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mont scott. >> i know the expectation that video footage can be the panacea. i can tell you that's not the case. there are other factors to support and corroborate even what you might visually see. >> black lives matter and the first black president barack obama at the new museum of african-american history. and the spate of violent clashes. >> it's important to separate out the pervasive sense of frustration among a lot of african-americans about shootings of people and the sense that justice is not always color blind. looting, breaking glass, those things are not going to advance the cause. >> and countdown to showdown. three days to go to the first presidential debate. the candidates are off the trail as the polls show a shift. what can we expect on monday? >> where is hillary today?
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they say she's been practicing for the debate. some people think she's slipping. >> have you thought about what you will be wearing? >> there is a thing called the double standard. i think about what should the first woman nominee of one of the two major nominees wear to the debate. i have no idea. if you have suggestions i'm open to them. >> do you wonder what your opponent may be wearing? >> i assume he'll wear, you know, that red power tie. >> good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. we begin in charlotte. the police and mayor have finished a press conference, still refusing to release video of the confrontation. >> there are a lot of other factors that have to support and corroborate even what you might visually see. but the process is painstakingly slow sometimes.
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i ask for your continued patience as the state bureau of investigations conducts their thorough investigation. >> the police chief also announcing that officers arrested a suspect in the deadly shooting of a protester wednesday night. this after a third night of mostly peaceful protests. ron mott is in charlotte as is msnbc's tremain lee joining us by phone from the city. ron, first to you. let's talk about last night. peaceful protest, a lot of confusion over the curfew which was announced late and was not observed by either side. what do you foresee happening now in charlotte as the city tries to regain its equilibrium. >> they are trying to get back on their feet in what people say is a peaceful city by and large. night before last all of the glass in the uptown area of businesses were broken out. there were scuffles, almost four dozen arrests. last night a much different
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scene. large crowd of people. very passionate and spirited. very peaceful for the most part. there were three arrests. then you talk about the curfew. it came very late. we walked with the group for several hours meandering through uptown. word started to filter out at 9:00 there there would be a curfew at 12:00. officials said they did it fairly late because they got information that there was a group of people from south carolina apparently planning to come up here and officials were concerned about whether the folks would bring violence with them. that's why they decided at that late hour to put in the curfew. it was largely unobserved by folks who remain on the streets. the police were very cautious about how they approached and trying to get people to eventually disperse. they finally got the streets cleared around 2:00. a little bit before 2:00 before most people had gone on their way. we anticipate another night of demonstrations. we all hope they will continue to be peaceful.
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>> the family lawyer justin bamburg told gabe gutierrez last night what he saw in the disputed video. let's play that. >> it seems like he's a tad confused. i don't know if he's getting yelled at from too many directions. his hands are down. there does appear to be an object in his hand but you can't make out what it is. at the moment he's shot he's actually stepping backwards. >> reporter: did he have a gun? >> as far as i know, i don't know. >> tremain lee in charlotte, you have almost a tale of two mayors, the contrast between charlotte and tulsa where they moved quickly, charges against the officer in charge. here the refusal to release the video, is that increasing tensions? >> last night a number of protesters made their voices loud and clear chanting "we want the tape, we want the tape." as we have seen here in
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charlotte and other cities that experienced these killings in the gap when the communication isn't effective between the police and community, in that space you have tension. the rumor mill starts circulating. you foment increased anger which turns into outrage. in this case where there seems to be, as the mayor said ambiguity in terms of what happened the family maintains he had a wook in his hand. the police say it was a weapon. the family and their lawyer washed the videotape and say, you know, before mr. scott was shot he was actually moving backwards. he seemed confused. this tale of two narratives could be cleared up in some measure if the people in the community could see the tape. now the police chief said he's willing to offer a degree of transparency, but in a word salad said "not full transparency." but some transparency in terms of allowing the family at least to see the video.
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here on the ground even after relatively calm night punctuated by moments of tension between the police and protesters, this morning as the city is pulling itself together, so many people want answers. so many people want to see the truth for themselves or at least some measure of the truth. we have seen it in tulsa. we saw the video. that seemed to mitigate tension. in this community folks are still trying to pull together whatever bits of factual information they can. so far the facts are few and far between. andrea? >> trymaine lee and ron mott. thanks to you. this is also of course feeding into the 2016 campaign. donald trump last night accused hillary clinton of contributing to the racial divide in america. he was taken out of contexts to recent comments to steve harvey and seemed to say it was about charlotte. >> a racist force and this is a narrative supported with a nod
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by my opponent. you see what she's saying and it's not good. share directly in the responsibility for the unrest that is afflicting our country and hurting those who have really the very least. >> a very tough accusation. the clinton campaign responding this morning. spokesman brian fallon writing, quote, donald trump continues to lie about hillary clinton. she is the only candidate who has put forward a real plan to help rebuild trust between our brave law enforcement officers and the communities they serve, while donald trump is running a campaign that stokes hate, incites violence and seeks to pit americans against each other. this back and forth perhaps a prelude to what we'll see when trump and clinton debate monday night. joining me now nbc news political director chuck todd, moderator of "meet the press" and host of mtp daily. that's a tough accusation if that's what we'll see monday night or if this is just trying
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to get into her head. we know our intr tretreintrepida in chappaqua said the van with hillary clinton has left the house and moved swiftly -- and the pool isn't protected anymore. >> they are no longer part of the motorcade. >> or even to sit on the street in part because we have learned and confirmed that the clintons bought the house next door. they now own the street. so everybody off the street. they have to park in another jurisdiction practically. nobody can follow them. presumably it's debate prep, another day. >> they are both prepping but in different ways. >> what a contrast. >> she's doing it. there are mock debates, different people playing different types of trump. that's the big unknown here for them. i think this is a case where if you are looking at it, it's making her prep harder. she has to prepare for different versions of trump.
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subdued, aggressive, things like that. the trump campaign is enjoying this. trump himself is enjoying the idea that, you know, he's not a big prepper. not to say they are not doing stuff, but they are not doing formal mock debates. they know he would never be comfortable doing it. they are no longer trying. it is a different type of prep work. >> very interesting reporting that, in fact, they are not doing the mock debates. >> no. >> partly because -- or showing him videos of himself because every time they show him a video of himself he says that was perfect, that was great. he's not exactly self-critical. >> this is going to be an interesting challenge for clinton. if he's mr. passive and really is trying to keep his -- you know, he'll get plenty of advice. temperame temperament, temperament. polls show that's his big problem. she needs to draw it out of him. they are counting on a
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presentation of trump as not temperamentally fit to be president. look at the majority of the ads they run including a new one out today. if he comes in there subdued he can draw out what she hopes to get. if that happens and she has to draw him out it's an extra challenge. it comes with risk. >> it is a real balancing act. she wants to get under his skin without annoying the viewers. >> the mark cuban thing is about that. make him look up and see mark cuban in the front row because mark cuban trolls him literally on twitter a lot. he has gotten trump to respond in the past. >> we have all been going crazy. john pedesta, in charge of this, put a lid on anyone telling u who is playing -- >> there is a rumor that it's pedesta himself. >> what is the case? >> i will have john "donald trump" pedesta on this sunday.
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>> i know they did think about alec baldwin or another actor. >> al frank was in there. >> they are not doing that, we are told. eric trump today on fox going to your exact point of which one will show up. >> so many politicians go into a room, study and memorize note cards, spew out lines in front of a mirror. yeah, he's spending a lot of time studying, taking it seriously. at the same time you have to be yourself. >> also saying he'll be respectful. that he's going to be -- this is what you know kellyanne conway and the experts are saying. be respectful. that's the trump -- he was partly doing that on the intrepid. >> that was 22 minutes. this is a test for him. in the previous debates there were times he would make a big show at the beginning, part of it baurz he would get the question and he would make a big
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thing at the end but would disappear at times. he could go 30 minutes without having to talk. that's not the case this time. she had to do two-person debates with bernie sanders. she's been through this endurance test where you are always on. he's gotten moments where he hasn't had to do that. that's the question. can he keep it up for 90 minutes. >> the most contentious debate between hillary clinton and bernie sanders was the brooklyn debate for the primary. they were shouting. >> going after each other. >> if she does that this time, that's not the way to handle what is her biggest perceived problem which is likability. >> it is. it's tricky. they have spent and some may backseat drive them on this. they have spent a lot of time putting their chips in the "he's not temperamentally fit to be president." they have to hope that's the person that shows up monday night in the debate.
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if not, she has to draw him out. that's the risk. if she's drawing him out and it looks obvious does it backfire on her, what you are describing with the back and forth between her and sanders? >> i don't think she sometimes realizes when she gets a question that's uncomfortable i don't think she realizes how she stiffens up and projects the tension. a quick look at the battleground state polls. colorado, interesting quinnipiac. >> the state polls show one thing -- a closing race. trump getting closer. the national polls have shown something else, clinton opening up. look at the dates. all of the national polls have been conducted basically since last friday. the birther announcement by him. many state polls including quinnipiac, a lot of it conducted before and that was a bad week for her. some in the post weekend, but i would say -- i would like to see what the numbers like like in a week to see what's the lagging
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indicator. i think the state polls are the lagging indicator now. >> really good information there. >> mm-hmm. >> all of these will be lagging after monday. >> it's a clean slate. it will change everything and the polls will stay exactly the same. i'm teasing. probably the most likely result. >> chuck todd. got to love it. this is game day almost. >> almost. everybody's calling it the super bowl. in the real super bowl the pregame would have started already. >> chuck, thank you. you can see chuck todd every day at 5:00 eastern and every sunday on nbc's "meet the press." tune in to "mtp daily" as well and on sunday don't miss all night preview coverage of the first presidential debate beginning at 5:00 eastern. monday, live from hofstra all day ahead of the big event. the first debate monday rated by nbc nightly news anchor lester holt at 9:00 p.m. eastern. we'll be on afterwards. coming up, chilling video showing the new york city terror
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nbc news obtained exclusive new surveillance video from new york showing what investigators say is ahmad rahami leaving a bomb on 27th street. appears to show him leaving luggage which police say contained a pressure cooker bomb saturday night. that was the device that did not explode. what the video shows next is amazing. for that we turn to justice correspondent pete williams. only in new york. >> that's right. according to the fbi he delivered the bomb on 27th street, about 8:30 at night.
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as you look at the video you will see two guys walk past it. look ott the one on the right side. he appears to walk past his friend. the first guy in the lighter shirt sees the bag. the man with the white shirt opens up the suitcase. this is a duffel bag on rollers, sees that there is a white plastic bag with something in it. he takes the white plastic bag out of the duffel bag and puts it on the suitcase. you will see him -- he's now taking the white plastic bag out. puts it on the sidewalk. if you look closely he appears to look inside the bag. you can see what looks like the top of what is apparently the pressure cooker exposed. sort of a little shiny piece of metal there. the man in the white shirt attending to the bag and bending over it apparently touches the pressure cooker, at least several times. that would leave his fingerprints on it. that's one of the reasons why the fbi wants to find these two
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to make sure to isolate his fingerprints. they say ahmad rahami's prints were there 12 times. there are other fingerprints, too. they want to separate out these men. after deciding they don't want the pressure cooker, clearly not realizing it is a bomb off they go with the suitcase. the fbi want it is suitcase. they want to talk to them. the device sits there about 20 minutes after it is placed on the street. a couple of people walk by like this person and kick it and jostle it. at least two people do that. dozens walk by the device as it is sitting there. another one gives it a kick there. that's twice that people kick i while it is on the sidewalk during those 20 minutes. this is the bicyclist again. the little flash frames are in the video itself. there is nothing we can do about that. there are people walking past it. dozens of people walk past, oblivious to what's in the white
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plastic bag. >> i'm seeing this and you have been studying it. i'm seeing it for the first time. that's remarkable. these are the luckiest new yorkers. >> absolutely. >> they don't know why the bomb didn't go off. we haven't heard when it was set to go off. we don't know if in all the moving around they somehow loosened something that was supposed to make a contact. in any event fortunately it didn't go off. >> quick question about "new york times" reporting that rahami's father said two years ago he said my son is dealing with bad people. you should keep eyes on him or whatever. >> the fbi pushed back against this hard. even before he made the statement what the fbi said is that they heard about this from the police who told the county prosecutors that a neighbor during this domestic violence incident in 2014 heard the father say, you are a terrorist, get out of my house. the fbi interviewed him and both times he deniedenied. no, he said, i don't believe my son is a terrorist. i said it in anger.
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the first time he said i don't like the people he's hanging around with. they might be gang members, but the fbi insists he never told the fbi that he thought his son was a terrorist or had terrorist interests. >> quickly, the president is going to veto legislation today, we are told. this is legislation that chuck schumer, hillary clinton, yes, and other supporters of some of the 9/11 families have been wanting for years. it would permit some of the victims to sue the government of saudi arabia alleging high officials were involved in reporting some of the 9/11 hijackers, something the 9/11 commission report has disproved, they claim. the suspicions still persist. i am told this will be the first time the president veto will be overridden next week when the senate and house finish the continuing resolution on the budget and get to it. >> the administration and with the support of several people
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who worked in national security in the past say if this bill becomes law allowing the saudi families, the 9/11 families to sue the government of saudi arabia, turnabout will be fair play and american diplomats, intelligence officials and soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines overseas will be subject to lawsuits, too. they say, a, there is no evidence that the saudis had involvement. so there is nothing to be gained by the suit and, b, it will open up similar lawsuits but the 9/11 families say if the saudis didn't do anything wrong they should have nothing to fear. >> this is a terrible political posture for the president not only to be overridden for the first time in eight years but to side with the saudis, not exactly popular with people in the states. and siding against the 9/11 families. >> yes, although i think that's right. the administration would also say what they are really trying to do is avoid opening the problem and changing the law to
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allow the u.s. people to be sued around the world. >> pete williams on everything, thank you. >> you bet. >> coming up, standoff over syria. john kerry and his russian counterpart facing off even as they try to hold together a crumbling cessation of hostilities. john kirby joining us. this is "andrea mitchell reports." for four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls... and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. liberty ands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. the search for relief often leads here.s, introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy. a high intensity tens device that uses technology once only in doctors' offices. for deep penetrating relief at the source.
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make no mistake, the united states will continue to pursue every avenue of progress that we can because it is the only way to stop the killing. it is the only way to ease the suffering. and it is the only way to make possible the restoration of a united syria. >> joining me now, the assistant secretary for public affairs and the state department spokesman, john kirby. thanks for joining us. i can't imagine john kerry's private frustration if that's how angry he appears and nondiplomatic he is in public. the frustration because the russians are just denying the reality that it's been confirmed -- i can say it, you can't -- by american intelligence that these were air strikes. the only regimes, actors with planes in the air in the region are russia and the syrian regime. >> exactly right. >> it could not have been artillery from opposition forces. yet russia which is supposed to
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be the guarantor of a cessation to get aid into ale, po is sitting across from secretary kerry at the diplomatic table denying it. can you get russia to agree to ground the planes? >> that's the question. the ball is in russia's court and the secretary made it exceedingly clear. he came out to talk about it later. right now we are looking for a gesture by them. a significant extraordinary gesture to prove that they are serious about trying to get a cessation of hostilities that can be enforced. they have proven not able to do that. we'll see what they come back with. the secretary said if they have ideas and options, if they are willing to make gestures we'll listen. right now we can't move forward with the agreement we established with them a week ago in geneva, even to stand up an
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implementation center. we weren't there yet. >> statement, how does he have the heart, the spirit to continue? we know how indefatigable john kerry is and some say too optimistic. always looking for the glass to be half full. how does he deal with the russians? i know the motivation is powerful because if this falls apart there is no hope for the people of aleppo. >> he firmly believes in what we are trying to achieve in syria. some of the images you have shown in the last few minutes drives him forward. we don't want to see civil war in syria going on anymore. it's been five years. almost half a million syrians killed. millions more displaced from their homes and sent into refugee status. it has to end. right now russia has to make the move. they have the most influence on assad. it ease because of that but also, look, i watched him over the last few days here meeting with foreign min strer lavrov.
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he's been tough, pragmatic and clear-eyed about the challenges going forward. you talked about his optimism. he believes that diplomacy, if given a chance, can work. he's also not being taken for a ride. he's very aware that the influence russia has over assad is either not applied or not being paid attention to by assad. either way innocent people continue to die. >> i could just point out as a notnote it was a year ago at t u.n. meetings that vladimir putin met with president obama and never mentioned that within two days, 48 hours, they were going for the first time become engaged militarily with air strikes in syria. just wanted to give you some insight into our own ayman mohyeldin sitting down with turkish president erdogan yesterday in new york. this is what mr. erdogan had to say about the cease-fire. >> there was a lot of talk about a potential cease-fire that was
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signed or agreed to within the last two weeks. is the cease-fire in syria dead? >> translator: unfortunately it is a still-born baby. >> that's what turkey is calling it. >> look, obviously you heard the secretary say we are not going to call it a cease-fire if that's not what we have. we don't have one now. we agree this has reached an impasse that we don't have one and we shouldn't talk about having one, clearly, especially in light of the attack on the u.n. convoy and the strikes on ale, po that began when we were starting inside the syria support group. this is not a cessation of hostilities but we have to get there. we believe if we can -- and don't forget, it is about saving lives obviously. it is also about creating the conditions to get the political talks back on track. to get the opposition and regime back in geneva to move forward on a transitional governing
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structure to give syrians a voice and a vote if their future. >> i guess he's a little bit busy, john kerry. is he going to be lobbying his former colleagues in the senate to try to salvage the veto? we expect today the president to veto the 9/11 bill against the saudis. and the outcome according to the senate leaders i have spoken to is grim. it will be overridden. >> the secretary fully supports the president's position on this legislation and the president's decision to reto it. i won't get ahead of the white house in terms of the timing of that. we obviously support it at the state department. as pete williams said, we have diplomats, troops, american companies operating all over the world. to remove this sovereign immunity would be a dangerous thing to do not just for foreign policy but the way america interacts with the world. we just don't agree that this is the way forward.
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clearly, we share the grief and concerns of those families who are affected by the attacks on 9/11 or any other terrorist attack. we do what we can to try to support them. this, we don't believe, is the right way to do that. >> thank you very much. busy time for you. thanks for taking time with us. >> great to be with you. >> coming up, prep school. how trump and clinton are getting ready for the high stakes showdown three days from now. this is "andrea mitchell reports." ! polo! marco...! polo! marco...! polo! marco...! sì? polo! marco...! polo! scusa? ma io sono marco polo, ma... marco...! playing "marco polo" with marco polo? surprising. ragazzini, io sono marco polo. sì, sono qui... what's not surprising? how much money amanda and keith saved by switching to geico. ahhh... polo. marco...! polo! fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. polo! i know more about isis then the apprgenerals do. age.
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john mccain, a war hero. he's not a war hero, he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured ok. donald trump compared his sacrifices to the sacrifices of two parents who lost their son in war. how would you answer that father? what sacrifice have you made for your country? i think i've made a lot of sacrifices, built great structures. i've had tremendous success, i think... those are sacrifices?
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hillary clinton has left her chappaqua home for the second day in a row for a secret debate prep location preparing for essentially the biggest job interview of her life monday night. joining me now chris cillizza. it won't surprise anybody that these candidates are preparing for the debate in a dramatically different way. donald trump is down today but last night had a big rally in
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chester, pennsylvania. he went to geno steaks. i can vouch for them. he was as self-possessed as anyone saying maybe i will get one for hillary. said the debate prep is going fine. but the debate prep is so different there aren't binders. he's not studying videos. we heard from a source they would like to show him the videos of his primary debates but he thinks his performances are so good that it doesn't help to get him to improve. >> as of last week he hadn't practiced. hadn't done mock debates. this is the fundamental difference between the two. if you think of everything being high school, which it is in life, hillary clinton is kid in the front of the room who reads the extra credit books, has huge amounts of knowledge as her command at all times.
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donald trump is the guy in the back slinging zingers and joking around and getting by on a roguish charm generally speaking. that's who they are as humans. it's not going to change even though this is a huge moment for both of them. that's how they know how to approach things. one of the most telling things about donald trump is when he was talking about how he approached his days working for his -- the trump organization. he said he never had a plan. he would take things as they came. that's who he is. that's who he's going to be monday night for better or possibly for worse. >> certainly he's the better natural performer. the clinton team has an ad who shows you they are trying to reach the suburban moms using his own words against him. ♪ >> i'd look her right in the fat
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ugly face of hers. she's a slob. she ate like a pig. >> a person who is flat-chested is very hard to be a 10. does she have a good body? no. does she have a fat [ bleep ]? absolutely. >> do you treat women with respect? >> i can't say that either. >> all right. >> is this the president we want for our daughters? they are going to try to diminish him in that way. whether she can do it in a debate is another question. >> that's a perfect example of the clinton campaign's favorite trick which is to use donald trump's words against him. his televised words against him from words past. there is a corollary to what hillary clinton might be able to do in the debate but it is different. he won't be saying those things, right? he might come out with something slightly outrageous or he may not. we could see a subdues, restrained donald trump who doesn't go anywhere near any of
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that outrageous language. actually that might be a harder challenge for hillary clinton to know what to do with than the donald trump you see in the ad. >> the republicans have delighted in taking a few seconds out of a video she did from florida to a convention of supporters in las vegas the other night. let's play a few seconds of that. >> now, having said all of this, why aren't i 50 points ahead you might ask? well, the choice for working families has never been clearer. i need your help to get donald trump's record out to everybody. nobody should be fooled. >> so, chris cillizza, that's their portrayal -- the republicans seized on this to show she doesn't always have a friendly demeanor and she has to realize she's on camera all the i'm in a debate. they both do. >> it is an important thing to acknowledge. this is as much performance as it is a restating or stating of
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policy positions. yes, there will be policy discussed. this is performance, too. he is the more experienced performer though i would say reality tv and sitting behind a big desk and saying you're fired is different from what we are talking about here. and his past debate experience is radically different. we are talking about one other person. not five, six. remember, he stopped debating before the field really thinned down. it is a different challenge for him. i'm not convinced his past life as a performer necessarily readies him for the performance that you need to do well in a debate like this. i know for a fact the thinness of his policy interest and credentials are problematic for him in a one on up one debate where there is less room to
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wowwww... wow? what wow? there is no wow. . low income african-americans and latinos in these communities are the ones suffering in terms of lost jobs, lost property values and really lost lives. you see what's goeng on in terms of the safeties in the inner cities. it's unbelievably dangerous and we can't let it continue. >> jene nelson is from the naacp legal defense fund. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> donald trump has been trying to make much of what happened. here we have a contrast. charlotte and tulsa. the video produced in almost real time in tulsa and the manslaughter charges against the officer. now in charlotte we have the
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refusal with the police chief and mayor saying there is ambiguity. they showed the family. what do you think should be the next steps in charlotte to try to calm the community? >> well, charlotte should definitely take a page from the playbook of tulsa. we can see a significant contrast in how it's playing out in both cities. in tulsa you had immediate recognition that there was a potential concern in how the police handled the issue. you had immediate release of the footage, immediate engagement with the community and leadership by the police chief, elected officials in recognizing that this is a matter of great concern to the sul is a community and that they ought to be responded to and engaged. it was respectful and it was responsive. you look to charlotte and we see nothing but a bla at that particular time disrespect, frankly for the feelings and concerns of the community that's truly raw and outraged by what
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appears to be very significantly competing stories about what took place with mr. scott. what charlotte needs to do is release the tape, get transparency out there so that there isn't so much suspicion clouding what happened. then to grapple with the truth. whatever that reveals. whatever the tape reveals they have to be prepared to grapple with it and also to allow some freedom of expression for individuals in charlotte so that it doesn't become as contentious as it has been. you know it's difficult when you have police officers who are there to facilitate, frankly, a protest. we have to remember that's really their role when citizens are speaking out about concerns. they are also the focus of the fro protests. it is a difficult balance. they should be equipped to handle it. they haven't done well in doing
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so up to this point. >> thanks so much for your insights. we look forward to continuing the discussion on a critical issue. border politics, mexico's top diplomats joins us next on nbc, the place for politics. ter. fresher. more flavorful. delicious. only one egg with better nutrition- like more vitamins d, e, and omega 3s. and 25% less saturated fat. only one egg good enough for my family. because why have ordinary when you can have the best. eggland's best. the only egg that gives you so much more: better taste. better nutrition. better eggs.
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we need strong borders. we will build the wall. and mexico will pay for the wall. they may not know it yet, but they're paying for it. >> donald trump returning to the central theme of his campaign last night in pennsylvania, a critical state. talking, of course, about the wall. joining me now is the mexican foreign minister, the counterpart to john kerry.
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claudia ruiz, thank you very much for being with us. well, you may not know it yet but mexico is paying for it. you were in the meetings in mexico city. >> well, andrea, first of all, thank you for having me. let me tell you about this wall proposition. for us it is an absurd proposition. it is absurd because it goes against everything we believe of the north american region and against everything we have as a vision of what we can do together. if we want to become more competitive to create jobs and opportunities for americans and mexicans we have to focus on how to eliminate barriers. we have to focus on how to make sure our border is more efficient, more secure, more ordered. we have to focus on what we can do together and not what we have that divides us. >> in fact, the trade agreements we have had, most economic data are they have benefitted both countries. >> absolutely.
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the north american free trade agreement is a success story. it's created jobs in the countries that signed it, more investment, more opportunities. mexico and the u.s., for example, have an increased trade since nafta was signed more than 500% last year alone we traded over $331 billion. jobs depend on our economic integration. 6 million direct jobs in the u.s. depend on our bilateral relationship. 6 million direct jobs. i'm talking about 700,000 jobs in california. i'm also talking about 240,000 jobs in pennsylvania, for example. this is a good relationship that's mutually beneficial and free trade has a lot to do with it. >> you were in the meeting when mr. trump came to mexico city. how much warning did you have that would happen? >> well, it was confirmed. i got confirmation that he would be in mexico the previous day.
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in fact, i was in milwaukee. i was in inaugurating our 50th consulate in the united states when i got confirmation that he would be in mexico. >> in that meeting, first of all, did you think it was a good idea for him to have the meeting with your president? >> well, we believe it is important to have an open dialogue about the nature of our relationship, about how this is an important and strategic relationship for both countries, about the many contributions the mexican community in the united states makes daily for growth and prosperity. it is particularly important to have this open dialogue and conversation with actors that don't have much information with regards to who we are, what we mean for each other and how we can grow more prosperous together. >> were you shocked when he went to arizona that night and gave boisterous anti-mexican speech? >> i have to tell you the president was clear about
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talking about the contributions with make to this country, about how for us migration is a source of good, a source of prosperity for the united states and for the region and about the fact that we have to work together collectively to meet the many challenges we have as countries and as part of the north american region. >> it's a pleasure to meet you. i hope to continue this conversation. >> thank you, andrea. >> we'll be right back. picking up for kyle. here you go. you wouldn't put up with part of a pizza.
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hear his wife who shot this video narrating what's happening moments before and after her husband was shot. as you probably know there's been an ongoing debate about police releasing dash cam and body cam videos of the shooting. charlotte police decided not to release those videos. we warn you this video which was given to us by the scott family is disturbing. you're going to hear the deadly gunshots but you will not see anyone get shot. >> don't shoot him. don't shoot him. he has no weapon. he has no weapon. don't shoot him. [ shouting ] >> don't shoot him. he didn't do anything. >> drop the gun! drop the gun! >> he doesn't have a gun. he has a tbi. he's not going to do anything to you guys. he just took his medicine. >> drop


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