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i came over because i'm young and i got a lot to offer in life. why should i feel? the country gave me a lot to offer but you going to kill me for nothing. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." protesters gather in charlotte peacefully for a fourth night of demonstrations hours after cell phone video shows the police sheeting of keith lamont scott was shot and killed. the video was caught by his widow who began recording. it's unclear what happened in the minutes before the video begins and the video does not clearly show the moment when scott was shot by police. she can be heard pleading with police not to shoot her husband
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telling them he's suffering from a traumatic brain injury and saying he does not have a weapon. she asks her husband to compile with police telling scott to quote drop the gun. moments later four gunshots can be heard and his body is on the ground. ron mott is with us. how do people react to the release of the video? >> good mornin joy, there was concerns by officials and others in the community and maybe some we saw on wednesday night. unfortunately, that was not the case. last night the most peaceful night of demonstrations. no arrests, no property damage and all new calls now for the release of the official tapes, the dashcam and the body cameras from the police officers. now, mrs. scott's tape is certainly disturbing, that is clear. what isn't clear what the tape doesn't show, it does not show the moment she was shot by police, which is why people want to see what the police officers
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who were involved, directly involved in the shooting were looking at and seeing and hearing before they made that life and death decision to open fire on mr. scott. there was also, joy, as you know, a lot of analysis yesterday about there not being a dark object near mr. scott's feet when he was on the ground after being shot, so that has taken on a new life of its own on social media. there was also, what i found most interesting yesterday, after the release of mrs. scott's video was a little bit of government finger pointing. the mayor a couple hours after the scott video was released made a statement saying she would hope the sbi, the state burro of investigation, which is now lead thing investigation would quickly release this information to the public. couple of hours after that the sbi came back and said well in effect, it's not our job here to release the tapes, we just have copies of it for our purposes of covering this investigation. the originals are still with the charlotte police department and in the custody of the city of
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charlotte as it were. a little finger pointing going on there now. no one really knows when these tapes may be released but seems almost inevitable they will be released and if the families both and government believe that the shooting itself captured on those dashcam and body cameras is ambiguous, it's anyone's guess how this will be received by the community. joy? >> thank you so much. nbc's ron maotmott, thank you. the cell phone video was released the day after his family was allowed to view the recording of the shooting recorded from two different angles. three police officers were wearing body cameras. officer that reportedly shot scott was not. his family called for the recordings to be released and they said from their attorneys
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the family is hopeful the police department and city of charlotte will release all available video to the public so people can draw their own conclusions about keith's death. the police official haves decided against releasing the footage siting concerns about protecting the integrity of the investigation and very soon that decision may be out of their hands or may have run out the clock, depending on your interpretation because one week from today a law will go into effect that require as judge to decide whether or not police body cam footage can be public. the video may contain key evidence of contention between the family and authorities. police scott was holding a handgun and posed a threat but scott's family attorney who watched the police videos said they offered no definitive proof as to whether he was armed and that it's impossible to tell what, if anything, mr. scott is holding in his hands. joining me now by phone is president of the north carolina
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naacp and reverend barber, you hopefully were able to hear ron mo mott's report. there is finger pointing going on with charlotte calling for the sbi to release this videotaped information and sbi saying no, that's for the police department and the city of charlotte to do. what do you understand is the pa facts of who has the authority to release this video, if anyone? >> well, let me first say, joy, thank you for your reporting and also to say that the clergy and the youth and all have been working together in charlotte and when it comes to the violence, i want to be very clear on that. 99.99% of the people have protested non-violent justice or protest. there is anger and stress and distrust but they are choosing to do it in a way that reflects that anger but is not mad and with violence and i want to applaud that. now, on the tapes, we have called on the governor, the a.g., the mayor, the sbi, the prosecutor, the city counsel to
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unite together and release these tapes. as you know, there are other tapes beginning to leak. there are tapes beginning to leak, and the -- it can be done. we -- the problem is we have a governor who has signed a law opposing releasing these videos. we have an attorney general who said that ought to be released. the mayor is saying it ought to be released. the citizens and the families are saying that it ought to be released. the police chief is saying it should be released and only feeds into this conspiracy, this coverup. what we now know is that there are a lot of things we didn't know that there was a plea for this man's life, that he was -- they were told he had a traumatic brain injury, we know now that he was shot. we know the wife said he had -- he was shot multiple times. his wife said he had just taken his medicine.
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we need transparency. what we're saying is we need the tapes released and a federal investigation, joy. because you're audience may not know this, the north carolina legislature and governor took the sbi from under the attorney general's office. now, they need to understand the top elected law officer no longer controls the sbi, and that is a concern in this case. and so the sbi is controlled by the governor who doesn't want the tapes to be released in the first place. >> that, i think, go easy to the distrust that we're hearing from people not only about what happened reverend barber, you saw plenty of analysis of the video released by the wife of mr. scott and there could have been other people with cell phone who would have recorded aspects of it, too. are you hearing people believe there was a coverup or conspiracy by the officers or people want the information to be made public? >> there's a lot of rules and in
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fact, i can't -- the clergy had to show video concerns pictures out there. there a lot of things coming over. when we talk about -- and another aspect on the sbi. when people say the prosecutor brought in the sbi, that's not exactly true. the law says that the family, they ask for, they have to come in. it's not as though there has been all of this attempt to have an independent investigation. there is rumor, concern, picture showing up saying something wasn't there, something was there and the only way we can have freedom from all of this is to have transparency. we know this, joy. that if that tape was
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conclusive, it would be -- would have been released. we believe that. if there was a tape that showed a black man shooting a cop and it was clear the tape would be released. everywhere what is conclusive the tape has been released. the problem here is it only feeds the suspicion when the tape is not released and for instance, when on the first day the chief talked about it, he said a gunman but when the tapes were released, they said well, they weren't conclusive. how do you make a definitive statement one day and say it's not conclusive another day. >> a lot is going on. i know we can couldn't on you to keep an eye on it. we'll hopefully be able to talk about it again. thank you for making time for us. reverend william barber, appreciate it. >> thank you so much, joy. thank you. >> i want to bring up my panel, president of the center for policing equity and judith brown and activist and artist
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nus -- newsome from north carolina. the question of trust and whether the citizens of nk have confidence in the following entities. the police chief that made a lot of statements about this case, the mayor whose made some statements contradictory to the police chief about releasing the tapes and the state burro of investigation that's stepped in to do an investigation. in your view, do people have confidence in these entities? >> hi, thank you for having me on. the short answer is no for documented and understandable reasons. i mean, this began before the killing of keith scott. we had most vent recently the kg of jonathan terrell. this year alone six have been killed by cmpd and all of them african american. there is a deep mistrust of
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these institutions for the reasons that reverend barber laid out. we have questions. the chief came out and made this definitive statement about it being a gunman but they say that they can't say that conclusively ter looking at the video but then they say that there is a gun that they actually recovered, then we get video from keith scott's wife, which really calls into question whether that gun was actually there or whether it was something that was planted. so again, there is this deep documented history obviously of racism in policing and brutality against black communities here in charlotte and around the nation and talking about getting an investigation and reinforced the oppression that we are experience yeing as communities color. we have no recourse, which is why one of the demands being paid by charlotte uprising is an immediate investigation of cnpd.
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>> i want to play the police chief to that point, bree, talking about the video and why it's not being released. let's listen to that. >> it's a matter of when and it's a matter of sequence. the i were to put it out indiscriminately and doesn't give you good context, it can inflame the situation and make it worse. it will exacerbate the backlash. it will increase the distrust. so that is where disorderment, judgment and reasonableness have to come in. >> phillip, when i hear a police chief say that releasing a vild owe would make things worse, that does not make me confident what's on that tape is what exonerates it.
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>> it's an odd choice of words for someone to say it will exacerbate it. what is the context you want to give for this? one of the other elements for this we were talking about and why is it it feels as if the police and the police counsel are working to the benefit of the officers but we don't hear as much conversation about them working for the benefit of the broad public safety. obviously, we have property damage but loss of life. >> to that very point, you have at the same time that the police chief is saying we can't release the video because the family doesn't want it out, then the family says no release it and they say well, we can't release the video because it would inflame the situation but they did release a still image of what they say is the gun that mr. scott, that they are claiming mr. scott has so they are releasing some information but only information that helps
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them. >> regardless of the intention, i think we're both seeing how major city law enforcement that can be incredibly professional are new to how social media and media in general works because you have police information officer go out on television and say one thing and it's over but we're way past that now and i think frankly, the various steps in what seem to be missteps are eroding the public trust because it feels as if my justification for doing this keeps shifting then whatever the justification is, it's not in the public trust, it is in my own interest and not willing to be transparent. regardless of the intentions, it certainly feels that way to the folks we're talking to. >> judith, we do have, you know, there is case law that police officers are very much aware of, the grand versus conner case, the 1889 controlling case. the reasonableness of a particular use of force must be judged from an officer on the
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scene than 20/20 vision hindsight. i found a write up on a police magazine counseling officers how to frame a crime scene situation in which they are involve in a shooting along these lines. why should the public trust police departments when officers know what to say, how to frame, how to put together the facts in such a way the officer will be exonerated almost every time? >> joy, i mean, this is the core of the problem is that the public should not trust police officers. these police departments, what they are doing and in charlotte, it shows a beautiful story line for them. they are creating a narrative. they start off with framing the story from the very beginning putting out the person ahead of the police unjohn and they show a picture of an alleged gun at
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the scene and so they tried to sway the public and potential jury in the same way, what the public wants, what charlotte up raising wants is tell us the story. instead of you creating the continuous lies you think we should believe. so we don't need more context, we need the video. >> my guests are sticking around and we'll bring the tulsa situation, the officer who shot terrance is facing charges. where does that case go from here? we'll talk about that and this, as well. stay with us. when i was diagnosed with pneumococcal pneumonia, it was huge for everybody. she just started to decline rapidly. i was rushed to the hospital. my symptoms were devastating. the doctor said, "pam! if you'd waited two more days, you would've died."
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my panel is back with me. before we go to tulsa, i want the quickly go around the table on the question of the scene and video that was released by the wife that showed what looks like something being dropped by the scene and get your comments on that. this is the officer, you can see here in this video. >> he has no weapon. don't shoot him. [ bleep ]. >> don't shoot him. don't shoot him. he didn't do anything. >> right, you saw there and i'll start with you, phillip. you see this something drop. this sort of took over the internet yesterday. people were talking about it. a lot of skepticism around that. when you see that, what do you see? >> i see a lot of questions. right? i see that it seems to have a flop by body motion, which is a
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psychological term for something not one piece, maybe not a one, maybe a glove, who knows. the time lapse between when you got police tape there, that's probably a couple minutes versus when we see the still from the video, i have a lot of hard time -- i have a hard time deciding definitively what that is. i will tell you this however, if the state has the capacity to release the photo and the family has the capacity to release the video, this would be a good time for leaders to step up and say we're not powerless, right? we have the capacity to do something because too often after these issues come up, after there is a black death, people say well, there was no way to prevent it and there is nothing to do after it. and rarely -- as a scientist do i say personally this is how it effects me but i'm exhausted from people saying black death is is inevitable and there is no remedy for it. i hear that resinating back to me in communities and law enforcement that feel like they can do better and feel like
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frankly some of the officers, they need to be held accountable. i know we're going to tulsa. that needs to happen because there are a lot of good cops that say that doesn't reflect us and we're tired of powerful people in the wake of so much power being displayed saying now in the wake of only black death is this inevitable and powerless. >> to bree who lives in north carolina, is that the sense, i wish somebody would do something. we can't do anything? >> absolutely. clearly they are picking and choosing when they have authority. they make it clear they have authority to say when we can and cannot be outside in public places protesting but they don't have authority to release the tapes but they can't release the tapes, so it's -- i mean, it definitely is picking and choosing when they came to have authority and choose to not have authority and that goes hand and hand with having immense power and no accountability.
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that leads to corruption. it has to be knowledgunti acknoe commit murder. it's not necessarily all mall lace but i'm sure there are instances police officers mistake objects for guns and an officer in st. louis planted a gun on someone and there are instances where police officers willfully commit murder because police officers are also people who wear uniforms and makes absolutely no sense for anyone in this nation, any citizen to operate with that much power and absolutely no system of accountability or oversight. >> yjudith, that seems to be th case. you have the walter scott case in charleston where you have the former officer is charged with murdering walter scott but
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dropped a gun. you saw it on the videotape from a citizen. are we in a situation where the laws are not adequate who can in fact commit murder? >> we need more protections for citizens. right now doj, they are often hands are tied in so many investigations because the civil rights law only covers when an officer engaged intentional acts of depriving people of civil rights. we need a new civil rights law that covers what is happening in america. police officers are acting recklessly. they are acting unreasonably. they are acting outside of all guidance, all training, they are acting outside of what other officers are doing because the flip of what bree talked about,
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there are officers that don't kill people and this is a situation in charlotte where that man was minding his business. they were serving a warrant on someone that had nothing to do with him and they rode up and killed that man dead. this is a situation we need to understand that officers don't always have to shoot and kill. what it comes to black people, they think they can do it and they know that they can get away with it and that's why we have to strengthen the law. >> yeah, and speaking of that, accountability is what a lot of people think is the key to changing the dynamic and in tulsa, oklahoma the family is reeling from the death of terrance crutcher. prosecutors have charged officer betty shelby with manslaughter. prosecutors say that shelby quote reacted unreasonably when she fatally shot krucrutcher an became emotionally involved.
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crutcher's funeral will take place in tulsa. is this what has to happen for there to be change for people to actually see first of all, the quick release of the video, the helicopter cam video and a prosecution? >> well, i mean, certainly one of the things communities are calling for. people have been asking why did this have to happen in charlotte, in terms of the protest that erupted and in tulsa we didn't see that because at least the community had a better sense of what happened, had a sense how to start moving to get accountability. i mean, people who have no place to go with this level of exhaustion, it's not like any one of these shootings is the first. right? these communities, they experience them so deeply giving people of constructive place to go is not just psychologically and spiritually healthy. it's in favor of the public safety. >> what i don't understand for a moment, you have the trayvon martin case which is not a police shooting but a want to be cop and what started those protests was the lack of a
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prosecution, the lack of an arrest and that galvanized the protest. you look at the laquan mcdonald situation holding onto the videotape for 14 months didn't make matters better. it created more outrage. you can go to any of the cases, the mike brown case, the refusal to give the name of the officer that killed michael brown created and gal von nivanized p. when they with hold information from the public, that is what galvanizes the public anger. i don't know why that doesn't resonate with police departments. >> it does resonate with many police departments, which is why some of the things that could pop off end up not. i've said it a million times now. it's becoming more popular among police leaders to understand that compliance with the law always begins with trust in it and not fear of it but it has been a kind of fraternity that's been closed so we're seeing a
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culture shift. not just about they don't get it and don't they have televisions? i get it feels that way. it really is a shift in culture where folks are concerned for their own safety in terms of a backlash from other officers, union, mayor from that culture. so we're seeing a shift gradually. this is the way democracy works. it doesn't work quickly but i can say there are encouraging signs. folks get -- we got to do better and these examples both good and bad are part of the learning process. >> judith, do we see the shift among prosecutors? they don't understand that more information actually makes the public have more trust because people don't believe that they are not just in league for the police. >> i think we're starting to see prosecutors like in tulsa moving very quickly, you know, to figure out let's let a jury make that decision. still, we have this kind of, you know, relationship between prosecutors and police departments that gets in the way. i think at the end of the day it's -- you know, it's not just
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about the information but black communities realize that there's a presumption of criminality for black people and that also the way in which policing is done in this country is that white people get protect and serve, and all we get is law and order and what people are saying is just stop killing us. >> yeah, last word to you, bree, are activists making that connection between the politics and the way these situations wind up being resolved? >> absolutely. i mean, this is a systemic issue. the police do not make the law and when police commit acts of brutality and no accountability, part of why there is a strong deep reaction to that is because it is consistent with the kind of persuasive state violence from the laws passed by the city by the county and by the state. the attacks on our schools, the attacks on our wages, the attacks on our access to transportation and quality of
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life in the city and i also just want to point out to you, anyone interested in the full list of demands being made by charlotte uprising, you can find that information at charlotte and you will see there we include absolutely demands in terms of policy change and structural change. >> i love that. concrete demands and agenda is smart and thank you very much. hopefully people will check that out. thank you. all right. and next to the long unfinished fight for equality and justice, today is the grand opening of the new national museum of african american history and culture. that's next. max and i just discovered
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the landmark museum has been many years in the making, 28 if you consider the fact that congressman leawis is fighting o make it happen in 1988 and longer than that if you consider that the earliest call dates back to black civil war veterans who proposed it in 1916. the museum houses more than 36,000 artifacts covering centuries of african american life from segregation to civil rights rare and beyond. host of "make it plain" and you had the opportunity to be at a reception for museum staff before it opened. tell us about that. >> i was honored that asked me to be the keynote speaker. i had the opportunity last friday to speak to the staff of the museum, the people that run the museum and when they brought me, i said what do you want me to talk about because you-all built this museum.
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you know about history yourselves. we want to hear about the people in after condition american history whose names we don't know and whose names we don't know. it was moving because to me those in that room represented those who contributed to history who drove the women, to workers to the boycott of the buses. the sanitation workers, most of us don't speak to the garbage man but dr. king, don't worry about sanitation workers, the sanitation workers whose names will never know he went do you remember there to defend and stand up for and frankly this museum, the way its positioned on the mall between the washington monument between ancient history and dr. king's
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statute that stands almost like he's an african king. we know the names of the africans that built the pyramids or those who built the museum but it's a blessing and i agree with the president, when he said yesterday this is the best of tiles but it's also the worst of times and everything you've been talking about full sha and shar lit. we has people had to hue out of rock some moments of joy in the midst of our pain and despair. >> absolutely. we see the color guard taking their place and you saw the president and first lady walk in and president bush and laura bush are there, as well and chief justice of the supreme court. we'll have live coverage of the remarks by president obama as well as congress man john lewis once those begin and as we pay tribute to the history of african americans, donald trump talk about a segway, shows a
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we're going to rebuild our inner cities because our african american communities are absolutely in the worst shape they have ever been in before, ever, ever, ever. you take a look at the inner cities, you get no education, you get no jobs, you get shot walking down the street. they are worse. places like afghanistan are safer than some of the inner cities. >> mostly white audience got a real trump university black lesson on tuesday. according to the republican nominee, never ever in history have black people been in worse condition and trump believes he alone can fix the crisis. but our black voters buying this trump history remix.
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well, in the latest poll, two-way poll 3% of african americans say they would vote for trump. joining me is jimmy williams and former top aid to durban and anti race educator tom weiss. you have the disadvantage of not being here with us to the table. when donald trump says that it is never been worse for african americans, do you read this as empathy for things like say the killings of black men by police, the situation that black lives matter is protesting or read it as something else? >> well, i think he is right wing for signaling to the base. he's trying to remind his base just how dysfunctional and pathological they already believe black people are, so in that sense, he's not trying to reach out to suburban whites and convince them that i'm not really racist, you can vote for me. what he's doing is saying remember how bad those people are, that's why we need stop and frisk.
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that's why we need to control them with law and order. this is all very much about signaling to the base reminding them that he views the black community just as they do and of coursehis view is entirely wrong, the reality is violent crime is down by 40% since 25 to 30 years ago. the black male homicide rate in the country, the per capita rate of homicide for black men is lower today than it was in 1950 let alone 30 years ago but people like donald trump make bank politically off telling white folks how decrepit and dysfunctional black people are to stoke the resentment they rely upon. >> lee, this does feel in a lot of ways like the nixon campaign. i want to play donald trump talking about stop and frisk that tim just mentioned and get your reaction on the other side. >> right. well, one of the things i do, ricardo, is stop and frisk. i think you have to.
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y we did it in new york and it worked well. you have to be proactive. you really help people change their mind automatically. >> this is in response to a question that a fox news town hall and the question was about what donald trump as president would do in the wake of the killings of black men in tulsa and charlotte. his answer is bring backstop and frisk, worked so well in new york. >> the first actual policy supposedly aimed at black people and about policing and controlling black people. it's something that even i think amongst conservative makes them pause and say wait a second, this is ruled unconstitution and will black audiences,whelming u. this is something that is just not about aimed at reaching actual black people but about the performance of, you know,
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what can i say that looks like i'm interested in these people. it is very much based on -- if you look at the speeches he's been giving, it's very much kind of ripped from the headlines not of george wallace and gold water but nixon and sparrow. he got caught up in corruption. part of this is about kind of pointing out the criminality of black people, right? these were people that needed to be controlled, that they -- if given freedom, right, they would be involved in crime and that they couldn't take care of themselves so i think there is a way to look at it in this perception, as well. >> jimmy, a lot of this is being said in the south and you can't divorce the southernization of the republican party from what we're hearing, right? >> right. >> it's interesting to talk about stop and frisk. i remember when stop and frisk was so controversial here and i think i said on air here, i'm
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okay with it as long as we do it to the kids on the upper west side and they would be white kids. if blacks are assumed to be criminals, i.e., carrying weapons or drugs who is buying the drugs. let's apply it equally to all classes and to every region of the country and let's apply it to every community and see how it works and all of a sudden white americans will go, no, no, no, not my kid. my kid is okay. just because he's dealing with the nickel bag. that's the problem with this. >> not only that, stop and frisk was not only about finding drugs but guns. if you have national stop and frisk, the second amendment people aren't going to enjoy that experience. >> only for black people. >> important point. >> i want to play the former chairwoman of donald trump's ohio campaign who had to resign because of this comment, which i think is reflective of the fact this is not a trump thing. this is something that is shared among some of his supporters. take a listen. >> i don't think there was any racism until obama got elected.
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we never had problems like this. you know, i'm in the real estate industry. there is none. now, you know, with the people with the guns and shooting up neighborhoods and not being responsible citizens, that's a big change and i think that's the philosophy that obama has p per pep waited on america and if you're black and not been successful in the last 50 years, that's your fault. >> the side eye by the reporter is everything. mark, having spoken at the blacks history me susemuseum, i think there was racism until obama was reelected said by someone in the real estate industry. your thoughts? >> a common meme and trope, she said that irresponsibility to a person responsibility, the same thing, the clinton campaign and epidemic of pneumonia. the trump campaign has profound
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ignorance and stupidity and that's what she represents and she represents. even to say stop and frisk was a good thing when the numbers show it failed miserably and most of those found with contraband on their person were white kids more than black kids but black kids were arrested at twice the rate. he's not speaking to african americans. he's orange man speaking with tongue. he's trying to appeal to moderate whites, moderate conservatives to pretend as if he cares for the african america c community. t tim said, good too see you tim, is promoting the pathology we're failures. >> tim, i want to give you the last word because i had this question of why it does seem that some of the sort of more traditional white republicans
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are comfortable being in coalition with people like the alt-right. how can that work on them equally and how are they comfortable in the same coalition? >> it's the same thing that propelled david duke to 55 to 60% of the white vote in louisiana in '90 and '91 to his hard kocore base he spoke one w to remind he was the guy that would get tough with black folks and the folks he was trying to wu, he said i used to be a racist. he talked in code. that's been the game the mix between what lopez calls dog whistle politics and what trump has done which is more of a bull horn but notice every solution he has for people of color quote unquote and the problems are athor t authoritarian and racist. it's to kick them out and block muslim folks, many disproportion anytimely people of color, keep them out and black folks to
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seems to me left for us and that is to make sure shelves and be made in every sense of the word, the way to right wrongs is to turn the light off truth behind them, one had better die fighting against injustice than die like a dog. >> so said i to be well. journalist crusader, former slave and one of the founders of the naacp. >> mohammed ali shook the world and spoke the truth. this is what he said. champions aren't made in gyms. champions are made from something that he have deep inside them, desire, dream, vision, they have to have the last minute of stamina. they have to be a little faster.
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the skill must be more than the will. >> when they asked her why she didn't give up her seat on the bus, rosa parks said i wasn't tired physically. i wasn't old. i was 42. no, the only tired i was was tired of giving in. >> i believe that if one can experience diversity, touch a variety of its people, laugh at the craziness and attempt to sympathize this inside oneself without going crazy. one will have learned the right or earned the right to call oneself citizen of the united states. so wrote the politzer prize winning author james allen mcelder mcpherson. >> one of the 13 original freedom writers said this, we
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may not have been -- we may not have chosen the time but the time has chosen us. ours is not a struggle that lasts a few days, a few weeks, a few months or a few years, it is the struggle of a lifetime. thank you. [ applause ] >> that was robert dinero and ange angela. john lewis should be up next. >> john lewis. [ applause ]
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>> president and mrs. obama, president and mrs. bush, president clinton, mr. chief justice and members of the board of region to advise of the counsel, secretary davis gordon and dr. lenny and to the leadership of the united states congress and all of my colleagues in both the house and senate, in memory of the late representative of texas, protects this incredible building and to all of the staff of the white house, the federal agencies, the congress, the smithsonian, who push and pull together to make this moment happen and to all of the construction companies and their crews, i say thank you. thank you for all you did to help lead our society to this
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magnificent day. as lodge ng as there is a unite states of america, now there will be a national museum of african american history and culture. [ applause ] this is a great achievement. i tell you, i feel like singing this song in my head from the march on washington over 50 years ago, how we got over, how we got over. there is some who said it couldn't happen, who said it can't do it, but we did it. we did it. we're gathered here today but this place is more than a building, it is a dream come true. you and i, each and every one of
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us were caught up in a seed of light. we were vision born in the minds of life to the war veterans and their supporters. they met right here in washington d.c. in 1916 exactly 100 years ago the 19th street baptist church still in existence today, all there, see what a dream can do. rolled up their sleeves of the veterans, on their backs, you may find the wounds or shackles and whips most cannot read the decoloration, of independence on names but on their hearts, the
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vision during true da mac see no threat or death that ever era d erased. they understand the meaning of contribution and set possibility pass and down from heart to heart and breath to breath that we are giving birth today to this museum is a testament to the dignity of the every corner of the globe who earned for freedom. it is a song to the scholars, scientists and teachers, to the revolutionary and voices of protests. to the ministers and the officers of peace, it is a story of life. the story of our lives wrapped up in a beautiful crown of grace. i can hear the distant voice of
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my ancestors, find, still away. still away home, we ain't got long to stay here or big bold shot and i walked up this morning with my mind on freedom. all their voices for freedom have found a home here in this great monument. pain, our suffering and our victory and when i was a little chide growing up in rural alabama, a short walk to the cotton fields but hundreds of miles from washington, from the washington monument to the lincoln memorial our teachers would tell us to cut out
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photographs of pictures of great african americans since it was negro history and i call after an american history. i came inspired by the story to george washington carver, jackie robinson, rosa parks and so many others who life and work would be enshrined in this museum. as these doors open, it is my hope each and every person that visit this beautiful museum, would walk away deeply inspired, fearful for greater respect, for the dignity and the worth of every human being and a stronger commitment to the ideal for true democracy. thank you. [ applause ] >> congressman john lewis
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speaking about the smuseum and said he never thought he would say this day come embracing the man. he said contained in the museum is the story of our lives wrapped up in a beautiful crown of grace. my panel is with me and e.j., your thoughts on the meaning of this as we watch laura bush come to the podium. >> a couple things. i remember hearing john lewis say when he was a little boy he remembered being a preacher and used to preach to the chickens. a, those are the luckiest chickens in america and what you're seeing today is something skip gates seen. if you deny a group its history, you're denying the humanity and he quoted one of the first historians of african american whose said he wrote his book to
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call attention to the absurd charge that the negro does not belong to the union -- human family. if you have history and if you have agency, you're a fully equal member of the human family and that's why i think this museum has a profound importance that goes beyond the follknowle of a very important past. >> absolutely. very quickly, jessie helm fought the creation of it. it was a tribe to make it happen. >> prepares the table before me in the presence of my enemies. this is that table. this is a great and glorious day and i agree with e.j. to the greatest lost that our people suffered is the loss of our memories so this is a sacred time and is good to see john lewis there and good to see the first african american president there and timely when so many of us and so many young people leave home every day, not in
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fear but in awareness, not aware if they will be killed by the police to see something this positive. >> let's dip in and listen to former president george w. bush. [ applause ] >> thank you darling. laura has been engaged in this museum yfor a long time. she sits on the board. i hope our fellow citizens come look at this place. it is fabulous. [ applause ] >> chief justice, david, i want to give a shout out to lonnie. it's important to understand this project would not and could not have happened without his
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dri drive, his energy and optimism. 15 years ago, members from both party congressman john lewis and sam brownbeck informed me they were about to introduce legislation creating a museum to share stories and celebrate achievements of african americans. it would be fair to say that the congress and i did not always see eye to eye. [ laughter ] >> if you know what i mean, mr. president. but this is one issue we strongly agreed. i was honored to sign the bill authorizing the construction of this national treasure and i'm pleased it stands where it's always belonged on the national
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mall. th this museum is important. here are three, it shows commitment to truth. a great nation does not hide it's history. it faces its flaws and corrects them. [ applause ] this museum tells the truth that a country on the promise of liberty held millions in chains, that the price of our union was america's sin and from the beginning some spoke to truth and an evil of ka loss l magnitude. their voices were not heated and often not heart. but they were known to a power greater than any on earth. one who lovers his children and met them to be free.
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second this chose capacity to change. for centuries segregation seemed permanen permanent. harriot tub man, martin luther king junior. [ applause ] >> all answering courage and hope in a society governed by the people no wrong lasts forever. after struggle and sacrifice, the american people acting through the most democratic of means amended the constitution that the slaves as three-fifths of a person to guarantee equal protection of the laws. after a decade of struggle, civil rights acts and voting rights acts were finally enacted. even today the journey towards justice still is not complete
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but this museum will inspire us to go further and get there faster and finally, the museum showcases the talent of some of the finest americans and they celebrate not only african american equality but african american greatness. i can't help but note that a huge influence in my teenage years is honored here. the great chuck berry. my baseball idle growing up in far west texas, the great willie mays and of course, something i never really mastered, the ability to give good speeches but thurgood marshall sure could. as some of you may know, i'm a painter, a struggling artist.
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[ laughter ] >> i have a new appreciation where works are displayed here and our country is better and more vibrant because of their contribution and the contributions of millions afghanistan can americans and no telling of american history nor accurate without acknowledging them. it's what all americans share a past and a future. by staying true to our principles, wririghting injusti and encouraging the impairment of all we'll be a greater generation for those to come. i congratulate all those that played a role in creating this beautiful museum. may god bless us all.
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[ applause ] >> former president george w. bush speaking at the commemoration of the museum, this museum part of this facility in washington d.c. and you don't see george w. bush in public often. he pointed out his wife, laura bush is on the board of the museum. something we found out today. you don't see him much more. the bushes and race are fascinating. talk a bit about it. >> i want to start, there is a lot. the bushes are really interesting and complex on race and it dates -- it goes back many, many years and just to take for example gold water for, you know, as a model, george h.w. bush campaigns for gold water but at the same time says there has to be a way to reconcile out reach with black voters. right? we know, i think, we know the bushes for all of the bad things they have done in terms of race, but we also don't know them in terms of this complexity. this idea they could be compassion et conservatives and have deep feelings with race and
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black people as policies may not have been the best in that regard. we see it again with george w. bush. we were talking before how he has a black pastor and even after, i mean, there is a weird moment aftricter katrina where george w. bush says the thing that hurt him most is kanye west saying george w. bush doesn't care about black people. >> worst moment of his presidency. >> it's weird and fascinating, you know, intersection with race. >> very strange, jeb bush signs stand your ground and ends affirmative action by degree in florida and at the same time i know black republicans in florida that told me if jeb bush was the head of the party, not donald trump this race stuff he would have squashed. >> race in america will always be complicated. same in politics. the kennedy family was not always that great on race nor was the bush family. i can tell you this, when george
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w bush was president, you didn't hear any of this crazy dog whistling. it wasn't until he left the white house that this began. but that doesn't mean that he didn't -- his justice department didn't push voter id across the country. so let's be -- again, both parties have a long and tortured history when it comes to race relations. you know, if i seem to recall as a southern democrat my people were not so good in the '50s and '60s. >> the supreme court majority put in place by both of the bushes, herbert walker bush is responsible for clearance thomas and john roberts that declared racism dead and therefore we don't need the civil rights act anymore and sam, who is arguably the most conservative besides thomas on the court. they do have a sort of tops topsy turvey race. >> i love the complexity when you look at donald trump now sure beats uncompassionate
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simplicity and there was a wonderful moment by the way in the bush speech where he said a great nation does not hide its history, it faces flaws and corrects them. that's the classic reformers' creed. on the other side as you say the supreme court knocked down the voting rights act and this is very much the majority bush created and it was clear during the george h.w. bush campaign, h.s.w is a descent man but ran the willie horton campaign using race and crime. sit a ve it is a very complex history. in their guts i think they know it's wrong and i'll always respect is right after 9/11, he went to the mosque down the street from where i am right now and condemned any sort of prejudice against muslims right after 9/11. deep in their gut they know that the task of all of us is to
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condemn racism and prejudice when we see it. >> you get the sense the bush presidency, the second bush presidency was a moment of suppression of this kind of boiling rage that is sort of building up among a certain group of americans for a long time over demographic change. it seemed to be contained during the buescher sh era. i'm not sure why that is. >> i think it's something they actually ironically share with donald trump. if you notice and talk about spirit st stpiri spirit. they work with black clergy outside of the martin luther king junior preaching continuing rather than the prosperity around when trump was at detroit church he talked about prosperity. he used those prosperity preachers, bush w. in 2004 to drive that wedge between african
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secrets. according to yahoo news intelligence officials are looking into whether carter paige quote upped up private communications including talks of lifting of economic sanctions if the republican nominee becomes president. joining me now is michael mcelderry fall,-- mcfall. we wanted to do it because this is such a bombshell. we already have had questions about donald trump's seeming affinity for vladimir putin. tell us what your report was able to find about contact between parts of trump world and the putin regime. >> well, what we know is that carter paige who was named by trump as one of his foreign policy advisors last march traveled to moscow last summer, just a couple weeks before the republican convention, gave a commencement talk at the new
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economic school, which is the school funded by a number of russians and was critical of u.s. policy, talked about the hypocrisy of u.s. policy towards russia and central asian states in promoting democracy and said regime change. that raised eyebrows at the time and then additionally, u.s. intelligence picked up reports that while there, paige also met with a number of high-ranking russian officials. one of them igor the head of the russian oil company, very close ally of putin, whose been sanctioned by the treasury department and another russian official believed to have some responsibility for collection of intelligence relating to the u.s. election. this raised a lot of concerns, both among u.s. intelligence officials and among members of
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congress who were briefed on this and led to the intelligence investigation, which i reported for yahoo news yesterday. now, i should say there are a lot of -- there's a lot of mirkiness to this. precisely what paige's role in the trump campaign we don't know. we got conflicting accounts. trump as i say mentioned him as an advisor, his spokeswoman called him an informal advisor. this week when i asked the trump campaign, they say he has no role in the trump campaign. what exactly his role is, we don't know. we know that this whole matter is being taken seriously. >> and michael, we don't know as michael just said the precise role he's playing but one of the things we did hear from the former ambassador is carter paige was involved in the changing of the committee platform, the only change requested by the trump campaign being this softening of the republican position on the
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annexation of crimea. if you have somebody with business interests and who may be meeting with russian officials and floating the idea of ending sanctions against russia, what does that say to you? >> so, let's break all those thgs down. first, what he believes, i think is quite outrageous. i want to be very specific about that and you don't need to believe me, read what he said. he for instance called russia's annexation of crimea so cold and called the united states having annexed ukraine and we are now responsible for thousands of deaths in the former soviet union and one of the pieces he writes, he compares us to the violence against african americans where the united states in that analogy is the police. so, you know, we could go on for a long time but what he thinks about russia and apologies for russia and action i think is the first and most outrageous thing.
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>> and -- >> second, as you rightly pointed out, the business interest need to be clarified. he's not the security advisor but head of the largest oil company in russia. is he meeting to give advice and seek advice or for his own private economic interest? >> this is where the problem comes in. he's believed to have substantial business interest in russia. it could be these are business connections they are exploiting but is it more? is it about a guy who happens to do a lot of business in moscow therefore wants to keep doing so as president or is this about actually floating real changes, fundamental changes in american foreign policy. >> it's an excellent question and the bottom line is we don't
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know. one of the things or statements paige made that really got a lot of attention, he gave an interview, one interview to bloomberg news right after he was named as a trump advisor and talked about how he was an investor in the russian state-owned gas company and that sanctions had tanked its stock. there was sort of almost a direct reference to what ambassador mcfall is talking about. he has interest in russia and affected by u.s. policy. now, were his talks with -- in russia as freelancer in promotion of his own business, was he talking in part of the trump campaign? it's all very mirky. i have to say one reason this is being taken seriously by u.s. intelligence and law enforcement is the broader context here. we've had a series of actions,
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the hacking of the dnc and democratic political organizations. those hack cyber attacks on election voter databases in arizona and illinois that frankly have spooked a lot of intelligence officials and led them to wonder what are the russians up to here? influence and the paige manner has to be seen in that context and that's why it's being taken seriously. >> this is a huge story. we'll come back to it again and again. thank you both for the time. >> thank you. >> thank you, still to come, more live coverage of president obama's speech and the opening aft african american museum in washington and growing reaction to colin kaepernick's growing anthem protest. much more after the break.
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they don't like our country and flag get the hell out. i have no respect for colin kaepernick and he probably has no respect for me, that's his choice. my choice is i like this country and i respect our flag. i don't see the atrocities going on in this country people are saying going on. i want to see opportunity. this is the land of opportunity so you can be anything you want to be if you work. if you don't work, that's a different problem. >> the coach didn't menace words on offering his take on colin kaepernick's silent protest. it's a protest move the grment by the weeks. kaepernick's message is resinating in north carolina in the wake of the fatal police the shooting of scott.
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the nfl initially explored moving or postponing over safety concerns. vikings cornerback terrance newman who spoke out about a controversy when castillo was killed earlier this year had this to say about traveling to charlotte for the game. >> the fact that we to have, you know, a situation where people are being hurt, cops, civilians, everybody, that's definitely an issue. so we were just talking upstairs about in charlotte, are you going to go outside? people are nervous in talking about that and any time you have an issue talking about a person's safety, you definitely have to take that. >> joining me now to speak, dominic and fernando sports editor coming right to you, your thoughts on mike's thoughts. >> mike ditka said that colin
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kaepernick should find another country to live in. let's be clear, especially on this day when we open up the smithsoni smithsonian, when you tell people whose ancestors are slaves and whose blood is in the soil of this country, you are telling them to go back to africa. that's what that means. that is a racially loaded thing to say. and mike saying it now or donald trump saying it now, it's no different from when a u.s. congressman said it to paul robeson 60 years ago and paul robson's response then should be the response today. he said i'm not going to another country because my father was a slave and my people died to build this country and i'll going to stay here and have part of it like you and no fastous-minded people will drive me from it. that's the tradition he's standing in and only response appropriate. >> it is amazing that you have people who feel really free in this era. this sort of trump era to kind of express thoughts like that,
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like what mike ditka said and he's a supporter of donald trump. this unleashing something there. you now have steve clevenger has been suspended for remarks he made about black lives matter on his twitter feed and after he was suspended, worse stuff came out. he said black lives matter pathetic. obama you are the reason. they should be locked behind bars like animals. >> maybe baseball has a problem with the concussion problem because that's one of the most bone-headed things i've heard. i find the discuss, the false equivalent s made if you expres your opinion on the national anthem and if you are for black
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lives matter you're anti white. what happened to the constitution, joy? i suspect they share their copy. one of the reasons mike's parents left poland to come to this country was to give mike the opportunity to criticize colin kaepernick. seems like a one-way street and i don't understand why you can't say something you may disagree with but have to leave the country at the same time. joy, it's the unleashing of this more and more feeling and giving rise to and i think it's wrong. >> pete, you know, pete, you're having these things happening at once. they can't understand why colin kaepernick would want to take the anthem and have what happened in tulsa and north carolina. do people look at it again and say wait a minute, maybe there is something worth protesting here.
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is that what you hear in terms of feedback? >> unfortunately, we're well in the camps and have our opinions and correspond with the biases so much. it's interesting to see black athletes and white athletes disagree on this. you mentioned the seattle pitcher. i don't think he has a concussion issue. i think he has a reading issue and reading issue and advantage he doesn't understand. same thing with mike ditka who might know a lot about football. you know who knows him? he doesn't know anything about this country or its history. it's so evident in those remarks. i'm so tired of hearing people whether it be on my radio show or right now after i appear on your show saying love it or leave it. if you don't like this country, get out of it. it's ridiculous. the idea i don't want to stand for the national anthem, you might as well live in north korea. it's ridiculous. from the civil rights movement, we want to make this country better, that is what the protest is about and voting is about and democracy is about.
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i don't want to leave this country. i want to make this country better. i don't want to keep it the way it is. that's what he and many athletes are saying. it's not so much, it gets so lost. it's not just about the unarmed shooting. you can add to this. not just about the shooting of unarmed black people or white people, it's about the use of force and about the rules and one thing we do not hear nearly enough on cable television or in the conversation it is about the drug war. we've got to end this. it has so much to do with drugs. so many of the shootings and that's something we need to talk about. it's always the elephant in the room in my humble opinion. >> dave, you know, you always have at the same time criticism and why are athletes being segregated out? >> they are standing ochon a sef resistance and system of unaccountability. because they are taking -- that's an old story in this
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country who has the right to criticize this country and who doesn't. donald tmp has spent the last year trashing the united states from one end of the country to the other but somehow that's about making america great again yet people that want to see basically have the right to walk the street without living in fear of running into a police officer and the wrong place and the wrong time, they should find another country to live if they don't like the systems of the oppression in which they live. it's one of the great hypocrisies that's marked this entire presidential campaign but donald trump, mike, ditka, bobby night a knight are trump supporters and television guys and because they are tough guys they have the right to say who gets to be patriotic and who doesn't and when they have the opportunity to serve, they found ways to find ways to not actually enter the military. so this is a very old story. it's the chicken walk story and i think we got to be sick of the hypocrisies. >> tough guys that avoided war,
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five deferments donald trump got and he's afraid of mosquitos and women. >> he said he was a great athlete but his foot hurt. i have to go to you. of all of the guys on this panel, i've been on your radio show and you have the most direct daily communication of people on the right. your show gets callers from owl sides. you see the great america condition experience. what is the argument people try to make to you against the kaepernick protest or black lives master or affiliation of it? >> what is amazing about the arguments, they seize on the little details as a justification to distract from the central message and listen, colin kaepernick i thought did a bone headed thing wearing the socks -- >> agree. >> -- that seem to be critical of police officers. that's what they want to talk about. they don't want to talk about the footage in tulsa, which unfortunately under scores the nature of the colin kaepernick protest. the larger issue and bigger
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picture and earlier this year appropriately the life and legacy of mohammed ally if it meant putting him under the unpopular position. someone initially criticizing and aftermath what we've seen happen in charlotte and tulsa is colin kaepernick and larger message the bigger point? i think it is. that's why folks like mike ditka and others rather belonging to a basket of deplorables are part of it because they don't want to look at the big issue. they want to focus on distracting details. >> or to say athletes are getting paid lots and lots of money to play the game and should be silent, collect the check and go home. >> that's such a weird argument, too, it's true. they are making so much money and they stand to make less money if they speak out. colin kaepernick is not even a
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starting quarterback at this point. if he gets traded, what city or team will take him and sell less tickets because people don't like what he is saying i would argue the majority of nfl fans don't necessarily love who colin kaepernick is standing for. it's the definition of courage. he stands to make a lot mess money, not more money so do many other athletes standing up finally and it's really, really great. i don't understand that argument. also, just -- i have a diverse radio audience, as well. i want to throw that in. but what i hear when i hear so often disrespect to the military, which couldn't be further from the truth. that's not how we combine things when we fly fligighter jets ove stadiums before the games which is a ridiculous idea. >> it's a word confloouinaugura. i want to quickly play cam newton because nobody is in a
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more awkward position. let's play the most recent statements on protest and race. >> it could have happened, hell, in atlanta. it could have happened in los angeles. it doesn't matter. it's embarrassing for things to just keep happening. i'm an after condition american, you know, i am not happy what or how, you know, the justice have been kind of dealt with over the years, you know, the state of oppression in our community. >> dave, you know, you kind of got to feel for the guy. he's really been under the gun. what do you think? >> he bought beta stock in 1983 because last year he was black america's quarterback and the kind of polarizing figure who said he melt with frank luntz
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who said global warming is god giving the earth a hug and what frank said to cam newton is deracialize and be post racial and so cam newton did the infamous "gq" interview where he says racism is part of the past and doesn't affect me and now he's in charlotte, north carolina, the most prominent athlete at ground zero of people in the united states and people are turning to him for an answer and he's articled with the tools of frank luntz, which is seriously like bringing marls i to a gun fight and he knows people want to hear what he has to say and i'll tell you something, cam newton does have something to say. i'm waiting for him to say it because he's somebody i think can make a real impact right now. you know, i'm not one of the people who says athletes have to speak out. they have to have an opinion on these things at all times but occasionally gets moments where not speaking out becomes as political as saying something.
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that's this moment whether cam newton and handlers like it or not. >> mark thompson will come in. he had a comment he wanted to make. >> not that frame-throwing colleagues need any help. love you all. let me say this. cam also ought to be aware, dave, he has been -- being eaten alive by the young people in our social media. you're right, he was a hero and a role model. but these kids get on social media and they even see through that. he looks like somebody who is trying to moon walk, trying to come back from where he was. and obviously, we see the influence of frank lutz. and another thing i want to say. mike ditka is despicable and he's lost his bearings. he would not be successful if not for talented black athletes on the field. that was his bread and butter. for him to say that and for other fangs of the game to say that black athletes shouldn't speak out relegates us to be nothing other than entertainers than human beings. >> to go back to the other guys on the panel.
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pete, i am curious to see how your listeners are responding to cam newton versus colin kaepernick. i'm going to ask the same thing. >> we haven't gotten into that issue yet. and i think that a lot of people haven't really -- you know, dave and mark just both talked about cam newton's history. i wasn't even that familiar with it. i think a lot of people that don't pay attention to sports, you know, obviously don't pay attention to cam newton. but i do want to say, this idea also that mike ditka and so many other americans, including paul ryan and others, you know, you just have to work hard. work hard and you can make it in america. it's one of the most false, phony promises we kind of hear from a guy like mike ditka, who, by the way, when he started playing football, he wouldn't have had as much opportunity if there was more opportunity for black athletes. so deal with it, mike ditka. >> and, you know, the reach i ask this question, i am curious about this. there is this tendency to pit the black athlete doing what the majority wants him to do against the other athlete. you've seen it throughout the history of pretty much any
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sport, of having sort of the good black eye versus the bad black eye. i'm wondering if people are trying to seize on the athletes not participating with colin kaepernick as a way to justify attacking him for what he's doing. >> well, you know, joy, it kind of reminds me that riveting documentary, oj made in america where o.j. simpson at one point was the most celebrated black athlete in the united states and really the first of the crossover and he almost purposely didn't take political stances at a time we saw ali and the olympics, the track runners who held their robert carlos -- juan carlos, their fist in the air. i don't think there is an obligation for every athlete to speak out and do so. but i think as americans when one does, a., we should ask ourselves why are they taking this position other than just be quick to condemn. and to your question about what happens on our show, you know, i think what stumps a lot of people is the personal offense they feel about what they see as a disrespect of the national anthem and our country. and granted, that is an element of this you can't take away.
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but joy, fundamentally, what is colin kaepernick doing? he is engaging in a form of silent, nonviolent protest by taking a knee during the playing of the anthem. he's not mooning the crowd or interrupting the game. he's speaking out and i think the events of this past week are forcing many americans who are maybe uncomfortable with the details of his protest to ask the hard question, is he right. >> and real quick, i heard people say all week, why can't they be more like dr. king, who is nonviolent and peaceful than these protesters. let's not forget, dr. king was nonviolent and peaceful and a white man still shot him. >> right. >> and who will on. let's go to dave first and then i think lee had a comment. >> i think it makes me so sad -- deeply, deeply sad that it was the events of tulsa and charlotte this past week, mr. crutcher and mr. scott, being killed now has people reevaluating the rightness of what colin kaepernick is doing.
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as if philando castillo and alton sterling didn't just get killed on camera a few months ago. because i was just in st. paul, joy, this past weekend. and as a media cycle, we have moved on from philando castillo. and there are still commemorations for him all over the city, restaurants with his face in the window. family members and friends, because he touched so many people. so that pain is still alive. but i'm angry at the short-term memory of both our media and our country that it took two more deaths this week to people say, gee, maybe colin has a point, as if people aren't still grieving over these recent losses. >> absolutely. i interviewed tamir rice's mom several weeks ago and the pain is still raw for all of these cases. it's almost like there are so many, there's so many deaths, so many hash tags, that we tend to sort of go past and forget that people are still grieving. i wanted to just come really quickly out to this panel here. jimmy, you had a comment about mike ditka and king. >> muhammad ali. muhammad ali, with the entire
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world celebrated the minute of his death. i wonder what mike ditka would have said if muhammad ali were an athlete currently today and engaged in the exact same thing he did. >> i think we know. love it or leave it. >> that's exactly right. so they would tell one of the brightest athletes of all-time to love it or leave it. not how it works. >> absolutely. the president is getting applause. i'm sorry, we're running out of time. we're going to the president, walking on stage right now. here's president obama. thank you! james baldwin once wrote, for while the tale of how we suffer
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and how we are delighted and how we may triumph is never new. it always must be heard. while the tale of how we suffer and how we are delighted and how we may triumph is never new, it always must be heard. today, as so many generations have before, we gather on our national mall to tell an essential part of our american story. one that has at times been overlooked. we come not just for dotoday, b for all-time. president and mrs. bush, president clinton, vice president dr. biden, chief
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justice roberts, secretary supreme courten, reverend butts, distinguished guests. thank you. thank you for your leadership and making sure this tale is told. we're here in part because of you, and because of all those americans. the civil war vets, the civil rights foot soldiers, the champions of this effort on capitol hill. who for more than a century kept the dream of this museum alive. it includes our leaders in congress, paul ryan, nancy pelosi. it includes one of my heroes, john lewis, who as he has so often, took the torch from those who came before him and brought us past the finish line.
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it includes the philanthropists and benefactors, and advisory members who have so generously given not only their money, but their time. it includes the americans who offered up all the family keepsakes tucked away in grandma's attic. and, of course, it includes a man without whose vision and passion and persists we would not be here today. mr. lonnie bunchen. what we can see of this building, the towering glass, the artistry, the metal work, is surely a sight to behold. but beyond the majesty of the building, what makes this occasion so special is the
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larger story it contains. below us this building reaches down 70 feet. its roots spreading far wider and deeper than any tree on this mall. and on its lowest level, after you walk past remnants of the slave ship, after you reflect on the mortal declaration that all men are created equal, you can see a block of stone. on top of this stone sits a historical marker weathered by the ages. and that marker reads, "general andrew jackson and henry clay spoke from this slave block during the year 1830." i want you to think about this.
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consider what this artifact tells us about history. about how it's told. and about what can be cast aside. on a stone where day after day, for years, men and women were torn from their spouse or their child, shackled and bound and bought and sold and bid like cattle on a stone worn down by the tragedy of over 1,000 bare feet. for a long time, the only thing we considered important, the


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