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thanks for joining us. i'm turning it over to andrea mitchell. >> thank you. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," flash point. violent protests erupting in charlotte after another deadly police shooting. now with an election on the line the latest tragedy is sparking new debate on race and policing. 24 hours after hillary clinton called it intolerable donald trump has now weighed in today on the shooting in tulsa, oklahoma. >> to me it looked like, you know, somebody that was doing what they were asking them to do. this young officer -- i don't know what she was thinking. i don't know what she was thinking. but i'm very, very troubled by that. now did she get scared? was she choking? what happened? maybe people that choke, people that do that, maybe they can't be doing what they are doing. okay? they can't be doing what they are doing. >> coming up here, civil rights
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leader congressman john lewis. chilling new details in the bombing's suspect own words describing the hate that led him to his actions. were crucial warning signs missed years before the attacks? >> in 2014 the newark office got information about the individual. interviews were conducted. at the end of the day there was nothing to indicate any nefarious activity or that this wij was a terrorist. >> and revealing the biggest obstacles for trump and clinton. it could have more to do with controversial comments like this one on the campaign trail. >> we are going to get the gulf states to pay for safe zones. i do it all the time in business. other people's money. there is nothing like doing things with other people's money. it takes the risk. you get a good chunk of it and
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it takes the risk. we'll do it from a humanitarian standpoint. opm. other people's money. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in new york. in charlotte overnight violent protests erupting after the latest deadly police shooting of an african-american man. police in riot gear used teargas. one officer was hit in the face with a rock. the incident sparking the protest happened tuesday when police encountered keith scott while serving a warrant on someone else. it is not known if there was a connection between scott and the man the police were seeking. police say an officer shot scott after he got out of the vehicle with a handgun. family members insist scott wasn't carrying a weapon. as he waited for a school bus to drop off his son. the officer who shot scott is
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also black and is on administrative leave pending investigation. this is the charlotte police chief's account of what happened. >> -- gave loud, clear verbal commands which were also heard by many of the witnesses. they were instructing the subject once he got out of the vehicle to drop the weapon. in spite of verbal commands mr. scott, as i said, exited his vehicle armed with a handgun as the officers continued to yell at him to drop it. i can tell you a weapon, a handgun. i can tell you we did not find a book that was made reference to. >> all of this is happening as conflicts between minority communities and police have become a central part of the campaign and donald trump's rhetoric. it is 48 days until the election. five days before the first debate. joining me is gabe gutierrez and
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t tremain in new york. >> reporter: good afternoon. this is the area where the event devolved into chaos. not far from here, the walmart where there was looting overnight as well. down the block is where the shooting happened. as you mentioned, there is a lot of dispute under way between the police account and what family members of mr. scott said late yesterday. his family believes he was in the car reading a book, waiting to pick you were a child and he was not armed. as you heard from the police chief, the police say a weapon was found and mr. scott repeatedly ignored commands to put down his weapon that he twice got out of the car and he posed an imminent threat according to the police chief. now in charlotte there is a lot of anger from local activists.
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we heard from a few of them. however at the news conference this morning we had been expecting to hear from family members not at the news conference. we have yet to hear from mr. scott's family today. we are trying to speak with more witnesses. witnesses at the scene yesterday, some claimed he didn't have a weapon. that conflicts with the police account at this point. another issue coming up is the facebook stream that a relative of mr. scott, a woman saying she was his daughter, that she put on facebook that really went viral on social media. the police chief saying this morning this story is not following -- that the story on social media is not how it played out. right now, big dispute between some members of the community here and the police account. >> this is another instance and we have a dispute in tulsa, oklahoma, as to what happened between the police officer who's been put on administrative leave on what happened 48 hours ago
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and hillary clinton is now pleading on both saying this has to stop. yet there is a real dispute of facts on the ground. >> certainly in tulsa where we have video from different vantage points that seem to show mr. crutcher was hands up before he was shot. breaking from the narrative we heard from donald trump he said perhaps his officer choked. how that plays out politically is one thing. the optics of this kind of divided country, this law and order candidate but it is almost redundant at this point. there is a tension below the surface. look at charld where there were 15 police involved shootings. in tulsa it appears so far this man had his hands up. despite what the police say that the man may have reached inside the window of the stalled suv in the street, the window was up adding fuel and concern on the street. again, another night of
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protests. another day we are trying to suss out fact from fiction. >> joining me now, congressman john lewis from georgia. this is a different issue not just in the country but in the election with 48 days to go and the debate monday night. hillary clinton speaking on the steve harvey program yesterday about tulsa. again, donald trump with don king speaking out and trying to have outreach in his terms at least to the african-american community today. what should we be doing, saying to americans in the middle of this disagreement? >> well, first of all, we must pray for the victims and pray for the family members. but the shooting of innocent people must stop. there has been too much
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violence, too much killing, more in training our police officers that need to be more community policing. i feel strongly that in many communities and neighborhoods, officers of the law and community leaders need to study the way of peace, the way of nonviolence. that's what we'll do in another period in america. police officers must not be so quick to engage in the use of a gun. for someone to be riding in a helicopter looking down at a road, a highway and saying that is a bad dude, that creates a climate and environment for the officers on the ground to assume that this person is a bad dude. >> what would be your advice to the candidates? i know you are a clinton
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supporter. but at this stage can we have a constructive conversation about race and law enforcement so close to election day when you have one candidate who is campaigning on a law & order platform. >> i think it is time, close to an election to have a deliberate system added discussion across america on race, on policing. we all live in the same country. sometime we have to come together and lay down this heavy burden. it's just creating bitterness, division and we cannot let that continue in a democratic society. >> donald trump with don king was speaking to pastors this morning, speaking about all of this. let me play some of it for you.
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>> i watched the shooting in particular in tulsa. that man was hands up. that man went to the car, hands up. put his hand on the car. to me it looked like he did everything he is supposed to do. he looked like a really good man. this young officer -- i don't know what she was thinking. i don't know what she was thinking. i'm very, very troubled by that. i'm very, very troubled by that. [ applause ] we have to be very careful. so, i mean, these things are terrible. in my opinion that was a terrible, terrible situation. the inner cities cannot get much worse. perhaps they can. but not much. i will fix it. >> he keeps saying that the
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inner cities aren't the worst stage they have been. that african-americans have the worse situation. do you think for african-americans is the situation as bad as donald trump is describing it? >> i don't know what mr. trump is talking about. to say that the situation for african-american is worse than ever is to talk about worse than slavery? worse than the system of segregation and racial discrimination when we couldn't take a seat at a lunch counter and be served? worse than being denied the right to register to vote, to participate in a democratic process? to live in certain neighborhoods and communities? we have seen changes. if he failed to believe that things have changed i invite him to come and walk in my shoes. >> congressman, at the congressional black caucus dinner the president
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passionately pleaded with people to do it for him to vote for hillary clinton for him that his legacy is on the line. that everything he achieved on the line it was one of the most extraordinary speeches i have watched. yet hillary clinton speaking before him was, to many of the participants, many of my colleagues there, noticeably flat. not connecting with the audience. if you agree with that, what's her problem inspiring the african-american voters who were so energized for barack obama? >> well, i agree with the president. african-americans and all americans must get out and vote like never before. i spent all day yesterday in pennsylvania in philadelphia. speaking to religious leaders, to ministers, rabbis. and i tell you, people will listen. they are going to turn out.
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they are going to vote. it is not hillary clinton's race to win alone. all of us must be involved in winning this election. >> congressman, at this stage do you think hillary clinton can persuade people in the minority communities that they have a stake in her winning? >> i actually believe hillary clinton can persuade members of the minority community. it doesn't matter whether they are african-american, latino, asian-american, native american, or white-american. we must come together and get out and vote like we never voted before. our future depends on it. i agree with the president. i hope -- everything is hanging on this election. >> congressman john lewis, thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you. >> coming up, breaking news on the investigation into the bombing suspect in new york and
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we have breaking news. new developments on the investigation into the terror blasts in new york and new jersey. the fbi has issued an alert for two men in connection to the chelsea bombing. the nypd is holding a press conference this hour. joining me is ayman mohyeldin in new jersey in the neighborhood. pete williams joins us from washington. bring us up to date on the complaint, whom they are looking for. >> let's talk about the two people in the poster. these are people often described as the two luckiest new yorkers. these two men, according to authorities walked up to the
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suitcase they claim ahmad rahami left on the street on 27th street on saturday night and thought, wow, that looks like a nice suitcase, opened it up, took out what was in it which happened to be a pressure cooker bomb, placed it on the sidewalk and took off with the suitcase. authorities don't believe the men knew it was a bomb. that they just wanted to steal the suitcase. the fbi wants to talk to the men and they want the suitcase back. they say it is important evidence. they are not suspected of being involved in the bombing. but they do want to talk to them. they are important witnesses. presumably their fingerprints were on the device as well as the fingerprint according to authorities of ahmad rahami. that's how the authorities got onto him. the criminal complaint last night says 12 of rahami's fingerprints were on the device. >> also in the complaint they
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rechbs his inspiration as osama bin laden. he'd been planning for months. what more have you learned from what they filed? >> they said he started acquiring materials in june. began ordering them online bit by bit. explosive materials. the materials that when combined would be explosive. also the ball bearings put inside the pressure cooker. that's right out of the al qaeda play book on instructions for how to build these demonic devices. in a notebook he was carrying authorities say he had praise for osama bin laden and anwar al-awlaki. the al qaeda propaganda. this goes back to the more familiar what we have seen in terror attacks in the past of people being inspired by al qaeda propaganda, andrea. >> ayman mohyeldin there in new jersey. there was a video -- a family
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video perhaps taken by his sister. do they think the family could have been knowledgeable about what he was doing? they have not found the laboratory where he built these bombs. >> that's a central part of the investigation. when you add up the pieces involved and the explosive devices used. the fact he moved into manhattan around 6:30 p.m. the night of the first bombing in new york and also subsequently in new jersey in elizabeth. there has to have been staging ground where he was storing explosives. he wasn't moving with all of them at the same time. police will want to figure out where exactly he made these bombs. where he stored them as we went from one location to the other. in addition you were talking about that video that was referenced in the indictment. they say in one video shot approximately two days before the bombing began, in the backyard of a home in elizabeth, they identified an individual, rahami, in essentially a
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cylinder of sorts lighting a fuse and creating some kind of explosion followed by laughter. they are trying to figure out who shot the video and did the person know at the time it was possibly a dry run for what was to come in the coming days. those are central parts of the question. we talked about rahami's wife. she's being questioned in the united arab emirates. the family for the current time being has not been arrested or charged with anything. >> we should point out that one of the police officers, the one hospitalized in new york was released to cheers of the awaiting community. one of the heroes in the case as well. thank you both very much. what a day, what a time in new york city. meanwhile, secretary of state john kerry demanding russia take responsibility for strikes against a u.n. convoy, an aid convoy in syria. coming up next, david milleband of the international rescue committee on the urgent and unprecedented humanitarian
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all together, hillary clinton's plan would bring in 620,000 refugees in her first term alone with no effective way to screen or vet them. her plan would cost $400 billion in terms of lifetime welfare and entitlement costs. this isn't just a matter of terrorism. but also a matter of quality of life. >> donald trump has been railing against hillary clinton's plan to bring in more refugees to the united states, a plan that president obama and john kerry have also endorsed. this in response to the terror attacks in new york city which came from a naturalized citizen, not a refugee.
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this as a boat capsized today. the president and ceo of the committee david milleband. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> there is a question between refugees, immigrants and terror suspects. they are naturalized citizens. there is an uninformed debate going on. it is, in fact, some would say demonizing refugees. to get to the ground. what happens to syrians trying to get to europe and the united states in some measure of safety. are they interviewed, extreme vetted? >> i'm glad to be here. we are a national humanitarian aid organization. we settle refugees in 29 cities across the u.s. the important point that i can
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bring to you is by the blessings of geography, america is able to choose which middle eastern refugees come here. the process takes 12 to 18 months. the first screenings take place from the united nations. then it is the cia, fbi, the full panoply of departments able to check the backgrounds and biometrics and interview them. that's why the american record is so strong. it is not just the founder of the organization who came to america as a refugee. it is the founders of google, the madeline albrights of the world. they become productive citizens because they are fleeing terror and know the value of freedom america offers. it is important to say that part of the job of organizations like international rescue committee is to put facts on the table so getting halfway around the world. >> the fact is most of the
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refugees are women and children. >> the number of single men historically in the u.s. has taken 15,000 refugees since the war began single digit percentages. single men. there is a simple reason. the people selected more resettlement are vulnerable people. the families, widows, orphans who have been through hell. we meet them at the airport and their stories are of horror. many have relatives still stuck with barrel bombs, isis threats, russian air raids. they want to build a new life. sadly, few are being given a refugee resettlement group whether in europe or america. that's em pouring the people smugglers making profit out of misery. >> there has been testimony by homeland officials and other officials that some people slip through and the visa program
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isn't administered as perfectly as some want. there would be mistakes on the way. >> the visa program is about student visa, tourist, visitor visa. refugee status is the hardest way to get in. it's always being updated. biometrics weren't here in 1908 when the law was put through. biometrics are here now so they can check. also when they arrive after a year they get a check to see if they are eligible for work. they get a further check after five years. you have robust systems in the country. many in europe want to copy them. >> there is an analogy made by donald trump, jr., to skittles. to this candy and whether or not you let refugees in and would you eat poisoned candy.
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what does that say to the rest of the world? >> it's polarized in a way that it hasn't been for a long time. >> we have seen it in europe as well. we have seen angry politics in france and germany. >> identity politics, the politics of post financial crash in equality is coming together. this isn't about language. it's the syrian refugee. the killer associated in a way that was so dangerous. >> in fact, that doesn't do justice to american history. after all refugees have come to this country to make it the country it is today. it is also my point. it is not just the right thing to do to resettle refugees. it is the smart thing to do.
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the last thing is to welcome people from all religions. >> thank you very much. up next, the washington post reporter who was covering all the stories about the trump foundation. this is "andrea mitchell reports." people say, let's just get a sandwich or something. you don't justradue frommedi, "or something"?
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a $1 million hole in one during a tournament and to veterans to settle the dispute over the height of a flag with palm beach florida town officials. david joins me now. you have been doing this reporting and uncovered this. explain to the viewers what self-dealing is and why self-dealing is not, according to tax law, an appropriate way to use a private foundation's money. >> sure. self-dealing rule says if you are the manager or president as trump is in this case of a charitable foundation, that you can't just take money out of the foundation, spend it on yourself. you can't buy things for yourself or do things to benefit the businesses. you have to use it for a disinterested charity. we are talking about cases worth more than a quarter million where trump has agreed -- at least businesses agreed to make a payment to charity. instead of businesses the trump foundation took on the
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responsibility and made payments for them, saving the businesses $250,000 plus. >> this is a private family foundation. very different from the clinton foundation and other major foundations. describe those differences so people understand what kind of charity the trump foundation is. >> sure. two basic kinds of charities. one is a private foundation. typically small. they don't employ anybody or employ a couple of people. it is a way for rich people to put their money in the pool and give it away in pieces to charities. trump has one. that's the trump foundation which was originally his money but no longer is. the clintons have one called the clinton family foundation. a bank account basically they put millions in and give away to other charities. the more famous clinton foundation is a public charity like the red cross or american cancer society. it employs people. more than 2,000 people. it has a big budget of $250 million plus a year. it does a lot of charity work
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and employs people. it is not surprising that the public would give money to the clinton foundation. it would have donors beyond just the clintons themselves. what's unusual is for a private foundation like trump's to have donors other than the guy whose name is on the foundation. >> he hasn't put his own money in for a long time. >> since 2008, right. >> i want to play a little bit of mike pence the running mate on the 11th hour with brian williams last night. brian was trying to pin him down on this fact based on your story. >> i think what we found is that there are a number of factual errors in the story as there were in previous stories about the trump foundation. >> do you know what the foreclose wall errors are that the campaign is alleging in the washington post story? >> well, i think the foundation will be able to lay those out. there were errors in the previous washington post stories. >> which they have yet to lay out for us -- the errors they are claiming. tell us about the portrait you
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have found. the $10,000 donald trump portrait you say was paid for out of the charity. >> the foundation manager or president can't use money to buy things for yourself or your businesses. in 2014 trump goes to a charity gala at his club in florida. one of the things he was doing is auctioning off art. the artist comes, painted a picture of trump. four feet tall. trump buys it in the auction for $10,000. that's fine. that's a fine thing to do except that trump gets the painting, pays for it -- not out of his pocket but out of the trump foundation. he paid $10,000 out of the charity. now the charity owns it and irs rules say the charity has to use the painting for something charitable, not hang it in one of trump's businesses. we didn't know for a while because the trump campaign wouldn't tell us where the painting had gone. it's important to know what use trump put it to. until last night.
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a guy who is an anchor for univision in miami booked a room, drove over last night to do ral. we had tips it might be at the golf resort. he went in, got a maintenance person to let him in the champions bar & grille and there is the $10,000 portrait. unless it is a soup kitchen or a charity, that's not a permissible use of something the charity bought. >> are there legal implications? is there a legal exposure? >> certainly. the irs could force him to pay back the money that the charity spent improperly, put tax penalties on trump or take away the nonprofit status of the trump foundation. >> we have yet to see his tax returns. that's another issue. thank you very much, david farenthold. extraordinary reporting. we look forward to your next piece in the saga. meanwhile, hillary clinton had a call with counter terrorism experts in the wake of the
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when you only have one shot, you need a whole lot of ingenuity. fbi never spoke to rahami himself. understanding that it is easy to have 20/20 hindsight, does that seem like an oversight now? >> well, given what happened it does. it seems like talking to him would have been helpful. perhaps checking in to his travel records more deeply would have helped as well. >> the deputy national security adviser under president george w. bush, now an nbc terror consultant speaking on the "today" show about the rahami investigation and what may have been missed. this as the bombing suspect faces terror charges. the luckiest two men in new york found the suitcase, handled it and didn't suffer injuries. joining me now the matt olsson
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of the national counter terrorism and hillary clinton supporter, adviser on the call with hillary clinton as she spoke in the aftermath of the attacks. first of all, what does she want to see done. our colleagues are reporting neither her nor donald trump's fan would have captured this man, caught this terror plot. >> right. one thing you have to start with in an attempted attack, this is really the new type of threat we face. individuals acting alone, some perhaps degree of training. crude weapons who had been inspired by the ideology of al qaeda or isis. we have seen the pattern over the last couple of years. this is the threat we face on an ongoing basis.
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to your point and your question reality is these are difficult to stop given the nature of these relatively small scale. lethal and dangerous, but a small scale type of attack. >> how does she address the issue? there is a debate coming in five days. donald trump is making a huge issue out of the refugee crisis. and the refugee plan and immigration. he was a naturalized citizen who came at 7 years old. how do you intercept it? >> it's not a refugee issue. there are things that these are parts of what we have heard from secretary clinton over the past year. one is to work with local police and law enforcement. nypd is the best in the world. across the country law enforcement are on the front lines of the fight. they need the training and
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resources to identify the signs of radicalization. that's one thing. a second thing is better intelligence. we need to make sure fbi and local law enforcement have surveillance, when appropriate inside the united states to stop attacks before they happen. the third and most important thing but also hard is to, over time, earn the trust of muslim americans. those communities that are often the target of isis and al qaeda radicalization so they are in a position to come forward when they see signs of someone going down this path and can alert law enforcement. that's something that will be critical going forward. >> matt, your article in time magazine entitled "why isis supports donald trump" has been quoted, cited by hillary clinton including on israeli television. want to give you a chance to explain what you meant. from our experts they have not found any instance of isis
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leadership. actually talking about donald trump. the supporters, yes, but not leadership. >> what we saw is isis individuals, former members of isis who have been interviewed. current isis use of social media on official isis channels. talking about the rhetoric from donald trump and talking about how it feeds into their message, their propaganda. that's not a surprise. this has been isis's playbook. that the united states is at war with islam. and that the united states is hostile to muslims. that's why isis put donald trump in at least two of the propaganda videos. and the reason this is so problematic is it really feeds into the message that isis is putting out. it tends to fuel radicalization in the country and also really alienates the communities in the united states as well as allies
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around the world who are part of the fight with us. look, muslims are, by a large margin, the real victims of isis and al qaeda. they need to be part of the fight with us, not alienated and isolated by this type of rhetoric. >> finally, i know we have little time left. are you comfortable with hillary clinton's support for the legislation that would permit 9/11 families to sue the saudi government which is opposed by the president, vetoed by the president. supported by senator schumer. passed unanimously by the house and senate. as a counter terror official, how do you feel about it? >> just a very difficult issue to understand the views of families who are victims of 9/11. the concern i have has been any relaxation of sovereign immunity laws can harm us and our representatives who play by the
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now our first look at the new nbc news "wall street journal" poll released this hour showing the political hurdles donald trump and hillary clinton have to over come in 48 days. nearly 70% of voters have concerns including major concerns about donald trump's language and comments on women, immigrants and muslims. for clinton it is issues that have been consistent political problems. 64% of voters concerned about her use of a private e-mail server while 62% are taking issue with her judgment in dealing with syria, iraq and libya. considered her strong points as secretary of state. joining me now chris cillizza
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and susan page. chris, this poll isn't good for either candidate. >> no. in some ways i don't think it's surprising. let's remind ourselves we are dealing with the two least popular presidential nominees in political history. what you see is a lot of people viewed two boxers in the center of the ring, neither able to knock the other one out politically speaking. leaning on one another. hillary clinton is in the better position thanks to demographics in the electoral map. candidates have not yet turned a corner with voters they have something to vote for. so much of what you are seeing now is voters running against the other. >> we'll unveil the rest of the national poll numbers at 5:00 on
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"meet the press" daily at 5:00. susan, we know hillary clinton has been inching up. she's recovered from other polling. still, everything is now on the line with this debate monday night. >> one interesting thing is what people cared about and didn't care about. just 8% said they were most concerned about hillary clinton's health. that's been a big issue but not a big concern to voters. when it comes to donald trump's tax returns -- >> i'm glad you brought it up. >> 6% say that's the most important issue for them. it gives a clear marching order headed into the debate on monday. donald trump need it is demeanor of a president and hillary clinton needs to convince americans that she's honest, trustworthy, deal with e-mail questions and that she has good judgment on foreign policy problems. >> he has successfully portrayed her as too hawkish and the
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complaints about his tax returns could reveal everything about the contributions and real income. they don't care. >> if you thought if you had an expectation you might see donald trump's tax returns barring a big change only 6% of people, it's their most important concern. if you are working trump world that would give you a sense of urgency. having to put them out so the vast majority is shrugging at it. >> exactly. susan and chris, we'll leave it there. at the first presidential debate live from hofstra university in new york leading up to the debate. lester holt is moderating. we'll be right back. mom, i have to tell you something.
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edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online on facebook and on twitter. hallie jackson is next. right here on msnbc. hi, hallie. >> hi, andrea. hi, everybody. here in toledo, ohio, along the river. just a few miles from where we are walking at any minute we expect donald trump with mike pence at toledo's stran man theater. donald trump making news already today at a campaign stop with pastors in cleveland talking about race and the recent shooting of an african-american man in tulsa. >> i don't know what she was thinking. did she get scared? was she choking? what happened? maybe people that choke, people that do it can't be doing what they are doing. they can't be doing what


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