that's the most important number of the day. 66.5 million people watched that. how did that compare to the first debate? i will get that right. it's less. 84 million watched the first presidential debate. 66 million for the sequel. mtp daily starts now. >> if it's monday, it's donald trump's polls and he tries to reenergize voters moments ago. >> how many have watched the debate last night? how many of you. we did good. we did good. >> hillary clinton's lead hitsa i new high and trump drops to a new low. >> to paraphrase my friend michelle obama, one of us went
high and one went low. >> can they stem the tide of a down ballot disaster and seth meyers in the rise of the trump campaign. >> sincere apologies. >> this is mtp daily and it starts right now. good evening. in washington tonight and for my friend chuck todd, fasten your seatbelts after last night's ugly showdown, there may be no turning back. for 29 days, the road to the white house looks like it will dive deep into the gutter. trump threatening more dirt on his running mate cheering last night's spectacle. >> bill clinton sexually assaulted innocent women and hillary clinton attacked those women viciously. if they want to release more tapes saying inappropriate
things, we will continue to talk about bill and hillary doing inappropriate things. there are so many of them. >> last night my running mate showed the american people what's in his heart. he showed humility to the american people. and then he fought back and turned the focus to the choice that we face and i'm proud to stand with donald trump. >> donald trump and mike pence playing to their base. if you want to understand why, they have been hemorrhaging support. check this out. this is a new poll of likely voters conducted immediately after the revelation of trump's vulgar 2005 comments and before last night's debate. this is a four-way race. trump is down 11 points, effectively a landslide. in a head to head matchup,
hillary is up 14 points. that would be a catastrophe and democrats have a lead on which party should control congress. that's a generic question being asked. with a party in crisis, we saw a triage effort from trump. this was a debate performance to regroup where the republican base has been chomping to destroy hillary clinton. >> bill clinton was abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked the same women and attacked them viciously. four of them are here tonight. >> she has tremendous hatred. >> i was surprised to see him sign on with the devil. i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. >> it's awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge in our country. >> you would be in jail.
>> he saved his candidacy and by shoring up his base and wreaking havoc on the hill. paul ryan telling republicans in a conference call that he will not defend trump or campaign with him. he was suggesting that he thinks this race is over. his rallying cry is make sure clinton doesn't get a blank check with a democrat controlled congress. they put out this statement saying the speaker was going to spend the next month focused entirely on protecting our congressional majority. after slamming them yesterday, trump ripped into ryan saying he should spent time on balancing the budget and jobs and illegal immigration and not waste time on fighting the republican nominee. >> i'm drawn by the adviser sarah huck abee sanders. is what we saw the trump campaign's road maps to success
on election night? >> i think last night was a great night for donald trump. he showed he was presidential and showed he was strong and showed he was developed and on message. hillary was rattled and unhinged and the i think it was right for the american people to see. anyone watching that would say donald trump decisively won. >> just to say, the latest poll, cnn, the only that came out said in fact he lost by their calculation 57% to 34%. what are you seeing that they missed? >> i think they must have only poled the clintons because every single person i talked to and based on the reaction of the clinton campaign themselves, they know that last night was a loss for them. anybody that said hillary clinton won the debate didn't watch it or was spinning if are hillary clinton. i think the contrast for america was very clear and again every bit of evidence i have seen with people i talked to said donald
trump won hands down. >> one of the pieces of news is house speaker paul ryan saying he will no longer defend donald trump. do you now view ryan is what trump described as a self righteous hypocrite? this has been about a grass roots movement since day one and never about washington, but effort people from across america. it's not going to change because of that support. >> she part of that grass roots movement. look, i think he is a lot more a part of the washington crowd than he is the grass roots crowd. this is focused on the crowd and he will continue that movement and that's one of the big reasons that donald trump won the primary and one of the
reasons he will win the general in november. >> you are satisfied without that support. you can win without him? >> we would love to have it. i think we can certainly win without him being out on the trail. >> how do you combat charges that donald trump using bill clinton's accusers as a shield for his own misconduct. >> the clintons wanted to start going into the gutter. and i think that the goal here is hillary clinton herself said she wanted to give voice to anybody who was a victim of sexual assault. she silenced the voices of those women. ideally our campaign and probably theirs as well would love to move on to the actual issues. i think it's a real disservice
to the american people. they only talk about the personal flaws of the candidates over the next 30 days and let's talk about the economy and national security. when we do that, donald trump wins and if we stay focused on the issues, no doubt he will win in november. >> before the debate he brought out the four women that the campaign called. what changed? trump said that he was courageous for not getting into the gutter with the clintons in the 1990s scandal. if that displays courage, was last night an act of desperation? >> i don't think so. hillary clinton went into the gutter in the first debate. >> on what? >> when she brought up the miss universe comments. >> that was the gutter? this was donald trump's comments. is that the gutter or does that describe what she casts asa his lack of fitness to be president.
>> she is going into the personal flaws. both of these candidates are flawed as we all are. we are flawed people. the big difference is hillary clinton is not only a flawed person, but has flawed policy. she has been in government for 30 years and has nothing to show for it. donald trump created jobs and not just talked about it. he is somebody who is ready to be a leader and step in and improve our economy and secure the border and rebuild the military and all the things that hillary failed to do. >> he said he would jail a political opponent. is that appropriate behavior for a chief executive? >> his point is anybody else if you are last name is clinton would have been penalized and maybe put in jail. hillary clinton gets to play by a different set of rules than the rest of america.
under a trump presidency, that won't continue. >> how do supporters cheer that after all the criticism of president obama as a dictator. trump is talking about overriding the head of thebi and attorney general. >> his point is that he would enforce the law. it's very clear that hillary clinton broke the law. she had a subpoena and deleted e-mails after that took place. >> she was never found to have broken the law. >> we would need a special prosecutor and found out she had. if he is president, he would investigate these things further by using a special prosecutor and i don't think he would like that the american people would like what they would find. >> they are in the hands of the president to pursue those. nice to see you. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> that's our panel. with "usa today," the republican deal maker super lawyer and nbc
political analyst. we brought that up a little bit. with "the chicago tribune," nice to see you guys in person. ladies first. your reaction? this strategy for the trump campaign saying this is working for them. >> we see the division and that must have been part of that to the trump republican party. they managed to win the nomination and he won it fair and square, but the interest of these two groups are diverging. you can see it with republicans being unwilling to defend or support donald trump. donald trump not concerned about the effect he will have down the ballot. >> where does the campaign go from here? they talk about throwing her in jail and bringing out bill's accusers and calling her the devil. can they sustain this for 29 more days and who is embracing this? >> at some point you have to
tell people why their future will be better if you are elected. what does unite the branches of the republican party is a fear of a clinton agenda for four years. what paul ryan did today is really to say that the four-year agenda with hillary clinton as president, you need bumpers for that. the commonality between the party is that unchecked power is a very, very bad thing. the house and the senate will deal with their raises. >> with the "wall street journal" poll, 52% of republicans supporters of donald trump said their support is based on their despising hillary clinton rather than their support of donald trump. who does for the folks in the middle and the people are the difference between winning over the base and moving into the
white house, what are they thinking right now for pursuing those people? >> they are including a sense of deja vu as we see the numbers bouncing back for hillary clinton the way she appears to be taking more of a commanding lead now. right now donald trump should be reaching out already to the swing voters in the middle of the undecideds or uncommitted. they are trying to rebuild his base because of the recent controversy over the last few days. that doesn't leave him much time and i can see why paul ryan is trying to leave the rest of the party to guard the positions. they have shown very short coat tail fist any for donald trump. they have a good shot at maintaining republican control and one of the questions this afternoon was is the rnc holding the conference the same way paul
ryan has won. you were speaking that they said it is in full coordination and it wasn't clear that that would be the conclusion. >> here's the practical reality of that. the rnc money at this stage because of the fund-raising is trump money. if the rnc doesn't have much of an independent fund-raises base, all the ground games that you are seeing is much more generated by the house and senate candidate and some states there is more coordination than others. >> look at the effect. at 38% in the race. 35% here. >> four points and 11 points. >> that is the margin that they can't make up in swing states. he could lose by points in pennsylvania and pat toomey might be able to win the senate
race, if he is that low, that is a chasm for candidate finedidat states. >> the republican party survives this? >> yes, the republican party survives it and will survive in stronger positions depending on the electoral results, but there are principaled conservative republicans on all the down ballot s. >> stay with us. we will be back to you and we will talk about the races a little bit and new ads hitting the candidates with donald trump's own words. we will talk to deb whoa just wrapped up a rally with hillary clinton in her home state of detroit. keep it here.
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almost impossible. the defections there and the state is still uncertain as he can vote for his parties after watching last night's debates after the republican senator had support. john casic has never supported trump and there are cracks in the gop and democrats are looking to capitalize. clinton held narrow leads in ohio in two polls last week. a voter registration event at the ohio state university just a couple of hours from now. day before the voter registration deadline in ohio. president obama hitting the trail for clinton in that state twice this week. coming up, we will talk about the clinton campaign's next move going forward. back after this on more "mtp daily" justice is spelled b-o-x.
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. last night when i got a chance, i tried to speak directly to the questions that are on people's minds. donald trump spent his time attacking when he should have been apologizing. >> that was hillary clinton this afternoon in detroit where she once again invoked michelle obama's line when they go low, we go high as she explained her strategy. on numerous occasions clinton chose not to engage and not interrupting to challenge accusations. here is one example. take a listen. >> captain khan is an american hero. and if i were president at that time he would be alive today because unlike her who voted for the war without knowing what she was doing, i would not have had our people in iraq. iraq was a disaster. so he would have been alive
today. >> clinton did mention in her rebutaal that trump supported the war in iraq. many noticed how mike pence handled frequent eruptions by tim kaine, a tactic that pence was widely praised for. i want to bring in my guest who attended clinton's event earlier today in detroit where your home state is michigan, not detroit. i want to get your reaction to hillary clinton's performance and were you surprised he chose not to interrupt where captain khan would be alive when she didn't vote for the iraq war. >> peter, first of all it's great to be with you. i thought hillary did the right thing. this also went through my mind when donald trump said that when he blamed george w. bush who was the president who took us into
iraq. for captain khan's deh. he was just bouncing off walls including walking around and watching the weird way he would get so close to her and i don't know what that was all about either. i thought she did a great job. >> it wasn't it great in punctuating the points than she did in the first debate. it seemed she was more passive. was that strategic to see if he would implode? >> i think he did implode & i think it was strategic. he was saying so many things that were so far off from the truth. a lot of things that were victory and didn't make sense. i think she wanted to talk about her plans for the future and the jobs and lowering the cost of college and lowering the cost of prescription drugs and focusing on the questions coming from the audience. i think she made the decision to
let him just ramble and implode. >> to be fair, some people disagree with that. he prosecuted a much better case against hillary clinton versus the first debate with the two. a lot of americans were waiting to hear her response to alleged leaked excerpts from the paid speeches from the hacked e-mail account. those e-mails she needs to have a public and private position on certain issues. i want to play her response and get your response. >> as i recall that was something i said about abraham lincoln after having seen the wonderful steven spielberg movie called lincoln. it was a master class watching president lincoln get the congress to approve the 13th amendment. it was principaled and it was strategic. i was making the point that it
is hard sometimes to get the congress to do what you want to do. you have to keep wng at it. >> of course donald trump used that moment and said she is nothing like honest abe and called her a liar. it seemed like she didn't have the prepared response. are you satisfied with that answer especially given the fact that so many americans still lack a trust. they don't believe hillary clinton or think she is trustworthy. >> they have to say someone who negotiated a lot of tough things in the senate as well as over the years. not at all. what i am concerned about, i
thought she did say that. for me the bottom line is we are talking about leaks coming from russian backed hackers who want donald trump to be president of the united states because they know they will be able to manipulate and he doesn't know anything. he has no experience. the bigger issue, i think, and i am very concerned and we now know and remember last night, donald trump said we don't know it was the russians. yes, we do. we do know it's the russians. all of his talk about how wonderful putin is and when he goes on russian tv and praises the russian president and attacks the president of the united states which at any other time would be viewed as treason. when he is doing all of that, that is a bigger concern to me than what she was talking about. >> wouldn't you agree that hillary clinton would hit back and get the desired reset that
failed? isn't that a desired response? >> what that means in a grown up world where you are negotiating and governing in a complex world, there are times that you work together. there are times when you have to be tough. we know underneath it all that russia is not our friend. you always verify as president reagan talked about. as we can do an iran nuclear agreement and bring in russia and china and for our safety and israel's safety and so on. when you are talking about whether or not you are going to praise putin as being a better leader than the president of the united states, time out. that goes way too far. it's just an example of why he is so far over his head and
unfit to be president. more important low to me is that hillary is fighting for the things that we care about in michigan and detroit. she was with us on the auto industry when donald trump said let them go bankrupt. she said she appreciates that we are rolling back and donald trump said we are horrible. and we in michigan are looking forward to a president hillary clinton. >> they still believe his message resonates with them. >> i appreciate your time and thank you very much. >> sure. >> a little bit of breaking news from the campaign trail into msnbc. trump is going to fly on the press plane with reporters to his next stop in pennsylvania. this seems a little insider. this is a first this campaign season. when i flew with mitt romney, we were with him through the course of the campaign. this time around, trump has been flying on a separate plane separate from the reporters throughout the course of the
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>> this election can use a few lighthearted moments. the host of late night with seth meyers. daring donald trump to rain. you a political comedian or a comedian. >> i'm talking a lot about politics and didn't consider it ever before, but i think this campaign for the first time in my life. >> and you feel like they have to always drive it. >> we feel like we developed to the point that after the first 15 minutes is the newspaper act. we want the monologue be on the
day and the longer closer look we want them to be of the day. we hope people feel like i have to watch this tonight because by tomorrow it will be old. >> you feel that there is a full circleness and donald trump and the presidency considering that your last big splash in washington was the singest most famous line here is of the most iconic lines. >> donald trump said he will run for president as a republican. i assumed he was running as a joke. >> obviously it's that moment you didn't know his expression that night. everybody else i'm sure you have seen this clip. there has been reporting and speculation that said the ridicule he received that night
gave him more drive to prove everyone wrong and run. >> sincerest apologies to everyone if that's the case. the thing i remember that night, president obama told his jokes first and you spend as much time as we did, you don't want to have to drop any of them. my biggest fear is obama would go after trump which he did. >> that was an epic night. when he came in with born in the usa, i remember thinking and i was sitting at the table with all your friends. i was going uh oh, you have to follow that. >> you can tell some really harsh jokes on these political figures.
and ask you about this on the other side. >> the most important election and you want our tina to stand there with that horrible woman. what do you have to say for yourself. >> this is governor palin. >> hi there. >> forgive me, but i feel i must say this. you are way hotter in person. >> is it awkward. do you tiptoe around someone you were rough on? >> that was the case where sarah palin, governor palin, that appearance happened after most of the stuff we had done. i hep her memory of that night was a positive one. i feel like we were polite to her and tried to take good care of her on camera.
that was the year where senator mccain came on before the election. that's chris christie and mike huckabee and i think it's really nice when two people who maybe don't agree on everything can come together for purposes of a good time. >> whenever they do it, it always makes him look better. that was one of the best moments. >> i would argue that when she was at the update, amy poehler was hard core rapping. that was more endearing. >> of the presidential candidates, cruz, sanders, kasich, graham former president clinton and biden. sarah palin. who was the most fun? >> bernie both times is a fun guy to talk to. ted cruz was the one i enjoyed the most. >> did that surprise you? >> yeah. you can tell he comes from a
debate background. he does not stick to script. you don't feel like he comes with canned lines. he was willing to answer my questions in a way that other people -- you find it on this show all the time. people use these moments on television to just find their way to a speech they are used to delivering on stage. these are different means of communication. senator to me understood he was on late night television and understood he was a bit of an away game for him and i found him to be a good sport. >> did you think it would be more fun than snl. >> i thought it would be more boring than snl. >>. >> another northwestern wild cat and more breaking news regarding 2016. the tampa bay times reporting that in what would be a victory for democrats. a federal judge ordered voter
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vote. i'm not sure i'd vote for either one if i had to. if the election were tomorrow. >> have you ever not voted before? >> that's what paps me to say. that's where i'm at. >> there was one other side that remained apprehensive after last night's debate. the strategies asked 31 undecided voters in the battle ground about their impressions after the debate. 23 believed clinton won, but that didn't mean she won their votes. only ten said she moved the needle. after feeling like a lot of questions remained unanswered. >> i need to know more. >> it's more of the question. >> here got off the subject and she was spinning. >> they tried to redirect him and they continued to barb her
and didn't go after her husband as well. it let me down a little bit. nice to see you. we played that among these three dozen undecided voters. >> something we have seen. secretary clinton did well. they were testing the debate and trump had low moments. voters are torn between the doubts and concerns. the mistake and the trump campaign thinks the way they are going to turn fortunes around is by going more negative and what you saw in the group and we asked that before the debate started. they thought the race was too negative. you may be halling your base by
going after secretary clinton in a harsh way, and a lot of voters wanted to see contrition following the lewd comments from 2005 that came out about the salties. here's part of that exchange. >> i felt he was being dismissive and he was not taking it as seriously as i would have liked him to address it. >> he has been bashing women for a long time. >> is this a defining issue? >> it's a defining issue because it enforces a preexisting narrative about you. folks have heard about the tape and especially the women. when they were open to getting him the benefit of the doubt, they wanted to hear what he
would say. instead of confronting it in a contrite manner, he made light of it and almost rationalized it. >> they explained why he may vote for trump anyway. >> the reason what i said he won the debate is he is being himself. >> the reason i think that i will lean towards trump now is because hillary clinton is a politician. i don't believe anything she says. my problem is credibility issue. >> that's one of trump's best assets. people don't like her. when we asked how many want change, every hand goes up. they try to figure it out and conflicting dynamics and people want dmatic change.
they are not satisfied and they look at what kind of change are we going to get. and in the last few days, it scares them. with secretary clinton, they love her policy knowledge and know she is ready to do the job, but they need to hear more. >> it's a winning message and only 29 days. >> what i would say is trump is making a mistake that saying that you shouldn't vote for clinton is not a winning strategy. they should make the argument why they should vote for you. >> nice to see you in concern. the panel is up next. is it a professor who never stops being a student? is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own? or is it a lifetime of work
somebody apologizes, that the right thing to do is to forgive them. >> north carolina senator richard burr there confirming his support for donald trump just this afternoon. down-ballot republicans, right now they are in just a really tough spot. do they condemn trump to keep support from people offended by his inappropriate remarks, or support trump after the base applauded his performance last night. of course, the easiest course of action would be to stay quiet and try to ride out the storm. but many don't have that luxury. in the next seven days, there are a set of debates in eight relatively close senate races. the timing couldn't be worse for those republicans. and you better believe that trump is going to be right at the center of that conversation. so with that, time to bring back our lid. the panel is here. we've got the pages, though not married. >> i'm between the pages. >> you are between the pages. we'll get to your chapter in a second. susan, i want to get a sense from you right now about this position that these republicans are in right now, and how you
think they've handled themselves. i think mike pence gave the framework today, and richard burr sort of used that same language. hey, i believe in forgiveness. if i can't forgive him, how can i ever expect god to forgive me. >> i don't think mike pence had a chance. it's risky, joe heck, the candidate in nevada went out and rescinded his endorsement after that provocative tape came out that suggested sexual assault. he got booed from that audience. so you're at risk of turning off trump voters who had provided the energy in this party this year if you do that, but you're at risk of being pilloried for independent and more moderate voter ifs you stick with it. >> let me quickly play this ad. it's from wisconsin, an open seat, an ad attacking the republican there, mike gallagher. take a listen. [ speaking spanish ]
>> mike gallagher says we have to support donald trump. >> i moved on her like a [ bleep ]. i couldn't get there. and she was married. when you're a star, you can do anything. grab 'em by the [ bleep ]. >> mike gallagher still says we have to support donald trump. no, we don't. we don't have to support mike gallagher either. >> a little hat tip to a spanish language ad, but that is going to be happening across the country for 29 days, isn't it? >> yeah, it is. and what every candidate is going to have to do, see it as an opportunity to define him or herself, and there are going to be different reactions from different candidates. some of the republican candidates believe in the populist change message of donald trump. some are more traditional. the important thing for candidates is to be true to themselves and who they are and that genuineness is ultimately what's going to come out. >> as paul ryan said today in his conversation with his republican conference, basically, you do whatever the heck you need to win in your
race. my concern is the house majority right now. this feud between trump and ryan right now, why pick another feud with paul ryan? >> well, i don't see an advantage for him to do that. but donald trump, personalizes his politics so much. if he feels personally offended, some may become his enemy. you give him a compliment, even if you're vladimir putin, suddenly he loves you. but it's a basic rule of politics that you don't divide your base. and the base is obviously trump folks. but the question to all of these republicans in swing is states is how badly do you want moderate voters who are not committed to one side or the other, in which case, you come out as a principled politician, who makes the argument. and even if you get booed, you make the argument. >> susan, quickly, last thought to you. can donald trump win over any of those moderate republicans at this point, or is that a lost cause for him. >> it's hard to see how his debate performance reaches out to voters in the middle. >> ben, to you, the next 29
days? go high, go low, you're donald trump? >> well, look, he will cut a different path if he goes policy oriented, talks about himself as the change agent. hillary clinton, as focus group showed, is the politician. still a really compelling message. it doesn't get sidetracked on litigating the past. >> nice to see all of you. appreciate you being a part of this. we're back next with one more story you may have missed. ♪
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in case you missed it, trump voters really do not like hillary clinton. that's actually bad news for trump. just take a look at this. according to our new nbc news/"wall street journal," 37% of trump supporters say their vote is more for donald trump. 52% say their vote is nor against hillary clinton. that's more than half. as our political director, mark murray says the winning candidates have people voting for them, rather than against their opponent. in 2012, more of romney's voters said they were against obama than they were for him. you know how that one wound up. the same was true for john kerry in 2004. obviously, that was a lost. in 2008, both candidates had more people voting for them rather than against their opponent, but 81% of obama's supporters were voting for him, and that trumped's mccain's 61%. the bottom line, the anger that trump's voters feel for hillary clinton is likely not going to help trump win the white house