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i'll be hosting the global citizen festival along with willie geist this saturday at 3:00 p.m. eastern time right here on msnbc. we hope you join for the music, but more for the message muof change this event provides. i'm sending it over to peter alexander up next. >> that's a heck of a lineup. we'll be watching. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," chaos in charlotte for a second night over the shooting of a black man turned violent. >> tear gas and the people are coming this way, so we're just moving back a little bit. hundreds of police officers out here in riot gear. i can't tell how many protesters are on the other side of the intersection, on the other side of the lines of police officers. city on edge. today with the national guard on
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the streets and charlotte under a state of emergency, city leaders face tough new questions about why keith lamont scott was killed, at the same time they're trying to ease the tension. >> the events we saw last night are not the charlotte i know i love. >> this is not charlotte. charlotte is a community where we work towards tolerance and understanding. >> and more call for calm as both presidential candidates condemn the recent police shootings. donald trump endorses stop and terrific and pushes for a spirit of unity. >> it just seems like there's a lack of spirit between the white and the black. it's a terrible thing we're witnessing. we have to have law and order. >> we need to do better and i know we can. too many people have lost their lives who shouldn't have.
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good day, i'm peter ail alexander in for my friend andrea mitchell. this morning the national guard arrived with the governor declaring a state of emergency after peaceful protests got out of control for a second night. one person was shot in what police say was protester-on-protester violence. tear gas was used, stores vandalized, dozens arrested. a downtown hotel was forced to go on lockdown. they began after the shooting this man, keith lamont scott. two very different versions of the shooting have now emerged. police say scott was armed, some eyewitnesss say he wasn't, he was simply holding a book. today a new photo of the scene obtained from an eyewitness by our charlotte affiliate apparently shows a gun on the ground.
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police dash cam and body cam videos investigated and the police chief honored the family's request to let the family see the video but for the moment it won't be released publicly. >> the video does not give me absolute definitive visual evidence that -- that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun. i did not see that in the videos i reviewed. so, what i can tell you is taken in the totality of all the other evidence, it supports what we've heard and the verse of the truth we gave about the circumstances that happened that led to the death of mr. scott. >> joining us live is msnbc's t tammie was in the middle of it
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and here in studio is trayman lee. the police chief was speaking about trying to walk that line between a full and fair investigation and the entire within that community for transparency. here's what he said specifically about this idea of releasing the video publicly now. >> i'm not going to jeopardize the investigation. right now, even though we're investigating, probably won't be long term because a request has also been made that an objective party, the fbi move forward in the investigation. >> trying to look forward in terms of the situation there. from what you're hearing on the ground, will that satisfy that answer -- that response satisfy a community that appears to be demanding answers right now? >> reporter: no peter, not at all. what this community really wants, this is after speaking with a lot of people last night, they want to see the video and decide for themselves whether justice will be served or not. that's the bottom line. and it's unclear at this point if and when the public and the
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media will ever see this video. police says he has a policy on not releasing shootings. he is going to honor the family's request at some point but it's unclear when we will see that video. that's really what people in this community want. they want what they call justice and they want to see the video for themselves. >> give us a sense of your evening last night. we were watching you throughout the course of the evening as this thing just erupted really rapidly. obviously, the fears given two nights ago, however how did what was intended as a peaceful demonstration so quickly evolve into chaos? >> reporter: it did start peaceful. just before 7:00 there was a vigil. some protesters marched to a church. we went over to the church. it was still peaceful. what i think happened is not all of the protesters could fit into the church. it was packed. at that point they separated into multiple groups. some of those protesters started heading downtown.
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very shortly after that is when we got word things were starting to escalate. we headed downtown. by the time we got there, things were not peaceful. things had already started escalating. buildings were being -- they were breaking out the windows of buildings, attacking police vans, kicking in the cars, they were throwing rocks, water bottles. that is when police lined up in riot gear. probably within 15 minutes after we arrived, that's when tear gas was set off for the first time. >> and in anticipation of what could be a tense night, what are the expectations and what's changed to try to keep it safe? >> you know, community leaders, the mayor, the police chief, they are saying, we're still open for business. we're bringing in the national guard just as a security measure. we're not worried anything is going to happen but we're bringing them in to protect businesses and property. they are saying they admitted --
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they didn't respond as quickly as they would have liked to last night. for the second time in two days, protesters stopped traffic on the interstate and motorists were afraid. the police chief himself said, if we can't get to you and something occurs again, stay in your car. >> i was reading the charlotte observer, they were speaking to amanda monroe who was at the protest before it turned ugly. he said, we want to show the world we're not dangerous. we want to show the world we're not thugs out here. obviously, these images devolve so badly and it's not the images the world is seeing that the community wanted. how do we stop this violence and create really action that creates change? >> i think part of the issue is in journalism we talk about the voiceless. we need to look at this in terms of are we deaf? do we hear the cries that happen
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every single day? when the glass starts breaking and fire starts burning, we listen. that's when we listen. in reality, these communities that bear the burden of so much violence, abstract violence of poverty, hunger, the day-to-day confrontations with authority and law enforcement. when it finally explodes and young people break windows to get our attention because bones are being broken, bullets are shattering bodies, that's the moment you have this reckoning. it's well beforehand in terms of -- >> this is the boiling point. it's the bubbling that's been for years existing in these communities that this population, these young african-american men and women really want us to be focusing on right now. >> that's the case. part of the issue is, and we've seen it play out over the last few days most recently here in charlotte, but when something happens, the mayor, the police chief will stand there and say, i'm glad the community is behind me. you'll see a bunch of old preachers, people with business
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interestses, the naacp, all these great organizations that do -- >> they don't affect them -- >> those young people don't listen to them. they're not in churches. many that stand behind public officials are not in the community day in and day out. that's not lost on those who express outrage. part of the problem s it works and doesn't work. on one hand, now we're spending all day talking about the broken windows when actually the investigation is going into the death of a man. >> how do we talk about issues that underlie all this? joining me now is the former state senator from north carolina, malcolm graham. mr. graham, thanks for being with us. you served in the state senate there for ten years, i think. i want to get your thoughts on what you witnessed in your home state last night. >> i also served charlotte city council for six years. it's a city i don't -- that never looked like this before. certainly those are the images across the nation that we don't want to share. it shows charlotte at its worse.
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we're a better city than we demonstrated last night. tonight we're calling for peace and calm and what we need to happen quickly is release the videotape so we can make sure we have transparency as well as accountability. releasing the tape helps the police officer, it helps the family and also helps the community as well. >> senator graham, have you been satisfied what you heard from the mayor and police chief in their handling of this? the police chief saying he's not going to release it right now, among other things, because this investigation may be handled by the fbi and he doesn't want to have any impact on that. >> i'm satisfied the way the police chief and mayor are handling the unrest in the community. they're calling for peace and safety and that needs to happen. i think what we need to do is make sure that there's some transparency and that the community has confidence that the police officer acted
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appropriately f he did or didn't. there's two versions of what happened. did he have a gun? did he have a book? it's not against the law in north carolina to have a gun. did he point it at the police officer. sn did he brandish the gun? that's the questions the community wants to have answe d answered. i think answering them would be by releasing the videotape to the community can make their own judgment on where can we go from here. >> your sister was killed during the 2015 charleston church shooting. you in the time since made it your mission, advocating to reduce gun violence. what more needs to be done to try to end gun violence or more specifically, police-involved shooting. >> there's two difference instances. i believe everyone that wants a gun can have a gun. we need common sense gun legislation throughout the country to ensure guns are not in the hands of individuals -- >> but in moments like last night, what do we -- how do we avoid situations like this between officers and
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individuals? >> it's a training matter. certainly, officers are armed. when we are in trouble, we call police officers for help. the question is whether he used deadly force when it wasn't necessary. the issue of gun violence is not really related to this incident. the question involved did the officers in charlotte or tulsa use deadly force when it was unnecessary against someone who was armed and unarmed. again in north carolina it's not against the law to carry a gun. so, we need more information about what happened to come to a conclusion. >> the former state senator from north carolina, malcolm graham joining us. thank you for your time. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. coming up, donald trump on the campaign trail within the last hour, weighing in on the violence in charlotte. >> more law enforcement, more community engagement, more
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many americans are watching the unrest in charlotte unfolding right before their eyes on the tv screens. others are witnessing the chaos and the violence firsthand. our country looks bad to the world. especially when we are supposed to be the world's leader. >> that was donald trump less than an hour ago addressing those violent clashes between police and protest ers in charlotte, north carolina. trump's comments came as he addressed a crowd at an energy conference in pittsburgh just four days ahead of the crucial first presidential debate.
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hillary clinton off the trail today, again preparing for that monday night face-off. nbc's jacob rascon is in pittsburgh where donald trump just stepped off the stage. kelly o'donnell here in studio with debate preparation and new reporting this morning. jacob, donald trump is touting himself as this strong leader. what was the tone of today's speech when words matter certainly following such a dramatic and awful scene in charlotte? >> reporter: you know, he was more careful in this speech. this was a scripted speech, reading off a teleprompter. we had a slightly different tone, for example, this morning when it was off the cut, he was just being interviewed and talking about stop and terrific. during this speech now he didn't mention stop and frisk. he said we need a nationwide anti-crime policy. we have the right to assemble and protest. we saw him being more careful
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with his words. there were a couple times he went off script, for example, when he talked about drugs coming into the country. he seemed to ad lib, he said, if you're not aware, drugs are a big part of what you're watching at night. this is while he was addressing what was going on in charlotte. i would say that he was more careful during the speech we just heard. >> kelly, i want to ask you on fox news donald trump was asked about how he would react if clinton goes after in monday night's debate. here's what he said. >> so, we'll stay cool. we'll see what happens with her and we'll see what's going on with her, because there's something going on that a lot of people are trying to figure out. we're just going to see what it is. i'm going to be very respectful of her. >> the expectation game this time around is so unlike any time before, right? it's so -- this is just so unlike any campaign season. >> off the charts. >> what are you hearing? what's the new reporting you're gathering in terms of what we should expect from hillary clinton in the next few days? >> i've been speaking to a number of senior officials and they're preparing for more than one donald trump to be there.
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their concern is there's never been a one-on-one donald trump debate. they don't have game film of that. the closest was the commander in chief forum, the same hour, y back-to-back, some of the same topics. they're trying to prepare for that. not necessarily to provoke him but for hillary clinton to be ready in case he is not on his facts. in case he says provocative things. she doesn't want to be a fact-checker but she's prepared to do that. i'm also told that a lot of reading has been going on. not full-scale dress rehearsals but she's doing that over the next couple of days with her smallest group of senior officials running through questions and scenarios. >> do they have real concerns -- obviously, this is a narrative we've spoken about in general -- that the bar has been set so low for donald trump, that clearing that bar of acceptability is not much of a challenge? how do they combat?
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to say she gets complicated questions they're trying to work it ahead of time to show questions to show parity and not sort of go soft on donald trump or be in a way letting him own that moment. we are working at the secret guests behind the scenes. >> who is strump behind those scenes? >> i have been banging down the doors. we do not want to give up, but they do acknowledge in the last couple of weeks -- >> we know it's not mark cuban. >> i am told a number of people stepped forward and offered their services. i have been making rounds through elected officials saying, no, it's not me and someone is playing the moderator. >> there will be a lot of donald
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trumps coming up for halloween. jacob, we know it was asked a town hall how he would stop violence in black communities and he effectively praised new york's old stop and frisk policy. >> one of the things i would do, i would do stop and frisk. we did it in new york and it worked incredibly well. you have to be proactive. you know, you really help people change their mind automatically. you understand. in my opinion i see what's going on here, i see what's going on in chicago. i think stop and frisk. >> jacob, this was an unusual outreach in an event intended to be reaching out to african-american community. what has the reaction been to donald trump wanting to revisit something that in 2013 new york justice here determined was unconstitutional? >> the reaction was swift. this morning he tried to clarify
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say he was only talking about chicago. he didn't mention stop and frisk just now. while he said it was incredibly successful, there are many others who have done studies who said it wasn't particularly successful in that it targeted in the lawsuit and the federal judge found this as well, it targeted minorities disproportionately and didn't find but a tiny percentage of what it wanted to find in terms of contraband and weapons. so, you heard him say that yesterday. i would add he talked about in a week and a half profiling, we have to do it. he used similar language when talking about the muslim proposed ban last december. he said he's open to the suggestion of keeping a database of people who are profiled. it wasn't all that surprising only in that maybe it was during an event he was trying to make inroads. >> with sean hannity on fox
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news. nice to see you, jacob, kelly, thank you. up next right here, was ahmad rahami working alone? new questions today after new information, additional fingerprints were found on one of the undetonated pressure cooker bombs. we're getting more details. we'll share those with you next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." for lower back pain sufferers, the search for relief often leads to this. introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy. a high intensity tens device that uses technology once only in doctors' offices. for deep penetrating relief at the source.
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hole to hometown of north carolina last night. i was moved by what you said. sausage, biscuits and tear gas is the way you headlined that article. give me a sense of where you were last night in charlotte, what you experienced, and really what the reaction was that you witnessed on the ground in the wake of a man being shot by police? >> yeah, so, peter, last night we started the night with a peaceful protest at a park here in charlotte home to gatherings and things of different sorts. we made our way throughout center city with protesters. between 8:30 and 9:00 when things got dicey uptown. that's when protesters engaged with police. we saw some pushing and shoving, police deployed tear gas. i was roughly 30 to 40 feet away from where the shooting happened. we heard the gunshot, folks scattered. then there was a big commotion, as you can imagine. >> what did you see taking
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place? >> it was hard to tell exactly what was happening because of the way the police and protesters were sort of all bunched up together. there was a big crowd. the police were wearing riot gear at one point and they were clumped up together in a bunch close to this hotel. we heard a couple of pops. one was the gunshot. at that point we heard people yelling and screaming and they carried a young man out and laid him on the sidewalk where he was bleeding from his head and neck area. and then eventually he was scooped up and put in an all-terrain vehicle and driven out of center city by the fire department. >> with a little time to reflect on what you experienced there, that's why you talked about -- i think you said the sausage sandwich and biscuits while you were sitting back and reviewing what you just witnessed in your city, how do you digest what just happened?
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>> it's tough. i've lived here for two-thirds of my life. it's my hometown. it's something we've never seen here. charlotte is a town that doesn't traditionally do these violent demonstrations. people are trying to get a grip on the new reality in charlotte this morning. i think we have to process this for months to come. >> adam rhew with "charlotte magazine," a powerful piece i'll tweet after the show is done. this is new information about one of the devices plant in new york city over the weekend by bombing suspect ahmad rahami. the pressure cooker bomb found on 27th street, which did not detonate, contains a number of unidentified fingerprints in addition to a dozen from rahami himself. i want to get right to our nbc justice correspondent pete williams, who's watching this from washington. pete, these additional fingerprints raising a lot of questions. what more are you learning? >> this explains in part one of the many reasons why the fbi is
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eager to find those two men who apparently took the pressure keeshg out of a suitcase that was left on the street. this is the poster the fbi put out wanting to talk to them. there's many reasons the fbi wants to talk to them. they're witnesses. they have important information to share. the investigators believe about where they found this thing and how. but the other thing is -- the other possibility is when they took it out of the suitcase, apparently not knowing what it was, they may have touched it, they may have put their fingerprints on it. so the fbi wants to talk to them, get their prints, be able to eliminate them from the possible universe of people who may have touched this. so, it raises a number of questions. this is surveillance video from elsewhere that shows them walking towards the direction where that suitcase was found. the fbi wants the suitcase back because it may have important evidence. did others help make these bombs? that's been a big question. if there are other fingerprints other than ahmad rahami's, the
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fbi wants to know who they are, eliminate these two men from the universe and see what's left? >> we learned rahami is more seriously -- or was more seriously injured in that shootout with police than at least we first understood. what more are you hearing about his condition now and ultimately, i guess, his willingness to cooperate with investigators? >> well, they don't know what his willingness to cooperate is. they have no way to know that right now because he's been so heavily sedated, intubated. we were told he was shot. you see he's conscious, so it's a little misleading. we were told he was shot in the arm, the shoulder and the leg, but it turns out, according to senior officials, that he was also wounded in the torso and that one of those wounds came very -- one of those gunshot rounds came near vital organs. he's in bad shape. they do expect him to survive. but for now, he's in no condition to talk. the idea that he's going to be
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brought soon for a federal court hearing, obviously that's not going to happen for several more days until he gets better. they can do his initial appearance in the hospital, as they've done in past cases, but he's in no condition to talk to anybody right now. >> his wife, we understand, just landed in the u.s. today. she's flying -- or flew overnight from, i think it was dubai, the uae, united arab emirates. what do we know about her and ultimately, what do investigators hope she can provide them? >> well, she had -- what we're told is she had planned to be gone this summer. she had planned to take their two children to pakistan, which is where the family's from. she left in june. i don't know exactly when in june. of course, then the fbi says that rahami began buying the parts for the bombs on june 20th, making the first orders online. but she's been gone all this time and had planned to come back on monday this week when the fbi found out about her travel plans, they arranged to stop her in dubai so she could be questioned quickly by experienced fbi interrogators.
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she told them, we're told, that she had no idea her husband was up to this, planning a bombing attack. she flew into the u.s. accompanied by a federal air marshal and they'll want to talk to her next. >> near record pace they found rahami and the investigation hasn't slowed with that new reporting. pete, thanks. breaking news from the white house. a staffer's personal e-mail hacked and those e-mails now posted online. the details just ahead here live next on "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own? or is it a lifetime of work that blazes the path to your passions? your personal success takes a financial partner who values it as much as you do. learn more at tiaa.org
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it's another thing when you work at the white house and when there's potentially sensitive information there. >> reporter: and why is a white house staffer using a gmail account for sensitive information is the first question? i should point out these documents have not been authenticated by nbc news. they were posted online by d.c. leaks, which is that organization which also posted a number of personal e-mails belonging to colin powell a week or so ago about hillary clinton and donald trump, very blunt messages he obviously did not expect to be made public. similarly this involves a staffer, an advanced associate. advanced means the people involved in planning the trips for the -- in this case, the first lady, the vice president. and he coordinates with the secret service and law enforcement. some of the images that appeared online are of what looks like the passport information page of the first lady and some clips from what we believe was a slide show, showing some of the
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preparation, some of the security arrangements for a trip bit vice president. again, we have not authenticated these images. what's also significant about this, of course, is that this organization, d.c. leaks is -- allegedly has some connection to russian intelligence. a law enforcement official told nbc news that. other analysts have made that connection. of course, the larger allegation here -- concern here is that there are suggestions the russians are trying to influence the american election by meddling in it. there have been indications they may have hacked into some state voter databases as well as the dnc's database just before the convention, when that whole brouhaha blew up. but the bottom line here, it's a security breach. it's an apparent security breach at the white house that we're trying to figure out whether or not -- how true this and how and how grave the situation will be. >> has the white house responded, commented in in way?
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i bet not. >> reporter: the briefing is coming up with josh. they say we're not going to comment on the personal e-mail of any individuals. they say all this information is not specific. it's vague as to what it is. and, for the record, the white house has confirmed that the white house has been hacked as far as two years ago, but they have never pointed to any specific actor like d.c. leaks or the russians. they say the fbi is investigating these matters. president obama has been asked on a number of occasions about this as well. he, interestingly, has said he's not going to make allegations against any group because he doesn't want to escalate a cyber war, like an arms race. he also pointed out the united states has the best capability offensively and defensively in this area. >> the white house may not want to comment but there's certainly going to be a lot of questions about this situation at that briefing and beyond. ron, nice to see you. thank you. more ahead here. coming up with just four days to go until that critical first presidential debate, our new nbc
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now's the time for a better moment of proof. ask your doctor about victoza®. back live. donald trump has mountains to climb if he hopes to win the support of african-american and latino voters, according to our new nbc news/wall street/telemundo poll show 78% of latino voters had a negative view of donald trump, and give 48% the edge in a hypothetical match-up. joining us now msnbc contributor and nbc news senior political editor mark murray. i think i got those titles mostly right. i was close. that counts for something. chris, let's talk about this.
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four days out until this first head-to-head debate. we talk about the numbers a lot. do they matter right now? i was reading as many as one in five americans, in effect, are still sort of undecided at this time compared to about 10% to 12% four years ago this time between obama and romney, which is hard to believe, let's be honest. >> two people who are well known and broadly not well liked. that's been the case since this general election got under way months ago. i do think the latino numbers matter for donald trump in that we know that the white vote will be less than it was in 2012. we're nearly certain, i should say, less than in 2008, far less than the 1980s. estimates that it could dip below 70%. trump's problem, if you can't win the white vote, if you can't expand beyond, that it's
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demographically very hard to win. if your numbers among hispanics as his are, that is an attempt to appeal to them. >> a new nbc news/"wall street journal," our poll, show this is hypothetical match-up, as we showed our audience, 71% of likely latino voters break for hillary clinton. i think it's 18, as you see there, for donald trump. is there anything that he can do in the course of a night like this that might help improve those numbers? >> apologize. i think that's what he has to start doing. and, look, what chris has said is absolutely right. in order for him to move into the white house, he has to win critical states that are increasingly where latino voters make the difference. we're talking about ohio, pennsylvania, north carolina, south carolina, arizona, nevada, florida. and unless he actually makes a pivot that apologizes and says, we are actually a party of differences and thought, he's going to have a really hard time. >> maria, how motivated is --
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i'm not washing spanish language tv day to day, i talk to those around the building on occasion, but how motivated is the latino/hispanic voter in this country to actually show up on election day? >> that's the complexity and how difficult it is to reach the latino electorate. the presumption is majority are watching spanish language tv. 44% -- >> i'm going to interrupt you very briefly. i want to take our audience to the justice department, attorney general loretta lynch addressing the swash in charlotte. >> the department of justice and fbi are currently monitoring that matter. for the second day in a row, protests in response to mr. scott's death took place in charlotte last night. for the second day in a row, those protests were marred by violence. this time lead leaving one person on life support and several others injured. a reminder that violence only begets violence. the details of what happened
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last night is still under review by local authorities. today the department of justice is sending four members of our community relations service to charlotte. our office of community-oriented policing services has also offered technical assistance and support for crowd mediation to local police, and a local fbi office stands ready to assist local law enforcement as well. let me also speak to the people of the state of north carolina. a beautiful state, a great state and my home state. i know that these are difficult times, and i know that the events of recent days are painfully unclear and they call out for answers. but i also know that the answer will not be found in the violence of recent days. let us seek a peaceful way forward. most of the demonstrators gathered last night were exercising their constitutional and protected right to peaceful protest in order to raise issues and to create change. we need your voice.
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we need your passion. we need your commitment. but i urge those responsible for bringing violence to these demonstrations to stop. because you're drowning out the voices of commitment and change and you're ushering in more tragedy and grief in our communities. the tragic events in charlotte and in tulsa, oklahoma, earlier this week have once again underscored the division that exists between law enforcement officers and the communities we serve, particularly communities of color. one of my top priorities as attorney general has been to do everything in my power to help heal those divides and the department of justice will continue working tirelessly to protect the rights of all americans to give law enforcement the resources they need to do their jobs safely and fairly, to open dialogue, to promote reconciliation and to reduce violence of all kind in this country. but as we've seen in recent months, despite these efforts and despite the efforts of many others across the country, we
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have come together with thoughts and prayers far too many times for a victim of violence. civilians and law enforcement officers alike. and too many times we've allowed ourselves to be pulled down the easy path of blame and accusation rather than the harder path of empathy and understanding. lotus choose that path. let us work together, to ensure that all americans have both a voice and value in this great country of ours. let me reaffirm my full commitment and the full commitment of the department of justice to advancing that effort. and to those who are exercising that most fundamental of our freedoms, we hear your voices and we feel your pain. to all the law enforcement officers who continue to risk their lives day in and day out, to keep us safe and to protect those essential freedoms, i e extend my deepest thanks and
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support. i encourage all americans to ask themselves what they can do to contribute to the more peaceful, the more perfect and more just union that is our shared heritage, that is our mutual responsibility and that is our common goal. thank you. moving on to the announcement of this afternoon. >> the attorney general of the united states. you've been listening to the attorney general of the united states, loretta lynch, who indicated she's from the state of north carolina, speaking in personal terms about the violence we've witnessed over the course of the last several days, acknowledging that the situation remains an active investigation under review right now by local law enforcement but offering resources including four individuals from the department of justice to try and help in the situation there and to try with crowd mediation, crowd control, to help with any potential violence in the days and evenings ahead, and calling for peace moving forward. emanuel cleaver is a member of the congressional black caucus.
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he's outside the justice department right now where the congressional black caucus is gathering for what i believe will be a protest march shortly. congressman, give me a sense, your immediate goal and just your reaction to the words you just heard from the attorney general? >> well, yesterday at our weekly congressional black caucus luncheon, members were frustrated and they were getting calls from home, saying, you know, you guys have told us all these years to raise our hands, say, yes, sir, so forth, but that doesn't work anymore and they're killing us. everybody is concerned. we decided we would deliver a letter to the attorney general and ask general lynch if she would move with federal authority to look into these matters. we are concerned that in some of these instances we're going to need special prosecutors. we may try to get that into law,
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if we can ever get together on criminal justice reform. so, we marched here. we are now -- members are now talking to the press. maxine waters is -- >> we're watching. >> j.k. butterfield just finished. and people are demanding a lot of things. >> congressman -- >> one of the things, you know, we keep hearing is about body cameras. it is little known, i'm not sure why it has never gotten the exposure, but congressman al green and i went to former speaker john boehner two years ago and said, mr. speaker, we need to get body cameras. he said, i support body cameras. we were able to get a house resolution to pass. the house went on record supporting body cameras. he sent us to speak to the chair of the judiciary committee, mr. bob goodlett, we were able to get $22 million for body
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cameras. and it's in the budget. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. i want to get a sense -- so much of the urgency, given what's happened in recent days, now relates directly to the conversation that's taking place on the campaign trail. just this morning donald trump, you likely heard, offered some more details on his view of the tension between police and african-americans in this country. here's part of what he said. i want to get your reaction on the other side. >> the people who will suffer the most as a result of these riots are law-abiding african-american residents who live in these communities where the crime is so rampant. it's their houses, schools, economic conditions that will suffer. and the first duty of government is to protect their well-being and safety. >> congressman, in effect, what donald trump says is that this law enforcement -- this law and order effort is really to help protect african-americans in the inner cities and throughout this country. is that a satisfying message and one you're confident in?
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>> well, i'm glad mr. trump made the comments he made today. i don't know if that will cancel out the fact that he has openly doing this campaign supported stop and frisk which has been debunked as ineffective all over the country. secondly, you know, the other part of it is that, you know, he supported -- he asked for the death penalty on five african-american men who ended up not guilty of what was called the central park rape. >> of course. >> so, i hope that can -- that his interest and concern will continue. there's no question that -- look, you know, the only way we're going to solve this problem is not if african-americans protest and demand some action, but, unfortunately, it's not going to happen until majority of -- >> political action has to --
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>> -- begin to speak out -- >> congressman, i hate to keep interrupting you. we wish you best of luck in your protest. i want to get to mark murray who's on set with me. the new numbers you came out with today shows there's a huge advantage for hillary clinton among african-americans, even as trump insists, hey, i'm growing with this population. our numbers show not true. >> exactly. our numbers have hillary clinton winning 81% of the african-american vote to donald trump's 7%. normally democrats in our polling shows she's higher at that 90% figure. it's difficult to put into purely political terms, peter, and very crassly so to look at what's happening in charlotte and put it in a political prism because we know the presidential campaign is different from a lot of the protests happening but it's worth noting north carolina is a presidential battleground state. for hillary clinton to win there, she needs to not only speak to the african-american
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community, but also mobilize them. so, what is playing out, and it's -- you know, you can make the argument that this doesn't carry on for another week or so, that we're on to another story line, but i do think this should have some alarm bells in brooklyn, clinton's campaign headquarters, about being able to win over these folks in november. >> we have a lot to wash for, obviously, the perception of these candidates very different. hillary clinton viewed as less honest and straightforward, however she's viewed as more experienced and she has the temperament. we sort of kals calcy fied our position. i think what had will happen on monday night on that stage. thanks to our team. we hope you'll tune into msnbc's all-day coverage of the first presidential debate life from hofstra in new york. lester holt is moderating the whole thing. it's happening at 9:00 eastern. we'll be right back.
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that's going to do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." hallie jackson is back from the critical state of pennsylvania. have a great show. >> hi, everybody. i'm hallie jackson live in philly, pa. we'll have more on the fight for the keystone state, key to 2016. we begin this hour with a different city in turmoil. within the last 90 minutes, charlotte police now saying there will not be a curfew there, even after a night of violence, even though it's a state of emergency. police also confirming they will not release the tape of that deadly police shooting of keith lamont scott. >> the video does not give me absolute definitive visual evidence that -- that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun. i did not see that in the videos that i reviewed.

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