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monday night repeating it over and over again like an episode of "the twilight zone." well, that's the diary with 40 days until the election. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> he can run his campaign however he chooses. >> 40 days until the election, trump hones his message on the proper weight of beauty contestants. >> i saved her job because they wanted to fire her for putting on so much weight. >> why the campaign's counterpunch may do them more arm. >> every time a woman would come along and say bill clinton did something to her who was the biggest attacker of that woman? then how voters feel about trump's personal tax policy. >> if not paying taxes makes him smart, what does that make the rest of us? plus, trump backers cling to trade as his best debate moment. >> we have to renegotiate our trade deals, and lester, they're taking our jobs.
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>> but does his actual proposal on trade make any sense? and why this moment -- >> name one foreign leader that you respect and look up to. anybody. >> -- should not be what surprises you most about gary johnson. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. 40 days until the election of the next president. the most powerful and consequential position on the planet. one of the two people condemning for the job cannot stop himself from pursuing a personal vendetta against a woman we once humiliated for gaining weight. not only did donald trump walk straight into the trap hillary clinton set at monday's debate, baiting him with a story of alicia machado, former miss universe who says trump called her miss piggy and other insulting names, now three days later he's still refusing to let the story die. machado may be a private citizen, and trump running to be president of the united states, that's not restraining him from lashing out. >> you have anything further to
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say on this miss universe thing? >> no, not much. look, i hardly know this person. she did not do well. she had a lot of difficulties. and, you know, they wanted to fire her. i had nothing to do with this person but they wanted to fire her. i saved her job because i said that's going to be ruined. i've done that with a number of the young ladies where i saved their job, but the staff, itself, and you know what happened? look what i get out of it. a lot of things are coming out about her. i'm not going to say anything. i couldn't care less. >> no good deed goes unpunished. it's the same way trump conducted his feuds with the khan family and judge gonzalo curiel. imagine for a moment what that might look like for the full force of the bully pulpit and government at his disposal. for now, trump has former house speaker newt gingrich who addressed the controversy during a speech last night. >> not supposed to gain 60 pounds when you're miss universe.
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meanwhile -- proves i'm not being sexist. >> so trump campaign surrogates are litigating the appropriate amount of weight for a beauty pageant contestant to gain. it's not the media, not then clintons and allies but republican candidate for president and top surrogates. for the record, not that it's at all material, trump appears to have exaggerated machado's weight gain. cbs posted an interview. >> alicia has turned out to be one of the great miss universes, i will say. she had a little problem during the middle where she gained weight. >> i don't think so. i don't think so. >> do you not think it's important to maintain a certain look during that year? >> yes, of course, but i think all women in the world have a problem with weight. >> right. >> and i think maybe i had some problem with it, but i'm fine
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now. and i think 15 pounds is nothing with 20 years old. >> "new yorker" just released its cover for next week. donald trump, his face a bit tear stained after winning miss congeniality. the trump camp, how their candidate facing charges of sexism, resisted brings up bill clinton's sexual history. gingrich did it again today. >> i'm sure he said to himself, "a president of the united states shouldn't attack somebody personally when their daughter is sitting in the audience." and he bit his tongue and he was a gentleman and i thought in many ways that was the most important moment of the whole evening. he proved that he had the discipline to remain as a decent guy even when she was disgusting. >> now, trump's campaign is trying to deflect from the machado story by bringing up bill clinton's infidelities at every opportunity and somehow tieing them to hillary clinton's moral character. nbc news obtained an internal memo with talking points on the
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new strategy. "mr. trump has never treated women the way hillary clinton and her husband did when they act ifly worked to destroy bill clinton's accusers. trying to present herself as some sort of a feminist champion is a joke. are you blaming hillary for those infidelities? no, however, she's been an active participant in trying to destroy the women who have come forward with the claim." the past 36 hours since they were sent around, trump's top staff and surrogates have put the talking points to good use. >> it's fair game to think about how hillary clinton treated those women after the fact. >> it's amazing when you hear her talk about sexism and these various claims which are ridiculous, aside from obviously bill, her husband, being the worst that's ever lived. >> every time a woman would come along and say that bill clinton did something to her, who was the biggest attacker of that woman? >> hillary! >> and she's a feminist? >> we have these three men, all of them married three times, none appearing in a calendar any
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time soon, judging the parameters of physical fitness and marital fidelity. taking questions from reporters today, hillary clinton responded to the trump campaign's new strategy. >> he can run his campaign however he chooses. that's -- that's up to him. i'm going to keep talking about the stakes in this election. i'm going to keep talking about my agenda. >> i'm joined by msnbc contributor katie packer, former deputy campaign manager for mitt romney in 2012, founder of an anti-trump superpac. katie, i know you sort of spent some time looking into thinking about testing how particularly sort of swing voter women, republican women, react to the kind of line of attack on hillary clinton based on bill's behavior and what's your sense of how that works? >> well, what we found with the women that we looked at, this was obviously prior to the primaries in an effort to help the republican ticket, we found that while this is kind of candy for republican primary voters, and they really want to punish
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hillary clinton for her comments about the vast right-wing conspiracy, that with swing women, soft republican women, soft democrat women, they really reject this. and they really reject the notion that he somehow has some responsibility for her husband's impropriety and infidelities and they also kind of give her a free pass even for going on the attack. you know, focus groups, we talk to these women and they say things like, well, who wouldn't attack a woman that participated in that with their husband? and so they don't really look at this as something that is something that she has to answer for in the context of a presidential campaign. so in addition to just being a tackty, classless thing to do, it's just bad strategy. >> yeah, i also, i mean, there's that part of it, too, and also the degree to which, you know, i was thinking about bengie, my colleague, had a good treweet storm, he said look, trump people are mad at me this story keeps developing day three, day four, why are you and the media
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pursuing it? his point, which i think is right, if donald trump said look, this woman and i had our differences years ago, i wish her the best, that's it. like newt gingrich, no one is telling newt gingrich he has to go up and make a joke about how much weight she gained. no one is telling anyone they have to talk about this. donald trump raised this the next morning apropos of nothing on "fox & friends" because he can't let anything go. >> well, absolutely, and perhaps melania trump is an exception, but every woman in america has either thought of themselves as fat or is fat. and hopes that nobody notices. and to have somebody publicly humiliate you when you've gained 15 pounds, you know, and you've just recently won the miss universe contest, i mean, she's obviously a stunning woman to have won a contest like that. i mean, it makes most women sit back and go, well my gosh, if that's the standard that we all have to live up to and our daughters have to live up to, you know, how can any of us compete? >> you know, it strikes me, too, we're in this situation where we
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have the first woman major party nominee, the possible first woman president. she's also incredibly polarizing figure. she's been a public figure for many years. people have very built up opinions about who hillary clinton is. and i wonder how much -- just, you know, we know that right now, the kind of battlefield of the election largely is white women, particularly white college educated women. how -- what message do you think would work with them? >> well, what we have found over and over again is that the message that she's most vulnerable on is this issue of trust. >> right. >> you know, she shot herself in the foot with, you know, the findings of her homegrown server, and her refusal to disclose all these e-mails and perhaps even the destruction of e-mails, and, you know, the stuff with the clinton foundation presents real vulnerabilities for her and the sense that she's always got something to hide. the american people do have sort of a predisposition that this is
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somebody that's very secretive. she's willing to not be truthful in order to protect her secrets. and that's the place that they should be going. that's where her vulnerabilities lie. all of this nonsense with regard to whether or not she's a feminist icon, and whether or not, you know, she's responsible for her husband's infidelities, it's just a losing strategy, frankly. >> all right. katie packer, thank you very much. joining me now, michelle goldberg, columnist for slate, and maria teresa kumar, president and ceo of voter latino, msnbc contributor. maria, let me start with you. i guess i sometimes feel -- the obama campaign, it became the case that in some ways it was very difficult to separate race from any of the politics that happened around barack obama. and continued to be the case for his presidency. and sometimes i feel like that's the place we're at in terms of gender and hillary clinton, that it's just, you can't come up with the a version of hillary clinton, attacks on hillary clinton, politics of hillary
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clinton that don't in some fundamental way turn on the fact she's trying to be the first woman president and this moment seems like that being made explicit. >> what she did is basically owned it and exposed the narrative that trump has basically perpetrated and that is that if you're not attract if and not pretty, he doesn't want you to be part of his team. "the l.a. times" recently did a piece where he could go and visit the golf courses in los angeles and if there was a waitress that wasn't good looking basically he'd say, fire her, right? so it's almost -- she's basically bringing -- basically bringing his vulnerabilities to light and saying, look, in order for her to win, she has to bring in more republican or independent women that may not feel completely comfortable with her but saying, look, look at the contrast. he failed miserably on that debate because hae debate because he was trying to bring in college educated white men and republican women by saying, hey, look, i'm not as sexist and racist as everybody thinks i am but basically said,
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shoot, i messed up. >> i find people's desire, the right's desire to go after hillary clinton in this way, like, this weird psychodrama of we're not talking about it, we're talking about it, we're so salivating it talking about it. >> there was a moment, remember, in the spring when he was starting to go there, they were talking about it a lot, they telegraphed there was going to be a presentation on bill clinton's sexual history at the republican national convention. then they dropped it i assume because one of their advisers told them exactly what katie packer said, she found in her focus groups, which is that, you know, a fderom hard right partisans, women really don't like seeing hillary clinton blamed for bill clinton's infidelities. so they, you know, so they went in other directions but he just couldn't let it go. and my theory is that he sees this despite all evidence as kind of the nuclear option against hillary clinton. >> right. >> because he divides the world into women he wants to sleep with, and women he doesn't want to sleep with. and thinks that everybody else on some level does as well.
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and so there's kind of no better way to undermine a woman than to prove that she is sexually undesirable which is what brin s sing up, it's both why he's so aggrieved about machado, right, he calls in "fox & friends" but says, she did gain weight. >> right. like i have the better part of the substance of this argument. >> then goes after hillary clinton. the thing about her enabling is just a smoke screen. >> right, of course. >> he wants to have everybody reminded of the fact that this woman was kind of -- and to him, that is the ultimate kind of delegitimatization. >> maria, you were saying something. >> no, i mean, it was just that experience of watching "fox & friends" for the first time, they're usually rooting him on. they were dead silent. they couldn't believe he was doubling down and going down this path. at the same time when you take into consideration she was 18 years old and he was 50, that discrepancy among women in particular makes you feel uneasy. you're like there's something fundamentally that you basically
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want to just push off because it just seems s so inappropriate. >> the character perspective, to me the tweet-length version is guy ran beauty contests. end of story. >> right. >> like if you were at a party and were like, oh, yeah, my sister is dating someone new. what's he do? he runs beauty contests. you'd be like get out. we're not so much -- but the other thing about it, again, you end up getting sucked into the trivial by the sheer trivial nature of this campaign and candidacy, but to me, it's like remember what this would look like as president of the united states. constant vendettas against private citizens. constant barrages of petty vendettas pursued over and over from the bully pulpit. >> backed by the power of the nsa, backed by the military, backed potentially by america's nuclear arsenal. it's no longer a fun sideshow. it's genuinely terrifying and what totalitarian dictators do.
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>> maria? >> that's exactly right. when he went after the federal judge that was mexican-american, he basically said that imagine if i'm in the oval office, this is not going to happen again. he basically promised to undermine our checks and balances in our institutions. and i think that's one of the reasons why even fact checking within the media has been so difficult because he laid out an agenda saying that the media was going to be biased against him from the very beginning and it's finally catching up to him but it's were a very difficult task bauds he's been very good at undermining individuals that are, you know, the basis of our democracy. that is our judicial institutions in one case and our media that actually make sure that people are held accountable. >> you end up in a situation where you're talking about personality traits of this individual which, you know, a total lack of restraint. complete inability to admit wrong or fault or to apologize and absolutediscipline. we're not talking about paid sick leave. >> right. >> at the same level, it's like those things are going to matter
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a tremendous amount in the person that occupies the most powerful office in the world. >> well, it's pointless to kind of talk about donald trump's, most of the substance of his policy proposals because it's very unlikely he, himself, has actually read them. >> right. >> so, it's not -- it's the same reason that "usa today" comes out with this -- >> just now. a few hours ago. >> a disendorsement saying basically whoever you vote for, don't vote for donald trump because anything else you want to accomplish or not accomplish in politics kind of presupposes a level of basic confidence and recklessly destroying the country. that's the baseline beyond which you can't talk about policy specifics >> michelle goldberg, maria trees sta kumar, thank you very much. >> thank, chris. still to come, there's a conventional wisdom that says donald trump was the winner of the first 20 minutes of the first debate. tonight, why that conventional wisdom has big policy holes. first the tax fight trump brought upon himself after claiming not paying his taxes would make him smart. more on that after this break.
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first of all, i never said i didn't pay taxes. she said, maybe you didn't pay taxes. and i said -- >> speculation. >> -- well that would make me smart because tax is a big payment. i think a lot of people say that's the kind of thinking that i want running this nation. >> okay. >> since monday night, the trump campaign has appeared to adopt a new official position which is that not paying taxes is a clever and wise thing to do. about 30 minutes into the presidential debate, hillary clinton raised the specter that trump pays nothing in federal taxes and trump responded unapologetically, "that makes me smart." >> so you got to ask yourself, why won't he release his tax returns? and i think there may be a couple of asons. first, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. or maybe he doesn't want the american people, all of you watching tonight, to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes because the only years that anybody's ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state
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authorities when he was trying to get a casino license, and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. so -- >> that makes me smart. >> -- if he's paid -- >> instead of trump telling the american people that just like them, he payses what he owes in taxes, and nothing more, he insinuated it's smart to not -- to pay no taxes at all. a comment that according to the "washington post" caused a gasp in the hotel conference room where undecided voters in north carolina were watching the debate. still, this seems to be a rationale the trump campaign is suggesting voters can get behind. here's a trump senior economic adviser saying as much yesterday. >> if mr. trump did not pay any taxes one year, as hillary clinton, she more than insinuated, i mean, she really basically, you know, tried to plant that as a fact when it was speculation, he was right. if he didn't, most people would think he's a smart guy. he knows how to get around the system. the government is only going to waste his tax dollars anyway. rather spend that money making
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the casino nicer than giving it to these jerks. >> all right. speaking today at a rally in des moines, iowa, hillary clinton seemed to be trying out a question for her next debate against trump. >> he actually is proud of the fact that he lets everybody else pay taxes. he says that makes him smart. well, i'll tell you what, if not paying taxes makes himself smart, what does that make the rest of us? >> joining me now, rick wilgsen, senior adviviser at macmullan. conservative third party candidate for president. there were two years in 1978, 1979, gambling regulators required him to release his taxes. we know he paid nothing those years. the suspicion is there's a lot of other years he's paid nothing in federal taxes. it does seem to me like he basically has tacitly endorsed that underlying premise. >> well, it does sound that way, doesn't it, chris? i think you got a situation now where, you know, hillary clinton got under his skin the other night in this debate. by starting off talking about
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his dad loaning him money. and he started to deny this thing and when he finally said, that makes me smart, i could imagine the audible gasp in brooklyn and in the clinton spin room going, what, how, what? because it was obvious he played a big tell there. and it's also obvious that his passion for hiding his tax returns and for disguising where he borrows his money from, which we know from external sources is russian oligarchs and other sort of questionable money, and what he's hiding in terms of his actual n worth, as opposed to what he always falls back to, this financial statement, you know, which is just witch casting from what a lot of financial folks say, this is a guy who's not as rich as he says he is and that's the fundamental predicate of donald trump. his whole credibility is oh, i built this fabulous business empire that no one else believes, by the way, except trump fans so now i'll do the same thing for america. it's just not there. that's why a lot of people really have doubts that he would
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ever release his taxes even if he had a gun to the guy's head. >> that's right. the fundamental hunch, right, is that the reason he won't release his taxes isn't because it shows he pays nothing in taxes, who knows what he pays, because it will show his net worth is far, far, far, far lower than he has been boasting about. >> correct. and, you know, he said, you know, he even admitted it when he filed the fec disclosure where he said, oh, my net worth is in part -- what i feel my net worth is. that's a, god, don't you wish you could apply for a mortgage or whatever asand ai believe i' worth a million dollars today. >> since i have you here, you're in the world of professional political operatives. jason miller, professional political operative was on chuck todd's show today about polling and the bizarre gas lighting m.o. of the trump campaign. i want you to take a look. >> the polls that happened that
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night, the night of the debate, the snap polls, t ones that happened online, those all showed mr. trump winning. >> what way? what scientific poll had donald trump winning? where's the evidence -- >> there was "time," "variety." >> those are all, like, robot polling. those are not real polling -- >> chuck, we have the support of the people. >> they're not -- >> again, i understand that hillary has support from the insiders and from the media. mr. trump's -- >> i don't need -- jason, i -- you've been doing this a while. you know those are bogus all you have to do is, like, empty your history and get to vote again. they're not real, jason. >> chuck, the energy and enthusiasm of this race is all mr. trump. >> i mean, again, this is one of those things you're like, i don't care, i don't care to litigate the difference, like, it doesn't matter in any grand scheme. it only matters in that the world is the way the world is. and it does not become different, like, purely through the force of will of denial by a
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bunch of campaign flakes. >> doesing is more accurate than online polling. animal sacrifice, reading their intrails is more accurate than online polling. >> jason knows this. >> of course he does. to be in the trump bubble requires you have a separate universe you live in where you "a," always use the words mr. trump and "b," completely deny anything based on reality or fact. you know, when they say mr. trump, you're getting -- i mean, evan macmullan who i work with has 3% among african-erans. trump has 1%. okay? these are peopl who live in a fantasy bubble, but they'll go out and say, we're doing great with the blacks or the african-americans. or whatever phrase they would use in their kluclutsy way. this is a group of people who live in a fantasy bubble where donald trump does no wrong. you saw some of the reporting today on how he's, you know, requiring his surrogates to go out and say that donald trump won this debate. >> yes. >> it was a spectacular victory. >> yeah. >> this is like stalinist. >> you can see it on air all day
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today. deeply unnerving. rich wilson -- >> ridiculous. >> -- thanks for joining us. >> thanks, chris. still ahead, gary johnson's latest lapse and why that may be one of the least worrisome somethings about his campaign. plus an in-depth look at the millennial vote and why the clinton campaign is working so hard to lock it down. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting every part of it. so while the world keeps searching for healthier we're here to make healthier happen. they said a bottle was just a bottle. that no one would ever notice me. but i knew i could be more.
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that one day, i would make people smile. [woman speaking indistinctly] we let japan come in and dump everything right into our markets. it's not free trade. they come over here. they sell their cars, their vcrs. they knock the hell out of our companies. you can negotiate fair trade agreements. instead of billions and billions of dollars going out, you can reduce your taxes by having it come back in. the reason nafta looks okay now is because the economy is strong, but when the economy is
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not strong, which unfortunately will at some point happen, nafta is going to look like a disaster. you look at some of those countries like china, japan, india, they're eating our lunch. >> donald trump has been talking about trade for decades. if there is one high point in trump's disastrous debate performance, at least according to pundits and observers all the way from hugh hewitt on the right to michael moore on the left, it was when trump jousted with hillary clinton on trade. >> you go to new england, you go to ohio, pennsylvania, you go anywhere you want, secretary clinton, and you will see devastation where manufacturers down 30%, 40%, sometimes 50%. nafta is the worst trade deal maybe ever signed anywhere, certainly ever signed in this country and now you want to approve trans-pacific partnership. you called it the gold standard. >> i -- >> you called it the gold standard of trade deals. you said it's the finest deal you've ever seen. >> no. >> then you heard what i said about it and all of a sudden you were against it. >> according to debate dial meters, in which viewers express
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exactly what they like and don't like in realtime, sort of, through dial, the only area where trump made gains was on having the right approach to trade agreements. part of this has to do with the fact hillary clinton has some credibility issues on trade, herself, specifically her previous touting of the framework for tpp as secretary of state before changing her mind on it after the full agreement was finalized. part of it is trump's comparative credibility on trade, a subject as we noted, he's consistently complained about. there's one big thing missing from all of the analysis of donald trump's performance on trade. is his trade policy good? does he know what he's talking about? does it make any sense? those crucial questions are what we'll be talking about after the break. using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the middle of the city, so now everyone knows... we have some of the freshest juice in town.
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donald trump talks a lot about trade. vox's matt iglesias took time to look at his trade policy, concluding it was, quote, told nonsense, citing an economist who characterized tz a complete mess. that's not the first time trump's trade policy has been met with a rebuke from people who look at his policies. when trump gave his big trade speech in pennsylvania in late june, he cited research from a think tank, the economic policy institute. epi. the president of epi made a point of publishing a corrective trump trade speech, the trump trade scam by lawrence michelle and lawrence michelle. president of the economic policy institute joins me now. good to have you. look, you guys have been fighting this battle on trade for years. 20 30rks years in which economic -- the economic profession, deals were good, weren't doing concentrated harm
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you said they were. you've been on the right side of this in certain ways. history moved in your direction. now here comes donald trump to champion the cause of busting up trade deals. what say you? >> well, first, thanks for that acknowledgement. and good to be with you, chris. it's also important to note that it's not just donald trump, but it's also hillary clinton and bernie sanders, everybody is now agreeing that these trade deals do harm to the vast majority of america's workers. okay? and everybody's against the tpp deal that's been brought forward. so i feel like our position has been validated across the board. now, trump citing our work many times makes us very uncomfortable because nobody wanted to be associated with a bigot. but he is running what i do call as a trade scam. let me explain that. first, he brings up trade but he ends up spending most of his
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time talking about cutting corporate taxes and cutting regulation. that is actually the old tried and failed gop policies. now, if cutting taxes and cutting regulations were great for the economy, we'd all be moving to kansas where they radically cut taxes. >> right. >> we would all remember george w. bush as the prosperity president and the bush boom which we don't. okay. so what does he say about trade? well, the fact is that donald trump thinks that he's a great negotiator and he's going to do great trade deals, but no one has ever asked him and he has never specified -- >> yes. >> -- what exactly do you want. >> change. >> this is the thing that drives me nuts. look, there are things in these deals, you have to point to the specifics. the other thing is, i'm curious what you think about this, look, there are ways, the sort of, you know, the kind of -- the predisposition of economists to
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say, look, free trade and exchange makes everyone better off, which was a kind of guiding bias that i think drove the kind of washington consensus and support for these. the opposite of that is also true, like if you put up an 80% tariff on everything, started passing laws companies could not leave legally, there would be economic damage from that. you as a trade deal skeptic would concede, correct? >> yes, but the fact is that it's worse than that really, chris, because when donald trump says ford motor company won't be able to move jobs when i'm president, he has no way to do that. he has not specified what is he -- he can't pass a law that says ford motor company can't move jobs to mexico and the fact is that he's not really able to fix our problems through somehow better trade agreements. i'm with larry somers on something. if we want to have an international economic agenda, i go for a treaty, then we should be getting countries together to figure out how do we tax
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corporate incomes. >> yep. >> because there's a trillion dollars a year shifted from workers to companies every year. let's work on that. >> yeah, that's a good -- that would be apursue a quote, good deal on. there's a lot of income that's sloshing around and stench lyes being hid, and if you want to bring the world together, that would be a good thing to pursue. >> let's end the tax havens. let's all stop, you know, where companies are going to go to different countries to get the lowest corporate tax rate. they can all stop that if they want. so the other thing is, we need to look at what donald omits. he would make it seem as if workers are suffering wage stagnation solely because of trade. globalization is part of it and as you know, i've studied this for decades. but he omits many other things, and he's against things like raising the minimum wage. >> right. >> he doesn't want to strengthen unions. he wants a national right to
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work law. he now wants to raise interest rates which will slow economic growth. >> right. >> and raise unemployment. >> not no mention the majority of workers in america are in nontradeable sector, so the majority of workers are not working in sectors where their jobs are being shipped. there's a huge economic problem that lies outside of, say, manufacturing jobs going overseas and i think donald trump is successfully used that has a sort of totem to invoke for all of the economy's problems somewhat effectively but if you go read what epi is up to, you'll see that's not the whole story. lawrence mishel, thank withdrew for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. still to come the enthusiasm level among key voting demographic is in the tank. how can that affect hillary clinton ahead. first, tonight's thing one and thing two after this break.
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donald thinks that climate change is a hoax. perpetrated by the chinese. i think it's real. >> i did not. >> science is real. >> i did not say that. >> and i think -- >> i do not --
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>> i think it's important that we grip this and deal with it. >> thing one tonight, he did say that as we've shown many time, donald trump's tweet is still up where he proclaims the concept of global warming was created by and for the chinese to make u.s. manufacturing noncompetitive. in fact, he called global warming a hoax on numerous occasion, documented. donald trump isn't the only one buying into this particular conspiracy theory, a very high-stakes one i would add. it's taken hold in the republican party as a whole. and we've seen creeping conspiracyi from the most important down to the most picayune. it wasn't surprising after monday's presidential debate the conspiracy theories started rolling in. right after the debate trump speculated his microphone was defektsfective ad defektive. yesterday newt gingrich claimed he heard rumors that hillary clinton received the questions ahead of time. info wars consulted a poker champion to suggest clinton was using hand signals to communicate with moderator lester holt. today on the trail, trump came
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out and said the debate was overall a rigged deal. there's one new conspiracy theory that may tout them all. the source, alone, sounds, itself, like a conspiracy theory. that's thing two. in just 6 0 seconds. hey america, still not sure whether to stay or go on that business trip? ♪ should i stay or should i go? ♪ this fall at choice hotels,
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algorithm. it seemed to put the story to rest. until this month when a website highlighted the original video along with a new study claiming to have found the same results. that website is called sputnik news, that's right, part of the russian government controlled news agency. last night trump was peddling a debunked conspiracy theory being pushed by a russian website. before you think this was some ad lib or off hand comment by the candidate, take a look again. that line was part of donald trump's prepared remarks. a debunk but scripted conspiracy theory. narrator: adventure can be found anywhere
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libertarian gary johnson doing pretty well for a third-party candidate in a presidential election. polls show johnson with 7% support nationally with much of it coming from young voters. recent quinnipiac university poll, 29% of voters under 35 said they were backing johnson. just 2% less than supported hillary clinton. last night on msnbc johnson committed his second high-profile gaffe this month. the first was when he was asked
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about what he would do with a crisis in the besieged city of aleppo in syria and replied, "what is aleppo?" last night chris matthews asked johnson who was participating in a town hall with his running mate bill weld to name his favorite foreign leader. >> you got to do this. anywhere. any continent. canada, mexico, europe. over there. asia. south america. africa. name a foreign leader that you respect. >> i guess i'm having an aleppo moment in the former president of mexico -- >> i'm giving you the whole world. >> i know, i know. >> anybody in the world you like. anybody. pick any leader. >> the former president of mexico. >> which one? >> i'm having a brain -- >> name anybody. >> fox -- >> who's your favorite foreign leader, get him off the hook. name a foreign leader. >> he was terrific. >> he was terrific. other than those gaffes, johnson, the former republican governor of new mexico, is probably best known for his enthusiastic support of legalized marijuana. johnson openly discussed his penchant for pot though he says he no longer partakes.
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here he is in june. >> 29 years since you had a drink of alcohol. >> 29 years. >> how long since you use marijuana? >> been seven weeks. >> not that long. >> it's something that i made a decision, and i'm not casting judgment on those that do. >> johnson's stance aligns with young voters, more than two-thirds of whom support marijuana legalization. johnson holds a whole host of positions that would have far more impact for lives of a lot of millennial voters. opposes hillary clinton's push to make college free for most americans, repeal obamacare which among other things allows young people to stay on their parents' health insurance until age 26. stro supports the unfettered flow of money into politics like citizens united allowed. largely opposes regulations to combat climate change and wants to lower taxes on the rich while slashing public spending by a gargantuan amount. when we come back, we're going
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this is awesome. ♪ oh anne: you haven't seen anything yet. announcer: give your cardboard box another life. clinton campaign deployed a pair of high profile surrogates. who they hope will boost hillary clinton with young voters. they both urge young voters not to cast what would almost certainly be a protest vote or just not vote at all.
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>> here's the truth. either hillary clinton or her opponent will be elected president this year. and if you vote for someone other than hillary or if you don't vote at all, then you are helping to elect hillary's opponent. and the stakes are far too high to take that chance. >> exit polls showed president obama won 67% of voters under 30 in 2008 and 60% in 2012. in a four-way poll this month hillary was winning 48% of these voters. joining me president and ceo of the progressive group project new america who has been working to conduct polls and focus groups to better understand this cohort of voters. i guess let's start with this gap that's opened up. so there's two things happening, it seems to me. one is you're seeing polling showing they're less inclined to definitely vote this year than they were in 2012, millennials, a bigger drop-off.
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also there's more diffusion going into this sort of third party candidates. >> that's right. but i would say two things. first of all, we're seeing her catch up in a two-away ra htwo- >> when you force the choice to two-way, she's getting there, but the problem is it won't be first choice. those names will be on the ballot. >> jill stein, a number of the states she won't be, only will gary johnson. but at the end of the day, two things, you cannot capture millennials, black, brown, asian, pacific, white millennials methodologically the way we used to be able to catch voters and trends. cornell's one of the kings of methodology that actually works with millennials. but this enthusiasm gap isn't because of hillary clinton. it's because millennials want problems solved. it's about solutions, stupid. the first ran on the economy, stupid, now solutions are going to fix things. how are you going to fix things when everybody is talking about a horse race, who won or lost
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the debate. that's not what they want to win. >> but cornell, it seems to me that hillary clinton is very -- she's got a pragmatic solutions-oriented pitch and that seems to be the one really persistent gap in the democratic primary was that she got walloped by bernie sanders whose approach, i think it was fair to say, was more ideological. >> let me go back to something the first lady was hitting on in talking about the third party candidates. when you get inside the data and you look and you talk about sort of the enthusiasm level. you know he was even further down on the likelihood to vote list, those millennials that will say they'll vote for a third party candidate. they're six, seven points off. when you ask them, okay, who are your peers or are your friends likely to vote for? it even drops even further down below. they're kind of straw men for protest votes.
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>> i want to make sure i understand you. because that's an interesting point. you're saying from a methodological perspective the poll that's capturing a relatively large number of millennials saying they'll vote for johnson is fictitious votes. there is a group that won't vote who are invoking this as a principle expression, but behaviorally we don't think they're going to vote. >> or they're going to come home. >> i think that's right. when you get inside the data and you look at how far back they are on the likelihood to vote, then you ask them, not yourself but your friends or your peers, which sort of takes some of the bias out of it, you know, it's even further down. so -- and again, they're not that familiar with johnson. johnson is someone who is talking about opening up more coal plant, right? he's not someone who is in line, necessarily with these millennial voters. so a certain extent, they are hillary's votes to get, and she desperately needs to bring them
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home. where this enthusiasm gap really hits home is in the battleground states. in colorado, for example, 15% of the electorate in 2004 were under 30. 20% was under 30 in 2012. 14% of it in 2014. >> right. >> so he has a really -- she has a really harder road ahead of her if they in fact do sit home, which i think a lot of those third party candidate voters right now, they're not turning out for johnson. >> so let me jump in about colorado because i'm lucky that's where i live and where my company is based even though we do research around the country. there's a reason colorado is still not really a battleground state. it's because we're happy in colorado because it was the economy, stupid. and it was solution based. and it's not just because people are high all the time. and it's because of that we're going to see millennials -- >> you're confident that hillary clinton will win that state? >> i'm very comfortable that it's hers to lose just like the senate race is ours to win.
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it's because of what's happening in realtime and politicians are going to where voters want them to be. >> part of that -- that's an interesting idea, too, because part of what the map has sort of laid out and josh barras made this point, about states that are doing well, colorado, virginia's doing relatively well, texas is doing well in the aggregate where you see thin trump margins but states that are ascendent or feels like things are going pretty well are stronger for hillary clinton or overperforming for her. >> thank you, barack obama, right? but back to this sort of point that we're making overall is, look, hillary clinton is more in line with where these younger voters are. they do sort of pull back from labels. they do sort of pull back -- i've said it before. we got a lot of young voters who are obama voters, not necessarily democratic voters, but when you look at them on criminal justice issues, minimum
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wage, college affordability, she's the best candidate that has the best case to make to them. >> we should also be clear, of course, that millennials are not the ones that are supporting donald trump. in fact, they reject him overwhelmingly. thanks to you both. that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> thanks, my friend. >> you bet. >> thanks for joining us at home this hour. happy thursday thursd. texas used to be a swing state. it was. i swear i'm not kidding. for a long time texas was a swing state. eisenhower, of course, was a republican, eisenhower won texas narrowly the first time, then he won it comfortably the second time. then starting in 1960, the kennedy johnson years and texas swung to the democrats. eight years later 1968 texas was an absolute toss-up. the state split three ways between the democrat and the republican and

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