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we will keep asking questions. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word", with lawrence o'donnell. >> the best investigators in the country to answer those questions right here in new york city. thank you, rachel. terrorism works only if it terrifies you. yes, terrorists do try to kill individuals, they try to kill people. but beyond that, they hope to fill everyone they don't kill with terror, and so when a politician also tries to fill you with terror, he's doing exactly, and i mean exactly, what the terrorists are hoping for. >> 48 hour reign of terror was brought to an end. >> now that we have this suspect in custody, the investigation can focus on other aspects. >> our counter terrorism and law enforcement professionals are working to the around the clock to prevent attacks and keep us safe. >> i think this is something
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that will maybe happen more and more across the country. >> you mean more terrorist strikes? >> yeah. we've been weak. our ccountry's been weak. >> i am prepared to take on those challenges, not engage in a lot of irresponsible reckless rhetoric. >> if you choose donald trump, she's problems are going to go away. >> he keeps saying he has a secret plan. the secret is he doesn't have a plan. >> everything we stand for is at stake. >> hate speech being normalized. the dog whistles are out in the open. >> tolerance is on the ballot! democracy is on the ballot! you want to give me a good sendoff? go vote! >> this is "the last word", on campaign 2016. >> the republican nominee sees every shot fired by a terrorist in the united states, every explosion to be a "i told you so" moment.
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it is the most childish reaction anyone could possibly have, including a child. we all know we're in this period in american history where these things are going to happen, as they did in england for several years during the guerilla group, the irish republican army's most recent wave of violence hear. no one knew how long london would be the target of ira bombings, but everyone in london, including the peaceful, law-abiding irish who lived there knew ha they had endured worse and would survive this. and they also knew under no circumstances should anyone ever say, i told you so after one of these events. people in england behaved like responsible adults in the face of ira terror attacks. they changed nothing about the way they lived their lives. and after the ira's bombing of
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the hotel in the west end in 1975 which killed two and injured 63, everyon including tourists knew that this could happen at any time. and they kept going about their business and fun every day in london. and while the hilton was temporarily closed for repairs, people booked rooms right beside it, and nobody had any idea how many years of this they were going to have to endure. there was no mass surrender to terrorists there, meaning there was no mass terror. the english, true to form, kept calm and carried on. keep calm and carry on was phrase england's ministry used when hitler was terrorizing london. terrorism works by terrorizing people.
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that is its definition. most americans, actually, are not terrified by terrorism in the united states, because most of us carry on the way the londoners did. but donald trump is terrified by terrorism. and most trump supporters seem to be terrified by terrorism. and in their terror, they do something new to americans. they attack their own government and their own officials in their reaction to terrorism. something democrats never did to george w. bush. even after the greatest terrorist acts in american history occurred on his watch. so donald trump had an unsurprising reaction to explosions in new jersey and new york. which hurt only 29 people, all
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of whom are at home recovering. >> i was criticized for calling it correctly. i should be a newscaster, because i called it before the news. but what i said was exactly correct. and everybody says, while he was right, he called it too soon, okay, give me a break. >> donald trump and his fox and friends laughing about it. >> that was hours before police caught up with the suspect and arrested him after he was shot and wounded. donald trump knows who to blame for all of this, for allowing the alleged suspect to enter the united states at age 7. he knows who to blame for allowing that 7-year-old boy in new jersey to become the latest citizen to turn terrorist, and of course it's all barack obama and hillary clinton's fault.
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>> now let me just tell you. she is not the right person to solve a problem that largely her and obama gave us. that obama gave us. it disqualifies her from being a credible presidential candidate in my opinion. if you choose donald trump, these problems are going to go away far, far greater than anybody would think. believe me. >> and here's what an adult response to both donald trump and the weekend events sounds like. >> well, it's like so much else he says, it's not grounded in fact.
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it's meant to make some kind of point. and the facts are pretty clear that, you know, we still have challenges. that's what i have been talking about throughout this campaign. i am prepared to, ready to actually take on those challenges, not engage in a lot of, you know, irresponsible, reckless rhetoric. >> joining us now, howard dean, former governor of vermont, former dnc chairman. also with us, charlie sikes, radio host from milwaukee and the editor in chief of "right wisconsin." howard dean, there was in hillary clinton the calm reaction to what happened this weekend. and there was in donald trump this, this highly predictable and of course always childish reaction. >> well, my first response is
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donald trump is an ignoramus and doesn't pay his taxes. why would you take him seriously about anything? second of all, i think what he's done is be incredibly insulting to the fbi and new york city police which have done a terrific job. this is amateur hour. these guys built bombs. most of them didn't go off, the ones that did go off went off in the wrong places. i think our guys have done a fantastic job suppressing terrorism since 9/11, so many years ago. and, you know, the truth is, except for these loner attacks from amateurs that are inspired by isis, we've done pretty well. and i think that's a tribute to law enforcement and security officials. i think he's dishonest, both in terms of we don't believe he's paid taxes and contributed to charity anything close to what he says he has. i think he's just completely unsuited to anything right, and i certainly wouldn't trust him to fight terrorism.
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>> let's listen to more of him this morning on "fox and friends " about how law enforcement isn't ready to deal with terrorism. >> it's a mess, and it's a shame. i think maybe we're going to be seeing a big change over the last couple days. i think this is something that maybe will get, will happen more and more over the country. >> what do you mean, more terrorist strikes? >> yeah, because we've been weak. our country's been weak. we're letting people in by the thousands and tens of thousands. i've been saying you've got to stop it. >> we now have a presidential candidate predicting more terror strikes, which, if he could take dictation from the terrorterrori that is precisely what they would ask him to say. >> well, i would caution against downplaying the threat or the legitimate concerns that a lot of americans have in the war on terror. so this is a real opportunity
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for donald trump, and having said that, he appears to want to wage war by words, instead of getting any sort of substance on, you know, we get more of the bombast, the rhetoric. they ask, what are we going to do? we have to be tough, well, how? really, really, really tough. i seems to confuse shooting from the hip with actual leadership. and i do think americans want to know, okay, are you, do you have a plan? do you have some idea how you're going to do this? and i understand a lot of his rhetoric is going to play to the base. but when you read through the transcripts of what he's talking about, his recklessness is exceeded only by his ig morance. he seems to be unaware of what law enforcement does in this country, and what a remarkable job they did over the last 24-48 hours. while he was taking the cheap shots, they got the work done. >> my point about him predicting more terror strikes, it's something we all pretty much know. it didn't end on 23rd street in
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manhattan. we don't know when this country's going to pass through this phase and when it's going to end. but what the president shouldn't be doing is predicting there is going to be more terror strikes. i obviously hasn't mastered the language of the position he seeks. >> yeah, i agree with charlie. i think law enforcement in this country and our intelligence apparatus has done very well. the debate we should be having, and it's going to be a very hard debate and serious people like hillary clinton will take this debate on. trump is not a serious person. one of the debates we have to have is how much more security do we have to have? and what does that mean for our civil liberties? there's a balance here. we are going to have to exert some intelligence capacity to find these folks before they set off bombs and cause trouble.
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we are -- and i think hillary's got the right idea here -- we are going to have to be careful about who gets guns. the san bernardino shooting was two people who never should have had guns in their possession. i don't think we need a big fight with the nra. we just need to do something about this that makes common sense. these are things that real leaders do. and trump is not a leader. >> let's listen to what trump said tonight explaining to bill o'reilly about why he is the guy to handle this stuff. and he says it's because he has the right temperament. >> the strongest thing is my temperament. they say let's go after him for temperament. it's my strongest thing according to the people who mow me best. i think maybe if i was going to say if -- >> there's a guy who's strongest thing is his temperament, and he can't decide whether he should say it himself or not, while he's saying it himself publicly. >> well, he is not unburdened
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with a lot of self-realization. he's radically unstable. and he's trigger-happy. so yeah, that is kind of an issue here, and you would think with 50 days to go before the election, understanding that he has to meet that threshold of americans trusting him to be the commander in chief, he would recognize that maybe he ought to match the rhetoric, you know, line up the rhetoric with the actual problem, but, again, you know, for him to be talking about his temperament is a little bit like us believing he saw the light on birtherism. >> speaking of that, let's take a look at the subject that the trump campaign was trying to change. and they got the ability to do that with this terrorist attack, to change the subject to terrorism. let's listen to what elizabeth warren said this weekend about what donald trump did and has done for years in terms of the president's birth certificate. >> donald trump has more support from arian nation and the ku klux klan than he does the
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leadership of the republican party. for years donald trump has led the charge on the birther movement. and only when his handlers tied him down and made him. did he finally admit that it wasn't true. what kind of a man does that? a man with a dark and ugly soul. a man who will never be president of the united states! >> howard dean, she kind of makes you wonder why she's not on the ticket. i'm not sure why anybody else hasn't presented it like that. >> people have made up their minds about donald trump. there are probably a few that haven't. at some point, we have to smart -- start talking on our side about the changes we're going to make in the country for the people that are supporting trump today.
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not all the people who are supporting him remember the arian nation or ku klux klan. i'd like that see, trump is hopeless, he's never going to have anything constructive to say about anything. we're going to win this election, but when we dowe have to reach out to those trump supporters who are sincerely concerned about the welfare of their children. we can have a better country. we'll never have a better donald trump, because he's a hate monger and a fool. but i want us, the democrats to reach out to those folks and to be careful and thoughtful about opportunities in the future for all of us, not just those who have benefitted from globalization. >> i hear comments like howard just made from democrats all the time. it's an interesting challenge when you have this big, monday trous story, were the birth
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certificate. and then in seconds tries to erase that whole story. how much should the democrats, how much should the clinton campaign wrestle with that and remind people and show them, look what donald trump has done for years about the president's birth certificate and this magic trick of making it go away. >> i'm not going to be in the business to give advice to democrats or hillary clinton. this is going to be a chaej for us as well. the challenge for of republicans is to wipe the stink off at some point. how did it get this far, to dissoeshlt ourselves from this kind of thing. to understand that this never should have gotten as far as it did, not just the conspiracy theory, but the dumbness of this.
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so i do think there's going to be a challenge when this is all over to step back and say how do we distance ourselves from that, and who needs to be held responsible for the fact that you have the republican presidential nominee for five years marketed and push what was a demonstrable falsehood. >> i look forward to that conversation on the other side of the election. a really good point. howard dean and charlie sykes, thank you. president obama responded to donald trump's attacks on his birth, his five-year campaign against president obama's citizenship this weekend, and he delivered an emotional speech in support of hillary clinton. that's coming up. we thought fibers that help you stay regular
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huge break through in american journalism this weekend. the "new york times" finally called a lie a lie, and they did it in a headline on the front page above the fold. trump gives up a lie but refuses to repent. no apology, after five years of nurturing birther issue to undermine obama. okay. calling a lie a lie at the "new york times" comes about a year late, but finally the "new york times" is calling a lie a lie, but there are now only 49 days to prevent the liar from becoming president. coming up, why the clinton campaign probably has an advantage in early voting.
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today we have caught this evil thug who planted the bomb. but the bad part, now we will give him amazing hospitalization. he will be taken care of by some of the best doctors in the world. he will be give and fully modern and updated hospital room. and he'll probably even have room service, knowing the way our country is. and on top of all of that, he will be represented by an outstanding lawyer. his case will go through the various court systems for years. and in the end, people will forget, and his punishment will not be what it once would have
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been. >> joining us now, malcolm nance. he's author of the book "defeating isis", -- msnbc contributor. he's stunned that a patient might not have room service, the actual meal gets brought to the person who can't leave the hospital bed. this is one of the amazing trump moments where he, he talks this baby talk to his audience about throwing away everything that's in the constitution when the word involved is terrorism. >> well, everything donald trump says is amazing in some izarre row world sort of way.
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but literally everything for the last year. let's talk about it in the perspective of law enforcement and hospitalization. he's going to get hospitalization because we put bullets through his leg in the process of a dangerous, high-risk warrant to arrest him, capture him. and then he engaged law enforcement officers, shooting one right in the body armor. that's how we got to the hospital. so if donald trump thinks that is some amazing process, you might want to take a look at the sacrifice of the law enforcement officer. >> on that point, it seems that the trump position would be leave him bleeding in the street until he dies. that is the alternative. that's it. it's the hospital or leave him in the street in new jersey, bleeding until he dies. however long that takes. >> you know, i can't speak to
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donald trump's level of sadism. but all i know is this. this is the united states of america. that was, even though he was a bad guy, and evil, and will get his day of justice, he is an american citizen. the constitution of the united states says people who are here within the jurisdiction of the united states are treated within the laws of the united states. whether that means he's going to be treated until he's brought to trial and given some form of justice. donald trump should really try to believe in the constitutionality of this country and the common decency of this country. that guy is never going to see the light of day, and he's not going to be in the general population of a prison, should federal prosecutors bring him to trial and send him to prison in a super max prison. he will be in prison with the others who don't speak to other human beings throughout their lives. so i'm not sure what he's complaining about. >> in trump world, the punishment is not going to be
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what it once would have been. in trump world, they may have no idea that tsarnaev got the death penalty for the bombs he set off there. let's listen to trump with bill o'reilly tonight talking about this. >> israel does it, and israel does it very successfully. >> they do it at the airport. >> they do it. they do it. and when they see somebody that they'd like to talk to, that they'd like to look at, that they'd like to maybe open up their satchel and take a look what's inside, they do it. they don't like to do it. i don't like to do it. >> do you have a vision of how profiling would work? >> it works. if we see somebody we think there could be a problem at airports and other places, you talk to them and you see what's going on. >> i think they do that now. >> we don't do that. >> malcolm nance, your reaction? >> well, first, this is a person who claims that the last book he read was my book "defeating
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isis", and if he had, he would understand that, you know, there is a world outside the united states, which has different policies, processes and procedures, because they don't have our constitution or our laws. the fourth amendment to the united states constitution says we are not allowed to make unlawful searches and seizures. trump appears to be an advocate of that. he possibly wants to be an advocate of building troops in your house, too. i've been to israel, spent a lot of time in israel. i've been profiled getting on an airplane in israel. i have been moved so i was within shooting range of the air marshal. the israelis trust no one, and it has not solved any of their terrorism problems. as a matter of fact, their problem right now is barely the palestinians in the west bank. their biggest problem is palestinian arab, citizens of
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israel of palestinian heritage picking up knives, going in the street and attacking israeli citizens and soldiers and being shot dead. it's a symptom of something else going on there, but they are profiled and intelligence collected against ex-tensively. what's really missing here is the honesty that we have in the united states that brings terrorists to justice and doesn't violate the civil liberties of american citizens. >> malcolm nance, thank you for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure. coming up, 50 national security experts demand to know about donald trump's international business dealings with dictators.
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on saturday night, president obama addressed the congressional black caucus foundation dinner in washington. the president delivered his most emotional appeal yet on behalf of hillary clinton. some are concerned that african-americans will not turn out at the same rate they did in 2008 and 2012. here's what president obama told the audience about why that matters. >> if i hear anybody saying their vote does not matter, then it doesn't matter who we elect. read up on your history. it matters! we've got to get people to vote! [ applause ] in fact, if you want to give michelle and me a good sendoff,
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and that was a beautiful video, but don't just watch us walk off into the sunset, now. get people registered to vote. if you care about our legacy, realize everything we stand for is at stake. all the progress we've made is at stake in this election. my name may not be on the ballot, but our progress is on the ballot. tolerance is on the ballot. democracy is on the ballot! justice is on the ballot! good schools are on the ballot! ends mass incarceration, that's on the ballot right now! and there is one candidate who will advance those, those things. and there is another candidate whose defining principle, the central theme of his candidacy is opposition to all that we've done.
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there's no such thing as a vote that doesn't matter. it all matters. and after we have achieved historic turnout in 2008 and 2012, especially in the african-american community,ly consider it a personal insult, an insult to my legacy if this community lets down its guard and fails to activate itself in this election. you want to give me a good sendoff? go vote! and i'm going to be working as hard as i can these next seven weeks to make sure folks do. coming up, we'll be joined by a reporter who has studied early voting in the battle ground states, and he thinks he sees an advantage for hillary clinton.
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>> i think a lot of people are not going to bother and go to the polls and vote for her. but i know that our people, and this is also in the polls, the highest level of enthusiasm that they've seen. we're going to vote. >> this is going to be close. we need everyone off the sidelines. not voting is not an option. that just plays in to trump's hands. it really does. >> bloomberg news has a new in depth report on early voting in the battle ground states indicating that hillary clinton may have an advantage in that early voting. joining us now for an exclusive interview, steve vaccino. >> early voting starts this week in minnesota, then we're off to the races, by election day -- >> ohio starts next week?
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>> iowa. >> and by election day, one third of the country would have voted. what we did. >> and early, by the way includes what people used to call absentee voting. >> it does. >> people who are doing it by mail. >> it does, it does. we've heard for months that donald trump has an inferior ground game. everybody talks about the ground game. this is going to be the first time, the most clear indication of the disparities of these two campaigns. you have hillary clinton who is building an infrastructure in all of these states. she has huge staff. donald trump is hiring a fraction of that staff, and he's leaning a lot on this web of state party infrastructure which have their responsibilities, too, helping down-ballot candidates get elected, dogcatcher, whatever. what you'll see is these two approaches. donald trump says he's a non-traditional candidate who
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doesn't need traditional means to be elected. early voting is where we will first see that play out. >> how does the ground game play out? we think of it being an election day thing of vans and getting people to polls. what to they do in early voting grounds? >> my colleague sasha and i divided it into five different sections, the base voters on both democratic and republican side, you know they will turn out. then campaign like get out to vote. g-o-t-v. when we talk about those people turning out for clinton, a lot of those are in the g-o-t-v. early voting is where that g-o tshs v gain happens. >> they're getting on the phone
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saying you now you can vote tomorrow. >> mailers. a lot of african-american churches, after servicing would get in the vans and go vote. this is where, we looked ating - when you look at the base, democrats have the huge get out to vote target list that they're trying to turn out. and they have, in iowa, six weeks to do it. that's why in iowa, democrats have been so much better at turning out early voters, and it's made the difference in those races. >> i just heard from a campaign volunteer who was in iowa last week. i heard from her the other day. i just learned more from you about what's happening than someone who was there. thank you very much. >> thanks a lot. coming up in the trump war room, new polls in the battle
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hillary clinton has struggles in states you'd expect her it to be doing well. but when you look at georgia, it's amazing to see the kinds of states in play. >> this is an unbelievable election, what's up is down and what's down is up. and i think the fact is that, you know, the path to victory for donald trump is still very tight. he has to win florida. if he doesn't, he's in real trouble. if she were to win georgia, i mean, that would be, like, whoa, we're off to the races, but, you know, it looks to me, now, and this is the way the campaign is playing it, i think. it's going to be very tight. they're going to play it as if they're behind on the clinton side. i think the trump folks would be smart to plan some of these states that they thought they were going to win in like georgia.
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we'll see where it goes in the next several week, but this is going to be a tight race. >> let's look at this new tv ad from the clinton campaign. >> we're going to triple the number of i.c.e. deportation offices. >> donald trump's plan? tear families apart. hillary clinton, she's made protecting children and families her life's work. as first lady, she helped extend health care to 8 million children. and now fighting for immigration reform that keeps families together. >> peter, i was talking just last night to an experienced democrat, used to work in the senate like i did, who's making the point i've heard from others, howard dean made it earlier tonight, it may be that hillary clinton's gotten all she can get in using trump. it's time for her to talk more
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as she was talking in the democratic primaries and what's going to happen with the clinton presidency, what's going to be new, what's going to be different in a clinton presidency. >> i think there's a lot to that. you saw in her speech today at temple university. she really talked about where she came from, who she is, what drives her, what makes her tick, and talks very specifically, now, about what she's going to do for millennials, and i think that one of the things that's going to happen here in these three debates is you're going to see a lot of spivgss out of hillary clinton and very little out of donald trump. but i will say this. look, you know, i've been doing this a long time, i would not take my foot off of donald trump's throat when he makes crazy statements, when he lies to the american people, when he says things that are clearly outrageous. you stay on him. but this has to be a contrast election, and in order to raise
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the stakes in this election, she has to be the candidate that they believe in, that they think is going to have real positive programs for the future, and he's the guy with the big mouth and with the crazy statements and the guy who talks change, change to what? i mean, when he comes, if he ever gets elected president, there are going to be a lot of people changing the channel. that's what's going to happen. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> coming up next, 50 national security experts demand to know more about donald trump's business dealings with dictators. and later, the one thing donald trump was right about, and i happen to agree with him on this one.
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as your president, i will defend our values and speak out against all of those who have stalled our values in any way, shape or form.
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>> but how will he defend our values when he's had business deals with other nations. if trump moves into the white house and his family continues to receive any benefit from the company during or after his presidency, almost every foreign policy decision he makes will raise serious conflicts of interest and ethical quagmires. today a bipartisan group of 50 national security experts, including michael chertoff and michael morel wrote a letter calling on donald trump to disclose who his business partners are and what and where are his foreign investments. our policies must be motivated exclusively by what's in america's best interest. joining us now, one who signed
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the letter and helped put it together. a national security adviser. so samantha, the demand is donald trump disclose. >> yes. >> how would we ever know if he disclosed everything? >> certainly, what we're really hoping for is for him to address some of the serious claims that were laid out in a comprehensive piece. start somewhere. at this point, there are so many questionable business dealings, both with business partners and foreign investments, and the reason ma michael decided to organize this letter was because there are so many questionable activities, and it's a fact that these questionable activities are impacting donald trump's policies. russia is a people in example of
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that. >> listen to what donald trump jr. said about that. >> a blind trust is not a blind trust if it's being run by his children. >> it is, because he said he'll have nothing to do with it. he wants to fix this country. he wants to get it on the right track. >> there will be a wall between his children and your father? >> he doesn't need the money. he doesn't need any of those things. what he wants to do is fix america. >> he will still know what the business is. >> we won't discuss that. it doesn't matter. trust me, as you know, it's a very full time job. >> it contains the magic words from a trump "trust me." >> we all have a good reason not to trust them. we've seen trump on the campaign trail embrace a kremlin wish
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list. he is embracing policies that putin would propagate. >> and even if you were working in the white house with him, you wouldn't know if that presidents what making decisions based on business interests or not, there wouldn't be anything telling. >> there wouldn't be, that's why we are hopeful donald trump will make these business relationships clear. and if he's elected president divest himself of overseas activities. >> but here's a person who won't release his tax returns. what you're asking him to do is voluntary. odds of him doing this are very remote. >> that's why we got about 65 national security experts from both sides to sign this letter, this is so americans go and vote
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with as much information as possible and so that policy isag national interests. >> if they're hiring national security people, for them to say, before i can work for you, i need to know that disclosure and what you're doing. >> national security policy should be based on national security interests and not based upon any business relationships or business activities. >> thank you very much. >> thank you so much for having me. coming up, the one thing, one thing, donald trump was right about.
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>> who can argue with that. he knew about it. turns out a federal prosecutor agrees with that, and that was in the prosecutor's statement today in the bridge gate case. and just think about all the pundits you heard talking about chris christie's possibilities of being on the national ticket. they all forgot that this trial was coming up, and the prosecutor was going to have to take a position on chris christie's involvement. the poli reactions to the attacks and talk with white house press secretary josh earnest. "the 11th hour with brian williams" is next. what we've now learned about the final moments of the manhunt, the final moments of the man captured and charged. we'll hear from the new jersey
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bar owner who spotted him and called police. 49 days to go until the election. both candidates now turning up the heat and turning back to the issue of national security. and president obama in new york tonight, just hours after the attacks. we'll be joined here by the white house press secretary to talk about the president's increasingly passionate role in this campaign. "the 11th hour" begins right now. good evening. in just 49 days, americans will elect the next president of the united states. and to that end, each evening we will be gathering here to talk about that day in the campaign right up until election day. that is unless and until campaign news gets mingled along with current events. well, that has happened tonight. it happened all weekend. over a period of 50 hours, in fact. and the reason, of course, was

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