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i'm sad to say that wraps us up this hour. there's so much more to cover. but guess what? craig melvin is going to do that right now. d >> we continue our coverage of the historic debate. both presidential candidates face debate for the first time now with just six weeks before election day. >> hillary has experience, but it's bad experience. >> matters when you run for president and they really matter when you are president. >> i was the one that got them to produce the birth
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certificate, and i think i did a good job. >> he has really started his political activity based on this racist lie. >> i did not support the war in iraq. >> donald supported the invasion of iraq. >> wrong. >> i think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. >> i was going to say something extremely rough. >> you know what else i prepared for? to be president. i made a mistake using a private e-mail. >> that's for sure. >> why won't he release his tax returns? >> i will release the tax returns against my lawyer's wishes when she releases her 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted. >> they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> that makes me smart. she doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina. >> this is a man who has called women pig, slobs, and dogs.
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>> maybe my strongest asset by far is my temperament. >> whew. okay. >> at times, entertaining. occasionally, enlightening but did either candidate win over undecideds or change hearts or minds? the best in the political team is here this morning with everything. kristen welker, peter alexander both here. let me start with you, good sir. we've heard trump campaign manager kelly ann conway call hillary clinton overprepared and said she was scripted. what are they saying about the own candidate's performance last night? >> they said hillary clinton was canned. hitting that line, accusing her of an avalanche of insults. as for donald trump's performance itself, i think when you talk to republican operatives, they viewed it as a night of missed opportunities. the biggest frustration, they felt good about the start when he was hitting clinton on the issue of job creation and on
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trade, but they felt like the missed opportunities focused on things like the clinton foundation, benghazi, the failed foreign policy in the eyes of donald trump and perhaps most importantly, on e-mails. hillary clinton obviously, as we witnessed, had a very short, her most clear and concise answer on that. they think donald trump should have gone harder at her on that. >> we played a moment ago was taxes and his personal tax returns. he said he would if hillary clinton released thousands of the e-mails. after the debate, we saw trump make what i believe was an unprecedented move. goes into the spin room. what did he say withere? >> he has done that over the course of the primary season but as the republican nominee. the past presidential campaign season, they don't see that. they sent surrogates and aides in the room but he's an unconventional candidate and likes to speak for himself as he
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did last night but that issue of tax returns came up again and he was peppered with more questions about what seemed to be an admission that in the past, he had not paid federal income tax. here's part of his exchange with my colleague, katy tur. >> my current returns will be released. >> do you pay federal income tax now? >> they will be released. >> do you pay federal income tax now? >> so it didn't seem to resolve that question. i think that's one of the challenges the trump campaign will face going forward. of course, they'll be critical of what's described by folks in the campaign as the elite media focusing on these issues but on the topic of birtherism and tax returns, i think there wasn't really a resolution in effect and those are likely to be questions that come up again over the course of the next few weeks until the next debate, october 9th. >> there was a fair amount of talk about policy last night. but it was this moment that lit up social media. take a look.
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>> my strongest asset, maybe by far, is my temperament. i have a winning temperament. i know how to win. she does not. >> whew. okay. >> i believe that was a shimmy we just saw there from the secretary. and it looked like, it seemed like she was having a genuine good time up there. >> i think it was, craig. you're absolutely right. we saw secretary clinton prepared for the debate, and she was very open about that. she had a number of mock debates. and she even prepared in the hours leading up to last night. and it showed. she was, but the optics of it all and the stage craft. that's the challenge for her because she's going up against someone who is a master at that, so you could see she put a lot of thought to how she was going to respond.
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what the split screen was going to look like and she really was taking time to think about how to get under his skin. of course, the campaign yesterday saying they were expecting a donald trump who was going to be more restrained. maybe even gracious. and she found a way to get under his skin pretty early on in the evening, and so when you saw that exchange over temperament, i think part of her reaction was to the fact there was this acknowledgment he had gotten pretty frustrated at various points throughout the night. we'll see how it plays with the independent and undecided voters. >> minus the mention of debt-free college, it did not seem as if she spent a great deal of time speaking to millennial voters, younger voters. her campaign struggles with that group specifically especially compared to how well president obama did with that group, four and eight years ago. why didn't she speak to younger voters more? >> it's a great question. you're absolutely right. younger voters were a key part of the obama coalition. and right now, she's just not get hitting the mark with them and of course, bernie sanders
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won them overwhelmingly and a lot are giving thought to third party candidates. gary johnson with 16% of millennials. she was going to focus on college affordability, climate change and of course, jobs. those are the types of issues that resonate with younger voters and she didn't spend a lot of time talking about those themes. so i think there's room for her in these coming two debates to try to focus more on that, if she wants to reach out to the younger voters. one more point, craig, the issue of trade. on her heels in that question. she had that concise answer about her e-mails, . i think in the coming debates, she'll work on sharpening her response in the debate. >> kristen welker, thank you. former two term governor, edwin dow and spokesman for ted cruz's campaign. good to see you. let me start with you.
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i'll ask you both the same question, but ed, how did each of them do? >> i think hillary clinton did great. she was almost flawless. she was pitch perfect. she handled the split screen very well. she smiled, which i said, she should do less. criticism when she fismiled. she looked like she was having fun ask t fun. she had 30 years of doing nothing, she should have cited eight years of bill clinton with 8 years of growth. >> i thought she mentioned that. >> not very well when he was at the beginning and stop and frisk, she should have said bill bratton, the immensely respected police commissioner, said stop and frisk wasn't a factor in reducing violent crime. and that is as good a third party validator asi you can fin.
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but did well. donald trump did okay on some of the economy. but he handled the split screen terribly. he looked awful. he didn't sound good. there was a lot of coughing and sneezing. she didn't seem comfortable. he didn't seem at ease and some answers were ludicrous, politically. you don't say to people that you enjoy not paying taxes because it's smart. you don't say to people declaring bankruptcy is business. the way he handled the nuclear question itself was a disqualifier in my judgment. so i want to say, i've been wrong almost every time in the last 15 months, so i could be wrong again but if hillary clinton doesn't go up in the polls, i'd be amazed. >> rick, your take on last night? >> well, donald trump started out very strong and painted hillary clinton into the status quo box and got her tripped up on tpp, somewhere she has no room to go with her base.
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but then just seemed to run out of steam and the more he ran out, the more incoherent he got, answers got worse. he interrupted. body language was terrible. split screen. the more it went on, the more fun it looked like she was having. so i'd have to give it to hillary in a strong way. >> rick, one of the things that struck me last night and especially this morning, peter just alluded to it, he didn't mention benghazi. nothing on the clinton foundation. only brought up the e-mails because she put him on the defensive over the taxes. no basket of deplorables. nothing on immigration. he didn't even talk about mexico paying for the wall. >> and he didn't talk about the supreme court, one of his biggest points for conservatives. >> why not? >> he just seemed to miss every single opportunity that was given to him. and instead, he just got, she nailed the birther issue to the forehead and he now owns it. lucky for him, that may not come up but i think his tax returns will. >> you mentioned the trade
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stuff, governor. i want to play just a bit of the exchanges toward the beginning of the debate. here it is. >> now, you want to approve transpacific partnership. you were totally in favor of it. then you heard what i was saying and said, i can't win that debate but you know that if you did win, you would approve that and that will be almost as bad as nafta. nothing will top nafta. >> that is just not accurate. i was against it once. it was negotiated. and the terms were laid out. i wrote about that in. >> you called it the gold standard of trade deals. you said it's the finest deal you've ever seen. and then you heard what i said and then you were against it. >> we're going to fact check that exchange in a bit, but governor, how should she be answering that question? he's clearly speaking to voters in ohio and michigan. how should the secretary answer that question in the future? >> a lot more crisply.
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as she did, 95% of the world's population live outside of the united states. we can't ignore those markets. it would be economically insane to do that and the trade agreements should be fair to americans, should be protective of the environment, should have wage parity, all those things. and sure those are in any trade agreement we sign going forward. >> last thing. last night, rick, we saw this and we've heard this a number of times. this idea that secretary clinton doesn't have the, quote, stamina to be president. here it was. >> earlier this month, you said she doesn't have, quote, presidential look. she's standing here right now. what did you mean by that? >> she doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina. i said she doesn't have the stamina. and i don't believe she does have the stamina. to be president of this country, you need tremendous stamina. >> well, as soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates
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a peace deal, a cease-fire, a release of disso dandance or sp 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina. >> the world. >> there's some debate prep guy in clinton camp who is going, yes! that was a rehearsed answer. you can't dispute that. but why continue to talk about her stamina? who is the audience there? >> she put that away the same way ronald reagan put away the age issue. the question, whether she was healthy but the only one who lost stamina was donald trump. she looked good all the way through and then she had the energy to keep going. i think she just nailed that and put it to bed. >> good to see both of you.
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thank you. >> thanks, craig. it's a day after the presidential debate. it's time to separate fact from fiction. >> we don't have the mey because it's been squandered on so of your ideas. >> and maybe because you haven't paid any federal income tax for a lot of years. >> i think i did a great job and service not only for the country but for the president in getting him to produce his birth certificate. >> secretary clinton? >> the return of the birther conspiracy. taxes. true, truish, or pants on fire lying? politifact joins us next.
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maybe he doesn't want the american people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal
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taxes because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. >> as soon as the audit's finished, it will be released, but you'll learn more about donald trump going down to the federal elections where i filed a 104 page, essentially, financial statement of sorts, the forms that they have. >> donald trump and hillary clinton tangling over taxes last night. the first presidential debate. who was right, who was wrong? let's turn to our friends at politifact, the pulitzer price winning objective unbiassed group we turn to for this sort of matters. they put several statements through the truth-o-meter. erin shah rakman is with us. how did you rate both statements starting with donald trump? >> sure.
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donald trump was trying to make the claim that the federal election disclosure is better than a tax return. that's out and out false. tax return tells a couple of important details. number one. charitable giving. number two, effective tax rate. number three, did you pay income tax? the fec disclosure does none of that. that claim is false. hillary clinton's claim wasn't much better. she claimed if you look at the tax returns and what we know about donald trump, he hasn't paid any income tax. she's looking at two years from the 1970s. we actually have five years of information and three of those five years from the 1970s, he did pay income taxes. so hillary clinton here is stretching the truth. the last point about this, even in these cases, we didn't see the true tax returns. we're just seeing reports of the tax defers by regulators. >> the birther issue came up.
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look at that exchange. >> they were pressing a jury hard. she failed to get the birth certificate. when i got involved, i didn't fail. i got him to give the birth certificate. >> how did you rate that statement? >> this is one he's doubling down on. it's false. it's inaccurate. he's making the claim again that the 2008 hillary clinton campaign was pressing this birther notion. offered two specific points of evidence. one, he said an omission from hillary clinton's then campaign manager in 2008 to wolf blitzer, she admitted nothing and all she said is that county level employee who forwarded an e-mail was immediately fired once they found out about it and the second piece of information, essentially, a reporter's recollection that an interaction he had with sidney blumenthal and e-mails suggest that the reporter signed of misremembered that exchange, suggesting that they go on a hunt in kenya to try to find whether or not
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barack obama was born there. that was not the specific target of the exchange, based on the evidence we have. so it's not a movement pushed by the clinton campaign anyway. it remains false on the truth-o-meter. >> taking claim with something about the housing collapse as well. take a look. >> donald was one of the people who rooted for the housing crisis. he said back in 2006, gee, i hope it does collapse because then i can go in and buy some and make some money. well, it did collapse. >> did donald trump say that? >> he sure did. that claim, we gave it a mostly true on the truth-o-meter. donald trump's word coming back to haunt him. it happened several times during the debate. he wasn't rooting for the economic collapse and all the heartbreak that would go on with homeowners losing their homes but said, i'm in a good position if housing prices drop, because
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i have money and i could buy assets. so from a business, he could prosper so mostly true. >> the scorecard when it comes to the 13 statements that you guys analyzed? was there a candidate that was clearly telling the truth more often than another? >> yeah. we fact checked hillary clinton seven times and donald trump six times. the difference is stark based on the early truth returns, if you will. hillary clinton had three truth statements among her seven fact checks. zero false statements. and donald trump had three false statements among his claims. so the tally now certainly favors hillary clinton now. i'll admit, we are again, back at it this morning. we'll have more fact checks and look at stop and frisk and figuring out if donald trump was the reason hillary changed on tpp. a lot more come bug ting but hi clinton has the advantage. >> aaron, i encourage folks to
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look at your site, politifact. we'll see you after next debate. house speaker paul ryan was just asked about last night's debate performance and here's what he had to say. >> here's what i saw last night. i saw hillary clinton give a polished well rehearsed defense of the status quo and donald trump gave a spirited voice to those of us who don't like the status quo and emerging the potential for what a unified republican government can get you, which can be a solution in the big pressing problems. i'm not going to get into who said what on some talk show. but what i saw was a defense of the status quo, which americans do not want, and i see an opportunity to get us on a better path. >> temperament? >> on that, you talked 20 minutes about trade and nafta. fact checked the position.
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again, did you see? >> i don't know if i would say that. look, i've already made my comments. the constitutional due process importance for the rights. with respect to trade, what he's said consistently is he wants good trade deals. we want good trade deals too and make sure the trade deals with get are those in best interest for our country and that's something we share. >> mr. speaker, your advice to donald trump over the weekend was to overprepare for the debate. did you think he successfully prepared? >> i think this debate, people met their expectations. and i think hillary gave a very polished, well rehearsed status quo and donald trump gave a unique donald trump response to the status quo. i think he gave a spirited argument and i think he passed a number of thresholds that show
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for what was, 90 minutes, for 90 minutes, he could go toe to toe with hillary clinton. >> last question? >> you bet. >> comments on the tpp in the house. >> sure. we don't have the votes for tpp because i think the administration failed to get the right kind of agreement in a couple of critical areas and therefore, i don't think it's in our interest with particular sense to our allies to bring up an agreement we don't have the votes for. they have to fix this agreement. and i don't think that happened. thank you. >> there you have it. house speaker paul ryan just a few moments ago on capitol hill defending the party's nominee for president, the performance last night, though stopping short of saying he felt donald trump was adequately prepared. he said, she said. donald trump and hillary clinton sparring over trade, jobs, and who's responsible for this country's debt? >> for 30 years, you've been doing it and now you're just
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starting to think of solutions. i will bring, excuse me, i will bring back jobs. you can't bring back jobs. >> well, actually, i have thought about this quite a bit. >> for 30 years. >> well, not quite that long. >> we'll talk to the trump campaign on the other side of the debate and post-debate polling gives hillary clinton a win. why is #trumpwon trending this morning? did she gain ground she needs with the millennials? we'll talk to a clinton campaign insider who was there to witness all the action live.
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i think i did a great job, did a great service, not only for the country, but even for the president in getting him to produce his birth certificate. >> secretary clinton? >> well, just listen to what you heard. and clearly, as donald just admitted, he knew he was going to stand on this debate stage and lester holt was going to be
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asking us questions, so he tried to put the racist birther lie to bed, but it can't be dismissed that easily. >> hillary clinton and donald trump in the battle over the birth certificate. even cortes is a trump campaign surrogate and a member of national hispanic advisory council. thank you for being with me. >> thanks for having me, craig. >> blaming the birth certificate on the 2008 clinton campaign. it's been rated false by politifact. it's been rated false a number of times by other groups as well. last night, we saw him take credit for having the president show the birth certificate. why? steve? and here's the thing, clinton just motnoted, he had to have kn the question was coming, so was he not prepared or his answer just that bad? >> well, you know, craig, i
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think it's neither. i think he was prepared, but i would take issue with politifact. not so much to patty but to mark penn, the chief strategist, we have a memo in writing where he, his internal memo to hillary clinton and the entire campaign, they wanted to highlight the fact that barack obama was, quote, not fundamentally american. but, you know, also, craig, this is ancient history, done and gone. donald trump, i wish he'd never gone down the birther path. he did. but not since the campaign started, the press is obsessed with this and the media keeps digging at this. he's not in this entire campaign brought it up by his own volition. >> steven. steven. i think we can both agree when you're running to become president of the united states, and you don't believe that the current president was born here, that's an issue that should be discussed. that's something, when you've got a guy who wants to lead the free world, and the guy now was
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maybe born in africa, that's something we should spend some time on. >> but craig, he put that to bed. unequivocally, the president is an american. we all know this is a fact. now. now can we move on to the pressing problems with economic growth? i was glad that donald trump led with that last night. i think he's speaking directly to the american worker, to the forgotten workers out there, people left behind, who aren't participating in this economy the way they want to right now. so i think jobs are on their minds, not birth certificates or his taxes. but their taxes, not his. so i think he spoke forcefully to those people. >> this is something that conservative columnist john wrote in the "new york post" this morning. donald trump supporters should be furious with him and so should the public in general. by performing this incompetently and refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, he displayed
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nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far. was he sufficiently prepared last night, steven? >> you know, i think he was, look, he has shown us through 12 primary debates he is a natural at this and even though he hasn't been doing it for decades like hillary clinton or a lifelong politician at all. he's still a private citizen and hopes he becomes a politician in november as our president, but i think the fact he was able to step up to the stage and look presidential to the country and act presidential, i think it matters and you know what, he can have the opinion as the columnist. i care more about what the american people think and most polling, your sister network has a large online poll and almost a million respondents. two-thirds believe donald trump won the debate. i care more about what they think. >> i can't speak to that. but no mention of the basket of deplorables, no mention of the clinton foundation or no mention of benghazi or the ties to wall
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street and the money she's made off speeches. why not? those are themes that are popular with your base, and he didn't bring them up. he didn't even talk about the wall last night. >> and craig, listen, i think our candidate did very, very well but i'm with you on that and i will concede that point to you, we did not mention benghazi. that's a problem. >> if he was sufficiently prepared, steven, if he was as prepared as you say he was, why not bring up any of those points? perhaps, he wasn't prepared? >> well, no, two reasons. number one, he will. we've got two more debates and i think in both cases, relatively polite in this debate. i suspect the second one won't be so but the second thing, i really believe and lester holt is a journalist and i respect him. i watched him when he was a smaller reporter in chicago, and i think he was incredibly unfair last night. he asked really pointed questions to donald trump on the most controversial subjects you could possibly conjure about donald trump, and he did not
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resr reciproca reciprocate. i believe trump was debating two people. and that's one of the reasons he wasn't able to surface some of the items. >> i take issue with that as i'm certain that you could understand for a variety of reasons, but if donald trump can't handle lester holt, i don't know how you can expect that donald trump would be able to handle other leaders around the world. >> sure. >> well, i think he can handle him, and i think he did. and according to the people in most polls, he won the debate last night. and i think he's winning the election. we're polling extremely well lately. what he did and particularly at the beginning of the debate, again, it was speak directly to the anxiety of the american people. there's tremendous economic angst. hillary clinton stands for status quo. if you think things are fine, i would tell you, probably hillary clinton is your candidate. if you don't think they're fine, if you think we could be more
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secure. >> not to interrupt you but show viewers at home, hillary clinton here on the tarmac there about to hop her plane heading down to north carolina. she's headed to raleigh, north carolina, for a campaign event in just a few hours. we thought, perhaps, she might take some questions there on the tarmac, that did not happen, but again, you could see the democratic nominee getting ready to head down to the tar hill state. the battleground state, of course, andrea mitchell is with her, and we will bring that to you in just a bit. really quickly, before i let you go, donald trump mentioned last night he wanted to go after bill clinton, but he held back. take a look. >> i was going to say something extremely rough to hillary, to her family, and i said to myself, i can't do it. i just can't do it. it's inappropriate, it's not nice. i'm very happy i didn't mention's bill's indiscretion,
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it's not out of bounds but in honor of chelsea. >> if he brings it up in the second or third debate, is that fair game, going after bill clinton's past? we lost him. did we lose him? okay. we'll try to get an answer at some point here, next time he's on. let's hear from the clinton campaign now. congressman adam chip, hillary clinton surrogate in the post-debate spin room last night and if we get him back, i want to get that question back to him. let me ask you that question. is the clinton family at all fair game, congressman? >> i think you could take issue if donald trump wants to with the policies of the clinton administration. i don't think that's to be tr fruitful and people realize we had unparalleled economic prosperity, but if he wants to get into the muck, i think
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people will be, will recoil from that and i urge secretary clinton to do what michelle obama has said and that is, if donald trump goes low, she should go high. >> he may have had his best moment off the top of that debate when he went after secretary clinton on tpp. take a look. >> you called it the gold standard. you called it the gold standard of trade deals. the finest deal you've ever seen, and then you heard what i said about it, and all of the sudden, you were against it. >> donald, i know you live in your own reality, but that is not the facts. the facts, i hoped it would be a good deal. >> congressman, politifact has noted this and so have others. she did call the tpp, quote, the gold standard. she said that. why is her answer not better when it comes to trade questions? >> well, look. i think trade is a very difficult issue, not just for secretary clinton, but it is, as you could see, from the view you
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played earlier, a tough one for paul ryan, a champion of the deal. but i think the secretary has made clear she's opposed to tpp as the secretary says in working for the president. she tried to help in the negotiation of the agreement and ultimately, decided it wasn't good enough, not much more you could say on the subject except that she has a broader vision and articulate where she could see trade playing into that, how it has to be fair and there are broader issues including what will the the candidates dcandid creation of new jobs and tax policy, on those issues, i think she was sarong latrong last nig may have started out with a good issue but not the discipline or preparedness to stick to any particular theme and by the end of the debate, it was hard to tell what was his message. he was really mostly flailing, and i think, you know, the ultimate goal that he had of appearing presidential is one that he was unable to succeed
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with. >> hillary clinton, as you know, struggled a bit with millennial voters. these younger voters. just last month, she had a 29 point margin. and you could see it there. voters under the age of 35, it's now a 10 point margin. mentioned the debt-free college last night. it did not seem as if she spent a great deal of time talking about issues that would resonate with younger voters. why not? >> i think a lot of what she talked about in the contrast will resonate with the millennial voters. what she talked about in terms of what donald trump said about climate change, the denial of climate change, her comments about free public education, so that people aren't barred because they can't afford it going on to higher ed. these do resonate. more than that, i think millennials, seeing donald trump still double down on this birther stuff. all of these kind of racist positions and views of his
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articulated are deeply repellent to millennials so i think the challenge is not winning them over in the debate. i think she did that. the challenge is motivating people to turn out on election day and there's a very high bar. president obama, when he ran, was young. he was hip. i think he had a connection. >> are you saying she's not hip? >> she's maybe not as hip as barack obama, but then who is? he's pretty extraordinary when it comes to being able to fit in with millennials much his junior. so motivating the young people is enormously importantly and i think she did and said the right things and donald trump helped a great deal last night but i think the campaign wisely sin vesti, is investing in a real ground effort. >> polls have been tightening nationally. they've been tightening in some key swing states. ohio, colorado, florida. you guys spent well over $100
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million. that does not include all of the money that's been spent by groups that align themselves with your campaign. why aren't you guys doing better? why are the polls as tight as they are? >> i think the days where the candidate could run away with an election are behind us. we are, for better or worse, a politically divided country, and presidential races recently and in the future, i think, are going to be very close. i think as a result of the debate, votes that are tuning in, really in a serious way for the first time, are going to move in secretary clinton's direction. people who were flirting with the idea of supporting a third party candidate will recognize, she's a great choice. i think that will solidify her support. i think we'll see some of the trend we saw after the democratic convention but i really think, craig, gone are the days when we'll have blowout presidential elections. we're just too politically
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divided a nation. >> all right. congressman adam shiff. thank you for your time. >> thanks, craig. hillary clinton and donald trump getting right back on the campaign trail today. a live look there. that's the white plains new york airport code hpn for those of you keeping track at home. secretary clinton getting ready to head to raleigh, north carolina. just a few moments from now, a campaign event and donald trump we'll take you there live next. >> hundreds of millions of ads and the only gratifying thing, i saw the polls in today and with all of that money, over $200 million spent and i'm either winning or tied and i spent practically nothing. it does exist! you still have two cheese wishes left. when you ache and haven't you're not you. tylenol® pm relieves pain
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find your rhythm and keep on grooving. ♪ let's groove tonight. ask your doctor about toujeo®. ♪share the spice of life. ♪♪ no, i'm scheduling time to go oto the bank to get a mortgage. ugh, you're using a vacation day to go to the bank? i know, right? just go to let's listen to hillary clinton talking to reporters. >> middle class economic policies, economic family policies that i've been talking about throughout this campaign to all the viewers who tuned in. i felt so positive about it, and one of the thoughts that popped in my head was, you know, one of my favorite baseball players growing up, bernie banks, used to get excited about playing saying, let's play too.
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so i'm looking forward to the next debate and then the one after that. >> what do you think were the most critical moments last night? >> i think viewers got a real chance to begin to compare us on policy, policy gets lost a lot of the time in coverage with the back and forth, it goes on. and laying out my plan for strong growth and fair growth and dealing with family economic issues and debt free college with no real response, no real offer coming from my opponent. the tax plans that we've put forth are so different and his would explode the deficit and debt and it would be a huge gift to the wealthiest of americans including him and his own family. and i think that all began to come into focus for people. >> what about the way he kept interrupting and the way he
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answered the question about gender. do you think women would react to that? >> well, i think his demeanor, his temperament, his behavior on the stage could be seen by everybody and people can draw their own conclusions. and i thought on several occasions, he was making charges and claims that were demo demonstrably untrue and a lot of people would find offensive and offputting. he can represent himself how he chooses but the real point is about temperament and fitness and qualification, to hold the most important, hardest job in the world and i think people saw last night some very clear differences between us. >> secretary clinton, are you
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concerned that donald trump will not show up for the next debate? >> i'm going to show up. he gets to decide what he's going to do. but i will be there at wash u in st. louis and then after that in las vegas. if i'm the only person on stage, well, i'm the only person on stage. >> donald trump said he showed great restraint last night and he could have gone after you and your husband for personal matters. >> i say, he can run his campaign however he chooses. and, you know, i will continue to talk about what i want to do for the american people. lay out specific plans with very clear goals in mind to help us deal with all the challenges we face. i'm excited about where we are in this country. he talks down america every chance he gets. he calls us names. he calls us a third world country. he talks in such dire and dark terms. that's not who america is.
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we are the best problem solvers in the world. our diversity is a strength. i am excited about helping to pull our country together, set some big goals on infrastructure and advanced manufacturing and clean energy to take on climate change, which by the way, is not a hoax made up by the chinese, and do everything i've talked about. and you should know by now when i set my mind on something, i keep going, i don't quit. whatever the static, let it in and i'll do it for the american people and looking forward to it. thank you. >> anybody who complains about the microphone is not having a good night. >> the democratic nominee for president taking a few questions and you heard at the end there, secretary alluding to the
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microphone. we heard last night, this morning, there had been some complaining over donald trump's microphone saying perhaps there was a sort of problem. secretary clinton saying that was evidence that he wasn't having a very good night. you also heard her saying she is very much looking forward to the next debate as well. she said in north carolina, donald trump heading down to florida. we will go to florida in a bit. right now though, hillary clinton and donald trump last night sparred over among the things he sparred over, trump's treatment of those who work for him. >> we have an architect in the golf courses and you wouldn't pay what the man needed to be charged. >> maybe he didn't do a good job and i was unsatisfied with his work. >> that architect was in the room last night and let's start
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with the claim there from mr. trump. was the work not good? >> well, it was certainly, it's a project that i am very proud of to this day, and i think mr. trump was very pleased with it when it was completed as an architectural project. he wrote glowing recommendation letter and made many flattering remarks about the building. so i found it key that he indicated in his remarks last night the word, well, maybe that architect hadn't done a great job. >> that's a copy of the letter. >> that's a copy of the letter he wrote, mr. trump wrote on behalf of my firm's effort. >> give me a snippet from the letter, if you can. >> mr. tesoro is a fine architect with imagination and spirit. the clubhouse has a magnificent
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stone and glass exterior. he goes on to describe the building. it has magnificent porches. i recommend to anyone who may need the services of a topnotch architect. >> at one point, he thought you did a good job. >> that was in 2006. that letter was written and that was just after the project was completed, so. >> did he pay you on time? >> no, he didn't. he paid partially on the way, and then the project snowballed over a four-year period. and our role in the project snowballed as well. we became very much involved in interior design and construction stage work. we made several supplemental agreements as we went along and
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many of those agreements at the end were not honored. >> do they still owe you money and how much? >> i would not expect to be paid at this point, ten years later. mr. trump had his chance ten years ago to pay his bill. it was a considerable sum of money in excess of $100,000 that we were left short at the end of the project. >> have you ever, since then, talked to him face to face? >> i spoke, you say since then. during that final round of discussions, he and i met. and he further compromised the sum of money that his organization was willing to pay my firm. i was disgruntled but i must say that mr. trump has an amazing
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way of telling people what they want to hear, as he did with me. he gave me a reasonable assurance of future work and opportunities that would arise out of that. none of that has happened. nothing whatsoever. not even a referral. >> i should point out for viewers and listeners at home, we did reach out to the trump campaign. we are in the process of continuing to reach out to the trump campaign for comment regarding this specifically. we have not heard back. andrew tesoro, thank you for coming by. as soon as i heard the exchange last night, i wanted to get you in here and hear your side of the story. did you enjoy the debate at least? >> i did enjoy the debate, and, you know, i just don't think that mr. trump should be the president. i think he should stay in the real estate business. >> andrew tesoro, we'll leave it
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can go in and buy some. well, it did collapse. >> that's called business. >> donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. and yes, i did. and you know what else i prepared for? i prepared to be president. and i think that's a good thing. >> and before they could utter their final words, the spin was in. >> there was no knockout punch by hillary clinton. she needed to force him to make a huge mistake that would be the headline this morning and did not. >> i think that was a disastrous debate. >> nobody liked president obama's performance in the first debate. i remember. >> i'm tamron hall live from msnbc headquarters in new york. we're getting things started with preliminary numbers out, moments ago, regarding how many people watch the debate. we're expected to see around 100 million. that's the early estimates on the number of folks who tuned in for th


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