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head to right now for a look at where congress is kind of regretting that saudi bill override. for donny and i, have a great weekend and sayonara. >> "hardball" with chris matthews is next. the tweet where you live. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. so why did donald trump, busy as he is running for president, allow a former beauty contestant to live rent-free in his brain the last five days? why doesn't he evict her from his mind and get back to the issues? uncontrolled immigration, bad job-killing trade deals, and stupid wars. those are issues that he could win the white house, instead of tweeting about her at 3:00 in the morning. how could he ever perform as president when he can't focus his mind on matters of state?
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better question, still, am i taking trump more seriously than he's taking himself? it began at 3:20 a.m. this morning, when he tweeted that reporters quoting anonymous trump campaign sources the were just pushing, quote, made-up lies, closed quote. starting just after 5:00 a.m., again this morning, trump's focus turned to his feud with beauty pageant winner, alicia machado. here's trump before dawn this morning, talking to the world. "wow, crooked hillary was duped and used by my worst miss universe. hillary floated her as an angel without checking her past, which is terrible!". five minutes later, trump went on. "using alicia m. in the debate as a paragon of virtue just showed that crooked hillary suffers from bad judgment. hillary was set up by a con." at 5:30 a.m., trump told his twitter followers to check out what he described as a sex tape and he said, did crooked hillary help disgusting alicia m. become
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a u.s. citizen so she could use her in the debate? nbc news has no evidence that clinton helped machado get her citizenship. she became an american in august. what trump referred to as a sex tape seems to be a conspiracy theory as well. according to nbc news, the closest thing might be a suggestive scene that was in a spanish reality show. nbc news has not verified its authenticity. later in the day, with the sun not up, trump tweeted, for those few people knocking me for tweeting at 3:00 in the morning, at least you know i will be there, awake, to answer the call. so what is trump up to, if anything, and why does he stick to this line of the attack? david corn is washington bureau chief for mother jones and an msnbc political analyst and ruth marcus is a great columnist for "the washington post" and matt schlapp is a member of trump's catholic advisory group. of course, i have to start with you on that point. >> happy day! >> this is about -- yeah!
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i'm just wondering where the issue of decency stands on this so-called sex tape. i just wonder -- look, i'm not in the business of hatcheting donald trump. i think the voters ought to know what he stands for and who he is. but he did have a set of issues to run on that got him into the limelight. we really do have a debate in this country about our trade issues, we have real issues about whether we need any kind of immigration control, and certainly have a debate over the wars we could be fighting. he could have had a perfect storm of issue, yet he's chasing down this rabbit hole to a person that he doesn't -- well, unfortunately he didn't treat like a human being in the first instance when he dealt with her. and now he's treating it like the most important issue of the campaign. he seems crazy on this thing. >> well, it was 15 hours ago, and i agree with you, this morning -- >> no, this morning. >> exactly. >> is the dead news at dawn? does all news die at dawn? >> in all seriousness, i want to agree with what you said in your opening, which is, if he talks about jobs and the economy like he did in the first 20 to 30 minutes of the debate, if he talks about trade, if he talks
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about -- >> yeah, so hillary just manipulated him -- >> i think he owned that part of the debate. when he got on the defense, first with the first question from lester holt, it wasn't -- >> no, with lester asked him a simple question. >> it's a fair question. >> did you inherit $14 million to start, which got to his ego, and this is the problem with trump. this campaign shouldn't be about him. it should be about the issues he's raised. >> but it's all about him! >> i know. and it shouldn't be. because the only reason he's in this campaign -- >> and he's -- >> -- are the issues! >> he doesn't care -- >> you can't deny that he is in the thick of it. >> the issues! >> and even the two polls that have come out in the last few days, this is a tight race, and if he continues to talk about the issues that matter to voters, he can win this thing. >> but haven't we learned that that's actually not going to happen? that he's going to have his good 15 or 20 minutes and something is going to inevitably happen, because it's not that hard -- >> something's going to happen to her, too. >> no, it's not, because she is a disciplined candidate. this is not a partisan somethth.
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she is, for the most part, a hugely disciplined candidate, and he, for the most part, is a hugely undisciplined candidate. >> david's turn. >> a guy waking up or not going to bed at 3:00 a.m. and tweeting out these tweets is someone who's not stable. it's true. >> oh, stop. >> no, come on! no other politician -- >> you've never tweeted at 3:00 a.m.? >> not about sex tapes that don't exist. >> have you ever tweeted at 3:00 in the morning? >> probably -- >> i -- >> no, no, the point is, he's in the thick of it -- >> i'm just teasg. >> -- in order to gain control of our nuclear triad, which he didn't understand what it was. and he thinks it's important to go after miss universe, because everything in the world, everything in this campaign is about him and his emotions. and what he feels and what he vents about. >> i don't think that's right. >> this shows that he is not to be trusted. >> can i make an offering. i'm sure two of you disagree with me. there are legitimate voters out there who are concerned about the economic direction of the country, everything. they don't like the wars, their kids have been the ones
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fighting, not the elite, but their kids have been fighting these wars, getting maimed by them, getting all kinds of traumatizati traumatization. the elite don't care. it is an issue whether we've been trading ourselves into oblivion, we've lost our manufacturing base, and we don't have, for both party's political reasons, a real immigration policy. it's really whoever can get in, is what it comes down to. fine, i'll try to get in, too. i'm not knocking people for trying to get into this country, it's where the jobs are. but nobody's got a system. there's a legitimate concern on all three of those issues. trump said he would be the champion of those issues. he is not performing as the champion. he's performing as an act. right now, an act. talking about his misbehavior. >> look -- >> we can keep talking about these tweets or we can talk about what the race is about. >> he talks about them! >> the fact is -- >> matt --
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>> he's talking about them! we're not making this the news. he's making this the news! >> let's talk about hillary clinton and i would say her success in focusing on the campaign where he can't win. hillary clinton first mentioned a alicia machado at monday's debate. for the past four days, donald trump has continued to battle against the former miss universe. she threw this puck out and he can't get his stick off it. let's watch. >> and one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. he loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. and he called this woman miss piggy. and then he called her miss housekeeping, because she was latina. >> she was the winner and you know, she gained a massive amount of weight. and it was a real problem. we had a real problem, not only that, her attitude. >> i saved her job, because they wanted to fire her for putting on so much weight. and it is a beauty contest. you know, i mean, say what you
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want, bill, they know what they're getting into. it's a beauty contest. and i said, don't do that. let her try and lose the weight. can you imagine i would end up in a position like this? so that's the way it is. >> a few times in my life, i've gotten up in the morning and seen the mouse is in the trap. the poor mouse is dead. and you wondered, did he really like the cheese that much, that he put his head in there and took the chance. why did he put his head in that mousetrap? why is he talking about? why is he doing this now. tell me, why is he doing this? >> because he's never seen cheese that he can't go after, no matter how many times the trap comes and hits him on the nose or whatever, whatever happens. i mean -- >> usually gets you on the neck, is what it does. >> in politics -- while i was trying to get him out of the trap so he can go back in. in politics, sometimes it's really important to not let an attack go unanswered, but sometimes in politics, it's really important to know which attacks to leave unanswered. >> is this the opposite of dukakis, you always say with dukakis, if you'd only answer
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them, schrummy and the rest of them, if you'd only answered the charge, you would have won. now we're saying to the guy, don't answer the charge. >> and wait a second. if he had not kept going on this, the chances that we would be talking about alicia machado today, not great. and if the clinton campaign had been able to script this, they could not have scripted it any better. >> hillary who deserves credit for taking this guy down a rabbit hole. >> but this did not happen in a vacuum. this happens in a context of years and years, including on this campaign, of donald trump making misogynistic remarks, and it started out, what about her looks? what about her looks? what's wrong with hillary clinton's looks? he did it with carly fiorina and -- >> i -- no -- he's misquoting, he didn't say look. he said looks. >> but you know, this is the big issue. and he knows, or he should know, or you people should -- it is a big issue! >> we've got to get this guy --
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you've got a couple of minutes to respond. >> we can keep talking about this all we want. that's fine, too. the fact is is this. we're talking about these mistakes. hillary clinton's been doing this for 25 years. she looks like a perfectly horrible candidate. >> this week? >> she had a good week. >> her campaign -- >> she's unlikable. >> okay, just -- >> what do you mean? >> chris! >> let's go right now, let's take a look at the polls and we'll see how this week is doing. >> she's doing better than trump. how can you say she's doing worse -- >> the state polls, which is how we pick presidents, by state, released today showed some good news for hillary clinton since monday's debate. clinton now leads trump by four points in florida. she was behind him down there, according to a mason-dixon poll. in august, her lead was only two points. anyway, in nevada -- by the way, it's not nevada -- clinton leads by six points according to a suffolk university -- what's suffolk university doing out in nevada? >> exactly. >> compared to a two-point lead back in august. in michigan, clinton is ahead by
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seven, which means i think she'll win michigan in a new detroit news poll. in new hampshire, clinton also leads by seven. that's a very powerful fact. new hampshire should be even steven, according to new wbur poll. meanwhile, fox news has a new national poll. clinton leads trump by 43-40 in a four-way race. still close. that's your point. my point, there's a lot of issues that divide this country pretty much 50/50. clinton's up two points since earlier this month while trump has remained steady. there is a national -- >> can we stop for a second. there's a national debate over a lot of economic issues, and social issues, and war issues that are really worthy of debate. is it good for the country, people say, we just love the way things are going and elect hillary. if that's the message, i think it's disastrous. there's a real debate over, trump is a terrible vessel to make those charges. but it is a charge made by a lot of americans against the system. >> for republicans, if youpg about, with the mitt romney kind of candidates we've put up. when we go out and try to talk
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to these regular joes, as you're referring to them, these people that have fought the wars and have the economic consequences of our trade deals and everything else, trump actually does connect to them. and i think if you look at that fox poll -- >> this week? >> he had a bad week, i've said that. i agree with that. but if you look at that fox poll and look at how close it is, let me finish! look at what the question was on the debate. she killed him. she the got over 60%, said they thought she won. yet the race is still tight, which shows you, she can have a bad debate performance and still win this thing. >> one of the important that's hard to understand -- >> i just got to get a sentence out. >> don't complain about the mike here. >> the mike might have been faulty. >> it was faulty. >> it is really remarkable given donald trump's flaws as a candidate that the race is -- and problems with his performance -- >> and her flaws, too. >> -- that the race is so close. and i contribute that to the unhappiness that chris is talking about. but this behavior does just not make sense.
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>> we have mike pence on next, i don't know the guy, he's the one who has to defend all this crap. he has no idea about these sex, lies, and videotape or whatever, he's not going to talk about it. so how does he or his component, the good guy, get tim kaine back on the issues for donald trump. >> you know how a vice presidential debate is. the impact will probably be negligible. >> how many millions watching? 40 million? >> half of what -- >> 40 million people. >> and i think they're both sturdy, a little bit plain kind of presenters. and my guess is you'll look for mike pence to connect to skr conservatives. >> don't you wish he was running against evan bayh? >> chris, you rightfully yearned for a policy debate. but donald trump isn't doing that. if you watch his convention speech, he puts out these peoples. law and order, be tough. he won't tell us what his policy is regarding isis. >> why -- >> because he can't put a paragraph together. he says he knows more about the generals and he doesn't.
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>> when joe mccarthy was going down, he drank too much, that was obvious, and killed himself with booze. people pointed out that he really didn't believe in any communist cause. if he believed in the cause he was fighting for so successfully and dramatically, he wouldn't have killed himself. he would have stucked to cause. but the minute he was censured, he quit. he gave up and drank himself to death. i look at trump, if he really cared about trade, really cared about illegal immigration, really cared about stupid wars, he would be talking about those relentless, like bernie sanders does. bernie sanders doesn't change the topic. bernie sticks to why he's running. >> but i think that the fault in your argument is that you're assuming that trump actually can control that. and we have not had evidence of that. where's the evidence? >> let me tell you the evidence. >> how did he pull this race together in september? a whole month? >> what is the catholic role, by the way, you're religious, a sectarian role? >> coalition politics, they have it on the democrats side -- >> what's your role -- i want to
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know what's going on here. >> we want to make sure they understand the issue that's going on with catholics. donald trump is news, first time he's running -- >> send me a memo on that. i want to keep up. >> how about i accepted you a tweet? >> just send me a memo. >> 3:00 a.m.. >> i would really like a piece of paper with something written on it. anyway, thank you, david corn. thank you, matt schlapp. thank you for coming, ruth, you're always right. except, don't use rhetorical devices to say i'm not thinking straight. yes, you did, you said with, the trouble with your thinking is. i'm saying, what ought to be the way politics is fought in this country over issues. donald tru donald trump has fallen right into a trap set by clinton. she's been able to put a name and a face on trump's challenge with women. her name is looalicia machado. her campaign is getting more confident that it will propel her to victory. she's in many ways a mood ring. if you look at her, you can tell
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how the campaign is going. plus, the increasingly difficult job trump's surrogates are having. imagine being kellyanne this week defending him. imagine being mike pence next week, harder and harder. now it's mike pence's turn. he's got to answer about sex tapes and all of that, all of trump's recent missteps this next coming tuesday. i'll watch that debate. we'll be on all night with that one. and what can we expect when "saturday night live," i can't wait, begins its new season tomorrow night. the cold open, alec baldwin is set to play donald trump and kate mckinnon is hillary. and the big question, how they plan to parody -- how do you out-parody parody. and how damaging will it be? plus, my election diary for tonight as september draws to a close. this is "hardball," the place for politics. here i am... building a jet engine. we've been hearing so much about how you're a digital company, so you can see our confusion. ge is an industrial company that actually builds world-changing machines. machines that can also communicate digitally.
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this is dablgs fngerous for a president. we've heard donald's insults for years and his policies reflect his disregard for women. and here's what she, hillary clinton, said at a campaign event in florida late today. >> i mean, really, who gets up at 3:00 in the morning to engage in a twitter attack against a former miss universe? i mean, his latest twitter meltdown is unhinged, even for him. it proves yet again that he is temperamentally unfit to be president and commander in chief. >> there's also new evidence that donald trump's ongoing attacks on miss machado might help clinton with hispanic voters. as "the new york times" reports google trends data indicated that the searches for voter registration has surged over the past week and that the highest
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rates of searches have been in disproportionately hispanic area. joining me right now, heidi perez, senior reporter covering the clinton campaign for "usa today" and ron reagan. a friend of mine after the debate the other night said that the person who dug up the story of alicia machado is headed for paris as our ambassador, as a reward from hillary clinton will be so great, because whoever came up with -- it's what you look for in opo research, a human, sympathetic face for something you've been charging against a guy, that he's anti-women, anti-hispanic, anti-whatever, anti-beauty queen, in this case. he's just a user of people, and here you've got somebody who's willing to -- as a citizen! make a case for you. >> it's a little like the khan family or judge curiel. when you say donald trump is misogynistic, he says nasty things about women. okay, true enough. but when you can put a face to that, when you can put a very attractive face to that. a young woman here who he said
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terrible things to, that's just perfect. the fact that she's a woman, the fact that she's latina makes it even better. but this trap wouldn't have worked for -- you know, against donald trump, had donald trump not been donald trump. if he'd had the wit to simply say, during the debate, when the name came up, ah, yes, i remember her fondly, i'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding, i wish her well. and -- >> that's a good point. >> and ended it right there, it would have been over. >> that's what hillary clinton said about the e-mail. i made a big mistake. the old laguardia line in new york was, when i make a mistake, it's a beaut and move on. however, this gets to the point of how he treats little people. you always want to know about a politician, not how he treats big shots, he wants to kiss up to, but is this the kind of guy who kisses up and kicks down. we meet them everywhere. the kind of person that treats other big shots with great care and anybody below the line, as they say in hollywood, is
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nothing but dirt. and that kind of behavior gets to people. >> and like ron said, this is just putting another human face to that. you make a very good point, and she's been doing the same thing, for example, with the little people and the contractors that he's stiffed over the years. >> like her dad would have been. >> miss machado was on the clinton campaign's radar basically since may and they had an entire media strategy coordinated around that. >> how did they find out that she existed? >> she did an interview with a news organization, and i think they had seen that. but in any event, she's been on their radar. they had all of this kind of set up, they had a web video ready to go -- >> before the debate? >> before the debate even happened. and it was a question about hillary clinton's stamina, the comments that donald trump had made about her stamina and she definitely turned that around into a commentary about donald trump and the way he treats all women. and then she put a face to it, like ron said. and that has been -- these have been some of the most successful moments, like with khizr khan. they gave him a prime speaking slot over at the convention,
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just like they're evaluating miss machado, after, you know, she had interviews, she had a media call with all of us, she had an instagram of her wrapped in an american flag. it was a very good production. but like ron says, with any good production, there's a credit space here. and you know, there's a lot of credit that goes to trump. >> i'm not totally insensitive to what people talk about. people talk about hair loss, they talk about weight gaining. look at all the ads, they're -- erectile dysfunction, they're basically human needs and human problems. we talk about with all the eating disorders we have, young men, young boy, people send their kids to camp to deal with it, people gain weight and deal with it. here's trump putting her on camera, punishing her, which rhymes with what he said about abortion. there has to be some form of punishment. why is his first reaction when somebody has a condition he doesn't like or look he doesn't like is punishment?
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why'd you get pregnant? you have to be punished. i think it's donald trump's instinct and impulse, which is punishment of the woman in this case. he said it, i didn't. >> and for donald trump to be criticizing somebody about her weight? donald trump is not exactly jack lelane, you know? this sort of porky orange guy with weird hair. he's criticizing people's looks. but this goes to something, chris, that's been lingering around the periphery of this campaign ever since donald trump became a real factor. and that's, shall we call it, his state of mind. you know, we're not psychiatrists, we can't diagnose this man, but let me say that we're people and we judge people's character all the time by what they do and what they say. and what donald trump and what he does and what he says, points to a real character issue for donald trump. and i mean that seriously. there's something wrong with this man. >> let's talk about gender here and not sex, but gender. let's talk about -- heidi, let's talk about this. i think women are very aware of
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men in public life, and how they think they look at women, right? let me give you the example that i always kid about, alan alda. alan al day to me was the insensitive man, treated people with equals, with great respect, didn't objectify them. trump seems to be at the other end of that spectrum. >> i would end hillary clinton's motorcade with a bunch of other women who happen to be mothers. we were discussing when this first happened, this will blow over in 24 hours, it didn't because of the i what trump responded. then we got to learn a little bit more about alicia machado, and the thing that really hit me as a mother was that she had, at the time, anorexia and bulimia, and this is every mother's worst nightmare, is those magazines that you see at the end of a grocery store aisle, and the message is that those are sending to our daughters. and then a man like trump comes along and tells you you're fat. that's the problem. >> i might ask you, ron, one problem.
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this has nothing to do with gender, it has to do with mind. you talked about trump's mind. why can't he lose it? just drop it? just drop the -- this is a losing issue, we say in politics, you know the rule, when you're in a hole, stop digging. he doesn't seem to have that in his being. >> because he always has to be right and he always has to win. he's a narcissist, and any insult to his sense of ego and the well-being of his ego is seen as an existential threat. so, alicia machado, this, you know, this women who really is no big threat to him, he has to treat her like this deadly, deadly threat. he has to extinguish her. and i would look for hillary clinton to lay similar traps in the next debates, coming up. to bring up individuals who went to trump university or maybe contributed to his charity and saw their money go to 6-foot-al portraits of donald trump and things like that. >> ron, thank you. i miss you when you're not here. you know, it's -- you know, in
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other words, you're saying -- let me interrupt ypret you. in other words, this election is really about donald trump, thank you. up next, it's getting harder for trump's surrogates to stay on this message. by the way, remember the message, trade, illegal immigration, stupid wars. now the message seems to be, i can't take anymore -- well, i've got alicia machaleetcalicia mha. tuesday, mike pence's 90 minutes in the spotlight. i'm going to really like these. the vice presidential debate is talking about middleweight boxing can be a lot faster and snappier than the big stuff. he's got to answer, as pence said, everything trump has said and done this week. whoever the moderator is is going to nail him with this stuff. this is "hardball," the place for politics. the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness.
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>> welcome back t "hardball." well, surrogates, how would you like to be one of those for donald trump, have been giving their best effort to defend trump's treatment of former miss universe, alicia machado. here's trump's spokesperson, katrina pearson. >> he has called some women fat pigs, he's constantly evaluating women based on a number -- they're a seven, they're ten. he's very into body shape of women. >> well, absolutely. mr. trump owned a beauty pageant and that's where some of that comes from. that is also entertainment. that is also television. when you look at the woman, for example, like, his wife and his daughters, they say he treats everyone the same. >> well, other trump surrogates are now trying to turn the tables and focusing on bill clinton and hillary clinton's treatment of the women who said they had affairs with bill. here we go. >> i'm very proud that at the very end when she attacked him and went off on this whole rant
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about women. and you could see his face. in the republican primary, he would have just smashed her. instead, he came off looking like a gentleman and she came off looking pretty mean and miserable. >> it's amazing when you hear her talk about sexism and these various claims that are ridiculous. aside from obviously, bill, her husband, being maybe the worst that's ever lived. >> she didn't just stand by him, she attacked monica lewinsky. and after being married to bill clinton for 20 years, if you didn't know the moment monica lewinsky said that bill clinton violated her, that she was telling the truth, then you're too stupid to be president. >> it is ill-advised to viciously attack women or anyone, for that matter. and that's why was look back at how hillary clinton treated those women during the 1990s and went to destroy them, donald trump's actions pale in comparison to hillary clinton's actions. she literally was, you know, in charge of a war room, where they spent six figures on what they called the bimbo eruptions. what she did do was viciously
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attack women who fell prey to her husband's advances. >> will this strategy work or will it backfire on trump, going after bill clinton? let's bring in the "hardball" roundtable tonight. jason johnson, and margaret carlson is a columnist with bloomberg, bloomberg view, in fact. margaret, a couple things. they're throwing a lot of non-facts out there, first of all. but i have never -- remember those contortionists in the circus, where you had to like bend your body, double-jointed, and had to make the weird -- what people have to do, i can't even follow newt gingrich, who's a smart guy. you don't have to like him to agree he's smart. and the contorted stuff he has to do is incredible, to try to bend their case to make trump look like the gentleman. was he the gentleman monday night? what are we talking about here? >> and i can't count high enough on air to get up to the number of marriages with giuliani, gingrich, and trump, but it might be over ten. >> you mean the nine wives' club? >> it might be double digits, close to it.
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and trump may not be done. >> you can feield a world serie team with those nine. >> also, monica didn't accuse bill, that's number one. all that i remember hillary doing was calling, in a private e-mail to her best friend, monica loony tunes. and by the way, every wife's instinct is to defend the husband. >> by the way, they're throwing stuff out there that has not been demonstrated yet, right? it's never been demonstrated that hillary's out there squeezing people's arms saying, don't talk. you know, it's all possible. it's tough politics out there, as you say, in defense of your spouse, anything's possible. but there's no evidence of it and he's throwing the it out. they're throwing it out. >> yeah, we actually, at "the washington post," one of my colleagues published a very, very long article this week, trying to go through every known case of women who claimed two things, either that bill clinton went after them or that hillary, in some way abetted that or
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attacked them, attacked their voracity afterwards. and while there are multiple unflattering examples of things that bill and hillary clinton did, there is absolutely no evidence that we were able to find in that story that she was part of some war room, that she was part of some concerted effort to destroy or hurt any woman who was involved. >> by the way, monica didn't come clear on that whole thing for a while. we had the grand jury, we went through that whole stuff. it was never her saying i had an affair with him and he was denying it. it's this thing that rudy's talking about, rudy giuliani, that scene didn't occur. >> not only did it not occur, chris, but who is this appealing to? >> that's the bigger question. >> i don't understand who it appeals to. because, you know, if you're older and remember going through the 1990s, your idea is already set about this. you either feel the way you feel about bill, feel the way you feel about hillary, and if you're a generation-x or a millennial, this is a halloween mask now. >> maybe it's that tiny
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philandering husband vote. >> by the way, it's very hard. you have to be a -- if there's such a thing, you would have to be an incredibly skilled public figure to make the case that she's responsible for bill's behavior. it's just -- i don't think it's even conceivable. but if it took -- one guy who couldn't do it is donald trump. >> well, right. >> i don't know how you make the case it's her fault. she looked is very strong during all of that, in fact, had poise, and the reason why people respect her today, to a large extent, was how well she handled that. >> her favorability went way up, for the first time, as first lady. >> by the way, we have also an area we are better at than talking about sex and crap like that -- not that sex is crap -- >> yeah! >> but just by talking about it -- >> if you're catholic, you just don't go there. >> no, the whole question of the republican party took this to the voters in 1998, they pushed it real hard, they impeached him, they got clobbered by him. so the voters, the entire electorate shot him down on this
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thing. >> i got to tell you, if donald trump were to mention this, he could talk about it all week, if he wants to, even though bill clinton -- >> he does! he does want to. >> but if you take this to a town hall, there will be audible gasps. that would be the most horrible thing you could do. >> tell me how people would behave in a room, where family members and kids are watching them talk about this kind of stuff in front of the world. >> it would blow up in his face. >> i don't think people want to talk about it, ann. >> this husband litigated and re-litigated for years -- >> that's a new word. >> yes. but people have formed an opinion about what they think about the clinton -- and frankly, what they think about hillary clinton, and she -- trump risks looking like he's being a bully and -- >> and for whatever reason, bill is such a member of the family nationally right now, that everybody's -- >> well, he's been rehabilitated as a political figure now.
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>> they justnow him. there's no secrets with bill. he's just bill. >> like he was late getting on the plane today. you know, how bill. >> that is so bill. >> he's like a doddering grandfather now. we're just not going to get that -- >> when is this guy going to understand, i'm the president! it's my airplane! get on the plane! anyway, the roundtable is sticking with us, up next, the 2016 presidential candidate will get the "snl" treatment tomorrow night. how is "saturday night live" going to portray donald trump and what we've seen from him. how do you out-parody this week. that's ahead. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. guess what guys, i switched to sprint. sprint? i'm hearing good things about the network. all the networks are great now. we're talking within a 1% difference in reliability of each other. and, sprint saves you 50% on most current national carrier rates. save money on your phone bill, invest it in your small business. wouldn't you love more customers? i would definitely love some new customers. sprint will help you add customers and cut your costs.
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>> well, do not adjust your television sets. we are back with "hardball," and that was alec baldwin and kate mckinnon giving us a taste of what to expect this saturday night when they premiere this season of "saturday night live" with a fabulous, i bet, cold open. the last time we heard from the ensemble over there was back in may, and a lot has happened, of course, since then. we're now 39 days closer to the end of this crazy roller coaster. i think we're very close to the end. and that is the 2016 campaign. but the good news is, for a few moments, we can laugh at the whole thing. let's take another look. >> she's in deep trouble. [ sniffling ] is that okay? good. [ sniffling ] bigger numbers than ever. [ sniffling ] >> who's your favorite foreign leader? >> who's my favorite -- >> name anybody, anybody you look up to. >> mine was shimon peres. >> i'm talking about living.
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go ahead. anywhere? any continent, canada, mexico, europe, over there, like, asia, south america, africa, name a foreign leader you respect. >> i guess i'm having an aleppo moment in the former president of mexico -- >> i'm giving you the whole world! anybody in the world you like. pick any leader. >> the former president of mexico. >> which one? >> i'm having a brain -- >> well, name anybody. >> fox. >> i don't think anybody knows that it was russia that broke into the dnc. she's saying russia, russia, russia, maybe it was. but it could be china, it could be lots of other people. it could be lots of people. it could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? >> how do you beat that? who is this person with 400 -- again the weight issue. "snl" timed its season premiere for the week after the first debate. do you think they knew they would have plenty to work with? maybe so. and more on how the show will
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parody the debate, jason, i don't know what your favorite moment is, but there's so much material, can they outdo reality? >> i don't know. i trust alec baldwin, but i still have larry david as bernie sanders in my head and i wish he would come back. this is going to be -- it's going to be a really difficult challenge. because there's nothing -- usually when you're doing "snl," you're playing on that person's earnestness. like, tina fey was making fun of the fact that sarah palin really took herself seriously. >> i can see russia from my house. >> exactly. i don't know what you're going to play off of, but i know that kate mckinnon is great. i love her desperate, needy hillary clinton. >> doesn't she have hillary down? >> yeah, from "election." >> it's a little bit too game. >> yeah. >> margaret? >> well, she did win an emmy for it. and the best i have ever seen hillary was with kate mckinnon on saturday nightlife. and oddly enough, hillary was more human, while completely scripted, the irony of that. but wasn't she great?
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and kate mckinnon brought it out. alec baldwin has had some well-publicized anger management issues, so he coulbring some of that with -- >> a very similitude. >> you never see that word, except in writing. thank you, chris. very similitude to the pout. he has a slightly pouty face. >> and he's a little bit -- a little bit something. >> doughy. >> there's sympathetic goiometh with alec baldwin, that's not normal everyday life. darryl hammond, the great mimic of trump, but the greatest ever possible mimic of bill clinton. he inhabited clinton's soul. when you see hammond do clinton, it's the hamburgers, the women, this hungry guy. >> alec baldwin needs to get this down. this is the -- >> oh, yeah. >> do you ever read the religious books growing up, jesus doing that. he does that. it's awful!
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it's blasphemous! >> it's the sermon on the mound. >> i stand to you, and he's giving us the truth and beattitudes and giving us this trump stuff. >> i'm just waiting to see how trump reacts to alec baldwin being trump. because i mean, that could be fabulous, right? i mean, trump could start tweeting -- alec baldwin's gotten in trouble for some of the stuff he's tweeted, so he could tweet back. >> oh, 3:00 in the morning on sunday on twitter -- >> oh, yes! >> flying tweets at 12:30. anyway, the roundtable is staying with us. up next, these people tell me something n't know. more coming back on the place for politics.
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we're back with the "hardball" roundtable. tell me something i don't know. >> this hasn't been reported. tomorrow night in washington there's a fund-raiser for hillary clinton called karaoke for hillary featuring chelsea clinton, and for $2700 you can hear the insider -- clinton insiders patricia marshall and cheryl mills do karaoke and pick the songs. >> i have no comment.
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>> i can't wait -- >> you are really like the insiders. that's only washington. >> we know the russians are coming. we know that they've been hacking. that trump's been talking about it, putin's been talking about it. the department of homeland security has identified two states that are at risk to be hacked this fall. georgia and certain counties of pennsylvania that do not have paper receipts for their voting machines. homeland security has been offering assistance. the secretary of georgia has been saying we don't know if we want your help. >> i hope this announcement gets the right kind of cyber security firms to get working. that would be a disaster. >> so chris, carl beern steen is reporting that bill weld is trying to figure out a way to bow out gracefully at some point. bill weld says no, but he said two interesting things today. he said -- asked he answered that johnson is not more qualified to be president than hillary clinton, but adding no one is. and he also said that he will
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keep the interests of the united states upper-most in his mind. against that he said, i'm having the time of my life. but it's not going to be fun to turn into ralph nader. so i'd stay tuned on this one. >> he seemed a little -- the other night when we had him on. trying to physically distance himself at some points from his running mate. if running mate is the right phrase. we'll be right back with my election diary. a pretty good one tonight. i think i've captured the week. .
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election diary friday. september 30th, 2016. for five days now donald trump has blown the opportunity to keep his extraordinary challenge to the political establishment on course. think of it this way, if he were to pull an upset in november, the next morning's lead would be donald trump won the election by exploiting the country's anger over trade agreements and mideast wars that failed to protect the country. trump came after focusing voters' attention on the dissatisfaction with the political elite. the candidate showed remarkable discipline in keeping the headlines pointed at this historic voter unrest. hillary clinton could not withstand the electorate's anger nor could she shift attention away from trump's proven topics of strength. this is what the headline could be. now thanks to trump's
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mismanagement of his campaign, look at the direction the headlines have actually taken. it's been a five-day run of back and forth between trump and a former miss universe contestant featuring accusations by trump over her weight, accuse igs as of her by abuse by the now candidate. instead of a week pushing his winning issues, trump now rides shotgun on a wild goose chase in search of, you won't believe it, a sex tape. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> who gets up at 3:00 in the morning to engage in a twitter attack against a former miss universe? >> late night twitter takes over 2016. >> his latest twitter meltdown is unhinged even for him. >> donald trump gets an early start degrading a beauty queen for a fifth straight day. tonight, new worries from inside the trump campaigs


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