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lewd and frankly predatory remarks from donald trump, behind the scenes at a california tv shoot. that tape recording about grabbing women in the genitals and kissing them without their consent and getting away with it because he's a star. ever since friday, the hunt has been on for more tapes in tv show archives more tapes wrchb donald trump had a habit of talking that way. but what happened tonight is women coming forward on their own to talk about what they say is donald trump's past behavior toward them. in real life, not talking about stuff, not things he said, but physical actions he allegedly took toward the various women who are speaking out tonight. the "new york times" post this late this evening, it's an account from two different women who say they were groped by
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donald trump years ago. one of the women worked at a real estate company that was headquartered at donald trump towers in 2005. i'm just going to read you exactly the way the "new york times" reported this this evening. she named herself to the times, she is named rachel crooks, ms. crooks was a 22-year-old receptionist at an investment and real estate company when she encountered mr. trump outside the building one morning in 2005, aware that her company did business with mr. donald trump, she turned and introduced herself to him, she shook his hand but he would not let go. then she said he started kissing me on the cheek. then he kissed me directly on the the mouth, it didn't feel like an accident, it felt like a violation. she immediately called her sister and told her what happened. that's one of the accounts that's in the "new york times" tonight. i mentioned that call to her
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sister in ohio because this is clearly the way that the times is trying to corroborate some of these allegations. whether the woman in question told other people about it at the time. obviously it's to a certain extent going to be he said she said, if donald trump denies that this happened. but they're looking in terms of checking out the voracity of this account if there is anything contemporaneous. here's the second one from the same "new york times" account, this is from jessica leads, more than three decades ago, when she was a traveling business woman it at a paper company, jessica leeds says she sat beside trump in a first class cabin. they had never met before. about 15 minutes avenue takeoff, mr. donald trump lifted the armrest and began to touch her.
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mr. donald trump grabbed her dress and tried to put his hands up her skirt. he was like an octopus, his hands were everywhere. she fled to the back of the plane. ms. leads told that story to at least four people close to her who also spoke to the "new york times." can i just ask if we have that video that we thought we were going to have? we have a little clip of a video that was posted by the "new york times," these are two named women who spoke with the "new york times" tonight, both recounting incidents that happened a long time ago. here's one of the women explaining a little bit about what happened. 6. >> if he had stuck with the upper part of the body, i might not have gotten -- i might not have gotten that upset. but it's when he started putting his hand up my skirt, and that was it. that was it.
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i -- i was out of there. >> again, that's one of the women who made these allegations about donald trump's behavior tonight in the "new york times." there's two things that i want to tell you about this "new york times" report this evening. and the first one is that donald trump is quite emphatically denying these allegations. let me tell you again exactly how the "new york times" characterized his denial tonight. and this itself is sort of -- it's at least interesting. quote, in a phone interview on tuesday night, a highly agitated mr. trump denied every one of the women's complaints, none of this ever took place, he was shouting at the "new york times" reporter, he said that the times was making up things nord to hurt him. he sid, quote, you are a disgusting human being he told her as she questioned him about the women's claims. the other thing i want to tell you is that nbc news, and msnbc
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we have not yet talked to these women. the times has done the leg work of talking to other people that these women told these stories to. we have not confirmed these reports directly with these women themselves. i will tell you just for my show, for my part we have reached out to these women who have named themselves in these articles, we have not been successful in arranging some sort of interview, that's what i can tell you in terms of how we have chased down this story ourselves, that's the "new york times" side of it. shortly after this "new york times" mosted this. the palm beach post is reporting the story of a florida woman who says that donald trump groped her. and again, this is an identifiable person making the allegation under her own name. the article includes photos of her. specifically from the time of her allegation, from the time that she says donald trump groped her. her -- she tells the palm beach
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post tonight that she was helping a photographer friend who was working in an official capacity at mr. trump's mar-a-lago. all of a sudden i felt a little nudge, i turn around and there's donald. he sort of looked away quickly. i quickly turned back facing the musician who was appearing at this event, ray charles, she says and i'm stunned. ms. mcgillivray says she remembering saying to herself, okay, am i going to say something now and make a scene or am i going to stay quiet, she chose to stay quiet.
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asked about the possibility that what she felt was trump or someone accidentally bumping into her, she says no, this was a pretty good nudge, more of a grab. i was startled, i jumped. the donald trump campaign has denied this allegation too. in this case the denial comes from not mr. donald trump himself. she tells the palm beach paper, quote, there's no truth to this whatsoever, this allegation lacks any merit or voracity. but both of these publications involving three different women who are now naming themselves, these have all been published within the last just over the course of this evening. joining us now by phone is a reporter for the palm beach post who just broke this story. mindy mcgillivray. thanks very much for joining us, i really appreciate you making
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time. >> thank you, rachel. >> let me ask you just in terms of the way i characterized your story, and what this woman alleges. >> that's very accurate and you even pronounced her name correctly too. >> i've been working on it. you never get those things right the first time. let me just ask you in terms of your assessment of what she's telling you about what it can be corroborated, we have obviously got this denial in the trump campaign, what do you make of her story and how have you checked it out. >> you're right, it's he said
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she stayed, but the interesting thing was she was with a photographer friend ken davidoff whose father was a long time palm beach society photographer. she was the photographer for jfk. so he kind of knew his way around. and as soon as it happened, she pulled him aside and said i think he just grabbed my rear end, and trump of course had looked away. the way she told it and just ken corroborating the story, he didn't witness it, but he did corroborate her reaction, and her demeaner right after. she could have reached out to the tmzs or the supermarket tabloids, she didn't do that. she talked with ken about what route they should take and wanted to prevent this from happening to other women, she thought about her own daughter, and she did some soul searching before she reached out to us, which was late yesterday afternoon. we had an initial conversation on the phone last night and then
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we met in person today over lunch and she decided to go with it. >> joe, let me just ask you, just to clarify, i think you stated this clearly, i just want to make sure that i understand. she was with mr. davidoff the photographer on the occasion in which she says this happened and you talked to mr. davidoff to corroborate that at the time she told him when it happened, he didn't witness it, but he remembers her saying something at the time, is that right? >> very clearly, and i had lunch with both of them today, and the stories were consistent. and she had gone to mar-a-lago on photo shoots at least five or six times and there were two occasions that she had encounters with donald trump but the one we wrote about was the one most disturbing to her.
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>> you said you had a meeting with her and she made a decision about going ahead. you say that she has no party affiliation, but she reached out both to you, and also separately to the hillary clinton campaign office locally where she lives. is there any reason, i mean, first of all, i'm happy that you're showing your work and lets us know that you know that about what she's done with this information. is there any reason to believe that this is being -- that she's being pushed out there by the clinton campaign, that this comes from my sort of partisan or campaign place? >> no, i don't. i get the feeling where she was kind of going with the flow, she wasn't sure which approach to take, she wanted to get the word out there. and they -- ken had reached out to me on text messaging first and i was in a meeting working
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on a different story and it took me two hours to get back to them. and when i did get back to him. they took it upon themselves to go to what they thought was a palm beach county democratic office in the city of lake worth, and it turns out that that has since been turned into a hillary campaign office. so i don't know they went there knowing that it was a hillary cam pain office, but they did know that it was a county democratic office. >> okay. joe caposey with the palm beach post. and telling us where you got the story has helped us. one of the things to keep in mind here, on this palm beach post story, we do have an official and categorical denial from donald trump's campaign spokesperson about the allegation that a woman allegedly saying that she was groped against her will at his estate, we do have a denial there, the denial to the "new york times" about these two
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other named women who have come forward tonight and said that donald trump also physically groped them in ways they did not con tent to and they did not like and they did not want. the denial in that case is to the "new york times" directly from donald trump himself. the times describing him as very agitated when they called him for comment. saying he basically cursed out their reporter and threatened to sue the times over these allegations, that apparently happened last night. we have got more in terms of the way trump and the campaign are responding which i think you will find of interest. that's straight ahead, stay with us.
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allegations breaking in two different newspapers, three named women coming forward to
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say that in the past, years past, donald trump groped them without their consent. one woman saying that donald trump put hands on her in a way that was very upsetting to her and that she did not welcome on an airplane years ago. another saying that donald trump kissed her without her concept immediately upon meeting her at trump towers and a woman whovgs working at an event in mar-a-lago. we have got donald trump himself angrily denying the allegations that was in the "new york times" story, but we have more to say about how the trump scam pain is responding to these allegations which are all popping tonight. i do have some nice that's just broken in the last couple of
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minutes on this, which is actually from the clinton campaign, the clinton campaign has just now released to us a statement that is their response to this news tonight. just checking here to make sure, because they're not stating explicitly whether or not they're responding to the palm beach post or the "new york times," but quote, this disturbing story sadly fitting everything we know about the way donald trump has treated women. these reports, so perhaps that suggests about the "new york times" and palm beach post, these reports suggest that he lied on the debate stage and that the disgusting behavior he bragged about in the tape is more than just words. bragging about in the tape is clearly a reference to the access hollywood video in 2005 that was released by "the washington post" on friday. donald trump on that tape admitting that was him speaking when he brag it about kissing
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him without their consent and even bragging about grabbing their genitals. the director of the clinton campaign says that this suggests that trump lied on the debate stage, that would presumably be preferencing the moment on the depate stage when anderson cooper pressed him on these allegations and asked him if he had ever done the things he bragged about doing on that "access hollywood" bus. donald trump at the debate unequivocally said no he had never done those things, based on those reports in the "new york times" and the palm beach post undeniably is a lie. three women naming themselves not coming forward anonymously alleging that donald trump groped them in different
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the donald trump campaign is denying both reports in the "new york times." after that access hollywood tape was released on friday where trump was caught on tape talking about grabbing women by the genitals and being able to get away with it because he's a star. you might remember that the campaign issued a terse statement afterwards calling the whole thing blocker room banter, bill clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course, not even close, i apologize if anyone was offended. that was the initial response when "the washington post" published that access hollywood tape. that night the campaign realized that that would not be enough, that they were going to need to do more to stem the political
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fallout from that tape. to even after they released that terse combative attacking short written statement, they thereafter decided that donald trump would have to make another statement. it was an apology, it was released on facebook, shortly after midnight on friday night. it came more than eight hours after the initial reporting, after the initial publication of that tape on "the washington post" website. so that was what we saw from the trump campaign, responding to allegations, that they at mitted to and apologized for ultimately on friday. now it's a few days later, we have got these new allegations in the palm beach post and the "new york times," what strategy will the donald trump campaign use in light of the latest reporting. again, they are denying the allegations, but we have alley who's embedded with the trump campaign. how is the trump campaign reacting to this latest round of
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reporting both in the palm beach post and the "new york times." >> you've really been seeing the buzz feeds reaction, about the pageant girls alleging that donald trump walked in on them during the pageant. the trump campaign saying that is not something that was true, and even questioning the timing of those allegations and why they're coming out now, they're also seeing them categorically did nye trump himself and his cam pain spoke people deny the reports in the "new york times" and other outlets that are giving these kinds of stories that you've been responding to this past hour. i think what's interesting and what we have been seeing from trump surrogates in the after math of the 2005 tape is this, they've been saying this is locker room talk, but it's
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something that a lot of his surrogates have said look, this has all been talk, trump has said it's never happened, and that's why we're able to stand by him and say that he's still our nominee and he's the best candidate against hillary clinton. obviously that presents a problem politically for a lot of these people who have stood by him and said oh, well i guess it might not just be talk, it might be allegations of action and that's where it becomes a much different defense process a much different strategy. and that's one that the trump campaign has really been trying to gloss over when he's on the trail. instead he's been bashing the clintons, lashing out attacks against other republicans, so largely the strategy has been to put distance on the campaign trail. >> just ask you one thing about something you just mentioned, which we haven't talked about yet on the show tonight.
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again, i think you're exactly right to put that political focal point on this. it is one thing to defend against statements made, to deny that those statements reflected any real world actions, donald trump has made that denial explicitly. he did that on the debate stage on monday night. it's another thing to defend ourselves against alleged physically actions, you mentioned pageant contestants saying he barged in on them while they were changing. this is something that's come up a couple of different ways. in the archives of trump talking on the howard stern radio show, it's one of the things he talks about and sort of brags about with howard stern, he bragged about his status as the owner of the pagtd giving him cart blanch to walk backstage when women are changing and men generally aren't xed or allowed to be there.
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he can do it because he's the owner. we have seen him brag about doing that on the radio. now there's these new allegations, it's not an nbc story, nbc hasn't verified this, but there are young women who were involved in his pageants who say this wasn't just talk, he did just that? >> that's a buzz feed story that came out earlier today, another thing that is trump campaign has categorically denied, and in statement of denying that, they asked they wondered why this would be coming forthright now, we're very close to election, this is clearly not something the donald trump campaign wants to be bogged down in, but when you hear those allegations from those pageant girls about donald trump saying that he can go in because he does own the pageant. those are just allegations but it does fit the narration in 2005 that he can essentially because of his star power can grab or grope women.
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the statements from the trump campaign, giving faces and giving times to that narrative, that was otherwise up to this point was only talk and only locker room banter, so their excuse has clear got to change if we do in fact find out that these allegations are substantiated and that's something that no campaign wants welcome back dealing with, but it's something that a lot of voters are going to look at and have a very human and not partisan reaction to. then again we have seen the trump voters make excuses for a lot of the things, it's been a year and a half of them making excuses for any controversies that we would clearly think would end the campaign. but with this, because it is a human story and you're going to see potentially some faces coming out behind it, it does
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bring it to another level and it does bring the allegations to a new place. >> that's right, named women coming forward and saying this isn't something i saw, this is 13g that happened to me, he did it to me and i can tell you about it in the first person. it's of a different magnitude at the human level. thanks, allie. i really appreciate you making yourself available on such sort notice. we're talking about these new allegations, palm beach post and the "new york times," three women between these two publications all claiming that donald trump groped them without their consent. one on an airplane, one at donald trump tower and one at donald trump's estate during an event there. we have got more on how the trump campaign is responding or in fact is not responding to this tonight. also tonight still ahead, the director of elections for
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nbc news is going to be joining us, he's going to be joining us for a rare on camera interview, we have got some exclusive new election news, it's actually new data, that's ahead tonight as well. stay with us. mpls we're continuing to cover
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this late breaking continually developing story tonight. where two newspapers are reporting two new rounds of
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allegations against donald trump allegations in three difference women that donald trump groped them against their will. one of the allegations was printed in the palm beach post. we spoke to the reporter who printed that story, one of those allegations was that donald trump at his estate grabbed a woman bodily against her will, the trump campaign put out a statement categorically denying that allegation calling it untrue. the other allegations are from two women who spoke to the "new york times" tonight, the "new york times" published the name of both of these women, they both were willing to go on the record, they both spoke and did video for the times about what they said were their experiences with donald trump. what's interesting, particularly about the donald trump campaign response to the "new york times" allegations, again from two different women, one of whom says donald trump groped her on
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an airplane, another one says that donald trump groped her at donald trump tower, a different company in donald trump tower, . the allegation came from mr. trump himself directly by phone last night. this is quoting deblgtly from the "new york times" piece, in a phone interview on tuesday night, a highly agitated mr. donald trump denied every one of the women's claims, trump began shouting at "the new york times" reporter, he said that the times was making up these allegations to hurt him. quote, you're a disgusting human being she told the "new york times" reporter as she questioned him about the women's claims. joins us now for more from the trump campaign and the candidate response to these new
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allegations. robert costa who's had -- bob, tharpgs very much for being with us tonight. >> great to join you, rachel. >> do we know anything further about the donald trump campaign's response, how they are handling this? how this is landing with them? >> actually we do. i just got off the phone with some of my top sources close to donald trump. and donald trump himself is in miami tonight near doral, his property, but his campaign, i would describe it as all out war against the accusers, and especially against the media organizations that are running the stories, this is a sense among people close to trump, not any kind of wavering or nerves. i'm actually frankly surprised as i take notes in these conversations about how combative the campaign remains tonight and i think you're going to see more talk about former president bill clinton's past, some accusations that have been made of him in the past, and if this is a campaign at war.
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>> when you say war against the media organizations that are publishing these accusations, i have to expect that the "new york times" and the palm beach post expect that, given the way that donald trump has responded to outlets that have reported allegations against him in the past and even just negative stories about him. when you say all out war against the accusers, what do you mean by that? >> i'm not clear about that at the moment. i think it's clear to recognize that the dynamic around donald trump, he has steve on bannon, the former head of breitbart, and he is furious tonight, in conversations with his aides, there's talk even about litigation tonight. people close to trump are talking about filing lawsuits against news organizations, or
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accusers. these are all conversations tonight around trump. and the big picture here, is knowing all these sources for two years now, is that trump himself is telling his advisors and his people, dig in, we're fighting this, we're not backing down. >> robert, you may not know this, but i just want to ask your impression from talking to your sources. is the source of that anger, that sense of all out war that you're describing there, is that borne out of an absolute devout, unwavering conviction that these allegations are false and therefore this is pure politics and the people making these allegations must be destroyed? is that where this is coming from? there's no way this lapped in real life and that's why we need to fight it so hard. or even in recognition of the potential political impact of charges like this and this is just a fight for political sure vial, regardless of the voracity
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of the claims. >> i think this is a moment of fury, rachel. i don't like to exaggerate anything in my reporting, but this is a campaign that i have never seen this furious, i think they're at the edge politically, they know the party in many respects have abandoned them. you have bannon, and the anti-clinton investigators, kellyanne conway, you have to remember that she's fiercely anti-clinton, she's one of the propoints of bringing the past inge discretions of bill clinton. and that group is around trump and that's what's happening. >> robert costa of the "washington post," you always have something interesting to post, and you do always understate it if anything, i really appreciate you sticking with this one and joining us on such short notice. so it has turned into quite the news day around here, just over
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the last fewours, again, we're continuing to cover this breaking news story, we do, i got to tell you, we do have some data here, some of it is publicly available data, some of it is data that only we have exclusively tonight that can tell you why this is so politically nuclear and what this could mean for the whole country. we have got data in one specific state and data you have not heard anywhere else. and we have got that tonight as this story continues to develop. stay with us. >> we're continuing to cover here's a little healthy advice.
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>> we're continuing to cover this developing story tonight, with new allegations made by three different women in three different parts of the country. all saying they were groped years ago by donald trump, one saying she was groped by donald trump at mar-a-lago. another woman saying she was groped by donald trump the first time she met him when she was seated next to him on an airplane. the donald trump campaign,
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donald trump himself are denying all these allegations tonight, but they come at an intense time, particularly around this particular issue for this donald trump campaign, that's what i want to talk about right now. do you want to see raw political power at work? i mean, even before these new allegations against trump, allegations we should say trump denies vehemently. even after these three groping allegations that donald trump denies, we request show you the raw political power of these sexual misconduct allegations against donald trump that have risen this week. this is striking, look at this, this is the marquette university poll that's just out in wisconsin. what you're looking at here is the bottom line result of that poll. it's hillary clinton plus 7 in
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wisconsin, that's big news for clinton in wisconsin. that's not the big deal here. this marquette poll was already in the field before the access hollywood tape came out on friday. they were already interviewing voters on thursday and on friday before the tape came out on friday night. look at the day to day numberings. clinton's numbers, read it from the bottom up, clinton's numbers go from 40 on thursday to 44 on friday, the day the tape comes out to 49 on the weekend, after everybody saw the tape. trump's numbers in contrast, read from the bottom up, they start at 41 on thursday, which is the day before the tape comes out, then on friday, when the tape comes out. he drops from 41 to 48, then over the weekend, he falls down from 40 to 30. this is from thursday to sunday, before the tape comes out,
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donald trump is actually winning that state by a point, by the time the poll rolls up on sunday, he's not winning by a point anymore, he's losing by 19 points, a 20 point swing. from the start of the poll on thursday, to the end of the poll on sunday. a 20-point swing thanks to that tape that came out on friday, the access hollywood tape. and so, yeah, i mean if you average out the results for that poll, if you look at all four days to get that bottom line number, it produces this normal looking if positive report for hillary clinton, oh, she's plus 7 in wisconsin, that's interesting, you look at not just the snapshot, but the swing, those numbers moving, over exactly what we know monthed them, thanks to that tape, that's why that tape and these sexual allegations against trump that's why they're driving the republican party off a cliff.
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that's why the tape made them start setting themselves on fire, even before these new groping allegations from three different women in two different newspapers came on on friday night. had the "new york times" and the palm beach post not broken these stories about these women alleging on the record that donald trump did to them exactly what he bragged about doing to women in that "access hollywood" tape, had there been no further relations, i think it would have been reasonable to expect the extreme polling effect from the "access hollywood" tape, i think it might have been reasonable to expect that that might have snapped back as those relations wore off. even as we see how the trump campaign handle themselves, who knows, maybe the polls might snap back. but you know what? it's too late.
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because voting isn't just happening sometime in the future, all right, voting isn't just happening next month when the effect of that tape and these allegations might have worn off. voting is already happening. today. this is ohio today. swing state ohio. see how these people are like half partying, half walking down the street. swing state ohio, ecstatic voters turning out to start voting early in person as of today. people lined up before the doors opened and then poured in once the doors did open in hamilton county, ohio today, and all over that state. even if you don't count the places where absentee voting is already under way, which is all over the country, even if you only count places where people are doing their in person voting, voting is already happening today in ohio, in arizona, in iowa, in new mexico, california, idaho, illinois, indiana, maine, minnesota,
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nebraska, south dakota, utah, vermont, wyoming, voting is already happening, so if this tape and these sexual allegations against donald trump, if they are fatal for donald trump, which is what it looks like, then that killing is happening right now already. not next month. voters are making their commitments right now. and we have got the first significant data, actual data not polling that tells us if that is in fact what's happening right now. we have got that exclusively here from multiple states from nbc's elections chief. next, stay with us.
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okay. this is one of those nights when things keep developing. so let me just tell you what's going on right now. we just got a brand-new statement direct to nbc news about yet another allegation against donald trump of unwanted
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touching in this case and unwanted -- and unwelcome kiss from donald trump to somebody did not want to be kissed by him. that story we have yet to talk about tonight. this is yet another allegation against donald trump. it's also going to be the subject of an interview tomorrow with a woman who said this happened on the today show. so i've got a couple of different things in the hopper right now. we've got this new statement. we've got this new allegation. we just found out what is going to be happening on the "today" show tomorrow and nbc's election chief live here in the studio, and he never does that but he is here with us because we have new data. please stay with us there is a lot going on. i'm standing up, which is
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i'm standing up, which is weird, but it's for a good reason, because joining us here now on set with a bunch of data is john lapinski, director of nbc's election unit. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> working to get voter registration in different states. you've got specifically data on who has voted already. >> that's exactly right. >> show me. >> essentially what we said is what you said. the campaign is already under way. we're going have a lot of people voting. maybe up to 40 million people voting before election day. and what we have here is the first essentially half million votes that have already been cast. and so what we see, what we picked here is the number of battleground states, states that we know clinton or trump have to win if they want the get to 270, iowa, virginia, wisconsin. wisconsin which you just pointed out in your last segment already has 50,000 votes essentially cast.
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>> now a half million votes overall have been cast already on pace compared to 2012? >> somewhat on pace. it looks like it's on pace. that's one of the very important things, particularly for the clinton campaign because obama did so well with the early votings in 2012, they want to meet those expectation. >> this is 2012 voting. not necessarily this time in the campaign. but the total early and absentee voting from 2012? >> this is the total. the reason why we want to put this is up a baseline. obama essentially tied the election day vote in 2012 and won the early vote by about 7 point. >> okay. >> so his path to victory was by getting people to come out early. again, clinton wants to do this. what we see is over 10% of the early voting places like wisconsin and virginia, key battlegrounds. >> can we put up what we know about who is turning out to vote in these early states, these crucial states that you have identified here? do we have that breakdown in terms of voter registration data state by state?
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>> we do actually have that. in the sense we can go to the next slide here. one of the things that is really -- what we really care about most i think is looking at not how many people actually voted early, but essentially how did the partisans break. so what we're able to do in the battleground states is come up with people's partisan identification. and one thing we know about partisan identification, even though it's not telling you exactly who they're voting for, in all our polling when we look at this data, about nine in ten partisans support their democrat. so nine in ten would support more actually this time around i think. >> so this isn't saying these are votes for trump. these are register republicans turning out to vote and it mostly correlates. >> exactly. it's a pretty strong correlation. what either candidate are wanting to see here like clinton wants to see that blue line above the red line. >> democrats kicking butt in this estimation.
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that's a technical term in iowa, virginia and wisconsin in terms of the relative partisan turnout. it looks close in michigan and north carolina. and the republicans winning in georgia and florida. >> what we've seen, florida and north carolina, a lot of the early voting that happens in both of these states is still to come. so really we have more as a percentage of the early vote in these other states. florida, especially since was rocked by the hurricane, it's gotten off to a slower start. we learned something about how many i'm register with the extension happening. and in north carolina, a lot more of the early voting happens in person early voting versus some of these other states. so these numbers are actually even a little more favorable to clinton than you would think, just because, again, these two over here are in the early stages. >> okay. well, we will keep an eye on this as we get further data. again, nbc and target smart working together to crunch these numbers. and this, again, this is not polling. >> this is actual people voting. and we're going to be tracking
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so we're still following this breaking news tonight. two women telling the "new york times" that donald trump groped them without their consent years ago. robert costa just reporting tonight that the trump campaign is going to sue "the times" over that story there is also another woman, a third woman telling the palm beach post tonight that she too was groped by donald trump in 2003. the trump campaign is denying all of these allegations, but oh, wait, there is more coming out. tonight a former contestant in the miss usa pageant is telling her story about donald trump. part of an interview with her is going to air with brian williams tonight at 11:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. it will then air in full tomorrow morning on the "today" show. and just ahead right now, lawrence o'donnell is going to talk with an investigative
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reporter who has covered trump for 40 years, who knows about donald trump more than maybe anyone not named trump. this continuing story continues. just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago that you did not actually kiss women without consent? >> i have great respect for women. no one has more respect for women than i do. >> so you're saying you never did that? >> frankly, you hear these things are said. i was embarrassed by it, but i have tremendous respect for women. >> have you ever done those things. >> women have respect for me -- no, i have not. >> it was that moment in this weekend's debate that multiple women said led them to come forward with claims the presidential candidate had touched them inappropriately. now donald trump's campaign is

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