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and post game coverage. we'll start with a preview half-hour. to wrak things up with debate analysis. and exclusively on twitter. look forward to that. john and i will see you tomorrow. "hardball" with chris matthews is next. >> america in blue and black. let's play "hardball." hillary clinton and donald trump addressed the cases of african-american shot by police. a man you with a shot on friday. he was seen with his hands up in police helicopter video taken moments before the shooting. yesterday in charlotte, keith lamont scott was shot by police who say he exited the car with a gun and ignored warnings to drop it. they said he posed an imminent
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deadly threat. it left 16 police officers injured. this afternoon they called it very upsetting. >> there is still much we don't know about what happened in both incidents. but we do know that we have two more names of a list to add to african-americans killed by police officers in these encounters. it is unbearable and it needs become intolerable. we also saw the targeting of police officers in philadelphia last week. and last night in charlotte, 12 officers were injured in demonstrations following keith lamont scott's death. i know i don't have all the answers. join who does. too many people have lost their lives who. >> donald trump focused on the
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shooting in tulsa which he said he was troubled by. >> i must tell you i watched the shooting in particular, in tulsa. that man was hands up. he went to the car hands up. put his hand on the car. i mean, to me it looked like he did everything you're supposed to do and he looked like a really good man, this young officer, i don't know what she was thinking, i don't know what she was thinking. but i'm very, very troubled by that. did she get scared? was she choking? what happened? maybe people like that, people choke, people that do that, maybe they can't be doing what they're doing. okay? they can't be doing what they're doing. so we all respect our police greatly. and they will just to have get better and better and better.
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>> donald trump was speaking at a predominantly black group. >> i talked about the lack of education, the bad schools and i talked about jobs. the jobs are so bad. and i said it three, four, five times. and then one day i said what do you have to lose? what do you have to lose? i'm going to fix it. what do you have to lose? and somehow that resonated. some people didn't like it. but i am, what difference does it make? what do you have to lose? >> trump was introduced by the boxing promoter don king. he called trump the only gladiator who will take on the system. he got some attention from the language he used. you watchful you decide. >> america needs donald trump. we need donald trump.
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especially black people. i told michael jackson, i said, if you're poor, you're a poor negro. i would use the "n" word. if you're rich, you are a rich negro. if you're dancing and sliding and [ bleep ], negro. you are dancing and sliding negro. so the you cannot a simulate. so you're going to be a negro until you die. >> joining me now, pastor darrell scott. a surrogate. he spoke at your chump this morning. give us a thought about what you thought about trump's performance today. generally he says you have nothing to lose. the use of the "n" word and all that by the fight promoter. what do you think? >> well, first of all, we had a
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tremendous time today. we had an outstanding turnout and mr. trump was very, very comfortable. he was able to unbridle and open his heart and share what, the pastors that were there. we asked him questions the supreme court and school choice and the religious liberties and freedom. i thought we had a great time. don king has been a friend of his for over 30 years, if i'm not mistaken, he new in. and allowed him to introduce him. and we know about don king is flamboyant, colorful, outspoken, he is boisterous. he was sharing a personal insight from a conversation with michael jackson. and i don't know if it was an accident or accidentally on purpose. but a certain adjective slipped
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out. i wasn't offended and the crowd wasn't offended and it seems as if it is something the media wants to harp upon. >> let me ask but the mood in your community and your congregation. where does it stand? what are you hearing out there in the pews? >> single for me this church time is god's time. i don't use the time god has given me his word to speak his word for politics. and i don't influence them one way or the other. i am for trump but i don't try to influence their politics. i tell them to make an educated decision and don't let others think for you. however, in the black community, trump's message is beginning to resonate more and more. there was a young delivery man who came to my house. he was a millennial. it was two of them sxex didn't
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know who i was. he didn't know i had any relationship with mr. trump. i asked him, who do you like for the election? his apply was, em, hey, man, there's something fishy about hillary. what do you mean? there's something fishy about hillary. it looks like she'll say anything to get a vote. what do you think about trump? at least trump keeps it real. i thought that was insightful. he is in his mid 20s. and black millennials are suspect as far as where hillary is concerned. he think they see trump as realistic. i call them incog-nitos. they don't want to clearance the back lash in the community. >> one of the trump comments today was that the black community, african-americans are
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worse off than they've ever been. is that a fair assessment of how things stand in 2016? >> he was saying some segments of the african-american community are. all african-americans aren't doing bad. everyone doesn't live in a depressed community. but there is a segment of the community and it is to that segment he is making that statement. when we talk about how bad things are for us right now. our graduation late is lower than 1963. it is hard to find gainful employment. we're having riots in the street. we're getting beat up by the police. these conditions haven't existed since the civil rights of the '60s. so for a lot of us, it is really bad. this is happening under an eight-year administration and we're saying hillary clinton will be an extension of these prior eight years. we're looking at four more years
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of the same. what do we have to lose? we're gambling with house money. give them a shot. see if they can improve it. if he can't improve it in four years, move him out. >> up we're getting killed by police. when you look at all these cases, they're all a little different. do you think it is trigger happy? some are african-american policemen themselves. is it more trigger happy? are they scared? did this go on before we had video time? do you think it has always been like this? it is on the news all the time now. what's going on? >> i think you asked and answered. some are trigger happy. some are scared. they're only trigger happy when it comes to blacks. some are afraid of blacks. and you're right. we are seeing it more and more when it comes to the advent of video cameras. my first experience with police, i got beat up by cops.
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do you know what's funny, even in that time. it was the early 70s. it was unusual because i had a lot of friends who got beat up by white police, too. i had friends in the '70s were killed by police. i had two friends that i went to high school with. very loud mouthed guys. criminals, yes, but they were arrested and they hung themselves in jail. we knew that they didn't hang themselves. so that was the norm in the black community even when i was growing up. the very real fear of getting beat up or killed by police. it was a reality then and now but it is getting caught on video time. >> your voice is powerful. thank you. pastor darrell scott. thank you. >> let'sably the michael steele and stephanie from emily's list. yesterday, hillary clinton talked about the need for improved policing in the wake of shootings of african-americans. let's listen to secretary clinton right now. >> we have to tackle systemic racism, this horrible shooting. this horrible shooting again.
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how many times could we have to see this in our country? we have to do everything possible to improve policing. there are good honorable, cool-headed police officers. we've seen them action in new york over the last 48 hours because of the terrorist attacks. we can do better. >> today, chris christie bhaftd secretary clinton for those very comments. let's listen. >> she is a disgrace. sth she is a disgrace. it is typical of hillary clinton. she knows nothing but the mouth never stops shelf has no experience in law enforcement except being interviewed by them. she has no back ground or experience on how to deal with these issues. it is just a disgraceful as someone who spent seven years in law enforcement, she is the kind of person that law enforcement
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loathes. she jumps to could nnclusions f political gain. >> the question you have to ask and to michael, what is secretary clinton talking about when she talks about implicit bias? what would that mean exactly? police officers are implicitly biased? is that the argument she's making now? >> well, chris, what i think you're hearing from secretary clinton is from americans across the country. there is really something we have to be addressing here. hillary has spent a lot of time with the mothers of the movement. and has heard so many their stories and traveled with them. there is a recognition that a conversation and then some changes need to be made. and she really wants to get to the heart of it. >> what is the immiss it bias? is it police officers and men and women in blue? or white people? i configure out what she was targeting there. >> well, i can't speak exactly
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to what she was targeting there either. but the entire piece, so many of our police officers do fabulous work every day. it is such a hard job. that being said, we are 10:00 to see things that we should not be seeing in this country. and we need to get to the bottom of it. we have lost too many men and women at the hands of police officers and we really need on get to top of this. it is time. way beyond time. it is decades beyond time. >> your thoughts on what hillary clinton. and governor christie said, back and forth. it is the political season. we know that donald trump is trying to win the support of moderate suburbs. we know hillary clinton would theek energy ties african-american community. i have no objection to what she's saying but continuing political realities at work and what they're thinking in materials of right and wrong. >> i think they were talking
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past each other. i think hillary clinton was talking about race, although she didn't want to say that material or put in it a racial context relevant to the police. it is chris christie was talking with the police, somehow speaking against the police. that is the very nature of our problem. this is very much about race. it is about policing and culture and about communication. if you step back and you listen to the video of the copter police officer in the helicopter, how he describes the gentleman in the car. it is not a person. it is a thing. there is this growing attitude or view within the black community that we're no longer perceived as human beings. when a cop comes up to us, approaches us, that they are reactionary. because they don't see us as someone as nonthreatening.
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they see us automatically as threat. that is not a perception for black people. that is a reality. >> was trump right today? >> and here we are -- >> was trump right discussing this? he said the person who had their hands up in the air. doing what the police officer directed him to do. >> and you still wind up dead. you do what they tell you to do with your hands up. you get shot. you're hand cuffed. you get shot. you're on the ground and they're standing on your neck. you get shot. or harmed. you're in the back of a police wagon. you wind up dead. so you tell me with a environment is safe for an african-american male when it comes in the context with police. i don't know if telling my kids, do the 10 and 2. turn the lights on on the car. roll the windows down. do everything the officer says, will come out on a good end or a negative end. that is the frustration that you
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hear and see now expressed more and more openly by black folks. you tell me what we need to do and go do that. >> stephanie, were not you impressed by what trump. today, i thought that may have been a suspect using that legal, that police material. that guy had his hands in the air. he was doing what he was ordered to do by the police officer and he still got shot and killed. was trump right in saying that? >> was trump right saying that? >> with regard to the video? it looked like something went very awry. it shouldn't have happened. >> was trump right in saying that? >> yes. i think so. for all of us, we're seeing so many videos. after listening to the pastor earlier that you interviewed,
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talking about growing up in the 1970s and all of us, me, this kid who grew up in a very safe middle class family in montana, now is seeing things that i never saw. and it is horrifying. and as i have seen hillary talk about it and the vast majority of americans are saying, enough. we have to come one some solutions here. this is really, really important. >> one last word quickly. >> i think we need to ten this away a little from the presidential candidates. this is something that mayors, governors, city councilmen and women and local police and community leaders to have deal with. are you just going to get the platitudes and the warm words and the concern at the federal level? we need to get our hands dirty
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on this issue and that only happens when you're on the ground. that's the bottom line. >> maybe we should urge our kids to become police officers. maybe we need better comes. it is a scary job in some cases and i thikd way trump handled it. when you do everything right and you still get killed, something is wrong. thank you for coming on. coming up this single, a special edition of "hardball" as we get ready for the first presidential debate. we'll be on sunday night at 8:00 eastern. the eve of the great first presidential debate between hillary clinton and donald trump. coming up next, just five days to go until the first debate between hillary clinton and donald trump. clinton's peel are putting out words that she is putting out multiple personalities. also, she is getting toward deal with what clinton's people call a variety of uncomfortable sunlts for secretary clinton. a lot of interesting things out of the back rooms as they may this psychological battle.
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with five days to go before the first debate, clinton people say that she's preparing for all different sides of trump's personality to show up monday night at hofstra university. the hill reports, the newspaper on the hill, in closed door sessions, the democratic nominee is prepping for the first presidential debate on monday against a few different people playing the role of trump. the role playing game different surrogates are for his, what they call, multiple personalities. one clinton confidante said. and cnn reported that she is preparing for trump to challenge her on different subjects. clinton has spent hours watching highlight reel of trump's republican primary debates according to several people familiar with her gate debate prep. she took notes on what bothered him and studied his style. on the steve harvey radio show yesterday, clinton said she man's on standing up to trump.
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>> i understand it's a contact sport but i'm not going to take what he says about everybody else. his attacks on african-americans and immigrants and muslims and women and people with disabilities. it is just something we cannot tolerate. >> reporter for usa today, clarence paige, opinion writer for the great "chicago tribune." back and forth, i'll ask the same question for both of you so take some time. should hillary clinton, heidi, get there and mix it up with trump? he reacts quickly. he is good on the stream of consciousness. things come to his mine. should she duke it out with him if he starts getting to be a smartal schneck. >> i think she has to. first of all, it is what her base is expecting. we've talked million times about
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the enthusiasm among democrats. they would like to see her go on the offensive. >> has anybody ever beat trump at his game? i'll thinking of little marco and sheepy head jeb and low energy jeb. >> if he can get you in that street corner doing a lot of trash talking, that seems to be his home. >> she can't do the trash talking. she has to go on the attack. we saw this, chris, if you look at her past debate performances. she didn't just stand by and not attack bernie sanders in the debate. and she came out successfully. she had these surgical strikes on issues like guns. especially when it is unclear how much actual fact checking and push back the moderators will be doing in this debate. i think hillary clinton has to be prepared to do that herself. of course this is a certain rick of attack too much and being overly aggressive and allowing
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trump to counter punch. if he starts name calling, i don't think that will play as well on this debate stage where the only other opponent is a woman than did it on this crowded, alpha male cage match stage that we saw during the republican primary. >> so charnls, i give guys' question to you. can you go back at her even though she's a woman candidate. the birther comments. how come your people were out pushing it first? how tough would you be whacking back if you were trump? >> i suspect we're going to see a softer donald trump, at least at the beginning. if he is wise, he will be pushing like a right wing fanatic. he swings best when we see the trump that reveal the chefr crafty businessman who built up a fortune with only a mere
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million dollars or so to start with. and was able to get to where he is where he has defied all predictions as far as being on the brink of possibly winning the white house. this is a time when he is best controlling his temper and saving his best verbal shots, his best trash talking for other moments. >> thank you. i'll ask you a tactical question. if you're hillary and you don't want to give trump an opening. you don't slam him, he'll come back and hurt them. i'll do a little rope-a-dope. people will realize, he is just punching me. he has nothing to say. protect yourself. put the arm up and say, go ahead. keep doing that. people will only see donald trump smashing away at me and
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after a while they'll go, this guy is a bully. she's talking positively and he's doing cheap shots. unless she attacks him, no one will root for trump coming back at her. >> i think she will have a keen sense and where she lets him self-destruct. >> that's what some are saying in the paper. >> i think when it come to policy, like her policy on iraq or syria. that she is going to have to come back and have a pretty strong answer. it is when he goes low, when he goes to the personal stuff. i do think to a certain extent, she might let him may it out. >> can you win this debate by not going low in can you go high and talk about the future of the country? a real hard felt love for your country is that what you think you need to do to get through problems. with a heart felt appeal be as impressive as pugilistics? >> it is interesting, you talk
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about the impression. this is a game of impressions really. these aren't debates for issue to issue. that would put people to sheep. that's hillary clinton's strenlts and donald trump's weakness. if the smarter person automatically won, we would have president gore, dukakis. the fact is this is something where people want to know, is this person, is he or her on my side? will they be out this fighting for me and my interests? so how well you come off as a people person will make a big difference. >> i think the true patriot. i think you'll say that person is my heart. we'll see. thank you. i surprised you with that, didn't i? up next, police shot and killed
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hands up, don't shoot. a short while ago, the family of mr. scott spoke and they basically. they respect the right of the protesters to be out here but they're asking, police, for a peaceful night. don't destroy any property and don't hurt anybody. we'll be out here tonight monitoring the situation. >> thank you. up next, the "hardball" round table. these goofy glasses. yeah. well, we gotta hand it to fedex. they've helped make our e-commerce so easy, and now we're getting all kinds of new customers. i know. can you believe we're getting orders from canada, ireland... this one's going to new zealand. new zealand? psst. ah, false alarm. hey! you guys are gonna scare away the deer! idiots... providing global access for small business. fedex.
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you may have heard hillary in this election say there is never been a worse time to be a black person. he missed that whole civics lesson about slavery and jim crow. >> he's pretty good at that.
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>> we saw trump double down in that approach again last night comparing the inner cities of this country to afghanistan and again saying that african-americans have never had it worse. let's look at how trump has spokesperson about african-americans, their communities and their lack of opportunity. >> you're living in poverty. your schools are no good. you have no jobs. 58% of your youth is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose? >> just like a total catastrophe. the unemployment rates, everything is bad. no health care, no education. >> no housing. no ownership. crimes at levels nobody has seen. you can go to war zones in countries we're fighting and it is safer than living in some of our inner cities. right now you walk down the street you get shot. our african-american communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they've ever been in
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before. ever, ever, ever. places like afghanistan are safer than some of our inner cities. >> he's not selling real estate, is he? it looks like trump's support among african-american is at 7% while clinton is at 81%. this comes that president obama will hit the campaign trail next month to attempt to motivate his coalition to turn out for clinton in november. he is the october surprise. i'm joined by the round table. it seem to me that there is a strange thing going on here. usually republicans sty african-americans, come on, it's working. keep your faithful keep the dream alive. what's this? >> i wonder when he started caring about what happens in the inner city many we know he's trying on appeal to white voters. >> why does that work with white
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voters? >> for them, the standard for apologies fortune racism is very, very low. a lot of people don't want to go into a voting booth thinking they're voting for a racist. >> of course. but it is like local news. if it leads, it bleeds. >> a lot of people's part about the african-american experience. if you look at what happened in the last several years, college degrees, gone up. high school education. gone up. all these things that he is lying about. >> let's be honest. we all their headlines coming out of chicago. their what do you think? >> the first time he made the argument was in front white audiences. that's important to keep in mine. >> explain. >> it was a completely white rally where he is talking -- >> why isn't trash talking life in the iner city?
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>> i think it is. >> to make suburban voters more comfortable. >> are not you glad you got out of those neighborhoods? >> one thing we saw, one black voter he's fired up is president obama. who is so angry. >> well, he is afraid that hillary might lose. >> eighth huge part of his to motivate voters. it is back firing in terms of how mad obama is. the recurring birther story line. he is now going to be throughout twice as much the candidate for the republican. the republican candidate for president. donald trump came out and took side of the victim of that police shooting in tulsa. he even. he looks like a good guy. we don't know that at all. totally on the guy's side and against the police. what is that about?
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some because he was in a black church at the time? >> donald trump will try on please whoever is in front of him. that's the exception to what donald trump has said. and also, it doesn't get at the heart of the issue. he is saying it looks like a good guy. the whole point is that you should not be pulled over and killed for speeding. there was the whole no angel controversy around michael brown. this whole notion that his entire argument to african-americans is predicated on the idea that they've been duped by the party. he will tell they will how terrible your life really is. vote for me. >> how do we know if this works? pluck it politically. how do we know if trump is making any head way with this argument that he cares? >> you have this new poll out today. and i don't see any evidence that it is working. the one thing that it maybe possibly could work, depressing
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the turnout for voters mock hillary clinton. you won't have barack obama on the ticket. she absolutely needs the african-american. >> that's one thing i care. about i just saw the african-american support for president obama. 95%. this disappointment come fired what? come fired what? the other black presidents we've had? i'm sorry. you hear from cornell west. don't argue with someone whose job depends on not being convinced. academically they have to take position. >> i would like to see the number from enthusiastic voters in 2000 and 2004. the enthusiasm for barack obama will not be equalled by hillary clinton. she has to try quit appealing to
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emotion. she won't win black voters over by emotion. she will tell them that she will be willing to be challenged by them. >> she's a chance to talk to every african-american monday night. television is powerful. it is democratic. lower case d. everybody has a tv set. everybody can watchful everybody has one. and they will watch. what should she say? >> first of all, black voters, there is older black voters and millennial black voters. and i think the hatter half is her problem. like the older black women are what won her the primary against brs. >> what does a 22-year-old want to hear from hillary in. >> i think they want to hear her say her husband's crime bill was wrong. that he was wrong to sign nafta. my husband was a great role
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model. how do you do it? how do you gain support from the african-american community by dumping on the one president that they really liked before barack came along? >> he has densed himself from certain parts of that crime bill shelf needs on distance herself from that. this was some controversy with her use of the term super voter. she has talked about -- >> you think i think you may be right. if she wants to energy ties black community, she has to do some pandering. change what she did. >> it is not pandering. it is a different time. i think you can't take -- >> has she. it? >> she's apologized, she has. >> i think if she, enstead, stops pandering and says, i'm going to adopt these, that will win over the millennial voters. that's what they're paying attention to. >> we'll look at these three.
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postgame analysis at 10:30. then on through night with my late night coverage. it is all coming monday night. and don't forget, we're on sunday night as well. for a special of some "hardball" as we get ready on the eve of debate night. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message.
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i know more about isis then the generals do. john mccain, a war hero. he's not a war hero, he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't capt donald trump compared his sacrifices to the sacrifices of two parents who lost their son in war. how would you answer that father? what sacrifice have you made for your country? i think i've made a lot of sacrifices, built great structures. i've had tremendous success, i think... those are sacrifices? safety doesn't come in a box. it's not a banner that goes on a wall. it's not something you do now and then. or when it's convenient. it's using state-of-the-art simulators to better prepare for any situation. it's giving offshore teams onshore support. and it's empowering anyone to stop a job
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if something doesn't seem right. at bp, safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. we're back with the roundtab roundtable. tell me something i don't know. >> it slipped through the radar that troy newman endorsed donald trump. he's a guy that called for the -- he's endorsed, i guess, the murder of abortion doctors and he's also said that the california drought was because of abortion. so we have yet to hear him disavow that endorsement. >> i see the connection.
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>> hillary clinton gave a speech today in orlando where she did not mex ntion donald trump s th going to drive him crazy? >> it's a new aim to be more positive. >> i think that could be her strategy monday night. just ignore the guy. a strange one. >> from our new "wall street journal"/nbc news poll t least popular figure, vladimir putin. number two, the media. we are only slightly less hated than -- >> let's get to that. because i refuse in my career to be a media critic. people who criticize the media are not what i want to be. so without getting more enemies than i have. i think the media is unpopular because half the country who are conservatives have heard half their country trash it. it's relentless. they blame the culture. >> exactly, you're blaming the messenger, you're not actually looking the fact and all fact regarding inconvenient obstacles
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rather than things we should be discussing. >> the media doesn't include talk radio, does it, which is vastly conservative, it doesn't include fox news, does it? when they say the media. i think movies tend to be liberal. i think they tend to be liberal. i think they're great, but they tend to have a liberal message, a positive message about equality and all that. >> when i get negative e-mails or twitter people yelling at me as the media, it's always they have this vaunted image of you've desecrated this sacred profession by whatever i've written. they seem to have this high bar of what it should be and that none of us are living up to that. >> anyway, your thoughts? >> yeah -- >> the media's a good word for people you don't like. >> exactly. it's like members of congress. everybody hates members of congress but they keep re-electing them. >> how come you never talk about this and you realize they
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learned it from your show. where did you learn about that? from newspapers. we're only here, we're only the media. thank you. when we return, my election diary with just five days to go left until the first presidential debate which could change all kinds of wind direction. you're watching "hardball." the place for politics. ♪ take on any road with intuitive all-wheel drive. the nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. now get 0% apr for 72 months, plus $500 bonus cash. trust number one doctor recommended dulcax constipated? use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard stools.
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big debate, is just five days off. and before we know it we'll all be sitting in front of our tv sets waiting for the big moment when we see lester holt introduce us to the two familiar people in the country. people who arouse attitudes in millions of people verging from mere toleration to contempt to worse. i forgot to mention, and this is vital, two people who possess the ability in two very different ways to thrill people with the prospect of him or her in the white house, her or him, to keep things balanced. here's a recommendation from the sidelines. i know the game of big time debating is all about sound bites, drawing your rival into a situation where you can let loose with a sledgehammer send are your rival skyward like reagan did after catching him in a nag. or lloyd bentsen to dan quayle, senator, you're no jack kennedy. it might give the mood of this
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country right now, be matched on which he or she thinks about the country today. its strengths, its weaknesses, their notion of what it's good at and how it can best advance into a better country. in other words, i think winning a debate is less important than winning the hearts and minds of a giant electorate. roosevelt did it by telling us we had nothing to fear but fear itself, that the worst, the stark early fears let loose by the great depression were really behind us. kennedy got to us by getting to that part of our souls that felt we were losing a step from the gung 40 spirit of world war ii. he said, we've got to get this country moving again. obama got us to simply hope. that also worked its purpose. so next monday night i think the smart presidential candidate will imagine themselves sitting out there on a couch at home and looking for someone to lead sbus a better future, not the captain of the zinger but the true leader of a country. in other words, get to who we are and what we really strive for. well, the smart candidate, if he or she is truly smart will get in touch with his or her heart
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which may be the smartest and best gps to the country's heart because politics, i'm convinced, is all about heart. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> we've got to do better. and i know we can. >> after two fatal police shootings of black men, race and policing again in the spotlight. >> this young officer -- i don't know what she was thinking. >> congressman keith ellison on that and how trump just tipped his hand on immigration. >> this isn't only a matter of terrorism but also a matter of quality of life. >> then david farentholdoins me with his bombshell new reporting. trump using charity money to buy self-portraits and more. >> there's nothing like doing things with other people's money. >> plus, clinton extends her lead natioe


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