tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC October 11, 2016 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
>> congress men, who likes congressmen? >> donald trump declares war. >> it is really sad that we don't have stronger leadership on both sides? >> 28 days out, the republican nominee turns on republican. >> i think it's important that we let trump be trump. >> tonight new poll numbers. a new down ballot reality and new concerns about donald trump damages going beyond the republican party. >> for me personally, if hillary clinton gets in, i myself, i'm ready for a revolution because we can't have her in. >> yeah. don't say that. >> i'm just saying it. >> plus more trump tape fallout. >> when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> the conservative uprising against gop leadership for refusing to disavow trump. meanwhile, in florida. >> your vote, really, really, really counts. a lot. >> team clinton calls in backup to avoid repeating history and "all in" starts right now.
good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. with four weeks to the day until the election, the republican party's nominee for president has declared open war on the republican party. on defense and hemorrhaging endorsements after being caught on a 2005 tape making obscene predatory comments about what he likes to do to women, trump delivered a red meat performance making provocative attacks designed to shore up his base. and according to "the wall street journal" it worked. trump's support from key parts of his coalition got a big bounce after the debate. up 12 points among voters. the problem is that those groups are not enough to win the election, not even close. even after making up ground in the debate trump is still nine points behind hillary clinton among likely voters in a four-way race, which is why, as "the washington post's" jab et johnson points out, crowds like
these are his evidence that he can still win. crowds or his polls. four weeks to the election day with his base now revved up behind him, trump is fully armed to strike at every institution of american democracy, from the press, in the debates to the voting process to his own political party. not only has trump rallied his base behind him, he seems to have regained control o his twitter feed where this morning he hinted at a new game plan for the remaining 28 days of the race. quote, it's so nice the shackles have been taken off me and i can now fight for america the way i want to. apparently, that includes attacking the leadership of his own party. despite winning the second debate in a landslide. our very weak and ineffective leader paul ryan had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty. it's far more difficult than crooked hillary. they come at you from all sides. they don't know how to win. i will teach them, exclamation
point. scientific polls actually suggest clinton won the debate, trump only winning surveys that allowed unlimited voting. the republican nominee then took aim at senator john mccain, the only one to revoke his endorsement after the tape. the very foul mouthed senator john mccain begged for my support during the primary. i gave, he won. and dropped me over locker room remarks. mike pence was asked about that tweet. >> how do you respond to this when you have personally reached out to john mccain to try to get his support? isn't this all being undercut, all the work you have done? >> john mccain's an american hero. and he's my friend. and i was really proud that donald trump endorsed john mccain. >> is he twrong call him foul mouthed? >> look, i think it's very disappointing that after donald trump supported john mccain, that john mccain has chosen to withdraw his support. >> in other words, this is mccain's fault.
donald trump continued to harangue fellow republicans at a fund-raiser today. i think they forgot that there was an election because something happened last month where you didn't sey them, right? i said, why aren't they on the shows? why aren't they all over the place? sometimes it's harder to beat our own party than it is to beat the person on the other side. today trump is out with a tv ad that perfectly encapsulates its burn it all down approach. leaning heavily on the fear mongering that excites the base and almost no one else.
>> hillary clinton failed every single time as secretary of state. now she wants to be president. hillary clinton doesn't have the fortitude, strength or stamina to lead in our world. she failed as secretary of state. don't let her fail us again. >> i'm donald trump, and aapprove this message. >> a few things to note. the image of her fainting when she had pneumonia or coughing or tripping on the stairs and also note that chilling text at the end, donald trump will protect
you. he's the only one
who can. you can set aside the effect of that ad is diametrically opposed to what trump said about clinton just two nights ago at the debate. >> she doesn't quit. she doesn't give up. i respect that. i tell it like it is. she's a fighter. i disagree with much of what she's fighting for. i do disagree with her judgment in many cases, but she does fight hard and she doesn't quit, and she doesn't give up. and i consider that to be a very good trait. >> nothing sums up the state of the trump campaign better than a web ad screen grab from the breitbart home page yesterday. it's us against the world. joining me now congressman blake farenthold, republican from texas who has endorsed donald trump. do you think that paul ryan's leadership is weak and he's failed? >> i think folks are disappointed that he's withdrawn his campaigning for trump, but he's not withdrawn his
endorsement. >> what does that mean? >> probably means he still supports trump but he's not going to be all in. i'm all in. i'm here on the show with you. and i'm here to tell you donald trump is the way to go. >> do you think john mccain is foul mouthed and do you think he deserves the venom being directed at him by donald trump? >> listen, i think donald trump is hurt mep was playing on the republican team and some teammates after coming in and saying they were going to support donald trump have pulled out, and that actually bothers me. i gave my word to donald trump that i was going to support him and endorse him, until he does something so bad to make him worse than hillary, i'm still in. >> why did they withdraw his support? it seems to me they withdrew support he was caught on tape bragging about serial sexual assault. that was not enough for you to withdraw your support, but you do recognize that's what he was doing, correct? >> no.
i think this was a locker room talk that had -- >> locker room. >> ten years ago that he's apologized for. it was a private conversation that was -- >> congressman, if someone off the record in a locker room -- this was not in the locker room, this was the workplace. said i really like raping women. would that be locker room talk? >> again, you don't know the entire context of all this. >> you would be fine with that? >> i don't like what he said. >> if a tape came out -- >> donald trump can defend himself on that. >> if a tape came out with donald trump saying i really like to rape women, you would continue to endorse him? >> again, that would be bad. and i would have to consider -- i'd consider it. but again we're talking about what donald trump said ten years ago as opposed to what hillary clinton has done in the past two or three years. she's been -- the ad is right. she's been a failure as skt. she failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement in iraq.
you have benghazi, you have the red line in syria situation. >> congressman, this is interesting. were you in congress when the status of forces agreement was negotiated? >> i came in in 2010. it was negotiated -- >> before you left. >> i think before that. >> were you publicly and prominently opposed to the details of the bush administration's status of forces agreement? >> listen, i think we should have stayed in iraq -- i said that on a radio show that i was on. >> no on the record were you on the record supporting the status of forces agreement back when it was negotiated in 2008? >> i was opposed to us pulling out of iraq. >> so you're on the record on that? >> back in 2008 i was on the radio every morning talking about issues like this. >> until he is worse than hillary clinton, you're going to continue to support hillary clinton. i'm genuinely curious what that would be? what would the line be when you
said i'm off the trump train and i can't endorse him. is there a thing the man can do, a thing revealed about his past or present that could even conceivably or theoretically cause you to withdraw your support? >> absolutely. but i think actions speak louder than words. and what all this kerfuffle is now are about words ten years ago. i don't think we can find anybody who hasn't said something at some point in their life they wouldn't want splashed across the tv screens. >> you know he's been actually accused -- sued for sexual assault. there's been other people he's actually sued for sexual assault by an underaged woman that are being litigated, they deny it, but there are other actions as well. >> let's talk about bill clinton and hillary clinton defending what her husband did, too, and those are pretty well documented as well. >> congressman blake farenthold, thank you very much. i appreciate it, sir. >> thank you. >> i'm joined by ben howe, contributing editor for red
state. ben, this is the ultimate told you so moment. i woke up this morning. we all watched him basically -- he might as well have tweeted an image of himself as the joker with a lit match. this is what folks like yourself have been saying in the republican party, this is what we warned you of. >> yeah, the previous guest, a congressman is a perfect example of what the entire republican party is going to experience for the next several years. more so if he was to somehow still win this. having to back up and support comments and statements and acti actions that are deplorable. he actually sat there for a moment and questioned whether or not he would continue to support someone after they said that they liked raping people. >> i just asked him that. >> when he was caught on tape saying i love raping women, would that make you withdraw your endorsement and congressman said that would be bad and he was unsure if that was the straw
that broke the camel's back. >> they have a candidate that can't be controlled. rather than continuing to push their own ideas or to have a base of what the party stands for, they decided to just latch on to whatever he says. that is the way to support trump. i've said that for a long time. if you want to support trump, what you have to could is pretend that everything he said is correct and deny lies right in front of your face, deny them that they even happened. that's the only way you can support him. there's no way that intellectually honestly support this guy. there's no way you can do it and that's one of the reasons i never have. >> he is now poised for -- i mean, matt mackowiak, he refers to a mass extinction event. the possibility of that. if he spends the next 28 days and we know that steve bannon has said he wanted to b-slap the
republican party. that he wants to bring down paul ryan. is steve bannon, the man behind breitbart who bragged about being his campaign manager before he came on board, they can cause tremendous damage. >> well, i think that causing tremendous damage is all they have left. i can't believe that people that are around him would actually think he has a shot at winning at this point. let's face it. there's no way that the october surprises are done. there's no way that donald trump is done making an ass out of himself. over and over. when ted cruz endorsed him, when other people that i used to support endorsed him, they would say, well, this is who he is and we all know who he is and they would forget that he's going to reveal new things. it's not just the stuff from 2005. it will be new thin things tha has said. going forward, people that don't understand that it's just going to get worse from here, it is
going to cause that mass extinction event that matt was talking about. >> you have written really powerfully about the incentive structure in the sort of conservative media, the world of conservative movement. i want to be clear. i don't want to get on my high horse because there's incentive structures everywhere, in cable news in other parts of the media. how much can you explain what we're seeing in the demand side of what the market demands from conservative media figures, from what the base demands from their politicians? >> well, look, i think that when it comes to conservative media, there has been a civil war of sorts. it's split up between people who lead by what they think and those who lead by what the base asks for. i do think there's a demand and it's obviously in the millions of people who just salivate for this outrage. they want this outranl culture. and i think donald trump feeds into that, obviously, and it's a
great circle jerk for lack of a better term. and i think that after the election is over, these guys are going to get together and they're going to continue to do that trump tv is something that i think is really going to happen. and bannon and breitbart and drudge and alex jones, all those guys are going to continue to feed off of this outrage culture and make money off of it. but i don't think that it represents a huge portion of the electorate. >> that is very accurate. we'll see where all this goes. still to come, republicans facing backlash for standing by trump after his infamous "access hollywood" comments. i'll speak with one republican who calls them coward ks and is now leading the party. donald trump stoking fierce of a rigged election could have lasting impact beyond november. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the ng brown path before me leading wherever i c cose.
election. he was attate again last night. >> i just hear such reports about philadelphia. and we have to make sure we're protected. we have to make sure the people of philadelphia are protected, that the vote counts are 100%. everybody wants that. but i hear these horror shows. i hear these horror shows. and we have to make sure that this election is not stolen from us and is not taken away from us. >> trump has made such claims over and over on his website. he's even recruiting poll watchers to, quote, help me stop crooked hillary from rigging this election. stop the steal which warns if this election is close, they will steal it. a claim justified in the conservative by false ideas that democrats have benefited from widespread voter fraud. amplified on websites like breitbart, anyone who challenges trump is rigging the data in the
system. >> they said there's no way we're three down. even the polls are crooked. look, we're in a rigged system, folks. >> for trump and his supporters, no one is more crooked than the opponent he plans to jail, the woman who starts spontaneous chants of lock her up. >> crooked hillary clinton, she's crooked as three dollar bill. okay. here's one. just came out. lock her up is right. >> the first presidential debate, trump said he would support clinton if she won. then he backtracked. we're going to have the see. imagine for a moment that if trump were to lose and he simply refuses to accept the outcome, instead holds rallies to fundamentally reject the authority and legitimacy of a clinton administration. at a town hall in iowa, we got a glimpse of what that might look like. a woman who identified herself as rhonda stood up and said
she's on social media nonstop and scared of voter fraud and won't accept anything but a trump victory. >> i will tell you just for me, i don't want this to happen, but for me personally, if hillary clinton gets in, i myself, i'm ready for a revolution because we can't have her in. >> don't say that. >> but i'm just saying it. you know, i like trump. am i the only one speaking for people here? >> joining me now contributor to "the new york times magazine." you were shaking your head at that clip. >> for one thing, one observation i have is if trump tries to start a post election revolution insisting that we should contest the results of this, mike pence will be out of there like a kerosene cat. he's looking at 2020. he's not going to want to have any part of this. but the other observation i have is that it's a pity. trump is really taking his supporters for a ride here. and in a lot of ways he doesn't
like hillary clinton but this is more just his competitive nature more than anything else. the people he really can't stand are the republican establishment. his entire campaign is premised on that. he believes that the establishment was trying to rig the selection process, deny him the nomination. there's been an uneasy relationship between them. now it has metastasized, that's the real foe. >> you have this great piece about the conservative civil war that came out last week in "the new york times magazine." the structure of belief among the faithful in the trump base and the way in which once you turn on trump, you could go from being a trusted repository of insight and facts and truth to being a traitor who no one listens to anymore. it happened to erick erickson. you document that. i wonder when you apply that to the broader phenomenon to all the institutions of american govern ernst, if there is some
group of american people who anyone against trump is illegitimate. >> there's a real potential for that, chris, after the election. you layer that with the dashl problem that would face a president hillary clinton if she gets elected, and this seething and abiding contempt for her amongst house republicans. so you have these people then who are essentially going to reject the entire process and all the institutions supporting it. you have then another faction of people mainly house republicans who are probably already contemplating drafting articles of impeachment. they're probing through wikileaks right now for impeachment articles. a pretty ugly prescription that we have for any kind of hope of stable government going forward. >> and you were the one, i believe, who had that incredible reporting about the now infamous 2009 inauguration leaders, mitch
mcconnell, in which they decided total, complete full spectrum obstruction was the strategy. and we in some ways, this was -- they're reaping the rewards of that. >> yeah. now, you know, it's worth pointing out that i did report that in my book on the house of representatives. at the time it was conceived by frank luntz with other republicans crying on each other's shoulders. they saw this incredible inaugural event with barack obama with huge crowds and it was really, wow, what do we do next? it was only in what was meant to be a cathartic moment, just say no to everything he does. that laid a predicate for a governance of noastasized into >> you're a great reporter, robert, i follow your reporting
religiously and your writing. you write about tremendous insight and empathy. are you worried about the fundamental institutions of american government at this point? >> well, yeah, either way. if donald trump is elected president, i can see a lot of these republicans who have fallen in with him, albeit with a certain glumness and certain wariness. i can see an authoritarian trump administration that would compel them to draft articles of impeachment. i'm not telling you anything here that you don't know, chris, that republicans have for decades been hearing contem contemptible things of hillary clinton. they really do believe she's the spawn of lucifer. the idea that they'll be chastened by even a landslide defeat really stretches credulity. >> robert draper, that got dark. >> yes, sorry about that. >> how far down can donald trump drag the republican party? the new down-ballot reality coming up.
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there are two people running for president. while one was waging war, the other was introducing progressive new policy. hillary clinton pledging more tax relief for families with young kids. announcing a plan to double the child tax credit and increase the amount of money that low income families could get back in refunds. a plan that anti-poverty experts have championed, aimed at improving the lives of millions of children living in poverty. in chase what is at stake is not clear, clinton took her campaign to the front lines, miami,
florida. clinton bringing along former vice president al gore. also highlighting the stark choice in this election. president obama who directly took on clinton's opponent including the remarks that trump made in the now infamous "access hollywood" tape. >> you don't have to be a husband or a father to hear what we heard just a few days ago and say that's not right. you just have to be a decent human being to say that's not right. >> ahead i'll talk with won conservative who has had just about enough of donald trump and the republicans and conservatives continue to stand by him. [chains dragging] [eerie music playing] [crickets chirping]
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this is the first woman to ever be in a general election presidential debates, and this was one of her three debates, that she had to go in there with that man and have him standing over her shoulder and have the women in the room and -- and -- it was so degrading. it was degrading to watch. i'm sure it was degrading to participate in. you could tell she was rattled. i mean, obviously her strategy was to stay calm and speak in a controlled voice, to not push back at all the things. here he is saying she has hate in her heart, he's saying she should be jailed. she doesn't really respond to any of it. you could tell she was working very hard to stay under control. terrible to watch. >> the degrading spectacle of the second presidential debate
held in the release of the infamous "access hollywood" tape. those out there are still defending trump's remarks. ben carson at first called the comments abominable only to shrug the whole thing off seconds later. >> as i was growing up people were always talking about their sexual conquest and trying to make themselves appear like don -- casanova. i'm surprised you haven't heard that. i really am. >> i haven't heard it. i know a lot of people who have not heard it. >> maybe that's the problem. maybe that's the problem. >> trump's son eric is chalking up his father's bragging as part of the alpha male. when guys are together they get carried away. and sometimes that's what happens when alpha males are in
each other's presence. senator marco rubio who is locked in a tight re-election race in florida, at first patting himself on the back for rejecting trump's offensive rhetoric then going on to say he still supports the guy. i disagree with him on many things but i disagree with his opponent on virtually everything. i do not want hillary clinton to be our next president, therefore my position has not changed. many conservatives have had enough of all this. that includes mary beth glenn who tweeted a storm denouncing republicans who haven't pulled their support from trump. he treats women like dogs and you go against everything i and other female conservatives said you were. get this straight. we don't need you to stand up for us. you needed to stand up for you for your dignity. joining me now mary beth glenn. she supported marco rubio and now supports independent
candidate mcmullen. what was going through your head? what prompted you to take to twitter with this i found very moving series of tweets? >> i had been talking about trump and the issues in the conservative movement for over a year now. talking about how trump will be a toxic and to the conservative movement if we let it. and it was just a combined between all of his talk about minorities and women and the way he treats the disabled. everything. it just all came to a head when all of a sudden on friday we had proof of him bragging about sexually assaulting women and yet all of our lawmakers were still supporting him or the vast majority that were supporting him continue their support for him. and i was truly revolted. i was just absolutely revolted. >> did it surprise you that so
many have stuck with him throughout? >> it really has. i mean, we can either, you know, the soul of the conservative movement is what is at stake right now. the fact that these men can't see that and women can't see that is really sad. i mean, we are turning people away from the conservative movement. it's for good reason. >> it's striking to me if you tally up republican office holders who have rejected trump, a much larger percentage of women have done so than men, whether that's members of congress, senate, governor, what does that say to you? >> well, it says that women see trump for who he is. you know, that's the surprising thing. this was not a shocking news clip that came out on friday. this was not some breaking story that we shouldn't have expected. this is who he is. this is who we knew he was.
we preached about this since day one saying that this is who this man is. the fact that this came as some revelation surprises me. can i was disheartened when i saw it, when i heard it. it's horrible. but it's something that i expected of him. actually, i expect much worse. you wonder what's going to come out now. but i mean, i expected that of them. so just for the fact that our lawmakers especially the men and, you know, the women have left -- a lot of the women have walked away. but the men and women that remain in support of him, they need to either decide that conservatism is going to survive or that they're going to go down in a titanic with trump because i don't see hill winning. he doesn't have the female support. he shouldn't have the female support. there's no reason for a woman to support this man, there just isn't. there are other options.
and we have our principles that we should be sticking to. there's no reason for women or men to be supporting this man. so the fact that these legislators are staying the on with him even though the ship is sinking is really telling. like i said, it angered me. i had supported these men for so many years, i had defended them for so many years, yet when the chips fall and they're supposed to defend us and they're supposed to defend women, they continue to support this monster. >> i should say, mary beth, you're not alone. christianity today editorial headlines, speak truth to trump urging people to vote against him. evangelical magazine world, unfit for power. so there are a lot of other people that feel the same way you do. mary beth glenn, thanks for your time. >> thank you so much. >> still to come, more of a particularly fired up president obama tonight unloading on donald trump and the republicans standing by him. we'll tell you what he said.
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thing 1 tonight rnc spokesman sean spicer is committed to his flacking duty in the same way a lawyer is bound to defend their client. as he told "the washington post" himself when he started working closely with the trump campaign. quote, there are doctors who help people who have done bad things. there are lawyers who defend bad people. i don't think it's unique to my profession. he was deployed to do damage control after it became clear that large parts of melania trump's rnc speech were lifted from michelle obama's speech. here's how he defended against those plagiarism accusations. >> melania trump said the strength of your dreams and you're willing tons work with them, twilight sparkle from my little pony said this is your
dream. >> you guys aren't taking it seriously. >> one day after that the trump campaign negated his events by admitting lines were accidentally taken by michelle obama not from my little pony's twilight sparkle. whether he would characterize the acts that donald trump was describing on the "access hollywood" bus about grabbing a woman by the genitals. i don't know, i'm not a lawyer. but when "the washington post" followed up with him. i never said it. you never guess what there's audio evidence of sean spicer saying. >>uh, hello!? a meeting? it's a big one. too bad. we are double booked: diarrhea and abdominal pain. why don't you start without me? oh. yeah. if you're living with frequent, unpredictable diarrhea and abdominal pain, you may have irritable bowel syndrome with diarrhea, or ibs-d. a condition that can be really frustrating. talk to your doctor about viberzi, a different way to treat ibs-d.
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provided the post with an audio recording of a man who clearly sounds like spicer in the spin room speaking those exact words. to which spicer responds i was asked a question about a matter of law it is never right to touch anyone. complete 180. i wonder where he could have gotten the idea that you can take things on tape and shove them down the memory hole. >> he said i was in favor of libya. i never discussed that subject. i was in favor of libya? we should do on a humanitarian basis immediately go into libya. i don't condone violence. if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously. i don't know putin. i think itould be great about we got along with russia. but i don't know putin. if putin wants to go in and i got to know him very well because we were both on "60 minutes," we were stablemates and we did very well that night.
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president obama concluded a rally for hillary clinton in greensboro less than two hours ago. he had pointed things to say about recent developments in campaign including the presidential qualifications of donald trump. >> the guy says stuff that nobody would find tolerable if they were applying for a job at 7-eleven. or you -- i mean, i don't know what job, if you were kind of vetting somebody for a job, and then you heard what somebody said on tape about women, set aside what they were saying, but you would hire that person for that job. democracy in a big diverse country doesn't work if you are constantly demonize each other. and i mean that literally, by the way. i was reading the other day. there's a guy on the radio who
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senate and congressional candidates still supporting donald trump. today shortly after florida senator marco rubio said he stands by trump, clinton told an audience in miami they should vote for his democratic front. >> it's an unacceptable response for marco rubio when asked about climate change to say, i'm not a scientist. well, why doesn't he ask a scientist? and maybe then he'd understand why it's so important that he representing florida be committed to climate change. that's why i hope you'll elect patrick murphy to the united states sthaet. >> what about those republican candidates who are sticking by trump who have finally decided to distance themselves from the top of the ticket. according to internal polls conducted about i the democratic congressional campaign committee, 61% of voters said republicans who decided to withdraw support for trump over
the past few days, quote, lack character and integrity. and in a prediction of more problems for down ballot republicans comes from yesterday's nbc news "wall street journal" poll which shows that on the question of which party should control congress democrats have widened their lead to 7 percentage points up from 3 points last month. now the question seems to be how bad will things get for republicans on election day. joiping me now cornell belcher and howard dean former chair of the dnc. cornell, let me start with you. this is something you and i have been talking about through this election that agree that the top of the ticket and the down ballot congressional senate races and even others gubernatorial races for instance in north carolina are tethered they seem to have become untethered about a month ago now it seems that a big enough trump loss can't help but drag a lot of them down. >> that's a good point. i mean, i think what you'll see now are democrats really trying to tie the republican brand around one of the most unpopular
candidates for president ever. and one of the things that i will point to is back when i was actually working for governor dean as his pollster at the dnc, around 2006 in our internal polling, we saw the generic horse race open up to 11 or 12 points. and historically, you do need that sort of ten-point gap to be opened up in order for us to flip the house because, as you know, the seats are so ger gerrymandered. the poll from 2012, i think it moves up to 14. it's moved there, but democrats have to do a good job of tying him to the republican brand to get to that ten-point gap. when we get to the ten-point gap, the republicans are in a little bit of trouble. >> the squirming from fisher who
endorsed donald trump and unendorsed donald trump now we're getting a statement she has reendorsed donald trump. >> first of all, two seconds, cornell's got a new book coming out. everybody should go get it. >> what a mensch this guy. >> a foreward by governor dean. >> here's the interesting thing. if the poll numbers didn't show that hillary clinton had a significant lead in florida, her internal polls, she never would have said that. >> ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. that is exactly right. >> unbelievable that she would do that. >> because she would not want to alienate possible marco rubio voters. >> which also means that marco's numbers are not nearly as good as they were two weeks ago. this is a seat that most democrats did not think -- >> had written off. >> that's right. now this is a senate seat that's obviously in play in somebody's internal poll. >> here's the witness protection program answer from mitch mcconnell which i find fascinating, opening the event. if any of you here are thinking
i'm going to elaborate on the presidential debate, let me disabuse you of that notion. if you're interested in the presidential election, i don't have any other observations to make on that. that doesn't strike me as a sustainable position. >> one other thing. i guarantee right now in the brooklyn headquarters there is not one iota of overconfidence. he's going to drive this thing for the next 28 days and he doesn't give a damn what the margins are. the clinton campaign with robbie and john podesta at the top of it won't let this one slip away. that's a long time. i'm not doing the victory dance. >> cornell, one of the things we've seen is i think we'll see equa librium move and the predictions will move. >> that's absolutely right. in modern times we don't have six or seven point races in this country, victories. we will sort of get closer because republicans, some republicans will come back to him because he'll get more on
script. but i don't want to celebrate too much because we still have some problems with mobile lags. the pew latino poll came out today, that latino voters are 17 points off their uncertainty to vote in 2012. if you've got seven or eight points off the turnout. that means states out west, colorado, nevada come really tough and particularly on the senate side and the ideals of putting a state the like arizona in play becomes a lot harder if parts of the obama aren't and more broadly spend more time trying to mobilize those voters particularly those younger browner voters that were so critical to barack obama in 2012 and 2008. >> what the president election look likes if only men vote. do we have that one?
if only men are voting. >> wow. >> right. if we had the reverse the 19th amendment. and what it looks like if only women vote. if we had a sort of new amendment that took away the franchise from men. it is so striking at this point. in some ways the way that you have both the kind of explicit, the front and center fact of the first woman for president with all the sort of subtext around it with this unprecedented gender split. >> it was a really interesting poll today. i'm not sure if it was nbc, "wall street journal" or not, which showed that the advantage for trump among college educated men has shrunk to 1% and it's gotten huge with women. i don't think the women's vote is -- i don't think you can turn that around at this point. i think it's just two that the tape cemented the bad position. they're not going to change their mind. that language was searing for most women in this country.
and i don't think that's going to change. that does put trump in a real hole. i do think it's going to close, but not enough. >> real quick point on that, chris, interesting the next time i'm on, show that same map with only white voters. even given's trump's collapse in parts of this country, he's still probably going to win the vast majority of white voters even with that woman's number, the gender gap has been driv by the increasing number of black and brown women. and that poll race still matters a lot in this country. >> it was interesting to see one of the top lines we started this show with. by republicans and white voters was the biggest thing that he won back after the debate. so the sort of doubling down on the kind of base satisfaction red meat brought back those voters in the fold which are the ones he needed but still not quite enough to produce a
majority which is the basic issue for the republican party in some ways and the kind of existential issue. >> and what my book talks about. >> what's it called? >> a black man in the white house. >> so you've got this situation where, do you think -- i want to ask you one more thing about 2006 because cornell brought it up. the timing of mark foley revelations was the congressman who had been sending sexual so list itations to pages. >> right. >> that broke right around the same time as the "access hollywood" tape. and people should keep in mind the way that cascade dominoed and how it distributed to that. cornell belcher and howard dean, that's "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show now. >> i owe you one. >> no. >> thanks, dear. in the fall of 2007. the gods of fate and chance and gambling in las vegas decided that it was