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state is blowing the whistle. we'll tell you why, straight ahead. also straight ahead, trump's taxes, he has refused to release them all year, now "the new york times" has pushed to release part of them. hillary clinton is pouncing. >> yesterday, he bragged it makes him a genius, here is had my question, what kind of genius loses a billion dollars? should he is not denying the records are his, but the question is, who gave them to the times in the first place. and the debate bounce, it is real. a whole bunch of brand-new polls from key battleground states, hot off the presses. they paint a picture that the clinton campaign is probably happy to be seeing. we'll take you through all of them just ahead. but we do begin with our top stories, breaking this afternoon, the attorney general of the state of new york serving
the donald trump foundation with notice that it must immediately desist using contributions, and any further in new york shall be deemed to be a continuing fraud upon the people of the state of new york. now, the attorney general's letter coming a week after the article in the "washington post," showing his failure to rer register with the interstate of new york, showing that it would open him up to audits from the state of new york. trump will have a rally in colorado later on. katie, take us through this, there are all sorts of questions about the questionable activities. now we should have the attorney general of new york, we should note, a democrat supporting hillary clinton.
where does this order come from exactly? and any word from trump and his foundation in response to it? >> well, we should note at the top of it, attorney general schneiderman has endorsed issue. this desist order is among the other questions about the trump foundation. they have opened an investigation by "the washington post," and the investigation. where donald trump bought himself two self portraits and essentially bought himself a tim tebow helmet. if the campaign showed that donald trump gave it to another charity, so far they have not done that. there is also the allegation or the instance where he gave money, $25,000, where he gave it to the florida attorney general, where her office was considering opening an investigation into
trump university. the campaign called it a mistake, and pat bondy's office called it a priority. they were looking into the foundation more closely and they found he did not have the correct paperwork filed with the foundation. to get anything more than $25,000, getting more than $25,000 as a charitable contribution, this stems from earlier this year in january when donald trump was soliciting donations from people to help his veteran's cause. remember he held that veteran's press conference, instead of going to the iowa debate. the attorney general found that he was not in compliance with irs law, voted violated the law because he didn't have the paperwork that would allow the rigorous filing of the foundation. and to make sure that donald trump was himself not in some way benefitting or receiving any
sort of income from the foundation, as a result of those charitable contributions. the trump foundation has 15 days to file the necessary paperwork and to hand over the necessary filing. the trump campaign said they would do so into this investigation, in the past, trump has called attorney general schneiderman a partisan hack. this is just one of many challenging headlines that donald trump has had to face this just the past several days alone. >> that is right, katy tur out there in pueblo, colorado, waiting for donald trump later on this afternoon, thank you for that, katie. and you mentioned, katy tur did just there, the bad headlines for donald trump may be contributing to something else. we're seeing poll numbers his campaign may not be happy about. starting with this one, hillary clinton opening up a six-point lead over donald trump. you see the other two candidates there back in six digits.
this poll conducted, where donald trump got low marks in the snap polling. it was also that controversy he stepped into, stayed all week in it with former ms. universe alicia machado. 50% have trouble with his comment about her last week. and there is a bunch about the battleground state polls, this quinnipiac poll, hillary clinton leads in florida and north carolina and for donald trump, he leads in ohio, that may raise eyebrows. but if donald trump is not winning in both tucsflorida and north carolina, it's hard to see him getting the path to 270.
another north carolina poll, this one putting it at 1 point for hillary clinton. a hillary clinton win here would be devastating to donald trump. and then colorado, colorado a state that president obama was able to carry twice. there had been polls showing this one more tight recently, but now, a couple digit lead out of colorado, the polling encouraging for the clinton campaign in the wake of that debate. the story last week was the debate, the story the th-- this morning, not just donald trump, but taxes, he has refused to reveal his tax records, the past tax returns. "the new york times" got ahold of his state records, showed he had a lost of $16 million, a loss that may have been big enough to shield him from paying
taxes for two decades. also from the clinton campaign standpoint they see a political opportunity. hillary clinton picking this up, using it as a campaign weapon against donald trump. and casey hunt is out there in ohio with the campaign. joining us now. casey, what can you tell us about hillary clinton and how she is playing the tax issue today? >> reporter: hey, i apologize, it's loud here, we're on the tarmac with hillary clinton. on the plane, sort of talking with the day here. but hillary clinton's campaign obviously seizing very quickly on this. this has been an issue they talked about and focused on for many, many months, every time an issue of transparency has been raised. they have said why is there not more information on his tax returns and what exactly will we
learn? so along with a new ad, hillary clinton herself also talked about this in toledo earlier today. take a look. >> in the debate he said it was smart to avoid paying taxes. yesterday, his campaign was bragging it makes him a genius. here is my question, what kind of genius loses a billion dollars? this is trump to a t. he is taking corporate excess and made a business model out of it. he abuses his power, games system, puts his own interests ahead of the country. it's trump first and everyone else last. >> so steve, she is of course in toledo, ohio today. this is a place that kind of shows what you're talking about with the battleground state polls. people i talked to privately say
that the five points in ohio that trump is ahead in the quinnipiac poll may be kind of best case scenario to them if the electorate is a little whiter than it was, if it is closer than it was in 2004 when john kerry lost in ohio. but the challenges that come out, i talked to folks doing focus groups here in ohio, they say that donald trump is just not graded on the same curve that most politicians are. so it's hard to tell how much this income tax story really impacts him in a real way. >> all right, thank you for that, casey. now for more on that bombshell tax story, "the new york times" obtaining three pages from donald trump's 1990 tax returns, showing trump saying he has a loss of $16
million. we don't know about the other years of donald trump's returns. he still refuses to release them but still, it means he could have had no income tax liability for the next two decades after that. it is potentially an implication of what "the new york times" found. the questions surrounding this, i want to bring in dave schultz, who worked on legal matters for narcot "the new york times." we should get this out, apparently they say when the trump campaign was contacted with this document with the news of this document over the weekend the trump campaign's instinct was to threaten to sue if "the new york times" published this. and then cory lewandowski, who is a supporter of donald trump, had this to say over the weekend. >> it's a crime to release someone's taxes without their permission. there is no national security interest to donald trump's tax
returns, that is a fact. i hope he sues them for doing this. >> he says he hopes "the new york times" sues them into oblivion, is there exposure for publishing this tax return? >> i should say, i'm speaking for myself today. it is a very clear principle under the first amendment that the news organizations like "the new york times" are free to publish free newsworthy information, so long as they did not violate any law to obtain it. they came in the mail, not solicited. clearly were newsworthy, and as far as we know they were true. i think there is a complete honesty to this, settled under the first amendment. >> the story how it became a story is fascinating to a lot of people, the reporter says she connected her mail box at work
one day, old fashioned snail mail, an envelope, and inside this tax return. now you're saying there doctis crime if that was not solicited illegally. if you're making it clear you are looking for donald trump's tax returns, is there some sort of solicitation involved just by putting an apb out is this should explosive. >> reporters all the time ask for information. that is how they do their job, they ask government officials for information. they have a first amendment right to do that. they can't engage in a conspiracy with somebody to vote the law, to pay people to go in and steal information or do other things that would be plainly illegal. but so long as they did not do
that and there is nothing to suggest that the times did anything improper here. the first amendment principle is quite clear. there are a line of cases going back to the '70s, '80s, '90s, going back to the disclosure of a rape victim in violation of a rape law. the disclosure of a jury, these issues have been in front of the supreme court many times and the court has consistently said that if there is one thing the first amendment protects it protects the press when it publishes true information the public has a right to know. >> okay, so that is from the standpoint of "the new york times," at tthey get this in th mail, they shall it. this is a big mystery in american politics right now. what about the person or persons who sent the information to "the new york times" explosive if it was not donald trump, is there
anybody that could send it to "the new york times"? >> i think the answer is no, i anybody -- anybody who distributes the tax information in an unauthorized way could be subject to a crime. it's sort of the same when snowden disclosures came out, the justice department filed information accusing him of the violation of the espionage act. no times has quoted they could be published for putting out true information given to them. the same thing would apply here. >> i just want to ask you, though, specifically, if that would apply to what you're saying, marla maples, she was his wife, there is no evidence this is her or anything. there is obviously speculation
given her proximity to donald trump. and the story, "the daily beast" put the story out there. somebody whose name is also on the form, would it apply to them, too? >> i'm not exactly sure on that. someone if it was their return and they had authority to get it out, the criminal statute wouldn't apply to them. if donald trump gave them out, it wouldn't be a crime. if these were marla maple's tax returns, she may well have had the right to give them out. >> thank you. all right, coming out, donald trump and taxes, there are also new reports about sexism, regarding the reality show. does any of it actually matter? the voters will look at that. plus? the vice presidential debate will be an opportunity for me to lay out again, donald trump's vision to make america great again. but also to lay out the choice.
>> so it's good, i mean, you know, just got to be myself. you know, i'm calm. things work out the way they're supposed to. i'm calm. anyway, see you out there. >> mike pence and tim kaine, to more on the vice presidential debate, beginning in farmville, virginia, ahead, we'll break down some of the biggest moments of the vice presidential debate. stay with us. for dakota's tender nose. with lotion to comfort and soothe when she blows. don't get burned by ordinary tissues. a nose in need deserves puffs, indeed. now get puffs plus lotion in the squeezable softpack. 80% of recurrent ischemic, strokes could be prevented. and i'm doing all i can to help prevent another one. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps in helping prevent another stroke.
>> when i saw donald trump say that he thought it was smart to get out of paying taxes i felt like i was being called stupid. we have schools that need money and roads that need to be fixed and veterans that need
help. i want a president who is proud of our country, not a president who is proud of getting out of paying taxes. >> that is from a new ad out this morning from the pro-clinton super pac, they're wasting no time going after donald trump after that report from "the new york times." and donald trump claimed a massive loss in 1995, it could have allowed him to legally avoid paying federal income taxes for as many as 18 years. and we should note, in pueblo, colorado, donald trump is early, potentially significantly early for his speech he has planned out there in pueblo. we expect he will be addressing the question of his taxes and speech. so when that gets going we'll bring you out there and see.
looks like we'll get an early start out there. you don't hear about that too often in politics. for more, while we wait for politics, i want to bring out the political analyst, and jonathan capehart, "washington post" contributor. we'll start with you, political fallout. donald trump has refused to put his taxes out there. looks like there is the possibility he was not paying federal income tax legally. looks like a big loss he claimed there in 1995. does that add up to anything in the minds of swing voters, do you think? >> that "the new york times" story. i thought we were talking about the indians story and the redskins. i actually don't think it's that big of a deal. i'll tell you why. in "the art of the deal" donald trump told people he lost a bill
dollars. in the apprentice, first season, he told people he had lost a billion dollars. it confirms it. the fact he is in colorado, tells me that a state that was not in play is in play, and the polls you put up frankly has somebody who wants trump to win. i looked at the numbers and was shocked they were not much worse for donald trump after last week. he won the first nine minutes of the debate, and proceeded to lose there in the last few. to still be ahead in ohio, i was amazed. >> well, jonathan capehart, it's a big story, but does it surprise anybody or change their view? >> probably not, the folks who were going to vote for him will vote for him. the folks would were diehard don't trust the media to begin with. but the key question you asked, the swing voters, there are a
lot of people who will look at "the new york times" story and will wonder how is it possible for somebody who wants to run for the united states was able to lose a billion dollars is not being held publicly accountable for how that happened and to explain and the way to do that is to release your tax returns. and he won't do it. and so you know, you've got donald trump asking swing voters to just trust him. that everything is on the up and up. and yesterday on joy's show, she had on david johnson who has written a book long ago about donald trump. and he posed the key question, and said you know, we only have these two pages from this '95 tax return. and he has reported that trump uses different numbers for -- depending on who he is filing for. so it's one thing to have the income tax returns. what yous ne s -- you also ne
the sec filings, there are questions raised as opposed to confirming things he said on o e a -- apprentice. >> what do you think of that type of response? we can say the was legal. the implications are if he was not paying federal income tax it was legal. so it's not a question of being illegal. but to say eis a -- he is a genius, does it look like he is rubbing the public's face in it? >> absolutely appropriate to them to publish the story. number one, number two, i heard
rudy giuliani tell chuck todd yesterday donald trump could well have been under a fiduciary duty to claim that loss. he would have owed it to marla maples to do so any partnerships he was in, in an ongoing basis to do so. i think it would have mattered to very few voters. as johnson just mentioned to joy reid, joy said the mass armada of the mainstream media. that has been filing 24 hours straight at donald trump and ignoring hillary clinton's basement tape, in which she says that half of bernie sanders supporters don't know what they're talking about, that there is a false promise in the campaign. i believe that the media has a pull. people are mad at us because we are not covering the campaign fairly. so while rudy giuliani made a
great point about the fiduciary duty, i think it would have been great to say cover this all you want guys but also cover hillary clinton's basement tape, too. >> and what rudy giuliani and chris christie were saying, in terms of if it is legal, a tax payment in this country, a person who was presented with the opportunity not to pay taxes would not take you up on it? >> sure, but we're talking about a legal opportunity to write off a $916 million loss, and not pay any taxes for up to or maybe even more than 18 years. i mean, i think a lot of the american people would love to be able to take advantage of that to pay no taxes, probably ever. but what we're talking about here, i can't believe we're having this discussion. look, the american people are about to vote for somebody to be
commander in chief, sit in the office to have authority over everybody. to release the tax report so we can all see how much of a genius he is at gaming the system. even outlining he doesn't make it possible for himself and others to no longer take advantage of this loophole that gives him an advantage, and particularly a lot of people who are supportin him could not possibly take advantage of ever in their entire lives. >> and again, to keep people up to date. we are standing by out there in pueblo, colorado, donald trump is expected to talk about this subject when he comes out to the podium. they're getting an early start. when they come out, he has yet to address the public issues of the taxes since "the new york times" reported the story over the weekend. also an interesting item here,
in terms of the chronology that played out, they had opportunities to publish it. i believe the campaign had had news about it a few hours later. donald trump went off script, and even by trump standards, this a dramatic way. this is what he said knowing the story was coming out. >> hillary clinton's only loyalty is to her financial contributors and to herself. i don't even think she is loyal to bill, if you want to know the truth. and really, folks, really, why should she be, right? why should she be? >> okay, donald trump on stage now in pueblo, colorado, an early start again. he is expected to address the tax issue out there. i'll take you live.
>> it's so great to be out here in pueblo, colorado, we love pueblo. and those two gentlemen are amazing men, and i want to thank them to being with us. you know, pueblo is called home of the heroes, did you know that? because of your proud tradition of military service. pueblo is the home of four medal of honor recipients. and i just got the endorsement of 19 altogether. 19. so when you have 19, that is pretty good. but you have four, which is amazing, and it's amazing, and as president eisenhower said, there must be something in the water out here in pueblo. welco because all of you guys turn out to be heroes, is there something in the water?
give me some of that water. we're going to strengthen the military and make it truly, truly strong again. another great colorado legacy is hunting and fishing. my sons know that very well. they're here all the time. we're going to conserve your land for the future generations and we're going to save your second amendment, which is under siege. a lot of people in this room. this is very impressive. thank you, thank you, great honor. it's a great honor. one other issue of such great importance in colorado is energy. crooked hillary clinton wants to shut down the mines and shut down shale and shut down oil and natural gas and we're going to
end the war on american energy. and we are going to put the miners back to work. they have to be put back to work. i've also made a centerpiece of my economic revitalization plan, the largest middle class tax cut since ronald reagan and the largest regulatory reform in american history. we're going to do that. and hillary clinton is going to increase your taxes very, very substantially. and she admits it. at least she admits it. but that is because i know how over-taxed and over-regulated the working people and companies for this country are. a central issue i would like to address today is our broken tax code. an issue of concern to all americans. along with securing our borders, rebuilding our military, keeping us safe are terrorism, redoing
our trade bills and bringing back jobs, and they're sort of one and the same -- fixing our broken tax code is one of the main reasons i'm running for president. i have been saying from the beginning of this campaign how ridiculous, complex and yes, unfair the tax system is. it is an unfair system. and so complex that very few people understand it. fortunately, i understand it. this is not the fault of the irs, but the political class that is owned outright by the special interests and lobbyists, believe me. it's these politician s who wroe the tax code and are constantly revising a complicated set of
laws, all at the behest of their donors who want special provisions it in. and they won't take no for an answer, nobody understands it. the average american needs lawyers to wade through it. many so-called experts due to their sheer size and complexity of the code don't have a clue as to what these issues mean. these are experts and they don't even know what it represents. the unfairness of the tax laws is unbelievable, something i've been talking about for a long i'm, despite being fnkly a big beneficiary of the laws. but i'm working for you now, i'm not working for trump. believe me.
i understand the tax laws better than almost anyone, which is why i am one who can truly fix them. i understand it. i get it. and that is what i commit to do. we want fairness. we want money brought in. and we want money to be spent when it goes out. because they spend our tax dollars so unfairly and unwisely. remember that. as a businessman and real estate developer i have legally used the tax laws to my benefit. and to the benefit of my company, my investors and my employers. i mean, honestly, i have brilliantly -- i have brilliantly used those laws. i have often said, on the campaign trail that i have a fiduciary responsibility to pay
no more tax than is legally required, like anybody else, or to put it another way, to pay as little tax as legally possible. and i must tell you, i hate the way they spend our tax dollars. and believe me, that makes a difference, as a major real estate developer in this country and throughout the world i face enormous taxes, city taxes, state taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, employee taxes, federal taxes, vat taxes. it's my job to minimize the tax system to my best ability, which allows me to build properties which build tremendous growth in the community and always helps our provider of jobs and we always have to help our small businesses. what it's all about.
what it's all about. the news media is now obsessed with an alleged tax filing from the '90s at the end of one of the most brutal economic downturns in our history. if you remember the '90s, other than i would say 1928 there was nothing even close. the conditions facing real estate developers in that early period was almost as bad as the great depression of 1929, and far worse than the great recess of 1998, not even close. what was a great era of ronald reagan changed dramatically, and the landscape cahanged with it. bank failures, the absolute destruction of the savings and loan industry. and the implosion of the
industry. many of my competitors and some of my friends were not able to survive. companies, jobs and opportunities were lost, and lives were destroyed. as tens of thousands of people were put out of work. some of the biggest and strongest people in companies went absolutely bankrupt. which i never did, by the way. are you proud of me? would have loved to have used that card, but i just didn't want to do it. thank you. yet today, my company is bigger, stronger, far greater assets than its ever had before. more premium properties, we emoyhousands of people and over the years employed thousands and thousands of people, which is the thing that frankly makes me most happy. that did not happen by luck, that happened by action, and
talent. lot of talent. i was able to use the tax laws of this country and my business acumen, to dig out of the real estate mess, you would call it a depression when few others were able to do what i did. and those most -- thank you. i'm a star, thank you, you are too. they were amazing times. in those most difficult times with so many had their backs to the wall, i reached within myself and delivered for my companies, my employees, my family and the communities were where my properties existed. and i really delivered. those who spend their entire lives within the confines of government work and no absolutely nothing of business fail to understand the skill, the sheer grit to climb out of an economic depression of the
hillary clinton has never created a single job in her entire life. by the way, we have somebody who has. where is bernie marcus? bernie marcus, founder of home depot. go to home depot. he only created about hundreds of thousands -- how many jobs has home depot produced right now, bernie? how much? >> millions. >> bernie, that's a lot of jobs. a great guy, a great man, an unbelievable entrepreneur. somebody who put a lot of people to work. and home depot is a great company. and thank you for being here, bernie, thank you. appreciate it. they have not added a single dollar of value, people like hillary clinton to the american economy. hillary clinton has not made an honest dollar in her entire life.
all she does is take from you, takes from your country. and peddles influence to donors, special interests, and foreign actors for huge amounts of money like you have never seen before. it's corruption of the highest order, you know it, she knows it. and plenty of other people know about it but they're not doing anything about it. >> all right, we have been listening to donald trump in a rally out in pueblo, colorado, he addressed an issue that had taken over in the last few hours, that is the publication in "the new york times" about his tax filing, 1999, a tax filing showing he claimed a lost $916 million, and he may not have paid taxes for the next 18
years, a potential, bashing the tax system there, but then admitting he personally benefitted. he says not to worry, because i'm working for you now, i'm not working for trump. he said i have legally used the tax laws to my benefit and the benefit of my company. he said he had a duty to do that. he also used the benefit back in the '90s when the tax filing of course, where the country faced a recession in the '90s, he put context, saying i was able to dig myself out of a real estate mess that many others could not. so donald trump, the first publication of that 1990 tax form, donald trump addresses it in his speech out in pueblo, colorado, going to bring in hugh hewett, both msnbc contributors.
so hugh, donald trump says we have a bad tax system in the country, you can blame the politicians for it, but can't blame me for using it. >> is it going to sell? that is exactly the question. i might have added in that the losses he took were done under the bill clinton tax reform of 1993, and came out of the clinton-triggered recession of those years, and calling on bernie marcus, asking, the founder of home depot, but of the job creator's network. a sponsor of my show, so i know about it. they have tens of thousands of businesses across the united states who believe in tax reform. so donald trump wants to boomerang this issue. that was the beginning of it if he wants to stay on this issue. don't be mad at "the new york times," but talk about the tax code and how you're in a unique
position to change it. >> okay, the disciplined trump lasts only so long. just revel in it, hugh. here are a couple of things, steve that i got out of the bit that we saw from mr. trump. one where he says our tax dollars this and that, the point of "the new york times" story is that donald trump apparently has not paid taxes and possibly has not paid taxes for 18 years. the other thing, more interestingly, seteve, when he talks about how lobbyists won't take no for an answer, that is why the tax code is so complicated and skewed to the wealthy and the folks who pay as little taxes as possible. the problem is, what happens if the president doesn't even propose any of the fixes that a lobbyist could say no to?
and here, we have a candidate saying yeah, i worked the system to pay zero in taxes and how will that work itself out if he becomes president of the united states? as i mentioned before, in his economic plan he says nothing about the regulation he was able to use to not potentially pay taxes for 18 years. so he can stand there and be as disciplined as he wants but until he releases his tax returns and puts himself at an economic disadvantage, by way of the tax code -- >> he didn't fully acknowledge the tax return in "the new york times" over the weekend was indeed as he called it, an alleged tax filing. he called it a defense, if it is a tax filing. he called it an alleged tax filing. officially confirming that it
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all right, presidentbama going to head down to florida this week to campaign for hillary clinton, the hillary clinton campaign certainly hoping he can push her over the top in that battleground state. hard to see her losing the election if she wins florida. how much can he help her? right now, he has a 53% rating, let's compare him to others at this point. in the height of the battle to have their successor chosen you see at this point in 2008, look at that, 27%, george bush, nowhere to be seen for john mccain back in 2008. and bill clinton had all that personal baggage, the monica
lewinski scandal, and al governor never figured out how to use him in the campaign, bill clinton was largely sidelined despite that approval rating. and ronald reagan, 54%, on the up-swing, falling off during the iran contra scandal, and he was active during george w. bush, many people say the story of george w. bush was the result of reagan winning the campai. we'll see more on the campaign, joining me now, chris jansing, live at the white house spending the day checking out what the president is going to be up to. chris, this is really the first time since 1988 since we've seen a president fully engaged on the campaign trail for his successor. what is in store for the obama campaign? >> yeah, you can actually go back 100 years before you see anything. this is an aggressive year for
the the president, he believes h he can help her with young people, and african-americans. obviously, she has been under-performing with those groups. and the music festival in austin, it's not a campaign event. it just happens to bring together, they planned it long before they knew she would have this problem. but it brings together the type of aggressive organizations that hillary clinton will need. so the start for the resident, to a group of college kids at an historically black university in florida, here is part of my conversation with press secretary josh earnest. >> so no coincidence that he is going for his first big event in this final push to a historically black college in florida? >> yeah, the biggest swing state of them all, the place where the president won twice. the president's message is people have to not
under-estimate the significance of the ballot. the outcome of this election is every bit as important. >> so they need to get people engaged. two parts really for starters, they want to get people registered and obviously want to have people to get out to do early voting. they will be doing a lot of digital stuff here tonight on that stage. you will see the president with leonardo dicaprio, and the first lady will be out, she will be out at least once a week during october. that would be huge for hillary clinton, steve. >> all right, chris jansing, at the white house there looks like a beautiful day this our nation's capital. thank you for that. and coming up, we just saw
donald trump speaking out there in colorado right now trying to make a late play for that state. but we showed you earlier some very bad poll numbers for donald trump out in colorado, not just in terms of winning that state but maybe in terms of his much bigger goal of winning the re presidency. we'll have more on the race for 2017. stay with us. did it say "great news. you're covered!" on page five? no. it said, "blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah..." the liberty mutual app with coverage compass™ makes it easy to know what you're covered for and what you're not. liberty stands with you. liberty mutual insurance. here you go.picking up for kyle. you wouldn't put up with part of a pizza. um. something wrong? so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? you want the whole thing? yes, yes! live whole. not part. aleve.
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number of the day is 9-9, as in, nine electoral votes where donald trump is speaking right now. and nine electoral numbers in the state where we got a poll today. that is colorado, and check this out. hillary clinton, an 11-point lead for hillary clinton over donald trump, 49-38. remember, this is a state, it was republican for a long time. president obama was able to carry it in 2008, and 2012, we thought it was going to be a real tight race this time around, but hillary clinton up significantly, by 11 points. more than that, in the last few weeks, we've seen a number of polls out in colorado suggesting that donald trump was making this thing a real fight. remember, the clinton campaign was feeling confident over the summer. they started advertising over the summer. we thought it was a significant blue state, we saw numbers thinking wow, something is
happening. but the 11-point debate bounce that hillary clinton got, not just because of the debate but because of the public spat he got into with the former ms. universe. that puts her in a solid lead for colorado, what would it mean for the race in terms of 270 explosive look at the toss-up states, for donald trump, looking at the polling coming out bad in florida and north carolina. even if donald trump were able to win all the toss-up states, and that is big if's right there. what he needs to do is reach into the solidly blue states and pull off an upset. people thought it would be colorado, that poll is a long shot. maybe it has to be in pennsylvania, new hampshire, wisconsin, if you're getting crazy here, michigan, new mexico, he would have to pull off an upset on top, on top of winning all the toss-up states,
some of which he seems to be falling behind at least in the wake of the debate. that is why the polling news is bad for donald trump, the most news of the day. and tomorrow, all-day coverage from farmville, virginia, it will be pence and king. we'll be here in the morning and live at night. i'm steve kornacki. that will do it for us. mtp daily starts right now. only the third day of october and the surprises just keep on comeing. >> reporter: tonight, hillary clinton and donald trump kick off rallies, it's anyone's guess what happens next? >> i'm working for you now, not for trump. >> plus, why the runningmate on the ticket is perhaps the most challenging of