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trump, but what we have learned over the last 16 months is that donald trump will do what donald trump wants to do, to the point, by the way, where just this morning, newt gingrich has come out moments ago in an interview with the "new york times," basically openly pleading th donald trump. this is one of her top surrogates, to get on track, to prep for the next debate, and to put some of these distractions behind him so he can try to win the white house. >> we have to turn to the clinton campaign. kasie hunt is following secretary clinton from white plains, new york. kasie, how is the clinton campaign responding to all things that happened with donald trump over the weekend? >> there's so many, hard to know where to start, steph. i think, look, the taxes issue is something that the clinton campaign has been hammering on since the very beginning of this campaign. every time she has faced questions about her e-mailsory any one of the issues that has plagued her over the months, her campaign will say why are you focused on this when donald trump has not release his tax
returns. we're starting to get indications as to why it is that they have been so focused. all this new information that you walked through with hallie. skoe the clinton campaign coming out and saying, well, if trump is so smart, why doesn't he just release his returns and show us exactly the genius he's applied to the tax code in doing this, steph. >> she's got something else in focus, and it's the state of ohio. she's been down in the polls there. we haven't seen her in a while, but now she has a royal endorsement? they call him the king? >> lebron james, possibly the best, yeah, i'm not sure if you could get a better ohio endorsement than that. lebron james has that giant banner that hangs over the q arena where they held the republican national convention. now saying he's going to endorse hillary clinton. but the reality here is the terrain in ohio is tough for her. she has two stops today. one in akron and one in toledo, but the reality is this state is sliding further to the bottom of the battleground list for the clinton campaign.
it's probably a little bit tougher, a little easier, excuse me, than iowa, which is the hardest one they have on the list, but it's not necessarily shaping up to be such a true battleground as it has been in the past. that's because a lot of these especially white working class voters who used to work in the auto industry in the eastern part of the state or work also in the coal industry, they are frankly out of work and normally they would vote for democrats. a lot of them are union people, but they're backing donald trump. that's a really difficult thing for her campaign. she's sending her husband bill clinton on a bus tour as well. that should also tell you how important it is. >> thanks, kasie hunt, in white plains right now. >> we're going to go back to donald trump and talk about these taxes. how exactly could he have gone without paying taxes for a total of 18 years? let's break it down. if he lost $916 million back in 1995, he is able to claim that loss across multiple years, as much as $50 million per year in taxable income could be wiped
out per year for tax purposes. if trump was making $50 million or less, he would then pay no federal income taxes, though there is no proof that is what he did do. i want to bring in matt schlapp, chairman of the american conservative union and a trump surrogate. good morning, matt. >> good morning. >> here we go. explain to me, we have heard ye genius, genius, spoken about donald trump over the last 24 hours. how does someone who is such a great businessman lose nearly a billion bucks in the '90s. >> it's been well chronicled. he's had his ups and downs. i think he famously said on the streets of new york and passed a homeless man that that guy had more money than he did. he's always been in the spotlight. we have seen his businesses take off. he's had bad years. he's had tremendous success, and i think he's really hitting a cord with voters across the
country who want an outsider, a different voice in politics. >> he has struck a cord with the common working man who feels like they have been screwed by the system. as we look at these taxes, it seems that it is this system that has worked so well for donald trump. why wnt he make his taxes, whether or not he gives the tax return or not, the central focus obje of the campaign and say i have been able to take advantage of this loophole, that loophole, and that one. here's how i'm going to change them. we have never seen specifics. >> yeah, i think that's right. i think he's the first person to tell you he's very well connected. he said in one of the republican debates during the primary that he understands the system because he's been a part of the system, and it's treated him very well. but in the end, it's treated the country very poorly. and he's been able to walk this line between someone who has been successful and been able to take advantage of things, but at the same time, he gets to the fact that in the end, our country isn't going to be able to get itself back on track
unless it has in this case, tax reform. we have to completely change the way we tax people in this country. this is an example of what people look at the tax code and say, you know, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> if this is an example, why did the "new york times" have to make the example for us, and what loopholes is donald trump going to close? >> we didn't -- no, no, we did not need this example to know that our tax system is ridiculous. we have the highest taxes in the universe. we tax corporations at one of the highest rates on the globe. if you're a small business person, you get taxed at an even higher rate. the way we confiscate wealth at the federal level is absurd because the problem is we're not creating the types of jobs and getting the kind of economic activity we need. >> then those small businesscon suffered that 19 notify year with donald trump when he had those losses, when he made the money back, did he go back to the creditors, to the small business people and pay them
back? >> i think you're confusing two things. you're saying bankruptcy as opposed to declaring a loss. i declared losses on my taxes. most people who have assets declare losses on their taxes. the question is this. which is what do we do to get those small business people on a better footing? taxing them at these ridiculously high obamacare rates isn't going to create jobs. >> no, sir, i'm not confused. when donald trump has had failed real estate projects, there's been many people who haven't been able to get paid. when he then made that money back, did he go back to the little guy init's that little guy that is his core base. it's not the business elite. it's not his peers who are pa backing him. it's the common guy. >> let me ask you a question. in your life, have you ever said you had better service one time than another time. have you ever been in a restaurant where they served you something edible that you didn't have to pay for? when you're a business person, you subcontract services all the time. there are times you pay in full
and sometimes you pay extra and sometimes you don't. >> i'm an american. >> i am, too. >> my word is my bond. whether i have good service or bad service, i pay for services rendered. >> you wouldn't be a very good business perb if you paid if they did a bad job. >> no, when i ask someone to do work, i absolutely pay them. but let's move on. >> sure. >> donald trump, let's talk about his behavior. he needs to pull these undecided voters, these women voters right now. i'm looking at this a.p. article about the apresentence. he had contestants as well as employees who said he used sexist language to talk about them, referring to the size of their breasts. when they have an ad out with ivanka trump talking about how much donald trump cares about women. i'm a woman and a mother. how do i take this? >> if you were to read the "new york times" or the a.p., it's easy to see why women would get obje offended. do they also understand there are meanty of women in the trump
organization who say they are not offended and he has people from the apprentice on the road every day talking about how they were respected by donald trump? at the end of the day, this election is not going to be decided on the clinton campaign working with the media to say that donald trump is a bad guy. this election is going to be decided on their economic plans, on their plans to defeat terrorism, and on their plans to get washington working again. i think that's what we should be focusing on, not an october hit job to try to make donald trump unelectable. it's not right thing to do. >> we can leave hillary clinton out of it. on saturday night when i watched the donald trump rally, when i saw him question hillary clinton being faithful to bill clinton, when i saw him turn from the podium and pretend to fall down like she collapsed when she was sick, no one created that, donald did. are there facts to back up the claim she wasn't faithful or loyal to her husband? >> i don't know what you're referring to there. i think what he is saying is that bill and hillary clinton should not be able to go out
there and prosecute a moral case against donald trump when they live in their own glass house. and we should not let them get away with saying that somehow they can make the moral case. look, he was impeach said. he was disbarred. she has been in scandal after scandal which started when she was the first lady and stole $20,000 worth of furniture. they're a scandal machine and why aren't we focusing on them. >> i don't want to be unfair if you don't know the piece. let me play it. here it is. >> i don't even think she's loyal to bill, you want to know the truth. and really, folks, really, why should she be? >> so, i'm asking, are there facts that back up the claim? >> yeah, did you cover politics in the 1990s? the clinton marriage and the clinton scandals and the clinton controversies, one after the other, you don't think it's ripe
in the minds of voters that there's a little hypocrisy when they go after donald trump's morality and the things he says. >> in the 1990s, donald trump was openly dating marla maples while he was married to ivana, and he said i don'ts talk about that. that's not a problem. how is his infidelities not a problem and hers are? >> the question is this, which is hillary clinton is trying to make the case that donald trump is a misogynist. >> no, sir, my question -- >> and his supporters are deplorables and he's pushing back on the fact that she's in no position to make those charges. >> no, i'm asking you, not hillary clinton, i'm asking you. how come it's okay that he was cheating on his wife with marla maples and that's okay, and -- >> let me make it really clear. i'm not supporting donald trump because i condone the fact that he had affairs or had multiple marriages. i don't think that that is something i'm voting on. i'm voting on the fact that i think he has a plan for the economy, i think he has a plan to make sure that we defeat
terrorism. and i think he has a plan to upend washington. i think that's at the voters care about. my feeng is all this other stuff, it might be tawdry, we might say things that a bit raw, but it's not centrally what this election is about. it's what hillary clinton has to make it about because she can't win on those issues. i want to talk about those issues. where can we talk about those issues? >> by issues, we can talk about donald trump as a businessman. we can talk about the economy, now that we have seen the light, the light of his genius as rudy giuliani has said about his taxes, are we, a, going to see his tax returns? and get specifics about what he is going to do? those advantages he was able to take of loopholes. >> let's talk about specifics. >> okay, great. what is he going to do from an economic perspective, from a tax code perspective, to help middle america? the kind of advantages he's been able to use. >> yeah, i think he's been very clear, the first thing is he believes we need to radically reduce tax rates. we have the highest tax rates for corporations in the
civilized world. near the top. >> we do, but we have a higher tax rate than, for example, europe, but we have much better growth than europe. we're practically stagnant over there. >> are you kidding? you're not going to offend the obama growth. even liberal economists will tell us we have had terrible growth. if you're an american in the economy and struggling for a job, they would listen to what you said and scratch their head. >> excuse me, sir. if we're talking about a tax rate, we do have a higher tax rate here in the united states than in europe, but our growth has been stronger than it has been, let's say, in europe. >> yeah, but what tax rate are you talking to? about the federal tax rate? >> we're talking about corporate tax rate. that's what you're referring to. we have among the highest corporate taxeralties out there? >> that's right, and it matters what deduxzs you get. we have had inversions of people leaving this country and going to europe and other parts of the globe because quite frankly,
they're voting with their feet against the american economy. that hurts americans as we have the lowest participation in the labor market since jimmy carter was president. >> without a doubt. >> it's very clear that hillary clinton wants to raise taxes. she says on the wealthy. but if you're middle class, when they say they're going to raise the taxes on the wealthy, you know it's coming at you as well because you have to tax more broadly to get the types of revenues she needs. that will not -- that will not result in greater economic growth. under obama, we had paltry economic growth. >> people do not like daex americans do not like corporate tax inversions. the question is are americans going to like business people who are able to take advantage of tax loopholes for their own business success? all right, we're going to leave it there. >> you have to admit the clintons are pretty wealthy as well and they have taken advantage of every tax advantage they can, and that's what the system is. and the system needs to be changed. >> the system does need to be changed. this afternoon, both candidates are going to be talking about the economy. i look forward to tomorrow's
vice presidential debate where for sure we'll talk about the economy. >> thanks for having me on. >> up next, tax returns now out, we have been talking about them all morning. will we find out who leaked them inthe mystery this morning of the envelope sent to the "new york times" allegedly from trump tower. hearing so much about how you're a digital company, yet here you are building a jet engine. well, ge is digital and industrial. like peanut butter and jelly. yeah. ham and cheese. cops and robbers. yeah. nachos and karate. ahh. not that one so much. the rest were really good. socks and shoes. ok, ricky... ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.
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the reality is, he's a genius. i would rather have a genius who understands the tax code, that wants to refo it. >> there's no one who has shown more jean genius in their way t maneuver around the tax code. >> that's what trump's surrogates are saying after the "new york times" bombshell report claiming donald trump could have paid no federal income taxes for 18 years, after reporting a $916 million loss back in 1995, which was a very
good ye.ar i want to bring in cn brx krbc washington correspondent, john harwood. genius is the word we keeps hearing. if this is genius, donald trump's genius, why wouldn't they make his inside understanding of the tax code a central part of their platform? >> because it's not credible. and i don't think anybody, not either being paid by donald trump or hoping to get a job in a trump administration, would call what happened there genius. the question is how much does it hurt him? and we just don't know the answer to that. donald trump was behind to hillary clinton going into this. he was losing ground in the debate. she had already made an issue of his not paying taxes. and this makes it more concrete. but does it fundamentally change our understanding of donald trump? i'm not sure. so i don't know what margin of voters might drop off trump because of this. we have to wait and see in the polls in the next few days. >> in terms of donald trump's platform, as he said, he truly
understands the tax code. it's one of the reasons he has been able to be so successful. nobody likes paying taxes. we want to pay the least amount possible. has he proposed anything to end the loopholes the have been so good for him but it hasn't helped the rest of america, because it is the working man out there who is so tired and screwed by the system, why they want a candidate like trump? >> he has embraced the idea of cutting loopholes without specifying what loopholes he would cut. he talked about cutting tax rate, but i haven't heard a proposal that would however haul the way real estate taxation was done. that's the ability to carry forward the losses, as donald trump has said himself in the past, about being able to avoid taxes, welcome to the real estate business. has he proposed to get rid of all those incentives? i don't think so. >> have we seen other real estate icons back donald's
proposal? i remember when mitt romney was running and we talked ability carried interest. we saw people come out in defense of mitt romney and walk through the economics of their business all over the media throughout the campaign. are we seeing that happen here? >> well, the institutional republican party has, looks at tax policy as an issue where generally speaking, they're lining up with donald trump. he's been iconoclastic on immigration and trade. but they all want lower tax rates, so he has gotten, and in effe fact, he tailored his tax plan to be like the tax plan of house republicans. he has support in the party on that issue, but i don't think a whole lot of people are eager to stand up and defend donald trump for having had the ability not to pay taxes on $40 million or $50 million of income for 15 years. >> i know it's speculation, but do we have any idea who sent these returns? >> no clue. you know, they indicated, the times reporter indicated the return address was trump tower.
was that the actual return address or something someone wrote on an envelope? we don't know, and we also don't know what else the "times" had. susan craig, the reporter who broke the story, was interviewed over the weekend and was asked, do you have more documents and stories coming? the answer was no comment. we have to see what else comes out. the people who had access to his returns are accountants and lawyers over the years. one of whom confirmed the authenticity of these, semi-retired accountant living in florida. so that's where your speculation would initially go, but we don't know. >> thanks, john. let's bet. th 36 days left. will we get his returns? will he release them? >> absolutely not. >> there you go. thanks, john. >> up next, breaking news. hurricane matthew now a dangerous category-4, already pounding nations in the caribbean, and it could be headed for the east coast. >> plus, leaked audio the trump campaign is using to drive a wedge or wants to between
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welcome back. time now for your morning primer. everything you need to know to start your day. donald trump this morning in virginia, before holding two campaign rallies in colorado. while hillary clinton will hold two events in the state of ohio. a major swing state where she's currently trailing donald trump but just got the support of lebron james. >> voters in colombia rejected a police agreement with the farc, the largest rebel group in the country. the deal would have ended five decades of civil war. it was rejected by less than one quarter of 1%. >> and the voice of baseball called his final game yesterday. vin scully put down his mike after 67 years, calling dodgers games. the 88-year-old ended his final broadcast saying i have said enough for a lifetime. congratulations. >> more serious news, in paris, kim kardashian west was robbed
at gunpoint by thieves disguised as police officers. they tied her up in the bathroom before making off with nearly $10 million in jewelry. >> evacuations are under way as hurricane matthew heads towards the caribbean. the category 4 storm is currently pounding haiti and on its way to jamaica. i want to bring in meteorologist on this bill karins. he's monitoring the hurricane's path what are you seeing? haiti, one of the poorest countries in the western hemisphere. this isn't what they need? >> everyone knows what happened with the earthquake a bunch of years ago and now they're going to deal with likely historic flooding. the storm itself, the core of it, will not cross haiti, but we will see about two days worth of significant torrential rains in mountainous areas, that could be 2 to 3 feet. horrendous mudslides, and a lot of houses are built on the mountains. wijdz at 130 miles per hour. still a category 4. we're taking it due north. landfall expected around lunch hour tomorrow in eastern cuba, then it will head to the
bahamas. the bahamas look like they could get more of a direct hit today than we were thinking yesterday. the forecast has shifted a little to the left. that also will bring the storm closer to florida. we could deal with huge waves, beach erosion and gusty winds. not so sure that the rain will get there. that's the bahamas on wednesday. thursday closest to the florida coast. friday up here somewhere off the southeast coast. this is the point where we look at our models. our spaghetti models. these are different computers tellis us what's going to happen. the center red line is the official forecast. you can see the official forecast is usually an average of all these little squiggly lines. the concern is growing for eastern north carolina. that would be friday into saturday. a bunch of our squiggly lines come very close to the outer banks. north carolina kind of sticks out like a sore thumb. that's the reason for that. of course, we're watching our european versus american models. the european model closer to florida on friday and then they diverge after that. a lot of questions still for the southeast. you don't need to board up quite
yet, but we're anticipating in the next day or two, we'll have a lot of specifics. >> i want to take you to haiti where forecasters are predicting 40 inches of rain. gabe, it was six years ago that that earthquake took place, decimating port aprince. what is it like there now? >> hi, there. good morning. yes, this is a country still struggling to recover from that massive earthquake. as you mentioned, it's bracing for the brunt of hurricane matthew. we have only seen light rain in the last few hours but it's expected to pick up throughout the day. in port-au-prince, tropical storm force winds expected in the overnight hours in the southwestern part of the country, start seeing hurricane force winds in the overnight hours as well. the big concern is heavy rain, up to 40 inches of rain in some isolated areas. 15 to 25 inches in other places. heavy storm surge as well. seven to ten feet. and that could trigger life
threatening mudslides. hurricane matthew, of course, as bill mentioned, has churned throughout much of the caribbean. it's bearing down in eastern cuba, in jamaica, there have also been heavy rains. so now, haiti bracing for the brunt of it in the next day or so. back to you. >> all right, gabe, try to stay safe and dry. gabe gutierrez. >> when we come back, hillary clinton caught on tape saying bernie sanders supporters, quote, live in their parents' basements. trump now calling on sanders to unendorse clinton. we have the reporter who got the audio. you don't just learn how to drive... or solve the world's problems... be a dad... "or something" and we don't just make sandwiches "or something" we hand-slice avocado, pull smoked chicken, bake fresh foccacia and craft every sandwich clean from top to bottom... there's nothing "or something" about it. panera. food as it should be.
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recorded and apparently recovered from hacked e-mails. joining me now, staff writer for the washington free beacon, a conservative paper, where the audio first showed up. where did it come from? >> from a website called dcleaks.com, which is suspected of having ties to russian hackers that we have seen intruding into all sorts of political databases recently, dnc, dccc, and now actually the account of a white house staffer who was volunteering on the clinton campaign, which is where this e-mail and the audio that was in it came from. >> now, she said this during the primary when she was running against bernie sanders. and her campaign is saying this audio is taking out of context. how so? >> well, you know, i think it was clear that she was expressing some sympathy for these people who she was saying live in their parents' basement. it kind of sounds like a stereotype of millennials. as a millennial, we're kind of tired of being stereotyped.
that's what's going to irk some of sanders' supporters and these are people she's still having trouble bridging into her camp. onlyunts half of sanders supporters say they're committed to voting for hillary. her going on the trail recently with sanders has demonstrated she thinks she's needs that support, and this is only going to exacerbate that. >> donald trump said this tape is a sign that bernie sanders should unendorse her. but here is what bernie himself said on cnn. >> she's calling other ideas you pitched, not the ones you two are working on together, but other ones false promises and said that what you were doing was indefensible. that must bother you. >> well, look, of course, it does, but we were in the middle of a campaign, and i trust me, if you go to some of the statements that i made about hillary clinton, you could see real differences. >> so he said it bothered him. you said millennials will be irked. do you think it's going to effect bernie sanders supporters and if they'll back hillary
clinton? >> i don't think it's surprising bernie said what he did. he is now committed to supporting hillary. he sees her as preferable to trump. i'm mnot sure if his supporters see it the same way. they're more likely to take the statements at face value and either decide who to support accordingly or decide whether to vote at all. so whether or not he gets on board, he might bring some of his supporters with him on that issue, but i think it can only hurt hillary. it's certainly not going to bring more millennials into her camp. >> thanks for joining me this morning. >> we have some breaking news from the u.s. supreme court. pete williams joins me now live. pete, what's going on? >> well, the supreme court has dashed the last hope the obama administration had to revise the president's immigration program while he's still in office. the supreme court last term reached a tie and couldn't decide the case, which left a ban issued by the lower koirt still in effect. the administration asked the court last spring to hear the
case again. now, that's something rarely done, but the obama administration had argued that given that there are only eights justices now, they should schedule it for rehearing when they get nine. but today, the supreme court said no. denying any rehearing on that case. part of the -- all of the requests that piled up in the supreme court over the summer, 71 pages of orders, and that's the big one on it. >> thanks. pete. >> coming up, the trump tax returns in focus, showing he lost a billion bucks in one year. question is, will that change voters' minds on this genius businessman as our next president? we're going to dive into that next.
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contributor and daily news sports columnist, mike lupicka. everybody is all over the story, but you have the trump team saying this is genius. if this is genius, why didn't donald trump lead with this in his campaign? >> no, my first reaction was, yesterday, if this is genius, why didn't he release his tax returns much sooner so we could have learned much sooner about what a genius he is? and his first response after this was a tweet about how i know more about this than everybody. i can fix the system. and you had to listen to that or read it and say, fix it for whom? so he's now so outraged by a system that benefitted him that he now -- he had an attack of conscience, that he wants to change it? >> do you think we're going to get specifics from him now. i think about a successful businessman, warren buffett, who famously said i pay less taxes than my secretary. here's what we should do to change it. we haven't seen specifics from
donald trump. will this force his hand because his base, his core is the common guy who thinks he's been screwed by the system. the system that has clearly worked for donald. >> i think the first thing he does when he steps out in public is he's going to play the victim crime. he's going to say i'm the victim of a crime, that somebody leaked these documents to the "new york times." he will ubobfuscate. will we get specifics. how many specifics have we gotten from this guy on anything? i think, i wouldn't, if i'm an american who is still deciding how to vote, i wouldn't hop on one leg waiting for specifics on this. >> when you see rudy giuliani and chris christie stay on this message, calling him a genius, rudy giuliani saying, you know, everyone has their infidelities, what does it do to their brands? >> every time i see rudy giuliani on television, doesn't he look like he just saw the bloody hand come out of the grave at the end of "carrie"? he looks startled. you could ask him what he said
for breakfast and then go, and then attack hillary clinton on the grounds of being a woman or being infirm. this performance by him and christie, the two chief head bangers in this inner circle around donald trump trying to spin this positively was pathetic yesterday. and for christie to say this is a very good story for trump, no, it's not. no, it's not. >> who do you think leaked it? >> i -- i have a theory, but it's just -- i would have to save it for a novel. >> really? all right, let's talk about the vp debate. it's happening tomorrow. clearly an important part of this campaign, but 40% of americans say they can't even identify with what the two candidates are. >> i think this might be pretty entertaining from two amazingly dull guys. i do. because if you watch mike pence, his job tomorrow will be custodial. he's got to clean up. he constantly has to clean up things that his running mate has
said. stephanie, if you watch him be questioned by the media about some dumb thing that trump just said, it should be a drinking game now, because his first response, his default mechanism is to chuckle. i think every time he chuckles, college kids all across the country are chugging a beer. >> do you think college kids across the country, these undecideds who are not inspired by the campaign, the women in the middle who may have heard all these lines out of donald trump over the past week, are they going to be affected by the vp debate? >> i don't know if they're going to be effected. i think women voters in the country were effected by the presidential debate. i do. it's going to be interesting to see if there's any kind of polling about what hillary said about sanders' supporters and millennials living in the basements. >> sheulse said they were living in the basement because they didn't have good enough jobs to pay their own rent. >> no, no, this was not a game changing comment on her part. but it's always amazing that
these candidates say things. it's like vegas. there's a camera on you at all times. then they constantly act startled when these things are made public. >> listen, it would be really difficult to have a camera on you at all times, no matter who you are. >> or if you have a newspaper column. >> thanks for joining me. we have to take a break, but you want to come back because up next, the '90s. flashback. nobody seems to want, and i'm not talking about chum bah wum bah. i'm talking ability bill clinton, sex scandals, trump bringing them back, and how about donald trump in the '90s. the gilded donald and ivana days. we'll bring those back. the question is, will donald trump's strategy backfire? s to , seconds can mean the difference between life and death. for partners in health, time is life. we have 18,000 people around the world. the microsoft cloud helps
worship a rat. >> it's groundhog day, all right. the movie a huge hit in the '90s. now it seems that we are reliving the '90s all over again. the '90s came roaring back for both candidates. >> remember, he got impeached for lying. you remember what he lied about. >> after the long, long history of bill clinton, gennifer flowers, juanita brodrick, making claims against him. >> what the hell? >> let's cut through the noise 1990s. i love me some pop-up video. let's go. today, the big news is trump's 1995 tax returns. at the time, donald was midway through his four bankruptcies and married to marla maples both a staple of the new york tabloids because they were publicly dating while still
married to his first wife and in the clinton world, president clinton was impeached for lying under oath. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> but during the impeachment, bill clinton's approval ratings kept going up and up and hillary's hit 67% during the same period. her highest approval rating ever. but team trump seems to think dredging up how hillary handled the women involved in bill's infidelities will somehow help them. what did she actually do? gennifer flowers, hillary did publicly call her a failed cabaret singer and if she had a chance to cross examine her, she would quote, crucify her. stood by bill in the beginning and said this publicly. >> this vast right wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for
president. >> but any sharp words directed at lewinsky only said to close confidan confidants. the most smear campaign by the clintocampgn. trying to find out what exactly hillary's involvement was and concluded, quote, mrs. clinton's level of involvement in that effort is still the subject of debate. and what does donald trump say of his own infidelities? he said this to the "mork tinew times." he said, i never discuss it. it was never a problem and rudy giuliani said this. >> you have your own infidelities, sir. >> everybody does. everybody does? well, trump says he is just getting started on this line of attack. here we go again. that doesn't mean bill murray
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tune in to msnbc for all-day coverage of the vice presidential debate tomorrow live from longwood university in farm wood, virginia, beginning at 9:00 a.m. eastern and don't miss the live telecast of the debate at 9:00 p.m. eastern followed by late night coverage with the post-debate team. that wraps us up, i'm stephanie ruhle. i'll see you tomorrow in virginia but for now, kristen welker. the october visurprise is here. donald trump may have avoided paying federal income taxes for two decades thanks to a claim of
a loss of more than $900,000. he said, it is legal but will that fly? top supporters say he's brilliant while opponents say it's his many failed financial fumbles. >> there's no one who's shown more genius in their weight to maneuver around the tax code. >> the reality is he's a genius. what he did was, he took advantage of something that could save his enterprise and he did something we admire in america. he came back. >> trump goes around and says, hey, i'm worth billions, i'm a successful businessman. you make $15 an hour? you pay the taxes. not me. >> there's fallout over the way trump is responding to all of this news after using last week to go after former miss universe for her weight, the gop nominee is now making it even more personal against hillary clinton for her recent battle with pneumonia and relationship with