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with legendary singer and activist harry belafonte. >> every time you pick up a paper, another young brother got shot or murdered somewhere. but we start with the tragedy in charlotte. protests last night were once again peaceful as the nation grapples with the police videos made public yesterday evening. the police say the video showed the shooting was justified. scott's family disagrees. we'll show you the dash cam video so you can judge for yourself. it is disturbing.
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>> the video shows scott backing away from the vehicle with his hands at his side. you can hear police shouting drop the gun. but as the police chief admits, you cannot tell from the video if he had a gun in his hands or not. >> there is no definitive visual evidence that he had a gun in his hand, you can see something in the hand, and that he pointed it at an officer. that i did not visually see in the video, but what we do see is compelling evidence that when you put all the pieces together, support that. >> the body cam video does not show the shooting. you do get a glimpse of scott with his hands by his side. then you see scott's body on the ground. only one officer fired shots.
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>> mr. scott steps out of the vehicle, he doesn't appear to be acting aggressive towards any of the law enforcement officers on the scene. he doesn't appear to be making gestures or motions as though he's arguing with anybody. he doesn't lunge at the officers. it appears he has his hands by his side. again, there is no definitive evidence in this video as to whether or not there is an object in his hand and if there is, what that object is. >> police released a photo of the gun they say they found at the scene. they say it had scott's fingerprints and dna on it. nbc's ron mott is live in charlotte. ron, what is the reaction there. >> good morning. i think the officials here in charlotte are probably waking up this sunday morning breathing a sigh of relief. last night, another night of
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protests but peaceful again, which is a big relief to the entire community that people after now having a chance to see the two videos that we just saw there on our air, the body cam and the dash cam video, did not act any more out of emotion than we have seen the past few nights. so one of the things going forward now is whether the police chief who had been pretty steadfast in saying that the public should not expect these tapes to come out just two days ago on thursday, he appeared to succumb to public pressure and released those videos yesterday and anyone hoping to get some clear answer as to whether the one officer who fired the fatal shots worked reasonably was left disappointed because you can't make conclusions one way or the other. both the city and the family tend to agree on that point. chief putney received a lot of criticism for how he was so steadfast in saying these tapes should not be released to the public, while being investigated. he did acknowledge the pain and
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frustration in this community. here is a little bit of what he had to say in yesterday's press conference. >> tragic incident. we as a community have some work to do. i know there is some distrust. we have been working on that diligently for quite a while now. but obviously there is more work to be done. >> now, we know there is a national football league game today, the carolina panthers hosting the minnesota vikings at 1:00 eastern time. we have been told to expect there will be some sort of gathering, a protest of keith scott's shooting, somewhere near bank of america stadium. and then going forward, there may be even more pressure applied on this chief because he is the custodian of all of the evidence in this case to release the totality of the evidence in the case. the sbi is investigating the police conduct in this mat, still a lot of public pressure on this chief to release everything so everybody can see what the witnesses said to police about what they saw at that apartment complex on
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tuesday, and everyone can then make their decision whether they believe the officer who fired the shots acted reasonably and within the law. >> ron mott, thank you for your time this morning. with me now is paul butler, former federal prosecutor, now a law professor at georgetown university. thanks for being here, first of all. >> great to be here, reverend. >> what questions do you have when you watch this new video? >> the video is very disturbing. under the law, the police are allowed to use deadly force if they face imminent deadly threat. in other words, if a gun is being pointed at them. it is not enough to say you saw a guy in a car rolling a blunt, even if he had a gun. north carolina is an open carry state. >> it is an open carry state. but police are saying that this began because they observed a gun and a marijuana cigarette in the car with scott.
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>> yeah. >> does that justify them moving forward in an open carry state? what is the importance of their raising that? >> they weren't even there -- mr. scott was not a suspect. they were there to serve a warrant against somebody else. just happened to notice this guy, they had time to go back to their car, to put on their armored vest and come back. and in that situation, if they see somebody with a gun, they're supposed to conceal themselves and communicate. i always think of the planned parenthood shooter in colorado springs who we have to say was a white man, he killed three people including a police officer, he had a ton of guns, the police engaged him in a five-hour standoff and took him out alive. and that's great policing. but unfortunately in too many black communities, we don't get that quality of policing. >> even the suspect last week in new york was shooting at police, who had -- who had been accused of the terrorist action in
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chelsea and took him out alive. what is in the training where you train and in some cases shoot to wound and others shoot to kill? and in this case, where would that reach that mark? >> you know, it is about de-escalation. when police use their -- when they fire on someone, they're trained to understand that it is likely to cause death. so there is not really an idea of shooting somebody in the arm. if they can do that, that's great. they understand it is lethal force, which is why it is so important to prevent getting to this point. it is about training about de-escalation. mr. scott did not have to die. >> now, police have still not released other tapes and that they claim adds to evidence in this case. what is next in this case, paul? >> you know, there were -- we have two body cam videos now. there were many, many officers on this scene, all of whom should have been wearing body cams. so i guess it is better to go from no tapes to two tapes.
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i guess partly cloudy is better than not -- than cloudy. >> that about full transparency, what we're hearing a lot of people in the community say? >> because unfortunately this lack of transparency is creating the impression of a charlotte police have something to hide. we don't see that video in -- we don't see that gun in any of these police videos. in any of the videos, really. it is something that appears in one still photo, you know. police usually do the right thing, they don't usually plant evidence. in north charleston, we saw on video, a cop shoot a guy and plant a gun. >> you're right. paul butler, thank you for being with me this morning. and we have an update on the other tragedy that made headlines. the police shooting in tulsa. a funeral was held last night for terence crutcher who was shot by police on september
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16th. on tuesday, i'll join the family at a rally for peace and justice. the officer in the case has been charged with manslaughter. up next, we turn to the presidential race. new details about how clinton and trump are preparing for tomorrow's debate. also, the surprises from the opening of the new museum for african-american history. and my conversation with an icon, harry belafonte. stay with us. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at
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between hillary clinton and donald trump. this morning, a new poll shows the race is tight. hillary clinton ahead two points in a four-way race within the margin of error. and in a new battleground poll, out of pennsylvania, she's up by just three points. trump's also got a new supporter. senator ted cruz. though cruz doesn't sound especially excited. >> this was not a decision i reached easily. not the only voter in the state or the country who is agonized about what is the right thing to do in this election. >> one new subplot, the invitation list. the clinton camp announced it is bringing the billionaire mark cuban, a famous trump critic. trump responded with a threat to invite gennifer flowers, who had
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an affair with bill clinton. flowers tweeted, she is in trump's corner. and she will be at the debate. joining me now is alina maxwell from the clinton campaign, where she's director of progressive media. thank you for being here. >> thanks so much for having me, rev. >> what does clinton need to do against trump in this debate? >> well, you know, i think she has a number of detailed plans and she essentially needs to come in tomorrow, and demonstrate that she has the steady leadership that will make a difference in people's lives and so she just needs to come in, and explain her vision for what she wants to do as president to help the lives of everyday americans and i think that she did that through the primary debates and i expect her to do the same thing tomorrow night. >> now, i mentioned reports about gennifer flowers coming. what should mrs. clinton do if
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trump gets personal about health or about bill clinton's past? >> i really think that just -- we need to dismiss all this gutter politics and focus on the issues. i think that this just demonstrates yet again that donald trump is easily provoked into some of the most baseless attacks, personal attacks i've ever seen and i think it is unacceptable, particularly in this election when there is so much at stake, there are so many issues that matter to the lives of americans as we watch what is happening in charlotte, as an african-american, i think that we need to focus on what is important and not get into this gutter politics. >> now, here's some of the things that mrs. clinton has said about her approach to debate most recently. watch this. >> i watched a lot of his debates during the primaries, but you've got to be prepared for, like, wacky stuff that comes at you. >> i am going to do my very best
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to communicate as clearly and fearlessly as i can in the face of the insults and the attacks and the bullying and bigotry that we've seen coming from my opponent. >> which trump are you going to get? do you have any idea? he seems to be changing a bit. >> he's trying to somehow convince people to forget everything he said and done. you know. and i don't think that he's going to get away with that. >> does clinton have to be a fact checker on trump during this debate? >> well, i would hope the media and the moderator work to fact check donald trump in real time because there are a number of irrefutable lies he continues to tell over and over again. i was against the iraq war, no, you were not, donald. and so i think that tomorrow night what you're going to see is hillary clinton showing that she is has the steadiness and the experience to be president of the united states and donald trump is just lacking in substance and so he's going to
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have a real challenge tomorrow to demonstrate that he is ready to be commander in chief. and donald trump certainly is trying to pivot, trying to be more reasonable, but i think that what we have seen especially in the past couple of weeks when he couldn't even not be a birther for more than five days after going five years with this racist lie against the first black president and so what we're -- what we're going to see tomorrow night is really the same donald we have seen all along, there isn't another version of donald trump, this is what we got. >> thank you for your time this morning. >> thanks so much for having me. now to the trump campaign strategy. the gop nominee has said that while he is preparing, he also believes the candidate can practice too much and reportedly he hasn't done much mock debating. but trump has tried to set expectations, claiming that the debate process is rigged against
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him. >> i look so forward to the debate with hillary. i look so forward. i think maybe we should have no moderator. let hillary and i sit there and just debate because i think the system is being rigged so it is a very -- it is going to be a very unfair debate. i will prepare the way i prepared for the other debates, nothing very formal. and, you know, really, you're preparing all your life. >> she's got to treat me with respect, i'm going to treat her with respect and i'd like to start off by saying that because that would be my intention. >> now, let's bring in borris epstein, trump campaign senior adviser. >> sure. >> thanks for being here, borris. >> of course. thank you for having me. >> same question i asked alina. what does trump need to do in this debate? >> it is all about carrying the message to the american people. donald trump is the right candidate to lead america right now. he's the right candidate of national security, he's the right candidate on the economy. and it is about delivering that message to the american people.
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>> now, would the same kind of debate style that we saw the aggressive insults that we saw him do in the primaries, would that work in this kind of campaign in a general election against mrs. clinton? >> well, you'll see the donald trump that has done so well in this election, that won 14 million votes in the gop primary and now is leading in all the battleground polls of ohio, florida, within two points of pennsylvania, very close in michigan. donald trump was authentic, a leader, and somebody who talks about the real issues. it is not about insults or anything else out there. it is all about the issues and what americans care about, which is jobs and national security. >> if it is nall about the issues, why invite gennifer flowers, like turning a huge national debate with all this country is going through into a burlesque show? why invite gennifer flowers? >> that back and forth started
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with the clinton campaign inviting mark cuban to sit in the front row and mr. cuban's been trolling donald trump for no reason whatsoever, maybe because mark cuban is jealous of how well donald trump has done as a businessman. so while donald trump wants to focus on the issues and the clinton campaign has promised to run a positive campaign, our campaign is swimming laps in the heads of the clinton campaign. >> culearly gennifer flowers is bringing it to a gutter level and has nothing to do with issues? >> we're appreciative of miss flowers' vote but we're focusing on the issue and making sure the american people have jobs, that america has over 3% gdp growth which it hasn't had in over eight year and it is protected. >> borris epstein, thank you for your time this morning. >> thanks so much. next, digging into the
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that i can tell you. i know you're embarrassed. i know you're embarrassed. but keep swinging, keep swinging. swing for the fences. >> but tomorrow is a different dynamic. it is trump's first ever general election debate. and he comes into the debate even or trailing on some key issues. on terrorism, he's behind one point. on immigration, he's down 11 points. on being in charge of nuclear weapons, he's behind 26 points. and 81% say they have got at least some concerns about trump's temperament. can trump insult his way past those numbers? or will he try to surprise clinton with restraint? let's bring in our panel. former pennsylvania governor ed rendell, former dnc chairman.
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professor david birdsell, an expert on political debating. and republican strategist susan dell perseo. thank you for being here. >> good morning. >> ed, you saw trump at the gop debates. should we expect that same trump to show up tomorrow night? ed? >> me? no, i don't think so. i think if the trump people look at the polls, they see had his biggest handicap is people don't believe he has the temperament to be president of the united states. that's a tough hill to overcome. so what trump has to do is act presidential, look presidential, don't get involved in gutter insults like he did in the gop debates, and also not make any tragic errors when it comes to
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facts. i think he can look presidential and act presidential, he showed that when he went to mexico. can he avoid making glaring errors. i'm not sure he's prepared enough. i'm not sure he knows enough to avoid that. >> susan, if he comes off with some restraint, if he comes off presidential as ed says, does he in many ways let his base down or does he even have the capacity to maintain that for 90 minutes? >> that's -- those are two separate questions. one, his basis behind him, no matter which donald trump shows up, they'll still be behind him. he doesn't have to worry about letting him down. the question is how long can donald trump go if he comes out the way governor rendell suggested, you know, showing strong temperament, and answering the questions thoroughly, can he answer those questions thoroughly in a 15-minute segment, drilling all the way down. and how long can he take it? he also doesn't have one other advantage he really played to in
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the primary debates, a studio audience. people will not be holering and hooting during this debate. so that can also throw him off potentially. that being said, the bar is so low, though, that donald trump really just has to keep his calm and cool and he will look good. >> but, david, let me push on that. did the audiences in the primaries, more raucous, more partisan, that will not be the case in a general election debate, first one of course, tomorrow night. what are the challenges that are facing trump different in a general election debate than he faced in the primary debate? >> let's start right with that question about audience. in the primary debates, the audiences can be loud and expressive in the general debates they're not allowed to say anything, not boo, not clap, not cheer, nothing. he won't get any energy from the audience in the traditional way
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he's used to hearing it. he has only one opponent. the moderator can press him to answer questions, his opponent will press him to answer questions. he won't be able to fade into the background and wait to take his jabs as he did frequently when there is as many as 16 other people on the debate stage. >> now, ed, you know, mrs. clinton has attacked trump on issues of character, listen to this. >> donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. >> he loses his cool at the slightest provocation. >> there has been a steady stream of bigotry coming from him. this is someone who retweets white supremacists online. a man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons. >> now, ed, during the debate, how can trump answer these kinds
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of charges. will she get under his skin? >> well, she has a tougher task. i think the bar as susan said is very low for trump. if he just looks and acts presidential, and doesn't make any factual errors and knows enough to get by, and it is a little different getting by in a two-person debate than a 15-person debate, but if he can do that, he's got a low bar. he benefits from that mightily. secretary clinton has to continue to show that she's knowledgeable, easy for her, that she's a strong steady leader, meaning she can't let him get under her skin, and that she is strong. that's always a bar that people expect women to show, are they strong enough to be president. of course, they are. but that's a bar that she has to get over. so if he does attack, she's got to fight back and fight back with some real zingers and i'm sure they prepared some zingers. but for her, her strong suit is
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her experience, her knowledge, her capability, and her temperament and she has to demonstrate those things. if attacked, she's got to fight back and not turn it into a mud throwing contest. but fight back and then move on. >> now, you mentioned susan, the bar is lower for trump. does that mean that he will be graded on a curve? >> probably. the thing that is also interesting is give than donald trump has been a reality tv star for over ten years, it really shouldn't be set that low because he knows how to play an audience. he knows how to be on television. but if he can't deliver some specifics as they start drilling down and looking at real policy, that will definitely stand out. and that's what people and his critics are looking for. >> all right, everyone, stay with me. we'll talk more about clinton's strategy next. ♪
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we're back, previewing tomorrow night's big presidential debate at hofstra university. hillary clinton will have a very different challenge from what she faced in the primary against bernie sanders. >> i have a progressive who gets things done. you need to level with people about what they will have at the end of the process you're proposing. it is always a little bit challenging because, you know, if senator sanders doesn't agree with how you are approaching something, then you are a member of the establishment. >> tomorrow, clinton will face an unpredictable opponent. capable of saying anything, and polls show trump has an edge on a few issues. he's up five points when it comes to dealing with the economy. and he's up ten points on the question of being honest and
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straightforward. in fact, 78% say they still have concerns over clinton's e-mail controversy. back with me, governor ed rendell, david birdsell, and susan dell perseo. david, the clinton camp says it is preparing for different donald trumps. what do you expect her strategy to be? >> well, she has a challenge that is very different from donald trump's. she has to show not that she's presidential and knowledgeable, she has that going away. what she needs to show is that in barack obama's famous coinage from 2008 that she's likable enough and part of that is to bolster her credibility in any way she can. and that's a tall order in the debate, because basically to any extent that donald trump is able to frame questions of credibility, whether around the e-mail server questions, whether it is around the clinton foundation, she's the worst
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advocate you can have there because people have that large set of doubts registered in the polls about her credibility, rightly or wrongly, and you almost need surrogate participation. the post debate commentary here becomes extraordinarily important. >> ed, let me ask this, let's say, suppose that donald trump doesn't come in and insults mrs. clinton. suppose he comes in with less than the aggressive kind of over the top ways he acted in the gop debates. should she go and take a real aggressive stance anyway and go after trump? >> no, i don't think so. again, it is a matter of debate. i think she wins by being the most presidential and i agree, she doesn't have to go very far there to be the stable force and to be the knowledgeable force.
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i think if donald trump tries to play it straight, and doesn't throw bombs and insults, then there is going to be huge gap in knowledge, huge gap in the certainty in which the two of them rly to questions, huge gap in plans. i don't think donald trump really has any clue on how to go after isis and if he repeats that he's going to take the oil, then he's got to have to worry about follow-up questions, how are you going to protect the oil? are you going to have a couple thousand american troops protecting the oil? how are you going to get it out? how are you going to sell it? how are you going to produce it? i'm not sure he's prepared. i don't think he can be prepared because those are questions that are really have no answers, rev. >> susan, let me ask the other side of that. if he goes after her, let me give you some -- let me give you some examples of how he's talked about mrs. clinton during the campaign. >> she was favored to win. and she got slonged, she lost.
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you look at whether it's monica lewinsky or paula jones or many of them, that certainly will be fair game. do you think hillary can stand up for an hour and do this? i don't know. i don't think so. hillary clinton is desperate to cover up her crimes. that's why she deleted 33,000 e-mails. su . >> susan, how does clinton respond to that? >> the e-mails are straightforward and he's not at risk at going too far with that, i believe. when it comes to the personal attacks, donald trump really shouldn't be going there to begin with, because he has a problem among female voters. he needs to attract them. hillary clinton has a decision to make on basically the next six weeks of her campaign, is she going to appeal to get the
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obama coalition, her big base to turn out to vote or is she going to look for moderate or independent women? and that will base -- that will judge her response to those criticisms. will she go hard against, you know, his policies? will she throw it back to him, look aggressive, make him look bad, or will she try and look a little more moderated in her response and really try and reach out and say this is about making us all work together to achieve certain things? it depends what her campaign is going to look like for the next six weeks. >> let me ask you this quickly, everyone is waiting for the fireworks. but could this possibly turn out to be a pretty low key debate and not live up to all of the expectations many of us have of fireworks and a lot of aggression on either side? >> well, that's certainly a possible outcome, but it is not where i'm going to put my money. donald trump has been much more contained in the last three to four weeks, but a lot of that is
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because he's been tethered to a teleprompter that is not going to be present in the debate on monday night. i think we're likely to see at least some memorable moments coming out of this debate, and just the size of the audience, the pressure of the events is going to -- is a great weight on both of the candidates, i would be very surprised not to see one or both of them go off script a couple of times. >> governor ed rendell, david birdsell and susan dell perseo, thank you for your time. >> thank you. still ahead, a moment of history that many thought would never come. the african-american museum on the national mall. plus, our exclusive interview with harry belafonte. stay with us. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar
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one of fear, but also of hope. president obama at the opening of the smithsonian's museum of african-american history and culture. the museum stands on the national mall. not far from where a quarter of a million people gathered for the march on washington. >> that's why we celebrate. mindful that our work is not yet done, mindful that we are but on a weigh station on this common journey towards freedom. and how glorious it is that we enshrine it here on some of our nation's most hallowed ground. the same place where lives were once traded but also where hundreds of thousands of americans of all colors and creeds once marched. >> congressman john louis fought 15 years to create a museum, a dream that is now a reality.
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>> this place is more than a building. it is a dream come true. in this great monument, our pain, our suffering, and our victory. >> but the fight for civil rights isn't a thing of the past. it is happening right now. i talk about all of this with harry belafonte next. don't lets get between you and life's beautiful moments. by choosing flonase, you're choosing more complete allergy relief and all the enjoyment that comes along with it. when we breathe in allergens, our bodies react by overproducing 6 key inflammatory substances. most allergy pills only control 1. flonase controls 6. and six is greater than one. with flonase, more complete relief means enjoyment of every beautiful moment. flonase, six is greater than one, changes everything. ♪
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we believe in the potential of this country. and this country has not realized its potential, has not even begun to scratch its surface. to be in washington was for me today a beginning, really, a kind of a climax to generations of hope. >> legendary singer and activist harry belafonte, right after the
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march on washington in 1963. he was a key part of a fight for change that continues to fight to this day. he's launching a two-day festival in atlanta on october 1st, dedicated to social justice. i'm honored to welcome artist, activist, and humanitarian harry belafonte. thank you for being here. >> thank you for inviting me. >> well, first of all, tell us about this project. why is it so important to have this kind of festival at a time like this? >> in five months, i'm going to be 90 years old. >> wow. >> looking back at the last 7 ye70 years of life, i never witnessed an america, a time when the community has been as restless as this is. the consequence of that
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restless, for a host of reasons, political, social, has m manifested itself in black men becoming like shooting ducks in a gallery. every time you pick up a paper, another young brother got shot or murdered somewhere, a lot of times you help us find the articulation for that problem. the black community is at a very, very restless place. a lot of young men out of the bloods and the crypts and other groups of the country are looking for response to this onslaught. one of the things they need are resources. one of the best places for resources is within black culture. never before the history of this culture in this country have we boasted such a harvest of popular figures between popular art, popular music, certainly the world of sports.
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we're all over the place. yet that powerful celebrity voice is not heard in the inner part of our community. >> that's what interests me about the festival because you're going to have music, you're going to have entertainment, but in a true belafonte-ian way, you'll have a call to action. >> it is a wake-up call for people in our community who just sit by silently and watch these tragedies take place and we're not vocal enough. >> we have seen more protests and gatherings this week that all of us have been involved. would you say the criminal justice challenge that you outlined in terms of black men and shootings is the civil rights priority of today? >> absolutely. i think that you cannot just go about -- if it is once or twice, you can say it is an accident and a consequenincidence.
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when you have a large population of murdered young men in the streets of america, and they're all black or african-american descent, i think there is somebody sending us a message and we should be respond to that message. >> let me ask you this, you involved an equally concerning issue. you involved 50 years ago in making the voting rights act a reality. i mean, you put in resources. and unlike some, you put in your presence and faced danger. how does it feel 50 years later, we're fighting to preserve voting rights? i mean, is this something you never would have thought we had to revisit? >> i never thought we would have to revisit it. i -- it is like the world is in a place of stand still. i ask every day i wake up, what happened? where did we lose it? why is this so much of this stuff in reverse? where are all the voices to protect that which we have gained and that which we have
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yet to acquire. i think that if the people don't speak, if the men and women who are the victims of this tragedy do not rise up and let their voices be heard, no one is going to move the agenda. >> let me ask you this, you say you didn't want to talk about politics. i got to ask, donald trump said blacks had nothing to lose to vote for him. how do you respond to that? >> i think that donald trump is an illustration of where the -- this country is at. he's a nominee of the republican party, but more importantly than that, he's got 13 million people in his constituency that stands up and says that's our man. the nation has folded behind this tragedy and we have got to do something about it. >> let me ask you, in october 1st and 2nd is an important occasion, particularly for those who care about the country.
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but i want to ask you, 50 years after you organized artists and activists to come to the march on washington, how do you feel with the smithsonian institute opening this museum on that same mall, down from martin luther king, did you think you would see this? >> i hoped something like that one day would happen. i never expected it to happen in my lifetime. but i'm absolutely thrilled that there is no question that on the charts of life there are many places in which we have been very successful. we have gained a lot and done a lot. but by the same token, the enemy never sleeps. we have some very serious problems. and anybody who thinks it is time to sit back and let it all flow is reading the wrong chart. >> that's why many of us will be in atlanta october 1st and 2nd because you called us and never wasted a call.
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>> i never felt i ever wasted my time with you. >> thank you. harry belafonte, thank you for your time today, thanks for your life and your legacy, and check out the many rivers to cross festival, october 1st and 2nd, in atlanta, georgia. for more information, go to that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next sunday. made with your airline credit card. hold only got double miles on stuff you bought from that airline? let me show you something better. the capital one venture card. with venture, you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase... not just...(dismissively) airline purchases. every purchase. everywhere. every day. no really! double miles on all of them! what's in your wallet? ♪
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