tv The Place for Politics 2016 MSNBC September 25, 2016 2:00pm-3:01pm PDT
can help you every step of the way so you can focus on what you do. we'll handle the legal stuff that comes up along the way. legalzoom. legal help is here. the candidates are doing their final preparations. coming to you from hoff tra university in new york, where the fist debate of the 2016 election takes place one day from now. look at those lovely people. donald trump and hillary clinton face off for the first time in front of up to 100 million viewers. an extraordinary figure as experts are predicting this debate could have viewership that usually we only see for the super bowl.
a make-or-break moment for both campaigns, clinton trying to inspire the base to get out and vote if big numbers and trump trying to prove he is presidential material. e.j. dion, american urban radio network's april ryan and hugh hewitt. "the washington post" did a poll in which they asked who people expect to win the debate. clinton won that one 44-34. never came up at 12%. enl, do those expectations that hillary clinton win put more pressure on her? >> of course they do. i think that what you've got is if hillary gets a b or a b-plus she beal given a d, and if trump gets a c or c-minus, he could be given an a given those expectations. i think clinton's role in the debate is harder than trump's. she has to do two things simultaneously.
she need to increase her likability, have the audience relate to her, but she also wants to throw trump off balance. trump actually has the job primarily of being boring, of not saying outrageous things, of not being unable to finish his sentences when it comes to factual material. so she's got the much harder job here, i think. >> yeah, absolutely. and hugh, donald trump was asked on fox news what was his game plan and what would be his game plan if hillary clinton attacks him during the debate. let's take a listen to what he said. >> how do you plan to stay cool when hillary attackious personally in the debate? >> they've already spent hundreds of millions of dollars attacking me and i ges madison avenue said go after temperament. i've always felt temperament was maybe my best asset. you know, this phony charge of temperament. so we'll stay cool.
i mean, we'll see what happens with her and we'll see what's going on with her. there's something going on that a lot of people are trying to figure out and we'll see what it is. i'm going to be very respectful of her. >> hugh, i'll give it to the psychologist to explain why he would say temperament is his best asset when i think he knows that's the thing people say is his most problematic issue. just your observation of donald trump, whether or not he'd be able to stay calm through a 90-minute debate, no prompter, one-on-one with hillary clinton. can he do that? >> yes, i do. i think that diminishing i watched donald trump go 3 1/2 on the stage at the reagan library and he did not flag, he did not fail. i think e.j. is exactly right about secretary clinton and the same applies to donald trump. whoever is the most likable tomorrow night wins. it's not command of facts. it's not command of issues.
it's likability, especially for 100 million people, many of whom will have just tuned in to this election season. >> and, you know, april, a lot of people would find it unfortunate in a lot of ways he was right. people judge these debates as much on style as they do on substance. and that does include us in the media, which i think is unfortunate. but if you look at that "washington post" poll, april, clinton is besting trump on several issues. handling of terrorism, they're essentially tied. she's a little ahead. ethics in government, she's a little behind. immigration she's ahead. and on the issue of the economy trump is ahead. do any of those issues play particularly well in front of an audience in describing them? for instance, if terrorism comes up, the two of them are pretty much tied on that. how could one or the other stand out? >> well, one will stand out on issues of terror. the former secretary of state, because this is her playground, this is where she is is in her
wheelhouse. and she is going to best him when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to policy, when it comes to presidential matters. and that's who she is and she's going to show knowledge, and what he cease going to show is if she backs him in a corner, he's going to play to his base, meaning those zingers and one liners, which kind of throw it off of the fact that she is a policy wonk. she knows what's going on, and what people want to see right now is this reality kind of sensationalism during this campaign, these one liners that he's good for. >> that is i think very true, e.j. this is in a sense being turned into a reality show whether he we like it or not and americans are tuning in to see if there will be fireworks between the two. something that's happened within the last 48 hours has only amplified the ratchet quality this campaign has taken on. you had the clinton campaign give a front-row seat at tomorrow night's debate to mark cuban, a multibillionaire,
confirmed billionaire, who trolls donald trump mercilessly, including about his wealth on twiter, and the response of donald trump himself from his famous android phone was to say, well, i'll invite gennifer flowers, who then accepted. i'm going to play with mike pence is now saying as the campaign walks back this idea they would put the woman who allegedly had an affair with bill clinton front row center at tomorrow night's debate. listen. >> will gennifer flowers be there? >> gennifer flowers will not be attending the debate tomorrow night. donald trump was using it to mock an effort by hillary clinton and her campaign to really distract attention from where the american people are going to be focused tomorrow night. >> e.j., what does this whole episode tell you about donald trump? >> i think you can score this one as a win for the clintons. cuban being there is there to tweet donald trump in part about his business career, which is more checkered than he would
ever want to say. he comes back with this gennifer flowers thing, which is, a, not serious, but, b, imagine if we had that conversation about gennifer flowers, are we also going to have questions about donald trump's own personal life, the divorces and everything else? i mean, i don't think that's a conversation he wants to open up. just one other point on the earlier conversation. what we have to bear in mind is most of those hundred million people are going to be watching this the way you watch as the browns or i watch the patriots. they beal rooting for somebody. there's a much smaller group of people there they're trying to move, the people who can change their minds. and i think in hillary clinton's case people whom she's trying to pull away from third-party candidates, anti-trump voters, or people in her base, she wants to make sure get out to vote. and so i think it's that small audience that's going to matter
and the rest are just going to be cheering and eating popcorn or whatever else it is people eat at home. >> hugh, i think that's absolutely true. there are so mu undecided and swing voters left in the electorate period, a partisan country, and you've talked a lot about voters who you saw shy voters, embarrassed about being for donald trump but who want a reason to vote for him. what would those voters be looking for him to do to get them to be less embarrassed tomorrow night? >> sean trendy told me, joy, this week, there's something called social desirability bias. that is people want to be for that candidate who is socially acceptable. and to a certain extent, i think the masked infantry of the elite media that have been attacking donald trump for the last 48 or 72 hours is making it easier for him. he's under such assault from the pundit class for a variety of reasons, mostly they just don't like him, don't like his style, don't like what they assert to be a sort of serial lying on his part, that they've created an
aura of invinceability around secretary clinton which is pretty easily punctured and i just hope donald trump stays affable. i've seen him go both ways on a debate stage, seen him get prickly, which won't help him, and high five it, give a high five to jeb bush or a knuckle pump to marco rubio. he won't do that with secretary clinton but it's better for he stays in the affability zone than goes on the offensive for the entire 90 minutes. >> a lot of conservatives saying there's no way they could ever vote for him. there's a bastion of anti-trump. i wonder if that impacts conservative listeners to your show. when people call in, do they hear those voices on the right saying this is an absolute nonstarter, donald trump? >> they definitely hear people like jonah goldberg, bill crystal, mike murphy who was on
"meet the press" this morning with me. the never trumpers are small in number but large in voice and their never trumpism is amplified. does it matter in an election which is a tsunami, a ground shaking election? this morning on your program i predicted somewhat out there that by the end of the week the headline would be dead heat in pennsylvania and you noted correctly that pennsylvania has always been the foothold of the republicans charlie brown. this afternoon there's a new poll that shows hillary two points ahead of donald trump with him closing. so i don't think the never trumpers have any impact on the seismic nature of this election. >> on the other side of that, april ryan, you've seen these third-party candidates, gary johnson, who has the larger of the number, you would think in theory because he's a libertarian would be taken from donald trump. but you see the clinton camp fighting hard to peel particularly young voters away from these third-party candidates, away from gary
johnson. what does hillary clinton need to do on the other side to try to pull those voters who are democrat leerns but who are right now thinking about third party candidates back to her side. >> those young voters are what she really needs and they are pulling their hair out about this. many politician s and washingto democrats are trying to figure out how. and, you know, with this, again, reality era, i think they need to fight fire with fire. you know, hillary clinton has people like vaiola davis on her side. you know, people like that who have megashows who can go out and reach those people, maybe eve an reality star or two. and, you know, yesterday patti labelle dropped the mike at the african-american museum of history and culture after she sang that moving song that's very much known in the black community and then she said hillary clinton, i mean, that was a moment that kind of went viral. so she needs those kind of moments to combat his viral sensibilities and on social
media and also his celebrity. she needs to fight the fire with fire. >> e.j., do you agree? is this a situation where hillary clinton needs to surround herself with sort of the popular culture in order to overcome donald trump's i guess reality show celebrity? >> i don't think she can do a whole lot of that and be completely credible. i think there are people in popular culture who can do that for her. i think she's just got to make the case that her views really are, and they are, much closer to those of the younger generation than trump's are. and on hugh's earlier point, the never trumpers have an important echo, those shyer torres, the nice british term he used, really exist in a lot of suburban communities. and trump has to win them back by being very republican and very conservative. and that becomes a challenge for him, and i ti this was a problem for john mccain when he debated barack obama. he had to pull back some of his
own party and therefore couldn't spend the time he needed talking to swing voters in those debates barack obama was able to talk entirely to swing voters. and i think having to still win back some of those republicans is a challenge for trump tactically. >> yeah, absolutely. john mccain had to deal with sarah palin . in many ways donald trump is sarah palin. e.j., april, and hugh will all be back later in the show. up next, my favorite presidential historian, doris kearns goodwin. she weighs in on the historic nature of tomorrow's debate. ♪
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hillary clinton will be fighting for the white house all the way until november but her campaign already boasts some major historical achievements. tomorrow she will become the first woman to take the stage in a presidential general election debate. earlier today i spoke with doris kearns goodwin and this groundbreaking moment and the women who helped fave way for the democratic nominee. let's talk about this historic thing happens. we haven't paid attention to the first woman part. in your view as a historian, what does it mean to have hillary clinton on that stage? to have a woman on that stage? i think it's huge, to borrow from mr. trump. it's interest weg haven't focused on it as much. in a certain sense in '08 when she became almost the nominee there was the first african-american nominee.
so it was overshadowed. in this year, in 2016, the first woman to win the nomination of a major party, it's overshadowed by the trump phenomenon. when people wake up the next morning after the election it will be a big thing that we finally have after 44 presidents who were male, one after the other after the other for hundreds of years, there would be the first woman president. i think it's much bigger than we're allowing ourselves emotionally to recognize right now. >> if you go back and look at the women that at least when i was growing up, geraldine ferraro was that first woman you saw sort of on that big national stage in her vice presidential debate in 1984, i want to play a little bit of a clip of that. then i have a question. >> sure. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. iran we were held by a foreign government. in lebanon, you had a wanton terrorist action where the government opposed it. >> let me just say, first of
all, that i almost resent, vice president bush, your patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about foreign policy. i've been a member of congress for six years. i was there when the embassy was held hostage in iran, and i have been there and i have seen what has happened in the past several months, 17 months, with your administration. secondly, please don't categorize my answers. either leave the interpretation of my answers to the american people who are watching this debate. >> doris, you know, geraldine ferraro became a controversial figure when she became a supporter of hillary clinton back in 2008, some issues in terps of things she said about barack obama. but put her in a an historical context in terms of how important it was for her to be on that stage and what did she sort of accomplish for women? >> i think at the time again after she was nominated there was this hope among women that it represented a huge step forward and that now we were going to see more and more women as vice presidential candidates, as presidential candidates. it ee's taken a longer period t
we might have imagine, but that clip you just showed, she couldn't have handled that better. i don't think george bush sr. is a condescending, patronizing man, but the question allowed him to appear that way and it threw him off his own personality. she handled it without being a bully, just in sorrow. a great marker for tomorrow night. >> i have to go back and play a little bit of shirley chism in the debate she participated in with hubert humphrey and george mcgovern et al. in 1972. >> exactly what's wrong with american politics. unless you can buy and unless you have the money, people that have ability, innovation, creativity in terms of putting new solutions into how government must work are left out. >> those same sh shoes were in play in the bernie sanders campaign. it does seem we are in this cycle talking about kind of the same things over and over again. we don't talk that much about her 1972 run. what was its significance?
>> i think she's touching right then on what's the major problem right now in our political system, the fact that it costs so much to run for election, the fact that the politicians are spending so much time dialing for dollars, that maybe the best people aren't entering public life because they don't want to do that. everyone knows the system is flawed, a there's too much money, and nobody does anything about it. there she is pointing it out so many years ago. >> have women in your view in terms of the political advancement, as a historian, do you look at where women are in terms of not the senate, still behind in terms of the share of governors and statewide elected officials to mention the national stage running for president. put us on the road. were we in terms of the advancement of women in terms of power politics in the snus. >> it may be true we're not as far along as we should be in the political system, but when you look at the statistics about women graduating from college more than men, finishing graduate school more than men,
finishing high school more than men, women are coming and it's only a matter of time that power they're developing in the society and now having a different relationship with their husbands so they can work as well as have children, i think -- and we've said it before, it's women's time but i think it is women's time now and it will be symbolized by the first president. but if it doesn't happen this time it's going to happen very soon. >> absolutely. i would be remiss if i didn't mention you interviewed president barack obama at the white house recently for "vanity fair." an amazing piece, an exit interview extraordinaire. i want to read you a quote. this is the president -- i do ask myself, was there something we hadn't thought of, some move that was beyond what was being presented to me that maybe a churchill would have seen or an eisenhower would have figured out? usually i'm pretty good at sorting through the options and making decisions i'm confident are the be decisions in that moment given the information we have, but there are times when i think i wish i could have imagined a different level of insight. he's talking about syria.
talk a little bit about the preside president's sort of ruminations on his foreign policy, achievements and the places where he fell short. is syria the place where he feels he fell the most short? nigh think surely he said he feels most haunted pi syria. what was so fun for me is i've been talking to dead presidents my whole life. i have conversations with them when i wake up in the morning, when i go to sleep at night. finally i got to bring all my presidents in the room and talk to him. i think the piece that you just quoted from was one of the most interesting parts of it because he's saying what if i had the legislative acumen of lbj, been a genius like abraham lincoln,ed that charm of fdr? could there have been a solution not just for syria but other kinds of issues that out of the box i couldn't have thought of? i feel pretty confident when i had the information in front of me i did the best i could. but that shows a confidence that at least has the humility of knowing on the other end that there is some other people with geniuses that i might not have been. he was really thoughtful during the entire interview and new
presidents, it was fun to talk about the past as well as the present. >> we are out of time, but i have to ask you this since i have doris kearns goodwin in front of me. which of these presidents -- you said you've talked with all these dead presidents throughout your career. which of those do you think barack obama is most like? >> i think the calmness and the steadiness that he brings to it, he'd like to think reminds him of abraham lincoln. he said in this thing that he wasn't an extravert in quite the same way as fdr or bill clinton was. he's more of a writer sensibility. but none of them remind you of anybody. they are all distinct individuals, the more i know about them, and you can't really compare them. >> wow. well, doris kearns goodwin, such a treat to talk to you. thanks for being here. and everyone should definitely check out your interview in vanity fwair president barack obama. >> thanks. it was fun. up next, she is one of the few people who knows what it's like to moderate a high-profile
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>> i want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> he did, in fact, sir. so let me call it -- >> can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of their being a riot out there about this tape to come out. you're correct about that. >> it was the moderator moment heard round the world. news anchor candy crowley, who moderated the second presidential debate in 2012, was heavily criticized for fact
checking mitt romney in real time about the president's remarks over benghazi. so should lester holt fact check donald trump tomorrow night at the first general election debate? trump doesn't think so. >> well, i think he has to be a moderator. i mean, you're debating somebody and if she makes a mistake or if i make a mistake, we'll take each other on. but i certainly don't think you want candy crowley again. >> and joining me now is carol simpson, former abc anchor who moderated the 1992 presidential debate between george h.w. bush, bill clinton, and ross perot. an honor to have you here. thanks for being here. i want to start with a pretty extraordinary sound bite, carol, that was on cnn this morning. janet brown, the executive director of the commission on presidential debatings, was asked this question about whether the moderator should fact check an assertion that is made on stage that is untrue in
real time. take a listen. >> the moderators have found it appropriate to let the candidates be the ones that talk about the accuracy or the fairness of what the other candidate or candidates might have said. i think personally if you start getting into fact checking, i'm not sure -- what is a big fact, what's a little fact? i don't think it's a good idea to get the moderator into essentially serving as the encyclopedia britannica. >> carol simpson, where do you come down on that, the candy crowley side where you hear a fact that's not true and correct it or don't fact check? >> joy, as you know, i'm an old-school journalist, an old media journalist, and our job, when i came along in the '60s, was to tell the truth, to tell people the truth, so they understood what was going on, then they would make t right
decisions and we could solve problems. this campaign has been like no other in history. so i don't know that this debate should be like any other in history. i was given guidelines when i was moderating and i'm sure lester has been given guidelines. but i feel we're the instrument of the people. the american people. and if you know that someone is telling an untruth, one of the candidates is telling an untruth, i think it is our obligation to let the public know that there is some concern or some controversy about what you said. so they say fact checker and it makes it sound like everything they said they're going to check and see if that's right or not. and i think it gives it the wrong impression. you're not going to do that with everything the candidate says. but if they say something that
everybody's heard about and it's not true, then i think you must try to seek the truth for the american people. >> this is coming up, of course, because donald trump is such a unique candidate in many ways, and "the huffington post" has a piece up today saying the debate of a role of debate moderators has ramped it up that trump is coasting along without being called out for routinely lying. more than half his statements are judged to be untrue. if he makes assertions tomorrow night, for instance, on african-american employment, which he's done repeatedly, would the moderator be within their rights to step in and say that's not the correct employment rate or is that better left to hillary clinton to do? >> well, it would be best to leave it to hillary clinton. but if she does not, then i think it's the moderator again
acting on behalf of the american people understanding these people. to be the most important job we have. one thing i want to tell you, joy, about the news media, which i feel has been embarrassingly bad in covering the primaries and everything. everything donald trump said, a tweet, a telephone call to a tv station or radio station, every rally he had, they put him on, and he got so much attention to -- not to the benefit of the other candidates he was running against. i think we have helped create -- dare i say the word monster, i probably shouldn't say the word monster, but we have helped create a donald trump that thinks he can say anything and
do anything and it's okay. >> i doubt that there will be many people who would disagree with you on that, carole simpson. you wrote an article back in 2012 that was headlined on being the lady with the microphone. what are the special challenges if there are any of being a woman in that very important position? clearly there should be more, but what are the special challenges for a woman as the moderator? >> i don't think they're anything special. of course i probably worried about more how my hair looked and my makeup than some male moderators would do. but i'm a journalist. i was a journalist. so i got into my journalistic suit and that's how i acted. no smiling, no being cute si and koy and that kind of thing. so i don't think women should be any different than any man in being a tough journalist. >> carole simpson, i have a treatment, and my dream is that you can come pack and moderate
one of these debates because i think that would be must-see tv. thank you so much for being here. always a pleasure. >> thank you. up next, i'm fan girling with carole simpson. but up next, a blast from the past. i'll ask my guests to pick their most memorable debate moments. don't go away. they're not going away. [ "on the road again," by willie nelson ] ♪ on the road again [ rear alert sounds ] [ music stops ] ♪ just can't wait to get on the road again ♪ [ front assist sounds ] [ music stops ] [ girl laughs ] ♪ on the road again ♪ like a band of gypsies we go down the highway ♪ [ beetle horn honks ] no matter which passat you choose, you get more standard features, for less than you expected. hurry in and lease the 2017 passat s for just $199 a month.
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our navy is smaller than anytime since 1917. the navy said they needed 313 ships to carry out their mission. we're now down to 285. >> i think governor romney maybe hasn't spent enough time looking at how our military works. you mentioned the navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. well, governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets. >> president obama's one liner
romney read was one of the moments everyone was talking about after their third debate in 2012. joining me for more of the most memorable debate comments ever, our panel. all of my very esteemed and fly colleagues. you guys look amazing. was that your favorite moment? >> absolutely my favorite debate moment. i have never forgotten it. there are all sorts of analytical tools you can look at on the internet ta say they received more tweets on twitter 60 seconds after barack obama made that statement. you know, it was so condescending but it was -- there was something so delightful about watching it. you really schooled governor romney and went on to talk about these little things that go under water called submarines. >> do you believe he was so powerful because the first debate was to be judged a romney win and there was a need for the president to come back?
>> absolutely that was one of the reasons. the first debate was a disaster for president obama at that time. but also it showed his personality, his sense of whit, his quickness, and it kind of aged romney in a way that i think, you know, inured to the benefit of the president. >> what is your favorite moment. >> mine is also president obama, the second debate in 2012, clearly, and it's when he says, please proceed, governor. >> oh, yes. >> it's just pretty fabulous because -- >> let's watch it. >> oh, i didn't realize you had it. all right. >> oh, we don't have it. never mind. you describe it. sorry. assuming facts not in evidence. >> republicans wanted to use the benghazi situation to their benefit, and romney's thinking, hey, i got this, this is his benghazi rebuttal and he goes into it and he kind of trips all over himself, and the president realizes it, sits back, and he says, please proceed, governor. >> now we do have it.
the magic of television. >> okay. >> it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> he did, in fact, sir. so let me -- call it an act of terror. >> can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> fact check. wow. by the moderator, how awesome. candy crowley. the thing i loved about this was that it was a subtle moment, right. we keep talking about these big moments but it was a subtle moment that president obama realized and was able to step back and romney walked right into the trap. and i think that's one of the things that hillary clinton's going to be able to do and just give trump lines for him to hang himself with. >> yeah. >> so i think that's the important part. >> it was also the beginning of no damns obama, obama 2.0. jame jameel, your favorite moment. >> goes back to my youth. 1984, ronald ray xwan is facing
questions about his age, facing a lot of those questions right now with the two oldest nominees in the major party, at least. he takes that debate and uses it as a chance to flip that question. and says, like, well, actually, you know, the questions about age should in no way reflect poorly upon the youth and inexperience of my opponent, i'm paraphrasing, but i thought that added a moment of levity and also got to the heart of it. we need to use these debates to talk about what's important and notes not necessarily age and other issues. >> age is an issue in this campaign. they're both nearing 70 so age is an issue. ronald reagan was to brilliantly deflect that back on to walter pl mondale. do hillary clinton and donald trump need to deal with it? >> i think so. when reagan said that during the debate, people could look and see the difference in their ages but it made ronald reagan very likable regardless of whether you were a democrat or republican. and i think both hillary clinton
and donald trump have their detractors. everyone is going to be watching this debate tomorrow night and they need to make themselves likable. >> speaking of likable, this is cheating a little bit. host privilege. this is from the primary back in 1984. i remember this when i was a kid. we were watching it. and this moment resonated with me because of a tv commercial. take a listen. >> i hear your new ideas, i'm reminded of that ad, where's the beef? >> yeah. >> so of course that was walter mondale, not most charismatic person probably in politics, but i remembered that because the ad, the wendy's ad, where's the beef, clara peller, my mother used to find that hysterical. whenever it would come on, she would come into the room to watch the commercial. we found that commercial so delightful. i thought that was a delightful moment for walter mondale. had he been able to deploy that charm in the general election, he might have had something. >> and hillary clinton, she's got to make sure she can talk
how other people talk. other people have to see her being relatable and frankly, casual. >> and likable. >> did "between two ferns" help her? that was hysterical. >> it was great for the millennial audience and it went viral. most definitely. >> i think if hillary clinton wins the election, one of the people she'll have to thank and invite to the inauguration, kate mckinnon. she humanizes hillary clinton and makes her more fun. i've heard hillary clinton in person is quite fun but kate mckinnon deliverings for her. i'm not sure she's trying to but she's great. thank you very much to jameel. all the other tv appearances. in our next hour, my favorite tweets from th the #asktrumponequestion. the tweets you sent me. we'll read our favorites and the voting rights case that could decide everything. up next, rob reiner on why he's supporting hillary clinton. looking for balance in your digestive system?
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[ laughing ] not the other way around. [ clock ticking ] earlier today i had the chance to talk about the intersection of politics and popular culture with acclaimed director rob reiner. take a listen. let's jump into this question of celebrities and politics. you have a lot of people who get rally angry when their favorite, you know, celebrity, actor, director takes a side in politics. do you feel that there is real influence there, and if not, why does hollywood get so involved? >> well, i don't know if there's real ip influence or not. i mean, we're just people and, you know, our opinion is no more
valid than anybody else's. i mean, in my case, i have been in government. you know, i have had a job in government for years and i've been involved with public policy and, you know, moving a certain policy forward. and i've been doing that for a lot of my life. so it's not -- i'm kind of separate and apart from a lot of people that are in hollywood. but, you know, to me, celebrities are just people that can draw attention to an issue. but then ultimately, you have to be able to drill down and be able to talk about the issue in a substantive way, and if you can't, it doesn't help, i don't think, one way or the other. >> you know, one of the ways in which hollywood and, you know, the entertainment industry really does dovetail with politics in my view is sometimes it's so spot on that you can capture a cultural moment that turns out to be very real. and i think "all in the family" was clearly one of those moments in the early 1970s, that sentiment among a certain, you know, group of white voters about the world that they lived in and the way it was changing. it feels like it's really being
reflected now. i have to play you this incredible mash-up of archie bunker sound and donald trump. listen. >> i am so sick of washington and all its works and all them politicians down there. i'm so d all the works and politics down there. >> i'm so sick and tired of watching incompetent politics, all talk, no action. >> country going straight into the dumper. >> country in serious trouble. >> send me poor, deadbeats, filthy, all the nations coming in here, come swarming in like u.s. >> the u.s. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems. >> our world comes crumbling down. >> rob, what does it say to you that sentiment is so strong you can almost produce, without the lovability, an archie bunker presidential candidate. >> what's interesting, those issues, which are very hot and on the front burner in the '60s and '70s, that all of a sudden,
you know, they got submerged after a while and you have this guy, donald trump, who comes along and essentially re lly res all of this and gives a bullhorn to the idea. what we've done is seen the civil war -- the last throes of civil war, last battle and donald trump is leading wait for white nationalism. it's sad because people are hanging onto this idea of white america, immigrant-free america. it's scary and sad but it's the last battle and i believe we will win it. >> to people who are saying, you know what, i hear people saying that, they claim donald trump phenomenon have something to do with race. i as voter don't believe that at all, i just think he could make the economy better. what would be your argument to soft voters, maybe uncomfortable
with parts of his campaign but prefer him because he will give them tax cuts, whatever. what is the worst scenario of a donald trump president in your point of view? >> the worst scenario is the supreme court. people don't talk about it all that much but it's not a sexy issue. the fact of the matter is, if he has one, two, three appointments, that could change the direction of this country in a scary way for 30, 40 years. and we're talking about civil rights. we're talking about voting rights. we're talking about women's rights. all of these things could be affected by the supreme court in a profound way. that's what i would say to people. as far as the economy is concerned, what makes you think he is going to have a better handle on the economy. he's been a complete and utter failure as a businessman. all you've got to do is look at his record and see what he's done. he's had six bankruptcies. he's a failure. he uses -- as he proudly says, i
use other people's money to pay for things. in many cases he uses other people's money to buy off elected officials who are threatening to expose his fraudulent activities like trump university. i would say to them, what gives you this sense that he is going to be better for the economy, especially since democrats historically have been better for the economy. you hear that old phrase, you want to live like a republican, vote democrat. so i don't see where he -- and certainly he's laid no plans out for how we would fix the economy. by the way, it's moving in the right direction. >> one of the things i do find interesting, every election cycle you have a certain percentage of hollywood, the world out there in l.a. that are republicans that come out for the nominee, romney had them, mccain had them.
it's been really quiet on the republican side of hollywood for donald trump. you can give us the benefit of your inside knowledge here. is there a sense among even people who are conservative in hollywood that he's a bridge too far? >> you know, i think it's a hard thing for people to support a racist. people in hollywood, even if they are republican, they are humanitarians. they do care about their fellow citizens. the idea of supporting somebody who is racist and spouting racist ideas is way beyond the bridge too far. >> you know, we've been having fun, rob, with folks asking what one question they would want to ask donald trump. we've got a hashtag going for it as well. i would ask you, sir, what one question would you want to ask donald trump at the debate tomorrow night? >> i would ask him, that if, in fact, he had a secret plan to defeat isis, why didn't he tell
us that and maybe we could have avoided san bernardino and the pulse nightclub and turkey and paris. if you had a plan, you basically should have come forward with it, because a lot of lives were lost. where was that secret plan. >> okay. we have finally broken out of the desk, down here with hofstra university people. we are going to continue with ask trump one question on twitter. we'll do it live. conner, what would be your one question for donald trump. >> i want to know in good conscious how he could choose a vp so homophobic. >> he claims he's pro lgtb. >> he picks someone homophobic and homophobic laws. i'm confused on that. >> all right. what's your name and what would be your question? >> my name is victoria. my question would be why he thinks it's okay to lie and be a
fact checker's dream yet hillary clinton gets crucified for anything she says. >> do you think the moderator should fact check him? >> i think that should be the job of the moderator. it has to be addressed on the stage rather than behind the scenes where he can backtrack, put him on the spot. >> makes sense to me. your name and question. >> steve. my question is since mr. trump thinks it's appropriate to blow iranians out of the water, under what conditions would he use nuclear weapons. >> that's a good question. i hope it gets act. a cheer here. how many people think moderators should fact check these candidates during the realtime debate. okay. how many people think the moderators should let the other candidate handle it and not fact check? no cheers. looks like hofstra has spoken. i think we need to listen when they speak. much more "am joy" after the break. much more of this amazing crowd.
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panera. food as it should be. paragraph hello, everyone. i'm joy reid coming to you live from hofstra university on new york's long island. right here in 24 hours hillary clinton will face off against donald trump in an historic debate that promises to be one to remember. now i want to bring in my guest msnbc contributor, from radio networks and msnbc political analyst hugh hewitt. let's go through and talk about some of these polls, friends. let's start with this question about what college educated white women are going to do. this is a group that typically actually votes republican. white women typically vote republican, 14 points for mitt romney. right now hillary clinton is winning them