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deposition where he is forced to address the inflammatory comments he made about mexicans. >> have you given thought to the affects that your statement relative to mexicans and immigrants would have on tenants in your current and future projects. >> no, i didn't. i didn't at all. >> don alald trump in a setting are not used to seeing him in. we begin this hour with our top story. burning the midnight oil and taking to twitter over the criticism of his treatment of former miss universe alicia machado. hillary clinton first brought her up four days ago at the very end of that debate. clinton had been hoping to bait trump into some kind of outburst on the spot this that debate.
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she didn't quite get what she wanted. trump didn't respond in that moment, but the clinton campaign may have gotten even more than they were hoping for. trump going after machado the morning after that created a new story line and he hasn't stopped going after her ever since. again, four days later, trump saying she gained a tremendous amount of weight and saying she had a bad attitude during her year as miss universe and last night, overnight trump going much further still. he started at 3:20 in the morning eastern time tweeting any time you see a story about me or my campaign saying sources said, do not believe it. there are no sources. they are just made up. that seemed to be a reference to reports that people in the trump campaign have been frustrated both by his debate performance and decision to attack machado. that was just the start. at 5:14 a.m., he was back on twitter saying this.
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wow, crooked hillary was duped and used by my worst miss u. hillary floated her as an angel without checking her past which is terrible. then five minutesfter this. using alicia m as a pair gon of virtue shows that crooked hillary suffers from bad judgment. hillary was set up by a con. then this. 5:30 trump tweeting say crooked hillary help disgusting check out sex tape and past alicia m become a u.s. citizen so she could use her this the debate. they are tweeting about maybe in reference to a reality show that in chaddo appeared on that nbc has not verified. all of these tweets from trump overnight and i'm getting hold that hillary is at the podium. >> and hear us, but i wanted to thank them for being part of
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today's event. and i have got to recognize joshua simmons who just introduced me. he is a civics teacher at pompano beach middle school and boy, are his students lucky to have him and his enthusiasm and i want to also commend him for talking about his mother and how hard she worked and his sister who he helped to raise. we really are stronger together and that starts in families and neighborhoods and communities. what you heard from a lot of my friends who represent you starting with my great friend and former colleague, your senator bill nelson. i am looking forward to working with bill as we make sure to
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continue the progress that will move us all forward together and i sure hope florida sends some reinforcements to the senate and-elect, congressman patrick murphy! i think florida deserves a full time senator, don't you? and i want to thank my friend, someone who has worked her heart out not just for constituents, but for democrats across america. congresswoman debbie wassermann schultz! and another great friend of mine going back more years than we care to remember, i'm so pleased he is here with us. congressman hastings!
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and i know that congressman ted deutsch represents this district. he is over in israel for the funeral of a great, great man. simone perez. i want to thank ted for allf his support and hard work. you know, before i get started and really talk about everything that is at stake and what we have to do the next 39 days to make sure we win this election, i want to say a few words about the tragic passing of jose fernandez. you know, when he left cuba, he did not speak a word of english. he didn't let that stop him. he pursued his dreams. he wanted to and he became one of the best baseball players that miami has ever seen.
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he never forgot where he came from. he worked hard to give back to the community that had given so much to him. jose's life really embodied the american dream and at 24 years of age, he was just getting started. >> we will keep an eye on the podium. speaking to supporters in coral springs, florida. we expect she will address donald trump's overnight tweet storm. we will bring in casey hunt. casey hunt who is following the clinton campaign. we have just in the last hour, donald trump issuing another tweet on this subject. for those people knocking me for tweeting at 3:00 in the morning, at least you know i will be there awake to answer the call. trying to turn it into a shot at hillary clinton among the many
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criticisms donald trump getting is the fact that it was in the middle of the night. you can keep an eye on the speech. what are we expecting in terms of a further response to this? >> steve, we are expecting that she will direct us directly. her earlier event was a planned out speech and it was of her stronger together theme, know one of that she has given so far. making a positive case for her. she didn't hit trump by name, but any moment she may address this from here. that tweet that you mentioned always happening to reference that 3:00 a.m. phone call that hillary put out when she ran against barack obama in 2008. this day for the clinton campaign is a gift in their view. >> casey it sounds like she might be going into it right now. we will go back to the podium.
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>> america is in decline. i have never heard such a dark and divicive and terrible image of our country coming from someone running to be president of the united states. when he talks, i lots of times don't even recognize the country he is talking about. and why are we already great? it is not just because of the size of our economy or the size of our military. it is because of our generosity. it is because of our ingenuity and because of the diversity of our country. i think our diversity is one of our strongest assets. this morning i laid out my plan for more national service so more people of all ages can serve america. serve their communities.
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because america is great when you really strip it all down because america is good. we can't ever forget that. i have laid out specific plans about how we are going to make our country even greater. i have a book here with tim kaine, my running mate. i have this old fashioned idea if i'm asking you for your vote for president, i should tell you what i'm going to do. i shouldn't just talk in generalities and use rhetoric and never answer questions about what we can do. but to lay out how we are going to make the economy work for everyone and not just those at the top. that means new jobs. new jobs with rising incomes and
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jobs and infrastructure and advanced manufacturing and innovation and technology and yes, clean renewable energy jobs. my opponent's only infrastructure plan is to build a wall. i love that he went down to mexico and choked. he didn't even raise it. he has been telling people for months, we are going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it. he's sitting with the president of mexico and doesn't even bring it up. he found it a lot easier to insult women than to talk to the president of mexico about building a wall. i mean really. who gets up at 3:00 in the
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morning to engage in a twitter attack? against a former miss universe. i mean, he hurled as many insults as he could. really, why does he do things like that? i mean his latest twitter melt down is unhinged, even for him. it proves yet again that he is temperamentally unfit to be president and commander in chief. i have said it before and say it again. a man who can be provoked by a tweet should not be anywhere near the nuclear codes. so i'm going to keep talking about what we can do together after this election.
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getting those new jobs. i will tell you another area i want to emphasize is small business. as i said the other night, my dad was a small businessman. he made a lot of sacrifice and worked really hard to give us a good solid middle class life. i'm really proud of that. i'm sure glad he never got a contract from donald trump who stiffs people and doesn't pay his bills to people like my dad. we need to do more to get small business start and growing here in broward county, throughout south florida and across the state and beyond. so as we grow the economy, we also have to make it fairer. i want prosperity to reach
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evyone. >> hillary clinton in coral springs, florida. we suspected she might be going after donald trump about the series of overnight tweets. she did. she said it was unhinged by by his standards and he is temperamentally unfit to be president and commander in chief. let's go back to kasie hunt. you are reporting in the run up to the debate. she was armed with lines that were designed to provoke a response from donald trump. they were thinking he might respond on the spot in that debate. i don't think they expected it would be something that would play out four days after the debate. >> i think that's right. you remember how it played out. it was very much at the end of the debate and you can see that hillary clinton really wanted to find an opening to go after this particular subject. she had to take it on a tangent
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and not entirely so. it was right at the end and it has played out exactly the way the clinton campaign hope and probably better than they hoped. they had not just one news cycle, but several out of this and trump continued to make these comments. this is something and i know jacob has been doing reporting saying he was speaking to trump supporter who is said it goes too far because it is so personal. i was talking to people here in the crowd today, both men and women about this. they universally said this was something they never expected to be the subject of discussion in a presidential race. whether or not people gain weight, etc. this is something that cuts across party lines and gender lines as well. i talked to several men who said they have plenty of experience struggling with their weight and it was a human thing to worry about. this is something the clinton campaign feels really happy to continue talking about.
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we know that hillary clinton spoke on the phone to alicia machado earlier today when she was on the way to the airport earlier in the day and they talked for about five minutes or so. a press aide talked about how machado was planning to vote for hillary clinton her first time as u.s. citizen. they will be happy to talk about it for days to come, if they are able to. >> kasie hunt in the room where hillary clinton is speaking. we will keep an eye on what she is saying in that speech. we will turn to congressman jack kingston, a supporter of donald trump. a congressman. thanks for joining us. the clinton campaign wants this discussion. they are thrilled that donald trump four days after the debate is still tweet being alicia machado and still getting into a fight with her publicly. this is a winner from the trump angle.
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is he achieving anything positive by doing this? >> two things. number one as you know, if you push him, he's going to push you back. what goes on on twitter is not the message. what we have seen in michigan and new hampshire were solid proposals. if i was hillary clinton who said that barack obama gets an a plus on the economy and she wants to continue basically a third term where we have 94 million people who are unemployed or under employed. we have 43 million people on food stamps and household income fell from 57,000 to 53,000. show talks about mom and pop businesses. she has done nothing all her life but put more regulations. she never had a decent pro business rating by any group. >> congressman, you turned into
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an attack on hillary clinton. my question was you are a supporter of donald trump. why isn't he doing what you just did? instead he goes on twitter at 3:00 in the morning and 5:15 and 5:30 in the morning and says inflam fory things. if you are wondering why nobody is talking about those things, he is talking about a sex tape on twitter. >> part is he is a nonpolitical person. he hasn't spent his in politics. hillary clinton started running for president in 2007 and before that senate and before that helping her husband with the gubernatorial and presidential race. she is and should be more disciplined. donald trump is a businessman and came into this.
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>> i can imagine a voter being worried about that. >> he was surprised the way it was elevated to the level she has. i think that most of us who have come up through politics would realize for example you know bill clinton and the singer, i want to say sonia something. he got into it with her. probably should not have done that then. what we are seeing with donald trump on the trail, he continues to talk about the economy and national security and immigration security and things that people are showing up for. remember even though the race was written off a month ago, the polls and even the new ones show it's a jump.
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the polls are going back and forth and when he has rallies, he has 15,000 people showing up and she has 1400 people. the right track and wrong track shows that almost 70% of the people in america are not satisfied with the way people are going. the one thing that resonated in the debate is hillary was there for 30 years and why haven't you done all of this stuff. i listen to her speeches and i was in republican legislature and she was always running for the next office. i think if you want change and you want to do things differently in washington, you have to have an outsider. donald trump is that candidate. >> i take your point. he is competitive when you poll. she is ahead right now and we will show battle ground polls in a minute, but he is competitive in this race. one of the poll numbers we keep seeing and hillary made reference to is the question of temperament. she said the tweets show and
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prove again in her words that donald trump is temperamentally unfit to be president. when we poled this and when others poled this, a majority of americans that he is not temperamentally suited to be president. that's a serious problem. >> i understand she is pushing that narrative and we are used to it, but on the other hand who was it that was reckless with classified material and i was on the defense committee. you don't send classified e-mails out. you don't tell the fbi you have one server when you have 13. you don't tell them you turn over every one when 33,000 disappeared. five people in her administration have been given immunity. if you haven't done anything wrong, why was immunity important? somebody who had the honor of representing them, and every branch of the service, i'm uncomfortable with her track
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record on classified information. it's scary to me. leaving iraq which gave birth to isis and it's in 18 countries, that's scary. we know what her policy looks like. trump is talking about peace through strength. that's a message that they are looking at. >> thanks for the time. appreciate it. >> thanks, steve. >> hillary clinton speaking in florida and donald trump expected to hold a rally in michigan at the top of the hour. right now we hear a different tone and it's a story that is still breaking and this is new video. just in the last few hours, this is from a deposition that took place in june. it stems from a lawsuit from restauranteurs that backed out
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to operate in his new washington, d.c. hotel and they backed out because of comments about mexican immigrants. he admits that they hurt his business. take a listen. >> with respect to the speech that you made and specifically the focus on mexicans and immigrants, did you write the statement in advance? was it written? >> no. >> did you plan in advance what you were going to say? >> yes. >> did you talk to other people about it? >> no. >> did you give any thoughts to the effect that your statement relative to mexicans and immigrants would have on tenants in your current or future projects? >> no, no i didn't. i didn't at all. >> again, that is from june from donald trump being deposed as
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part of a lawsuit about losing a restauranteurs who would be part of his new hotel in washington, d.c. they are among the news organizations that sued for access to the videotape deposition. now as you can see it has been released. coming up, we made mention of this a minute ago. new battle ground state polls in the wake of monday night's debate show hillary clint an's path to 270 getting a lot clearer. we will show you the numbers and where they are from and what they do to the map. plus, jeb bush, remember him? he said he won't endorse donald trump or hillary clinton. who will he vote for? he seemed to offer a hint and he weighed in on the news about his father, at least the rumor of his father potentially supporting hillary clinton. >> everybody didn't vote, that would be a powerful political statement, wouldn't it? >> what jeb bush is saying and
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we knew the polls showed hillary was the winner of the debate, but would that improve her position in the race for 270 electoral votes. we have an early answer to that. early indication. we will take you through what we know. new battle ground polls.
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let's look at the map as we think it looks. clinton in good or reasonably good position in states giving 272 electoral votes. the magic number is 270. obviously right now that puts her in a pretty good spot. donald trump at 198. these others are toss ups. we will go through the new polling. out of michigan and new hampshire and they show the statement. a-point lead. this is not the worstews for donald trump. each of these would be a bonus for him. it's not essential for his path to 270. it would help. it's not essential that he win new hampshire, but the fact that he is losing in both is not good for him. it's not devastating news though. it shows maybe that the debate hurt him in both of those states. two other battle ground states where the polling comes out, this is potentially devastating
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news for donald trump if it suggests a larger trend. number one, florida. the state has been pretty much deadlocked. here you go. a poll out of floater conducted after the debate and hillary clinton with a four-point lead. there is no practical path for donald trump to 270 if he doesn't win florida. this is a must win state. for that matter, so is nevada. a state that went for obama twice and donald trump has been leaning in the post recent polls, but the first poll out of nevada after the debate, hillary clinton with a six-point lead. here is something the campaign might want to worry about. inside this number, the people who watched the debate were asked who won, by a more than two to one margin, they said hillary clinton won the debate. not coincident cally, hillary
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clinton taking the lead in nevada. what would that do? if there has been movements, what would that do. if this is a trend now in nevada after this debate and she is able to win nevada and florida, look at what it would look like. clinton would move to 307 and trump stuck at 198. even if trump cook carolina and ohio, he would have a long way to go. if clinton can take florida and nevada, they would be very, very big wins. they are basically must win states for donald trump at this point. they are the first indication. we will have more polls and more numbers. we will see what they say, but the first indications from the two states would suggest that hillary clinton did get a bounce from that debate. it helped her in both of those states. for more, let's bring in a politics reporter at the daily
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beast and sam stein is a senior politics editor at the "huffington post." we will start with you and talk to a supporter of donald trump. he was doing his best to say look, not a big deal about the overnight tweets. he is a businessman and not a politician and this is how people communicate on twitter. that's the best defense he could offer. politically, donald trump is taking a lot of grieve for this. do you think this is something ha is going to hurt him? >> the biggest problem is it's not beneficial to him whatsoever and it changes the topic away from things he could be talking about that would put hillary clinton back on defense. as long as we are reiterating something said about a beauty queen, he is not criticizing hi hillary clinton. going after her on economic
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policies. that's what the party wants to talk about. he is up at 3:00 in the morning tweeting about a sex tape. it's a lost opportunity more than anything else. >> we're start breaking down the numbers and the group he is lagging with is women in the suburbs and something he was able to win and polls with trump down 25 points with them. when i look at this war of words, those are the voters i am thinking about and this guy is digging a deeper hole with them. first off, the sex tape tweet came at 5:2o and not 3:00 in the morning. >> i stand corrected. >> it's sort of putting off this avalanche of additional stories and giving off old interviews. it's an excuse to remind voters that he had a sorted past. he was not a politician and he
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was talking in crude terms about paris hilton and other things. it paints a caricature of a guy who it doesn't go over well. he does need to win it over. he is losing by such huge margins in all the polls. >> as we look ahead to the next two debates, kellyanne conway got credit for donald trump having a more focus and disciplined message. this is not a part of that, but from the standpoint, is there anything they can do that will prevent him from doing this the rest of the way? >> it's hard to conceive of a way you can change this. you can't make trump stop being trump. he had three different top leadership teams over the last year or so that we have been following and there is one common denominator and that is donald trump is donald trump and no one is able to get his persona you should control for
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more than a few weeks at a time. i think people criticize his team and the reality is he is who he is and the candidate is in charge and makes his own decisions and he is an adult and this is on him. >> i said i suppose they could steal his phone. they could literally steal his phone to prevent him from tweeting. when you were interviewing jack kingston and i'm paraphrasing, what happens on the twitter feed is not the message. they said that's not what the campaign here. trump is the problem and he had made ground when he was sticking to script on the teleprompter. the only introduce he was given were to fox news and it's not a coincidence that it happened because he was in a live debate setting and got his phone at 3:00 to 5:00 a.m. this is the problem. it's him. >> the other thing is the
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ongoing saga of jeb bush and the bush family. the relationship of the republican establishment with donald trump. there had been that story about a week or two ago. kathleen kennedy townsend had a private meeting and went on facebook and said hey, the former president said he will vote for hillary clinton. the former president's office refused to confirm or deny the reports yesterday. jeb bush address the subject and here's what he had to say. >> i thought it was a little inappropriate for a person to overhear a frail 92-year-old man in a private setting at a reception for the points of light foundation which focuses on volunteerism to hear this. then immediately go on facebook and put it on and go on national television and not even show up at the board meeting. >> he has a point there, but the bottom line is the cat's out of the bag right now.
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the former president's office has not denied he said that. that's not his intention. it shines a light on the fact that all former republican presidents, all you have got supporting the current republican nominee is one. bob dole. that lack of unity at the top of the republican party. >> absolutely. it's fascinating that the bush family has done nothing to try to discredit or cast dispursions on the fact that george w. bush will be voting for hillary clinton. jeb bush's son, george p bush, is the only major prominent member of the bush family who is supporting trump. even within this family there is an understanding that trump might be the future of the republican party. they may not support that of course and especially when you look at the elder statesman of the family, they don't want that
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to be the direction the party is going, but the part of the family that needins to be pragmatic, it's george p bush. when you are doing the calculations, they have to think who is running the show and what's the show going to look like and where is the most political benefit to be gained from? it might be from backing the current nominee. >> there is another answer he gave where he said he will not support donald trump and he refuses to take that next step of saying i am going to vote for hillary clinton and i think she is preferable to donald trump. i'm not voting for trump or clinton and some hints he may go for gary johnson. >> he is right about the divu e divulging of his father's voting preference. that's wrong. the never trump crowd has not taken that next step that is if
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you are never trump, what's the one way to prevent trump from being president. it's not a vote for gary johnson. they are not at the point where they will vote for hillary clinton. it's not that everyone except for bob dole is not supporting donald trump. what is fascinating is even with all these luminaries saying they cannot support done ald trump, he is getting 90% of the republican party vote. it goes to show you that the voters follow the party id more than the important at the top of the party. you see polls where 90% of the people who voted for mitt romney supported trump. mitt romney said he will do everything he can do to prevent donald trump from winning the presidency. >> that's a great point and again, we put the map up there. donald trump is not at or near 270, but he is leading in several states that mitt romney failed to carry. he improved in a couple of obama
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when i took theq ancestry dna test, i mean a few results came up that were really shocking. 11% of me comes from the part where i had served. we all come from such different backgrounds that you never know. the commission acknowledges that there were issues with donald trump's microphone on monday night saying that the audio issues affected the sound level in the debate hall at hofstra. he explained about his microphone and there was skepticism that there were issues at all, but they were saying that there were and not saying if the issues affected what anybody heard on
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television, but only what was heard in the hall. reports over how the charitable foundation continues to come out and the new story is raising more skez alleges that they did not have the proper certification to solicit money. the reporter on the story from the washington port. thanks for joining us. take us through what you found here and what it means. the trump foundation is based in new york and needs to be reg str sterred in new york. >> the trump foundation although it has his name on it hasn't gotten any money. all the money has come from other people donating to it. the trump foundation was supposed to register and part of that continue was they had to
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get an audit every year to make sure that trump was spending the money properly and not using it to buy things for himself. he never did that and never registered as he was supposed to and never had the audit. that audit might have turned up things we only discovered this year. this is important because it could give the attorney general a lot of power to punish the trump foundation or give the money back. >> what are is the next step if it is true. they failed to specifically. what can they do in response to that? park are they give a lot of power, but the most likely options are that they can order the trump foundation to stop mazi raising money and they would have to do things right and bring it back. if he feels it was part of a
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pattern of bad acts and improper handling, he could go to court and order a secret court order to make them give back the millions they received from other donors. >> is there any response from the donald trump foundation? >> i asked them yesterday and got nothing. earlier today they said i was not allowed to write about this because i'm not a lawyer. >> give us a sense to how much money we are talking about. you say donald trump has not put money into this himself since 2008. you have to have the threshold of bringing in 25,000 or more a year. if you do, you have to register. how much are they bringing in? whose money is being used by the foundation? >> in most years it's in the hundreds of thousands. 500,000 to a million. in some cases the money comes from people trump knows. they refused to commend about
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why they gave that money. in other cases, this is money that was owed to trump and he said don't pay it to me, pay it to my foundation. he is allowed to do that, but he has to pay income tax on it. >> not to be lost in the talk about debates, the vice presidential debate is set for next tuesday. tune in to msnbc for all day coverage. more the mike pence tim kaine showdown. coverage of the debate will start at 9:00 a.m. eastern. the main event will be at 9:00 p.m. eastern. it is not every day that you see president obama left hanging. that is exactly what happened earlier today. our cameras caught him waiting outside his own plane. wait until you see who it was for.
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. >> his critics often claimed he was a naive, overly optimistic dreamer. they were only wrong about the naive part. he knew exactly what he was doing in being overly optimistic. >> that was former president clinton eulogizing shimon peres. his funeral bringing together israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and abbas. they shook hands after barely speaking for seven years. you see it right there. the hand shake of the hand shake
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23 years ago at the white house. they both signed the oslo peace accords that clinton and peres helped to broker. that was the closest they same to a lasting peace. president clinton considering the break down one of the great failures of his presidency, but with the prospecti of hillary clinton's presidency, could he have a role? michael crowley joins me now. it's an interesting that if hillary clinton wins that, would be his portfolio. peace starts with this. there was the oslo accords in 93 and another before bill clinton left office. how close did he get to a real peace between the two sides? >> he got very close. it's a matter of debate as to
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whether the palestinians really could have accepted the offer, but clinton and his negotiating team and a lot of people who were there at the time said we were right on the brink. clinton and his memoire said he couldn't believe that arafat would be so foolish as to turn down an offer that was so good. even if people say the offer was not as good as the americans and israelis say it is, in clinton's own mind, that was a great offer. they came really clois and couldn't singe it. i think for him it's the moby dick whale that got away. a lot of evidence reading his mem rars that haunt him. >> for he was back in a position where he could be empowered to pursue that and if that became his role, the players have changed in the last 15 years and the politics within the mideast have changed.
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would he still be -- would that be a job he could achieve? >> number one, i spoke to people who were former clinton officials and people who worked on this issue and they agree you have to think that clinton still feels like he wants to take a crack at this if he can. at the same time, he is not a dummy. when he was in office, he inherited momentum. the talk began before he was president under the george h.w. bush administration. there is a lot of skepticism that they have the opposite or political will to make a deal. mideast peace is not the burping issue that it was 20 years ago because there are so many other things happening. syrian civil war and iraq and isis. i could go on. would he be an envoy full time? you heard it in his remarks today. he invoked the song imagine
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which he joined along with in the birthday celebration. he has that idealism and he would want to play a to make it happen again. >> they tried to give hillary clinton responsibility for health care in the first administration. we will see if there is a second if he has something to do with the arrest. appreciate it. here's susan lee with the market wrap. >> gains on wall street to end the month and the quarter. deutsch bank was the story, rallying 14%, the best day in five years. maybe they don't have to pay $14 billion to the department of justice. that's the latest from cnbc, first in business worldwide. >> it's time for the your business entrepreneur of the week. an instrument with a long history. the accordian.
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let me ask you a question. do you know about virtual reality? i heard the term, but i knew nothing about what was involved with it until yesterday. we have a virtual reality space set up here. it is designed to look like what we call democracy plaza. we build the big set for the election. we have a virtual set and they made me put on this giant clunky helmet. i almost suffocate and i got used to it. we break down the election map. this is what it looked like. >> as i said, hillary clinton found a way to pick off north carolina. i don't see how she loses the election. if you start on a list of must win states, it has to start in north carolina and he has to find a way to do it.
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>> that is a nice gas mask too. it was a fun experience. thank you to all the people who put on the virtual reality helmets. we were breaking down stakes and thanks to our partner on that vr. that will do it for this hour. "meet the press"dale we chuck todd starts now. >> if it's friday, more proof when donald trump gets in a he can't stop digging. an overnight tweet storm about miss universe. the libertarian factor. i will ask gary johnson's running mate and whether they will be this year's ralph nader. the snl factor and the thin line between politics and parody. >> in my plan the lock box would also be

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