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what you've done with the place. i'd love for you to come visit sometime. it's a big, complicated world out there, filled with all kinds of leaders. we have a stark choice in how we want the united states positioned in this big, bad world. now it's time for the last word with law rinrence o'donnell. >> less than 50 days to make that choice. well, donald trump gave a speech today in a town named for a slave owner, owned a big plantation in that town. and he somehow forgot that slavery ever existed. >> our identities do not have to be fined by putting someone else down. >> we have people coming into our country, we have no idea. they're coming in from the
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middle east. we have no idea who they are. >> today a make ringed by walls would only encircle itself. >> the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. >> opening a bag of trouble comparing refugees to skittles. >> had this is a pretty rotten apple. >> on friday, mr. trump made what he called a big announcement. >> president obama was born in the united states, period. >> that's a firm grasp on the obvious. >> you don't get to have racist rhetoric for five years and then decide when it's over? it's not over in a 30-second commerci commercial. >> i'm not sure the guy who holds fake press conferences has a fake foundation, fake hair and a fake tan should be the one in
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charge of deciding what's real. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. >> richard cohen has been a columnist with the washington post since jimmy carter's administration. he's seen it all. but what he's not seen is a major candidate for president who he would compare to hitler until now. the latest must-read column is entitled trump's hitlerian disregard for the truth. he doesn't think that donald trump is lying about president obama's birthplace. he thinks donald trump believes that president obama was not born in the united states. and that, in trump's mind, he was only lying when his campaign staff forced him to say that the president was born in the usa.
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the reason he did not apologize for having so long-insisted otherwise is that an apology would have crossed his personal red line, like a child, he had his fingers crossed. donald trump said something tonight about african-americans that is stupid and untrue and every child in every american school that observes martin luther king, junior day every year knows that this is untrue. >> african-american communities are absolutely in worst is shape that they've ever been in before, ever, ever, ever. you take a look at the inner cities. you get no education. you get no jobs. you get shot walking down the street. they're worse. i mean, honestly, places like afghanistan are safer than some of our inner cities. >> what do you think you just
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saw? what do you think all those white people sitting behind donald trump were just listening to? were you watching an exploitive politician who knows better, who doesn't believe what he's saying is true? or were you watching the most ignorant person in campaigns that is so ignorant of our own history that when he invents extemporaneous lies like that he believes what he's saying. which one of those were you watching? and which is worse? which is more loathe some, more dangerous, the sociopath who would say that, knowing it's not true, or the sociopath who would say that, believing it is true? richard cohen, who, as i said, has seen it all, including the presidential candidacy of a segregationalist, george wallace is worried, very worried.
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because germany was not some weird place when adolf hitler came to power. richard cohen sees the germany of that time as being not all that different from other countries. and he is worried, because, quote, in 1933, germany chose a sociopa sociopathic liar as its leader. if the polls are to be believed, we may do the same. we are now only 48 days away from possibly electing a president who thinks that african-americans were better off in slavery than they are today, who thinks that african-americans were better off when segregation was legal than today. who has no idea why we celebrate why we celebrate martin luther king jr. day, how i suffhe suff and risked his life and lost his
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life in fighting for the basic rights of african-americans. donald trump doesn't seem to know that african-americans were not better off when they didn't have the right to vote. that none of us were better off when african-americans didn't have the right to vote, because we lived in a country that tolerated and legalized egregious immorality. a country that normalized vicious immorality. segregation was legal when drum was drum -- donald trump was in school. people were leaving to join freedom riders for civil rights. he didn't join them, and apparently, he never even thought about them, even after some of them were murdered. because donald trump said
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tonight that things were much, much better then for african-americans, back when they wouldn't get shot walking down the street, as he claims they do now. donald trump forgets the thousands of lynchings african-americans suffered. he does not know that crime rates are down, that murder rates are down. they are lower han th ethan the the 1960s, 1970s or whenever things in donald trump's dream scape things were better for african-americans. or maybe he does know. maybe richard cohen is wrong and donald trump is not the same kind of liar that hitler was. maybe. but then we're still left with the question, which one is worse? joining us now, rich wilson, he is an adviser to the evan
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mcmullin independent presidential candidate. and also the host of "make it plain." mark, as soon as i heard what donald trump had to say, i said we got to geget t to get mark i. we don't know, they were silent during that part of it. we don't know how many of them believe that to be true, how many of them think it's a lie. i don't know what their reaction to it is. >> thanks for having me. your words were profound. he is truly ignorignorant. but he is historically consistent in his ignorance. we won't say who stole the sermon from whom.
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the period after reconstruction was known as reclamation. we got the right to vote. thousands of african-americans elected throughout the south in local positions, even in the house and senate, former slaves in the house and senate. the first congressional black caucus. what was the reaction of the white supremacists? it was to criminalize us, a book was written about it, "criminalizing the race", and we were run down and talked about. and the movie "birth of a nation" came out. dr. king talked about that on the steps of the montgomery capital, how white and black were divided purposely at that time. african-americans were fed the bible, whites were fed jim crow. what donald trump is doing is not showing concern at all by saying we're worse off than ever. the words he uses are very specific and very strategic.
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he's criminalizing us again. he's speaking to the alt-right. don't know how many alt-right people were in that audience, but the audience he's really talking to is the alt-right. african-americans are no worse off than we were during civil rights, we mow that. however, the new numbers came out. the economy has improved for everybody under president obama, including african-americans. we also know that we are living in an era of modern-day lynchings by the police. so what donald trump is doing is exploiting that atmosphere, criminalizing us, we have no good jobs, no education, violence, get shot every day, that is a way of criminalizing us while the police are shooting us down. someone concerned about us as hillary clinton said on the steve harvey show is going to talk about what happened to terence crutcher over the weekend, going to talk about some of the other things affecting us. anybody putting us down, putting us down as victims further is not our friend, and donald trump isn't our friend, and he keeps
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reciting this poem, the al wilson song, "the snake". he himself is the snake. >> absolutely. the arc of donald trump's idiocy is long, but bent toward infinite stupidity. this is a guy who, i would love to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he just didn't think it through. he's dumb as a sack of hair, but honest to god, with the guy, he's been so divisive, so determined to open up a racial chasm in this country in part because he's a guy backed in large measure by a group of white supremacists and neo-nazis and fraud meme idiots. he loves those people. they're what donald trump loves most. so i'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's just being done.
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n i have to see there's something darker about donald trump. when he makes statements like this, he's appealing, he's not appealing to african-americans. he's trying to sell anxious white voters who smell the racism coming off the guy and they loathe it, they're nervous about it, but he's a guy who can't acknowledge slavery. he can't acknowledge the klan's a bad group, david duke as an evil human being. he's hip-deep in this stuff, and it's really hard to give him a pass on it. >> rick, just so i can clarify here and put you down in the right column. on the richard cohen notion, the theory that donald trump actually believes his lies, are you in the "he believes the lies because he's so stupid", or he knows they're lies. >> i think he mows they'knows t lies. i don't give him a pass on race
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or any of these other games he plays, because they're too consistent over time. it's a feature. >> today president obama addressed the united nations. this is his last time as president to address the united nations. our next president will be the next u.s. president to do it. i don't suggest anyone imagine donald trump doing this while we watch president obama do it. that would be too painful an exercise, but let's watch what the president had to say today at the u.n. >> our manation began with a promise of freedom that applied only to the few. but because of our democratic constitution, because of our bill of rights, because of our ideals, ordinary people were able to organize and march and protest and ultimately those ideals won out. opened doors for women and
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minorities and workers in ways that made our economy more productive and turned our diversity into a strength. that gave innovators the chance to transform every area of human endeavor. that made it possible for someone like me to be elected president of the united states. >> mark, two major party candidates for president, one of them understands all of that. and one understands mottnot a se word of it. >> again, donald trump wants to do what those did during the turn of the century, he and his minions want to reverse the minion of the first african-american president, and listen, i'm hearing that people at the u.n., not far from here are horrified. can this man be president? they're looking at us, saying, are you all about to elect this crazy man?
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because he's a wildcard. nobody knows what he's going to do. it is a horrifying experience. >> i think mark's on target. there is a great deal of anxiety about the temperament you need as president. >> yeah. >> and no matter what you think about donald trump as a showman, performer or reality tv star, a pitchman, a guy who sells weird steaks and bad water, this is a guy who does not have the temperament to go and deal with the international problems and crises of this country. he proves it every day. >> thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, donald trump used other people's money and pretended it was his own for charitable contributions, and now, thanks to david
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fahrenthold, he used some of that money as payment in court cases, cases that he lost, and that is a clearly illegal use of charitable money. also, hillary clinton supporter tom styer will join us on a last word exclusive. he will make a major announcement right here about how he intends to help the clinton campaign in the battleground states. you're not taking these. hey, h, hey! you're not taking those. woah, woah! you're not taking that. come with me. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. mom, i'm taking the subaru. don't be late. even when we're not there to keep them safe, our subaru outback will be. (vo) lov it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. whfight back fastts,
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today, the most oblivious candidate in the history of presidential campaigns, the only one in history to be facing coast-to-coast fraud charges in courts while campaigning for president said this. >> it's called opm. i do that all the time. called other people's money. there's nothing like doing things with other people's money, because it takes the risk. opm. other people's money. >> he was talking about that absurdist piece of his foreign policy in which he will of course force other countries to pay for things that he wants them to do. that ridiculous donald trump
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fantasy that will never happen. unfortunately, using and abusing other people's money, unlike everything else he does is not a trump fantasy, it is a sad and at least one case illegal reality. david fahrenthold has another major break through report on the donald trump foundation that is filled with other people's money, including $500,000 donated by nbc during the run of donald trump's television show during which donald trump then pretended to be giving away his own money to charities. david fahrenthold reports that donald trump used $258,000 from his charitable foundation to settle two legal cases. remember, this is the same donald trump who says he never loses lawsuits, and he never settles lawsuits. in fact, he is frequently defeated in court and frequently settles. in one case he used $100,000 of other people's money, deposited into the trump foundation for charitable giving, used that to
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pay a settlement in a court case, and in the other one he used $158,000 to settle a court case. that is a clear violation of law. to use charitable funds in cases like this. this section ais exactly why thy general of new york said he is taking a very close look at the trump foundation. joining me now is an expert in charity and foundation law. and also the author of "trump nation ". and i want to go first to you, you've been studying this guy's operations for so long. your surprise level at discovering this latest twist in the story? >> zero. >> zero. >> okay. i think other people's money will probably be his epitaph. >> and give us the legal picture of what you see when you look at these transactions. >> well, as you said, i, i look at it
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law perspective. when people give, they get a deduction. and then typically, someone will start a private foundation because they want to be generous, and they want to use in that private foundation to accomplish charitable things in the world with their money. and they put in their money, then it becomes a charitable asset and used to accomplish charitable things in the world. what seems to be going on with the trump foundation is a little different. i haven't personally investigated his foundation or looked at the documekdockmentum. but he hasn't given to the foundation in years, and he's actually, instead raising money from other people, and when he gets to give it out, it comes as a gift from the trump foundation with his name on it. now that wouldn't be illegal, but when he uses the trump
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foundation money, these charitably charged assets for the benefit of the world or society or the public, however you want to put it, and he uses them to essentially pay off his debts, either his debts to charity or sometimes his settlements of lawsuitlawsuits, called a self-transaction. and it can result in heavy fines, and if it's a repeated, flagrant or ongoing thing, it can actually cost the private foundation its tax-exempt status. it would have to be terminated. >> and tim, this, obviously, the attorney general of new york is going to find this. it was delivered to him today in a newspaper article. >> that's correct. >> he's already looking at the trump foundation, but this is probably the smokiest gun in there so far. >> and remember, there's a real history of this. over ten years ago, his
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charitable giving was looked at and traced years of non-existent transactions, that he's a big supporter of vets. there's no evidence anywhere that he's been a benefactor of veterans. >> if we had his tax returns, we would know how much charitable giving he has done personally, because that would appear on his tax returns, but of course those numbers are missing in action. >> and the foundation shows no contributions from him. and when he did do charitable contributions in the past that we have any awareness of, they were to the foundation. rosemary, what do you expect the new york attorney general's reaction to be when he examines the facts that have been presented in the washington post
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article. >> the laws i was referencing were federal tax laws, that would be enforced by the irs using an audit. and the new york attorney general is charged with protecting charitable assetasse. it also seems likely that this is a diversion. they're being benefit to make his reputation make him look like he's more charitable than he really is, pay off his debts, et cetera. that is likely to be problematic for the new york attorney general. >> we now have a case of interest for the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, a possible irs case. and then also a state attorney general. >> yeah. on multiple fronts, and i think one of the things, i've seen trump's tax returns.
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>> and eby the way, trump wants to be the one to appoint the next prosecutor. >> and the entire department of justice should he be elected. >> i think he's also. >> one of the things that comes into play here is how abysmal his judgment is on the one hand and how willing he is to flout the law on the other. >> rose mary, a quick last word. >> i think he also would expect to control who's in charge of the irs, which, obviously, would affect -- >> he does appoint the director of the irs. rosemary, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> coming up, mike murphy will take a look at the the to victory in the electoral college, that's next in the war room.
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because after all... we should fit into your life. [ laughing ] not the other way around. [ clock ticking ] this is the last word on campaign 2016. time for tonight's campaign war room. hillary clinton's campaign manager is reassuring clinton supporters in a private memo obtained by nbc news. the memo says here's the story that no poll can tell. hillary clinton has many paths to 270 votes. hillary clinton is nearly certain to win 16 blue states. if we add the five states that 538.com, she only needs ten more electoral votes. the memo lays out how hillary
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clinton can pick up those ten electoral votes by winning florida, north carolina or ohio or by winning any two of colorado, iowa, new hampshire. donald trump on the other hand must win six of these seven states, including florida, north carolina and ohio. those aren't great odds for donald trump. with just 48 days left for the campaign. joining us is mike murphy, republican strategist and veteran of many campaign war rooms and the host of ta radio pod cast. >> i think the facts in the memo are basically correct. the democrats have a generic advantage in the electoral college, and if you look at the demography of the states and the internals of the polling, the clinton campaign is right to say they have an advantage and an easier path in the electoral
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college, that said, things are not going particularly well for hillary clinton. the generic forces behind her are loving to be stronger than her success as a candidate. that's something they've got to reverse. and this memo is kind of a function of nervousness in the democratic ranks, but the substance is basically correct. they do have that advantage. >> there's a new nbc news tracking poll which uses kind of a massive sample, and it shows nationally, likely voters, hillary clinton at 45, donald trump 40, gary johnson 10, jill stein 4. what does that tell us, mike? >> that's an interesting poll, because it has a massive sample size of about 13,000, but it's basically an internet poll. it's a brute force poll. i wouldn't bet my life on it. if you look at the average of the polls now, trump is still stuck in his demographic cul-de-sac of white guys like me, though i'm not a trump
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supporter. that's kept him in the low 40s, but he has ticked up, while hillary has dropped down from the middle to upper 40s down to about 45. i just caution everybody that all these public polls are a very good snapshot of what happened yesterday. maybe there's a tied race for president on september 23rd, but the full force of the decision people have to make comes after a lot more campaign, so it's still a fluid race, she still has the demographic advantages, but right now for the last two weeks she has not had a performance advantage. her campaign has not been in control of the dialog, and the debate coming up next week will be the first really big moment since the conventions, and it will have an impact. >> she does have a huge advantage in tv ad spending in the capacity to do tv ad spending. let's listen to donald trump's reaction to that. >> they're saying that our
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expenditures on advertising, our expenditures on people, our expenditures on everything are teeny fraction, and yet we're minimum tied and we might probably, actually be winning, spending a tiny fraction, now in the old days, and for the business people of which we have many, if you spend less, had pewpew -- fewer people, and in one state we did one 50th. they used to give you credit for that. >> your reaction to that? >> i think he may rue the day he said that. we all focus on these media polls every day. the horse race stuff, but while interesting, you're looking at which candidate has the more
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likely path to 47, 48, 49, depending on how the independent candidates do. so if you look at the polls between these candidates, they look like the independent voter. i think hillary clinton needs to make the advertising not just to make donald trump look unpopular but to make a better case for hillary clinton. >> should hillary clinton be trying to pull voters away from them? >> you know, it's interesting, it's very hypothetical now, because the third party voters are not famous enough to really be known by the electorate enough that you get a completely reliable test in a poll this early. there's a debate between pollsters, do you put them on the polling or not. if you were in the debates and you cooked the food a little more you could poll it better. that said, the data we have indicates that they take votes
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from both of them. so any third party that has favorable opinion of hillary, and there are some, she ought to get back. but the biggest problem is people are just regentijecting . i'm for neither of these candidates, frankly, but if she were to use the debate, she has to break through the character to tour of being this robotic candidate. we have to see if she can take advantage of it. >> thank you for joining us in our war room. >> thank you. coming up, a hillary clinton supporter has a major announcement to make right here on how he plans to help the clinton campaign in the battle ground states. ♪ music
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most of those are illegitimate but some are sadly true, like the united states of america's tendency to jump into unnecessary and unjust wars from vietnam to iraq, but there is another reason that predates those wars and predates the united nations. it is this country's treatment of indigenous people. the 500-year crime that we have committed against the people whose only crime was to be here thousands of years before us. and so, for native americans, it was 500 years too late, when in 2007, the united nations passed a resolution on the rights of indigenous peoples. it's said, indigenous peoples have the collective right to live in freedom, peace and security as distinct peoples and shall not be subjected to any act of genocide or any other act of violence. the vote on this resolution in the united nations was 144 in favor and four against.
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the united states of america was one of the four countries that shamed themselves by voting against the rights of indigenous peoples. in 2007, the united states of america voted the wrong way on genocide in the united nations. in a vote unnoticed by most of us here in the united states, but seen very clearly by every other country at the united nations. the bush administration's ambassador to the u.n. voted no that day. in what was sadly a morally consistent position for a country that had in fact committed genocide for hundreds of years, against its indigenous peoples, when president obama sent susan rice to the united nations as our next ambassador, she changed our vote. and so the united states joined the countries who got that genocide vote right the first
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time. today the chairman of the standing rock sioux tribe testified in geneva, switzerland, to the united nations human rights council on a hearing on indigenous people's rights. >> my name is dave arsham bow. our tribal nation is a sovereign nation located in the united states. our sovereignty is recognized by the united states as a legally binding treaties of 1851 and 1868, signed by our traditional government and passed by the united states senate and proclaimed by the president of the united states. i am here because oil companies are causing the deliberate destruction of our sacred places and burrials. they want to build a pipeline under the river that is our
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source of drinking water. this company has used attack dogs to harm individuals who try to protect our water and sacred sites. we call upon the human rights council and all member states to condemn the destruction of our sacred places and ensure that our sovereign rights are respected. >> the united nations declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples, which the united states of america now finally officially supports, recognizes the urgent need to respect and promote the inherent rights of indigenous people, especially their rights to their lands, territories and resources. people around the world know what we try to forget, that the united states of america has never respected words on a piece of paper, when those words are about native-american tribes, especially treaties with those tribes, which we violated almost as soon as we signed them.
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and now we'll find out how much the united states of america respects the words on that piece of paper that our u.n. ambassador finally voted for on the rights of indinlness peop s peoples. but this time, thanks to chairman dave arsham bow and the sioux tribe, the whole world is watching.
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again? how many tyimes do we have to se this in our country? in tulsa, an unarmed man with his hands in the air? i mean, this is just unbearable, and it needs to be intolerable. and, so, you know, maybe i can, by speaking directly to white people say look, this is not who we are, we've got to do everything possible to improve policing. to go right at implicit bias. there are good, honorable, cool-headed police officers. we've seen them in action in new york over the last, you know, 48 hours because of the terrorist attacks. we can do better. we have got to rein in what is absolutely inexplicable. and we've got to have law enforcement respect communities and communities respect law enforcement, because they have to work together. >> we're going to take another
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look at this from another view from street level. >> shots fired. >> tulsa police chief chuck jordan said officer betty shelby encountered mr. crutcher and his vehicle wheile en route to another call. and requested backup because he was not cooperating. officer shelby has been placed on administrative leave. the department of justice has opened an independent investigation, and we would know none of this tonight, and we are virtually certain that there would be a completely different police story about this if we did not have videotape telling us the story. donald trump surely knowing that his white supremacist supporters don't want to hear about this case has unsurprisingly said
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absolutely nothing about it. and up next, we're going to have an exclusive interview with a man who has a big plan for helping hillary clinton in the final stretch. my eyelove is season 1, episode 1. my eyelove is making a story come alive. eyelove is all the things we love to do with our eyes. but it's also having a chat with your eye doctor about dry eyes that interrupt the things you love. because if your eyes feel dry, ihy, gritty, or you have occasional blurry vision, it could be chronic dry eye. go to myeyelove.com and feel the love. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the longrown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine.
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now last word exclusive, a hillary clinton supporter is here with a major announcement. it comes as the wall street journal reports that billionaire donors are creating a new super pac to aim hillary clinton. it is uncleerp if they will run commercials directly promoting mr. trump. joining us now, tom styer, founder foun founder of next gen climate.
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are the billionaires final lly lining up for donald trump? they know a fraud when they see one. you have an announcement about what you're going to do. >> we haven't just gotten into this. the programs that we have been working on we've been working on for over a year. basically, two big programs, one of them is in conjunction with four national unions, where we're putting in, we've been working on that for this entire year, basically going door to door, trying to do 8 million door knocks, focussing onmill 2 million sporadic voters about the things they care about the most. racial justice and good schools, and that's a program in which we've put in $20 million. >> when you say "we", don't you mean you, tom styer out of one of those pockets?
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this "we" is just kind of a modest way of saying that? >> well, the program is $55 million. so the, my organization, which is not just me, but which is largely h lly me, is $20 millio. you can't do if sheldon aidleson wanted to do a field program knocking on doors, he couldn't decide to do it now, because you have to hire people, organize them, you have to work with existing organizations. it's an actual, you know, organizational task requiring a lot of work. so we're doing something completely different from what you've just described. because what you're talking about is shooting tv commercials and putting them on the air, and in this case, i think you're describing doing negative commercials where they're targeting secretary clinton. >> it's just going to be attack, attack, attack. >> we're doing something
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diametrically different. trying to engage voters on the issues they care about the most and show them in extended conversations with peers why what they care about matters, how their vote matters, and why they should participate. that is a very, very different and traditional american democratic process. >> and what you're doing sounds effectively like a turnout operation, because you're going to knock on doors. you're going door to door to engage directly with a voter. >> you are not going to change someone's opinion about their relationship with their government and their society in a 15-second tv ad. you may be able to destroy their opinion about an opponent, but you're certainly not going to engage them in the way that americans have engaged in the democratic process since the 1700s. and the other thing we're doing is we're going to be on well over 200 college campuses doin the exact same thing with
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millennials, to say care about climate, you already care about this. this is your number one issue. be aware about how important your vote is. that is a very, from our standpoint, it has to do with the broadest, most perfect american democracy that we love and respect. >> tom styer, very impressive. thank you pofor join being us. we'll be right back. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. he's a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. he's not a serious adult. i can't vote for donald trump given the things that he said. trump should not be supported. i believe he's disqualified himself to be president. i just cannot support donald trump.
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every great why needs a great how. president barak obama was born in the united states, period. >> no, not period. question mark [ bleep ] excla make point. here's the deal. here's deal. you don't get to flaunt this issue for five years and then act like you're correcting everybody else. we're not crazy. we there. we all saw you do it! even the people who support you saw you do it! it's why they support you! >> stephen colbert gets our last word tonight, msnbc's live coverage continues in the 11th hour with brian williams.
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brian williams has an interview with mike pence. the 11th hour with brian williams is live and it is next. vice president candidate mike pence. hillary clinton with an eye toward the polls and preparing for the first big debate now just five days away. "the 11th hour" begins now. good evening from our headquarters here in new york. 48 days until america chooses its next president, and with this campaign in its 11th hour, the polls tighter and tighter, team clinton has admitted they're looking to the state of north carolina as a firewall,

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