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attention to, melania sticking it to billy bush or donald trump sticking it to the american political system? that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> announcer: tonight on "all in." >> it's a rigged system. it's a rigged election. >> the conspiracy theory campaign. >> let's hope that our country gets a fair shake. this is a big mess. >> donald trump steps up his unprecedented charges that the media, hillary clinton, and now republican officials are stealing the election. then new polling shows an expanding battleground map for democrats as they send the big guns into arizona. >> i know it's a campaign, but this isn't about politics. it's about basic human decency. >> plus the latest on the attack on the north carolina republican office. and from cordial adversary to
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all-out enemy. >> she should right now be in jail. >> the dangerous uncharted waters of 2016 when "all in" starts right now. >> if i have to be a patriot, i will. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. donald trump is now holding a rally in green bay, wisconsin, where earlier tonight the crowd chanted, quote, paul ryan sucks. appearing on fox news just before the rally, trump repeated his last, best excuse why he is tanking in the polls. >> when i talk about the press taking people with absolutely no case whatsoever and trying to put it on front pages, that in its form, a media rigging of the election. you look at certain areas of the country in terms of the voters and the booths and everything else and what's taking place and illegal immigrants voting and people that have died ten years ago voting. >> there's no specific examples he cited of that, and trump's unprecedented insistence that the presidential election is being rigged, conspiracy afoot,
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the white house is such a massive departure of the norms of american political discourse, a fundamental threat to the foundation of democracy, that trump's closest allies and advisors are trying to pretend trump isn't actually saying what he won't stop saying. >> when he talks about a rigged election, he's not talking about the fact that it's going to be rigged at the polls. what he's talking about is 80% to 85% of the media is against him. >> well, i don't think he was saying the result was illegitimate. i think he was saying there is a bias out there that has been against him. >> trump's major complaint about the election is not at the poll level. it's at the news media level. this election is being rigged by the national media. >> the american people are tired of the obvious bias in the national media. that's where the sense of a rigged election goes here, chuck. >> so the line is that trump isn't actually questioning the integrity of the election. he's just talking about media bite as, a claim that might be more effective if it weren't for the trump keeps contradicting
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his own surrogates. quote, the election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest media pushing crooked hillary. in response to trump's rhetoric, house speaker paul ryan made clear he is, quote, fully confident in the nation's systems. quote, our democracy relies on confidence in election results and the speaker is fully confident the state also carry out this election with integrity. america has a decentralized system. something that makes it impossible, to quote, rig a election. the secretaries of state in many swing states are republicans, who is safe to assume are not seeking to throw the election for hillary clinton. one of those republican secretaries of state, john husband ted of ohio, says it is utterly irresponsible for trump to push -- >> we have so many safeguards in place in our election system. it's bipartisan. it's transparent, and there's just no justification for concern about widespread voter
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fraud. >> some trump surrogates trying to thread the needing by insisting trump is not talking about widespread voter fraud, but voter fraud in inner cities where, you know, black people vote. >> you want me i think the election in philadelphia and chicago is going to be fair? i would have to be a moron to say that. i found very few situations where republicans cheat. they don't control the inner cities the way democrats do. >> numerous studies have found voter fraud to be a vanishingly rare and small phenomenon including in inner cities. giuliani is trying to contain trump's rhetoric to say trump isn't talking about large scale voter fraud, except trump is blowing that up. quote, of course there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day. why do republican leaders deny what is going on? so naive. despite the entirely baseless nature of trump's claims, they are gaining significant traction. a new poll finds that 41% of voters say the election could be stolen from trump, including 73% of republicans who think the election could be swiped from him. in a video posted today, trump
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suggested the rigging goes beyond the nation's election officials, the media, and the pollsters and the many women who have come forward on the record in the last week to accuse trump of sexual assault, all the way to the top levels of our government. >> the department of justice, the state department, and the fbi colluded, got together to make hillary clinton look less guilty and look a lot better. >> trump's rhetoric is leaving some of his supporters to conclude that legal participation in the voting system is a mug's game, so they have no choice but to take matters into their own hands. >> i feel like hillary needs to be taken out. if she gets into government, i'll do everything in my power to take her out of power, which if i have to be a patriot, i will. >> what does that mean? >> take it any way you want to take it. >> that sounds like a threat. is that a physical threat? >> i don't know. is it? i won't have to myself.
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there's going to be probably a movement to where we will go and take them out of power. >> it sounds like you're saying that it would be acceptable to assassinate a president. >> if she's corrupt, why should she be able to stay in office? answer that question. >> joining me now, msnbc political analyst michael steele, former chair of the republican national committee. that's the fear, to the extent that you essentially say that the legal mechanisms by which we establish elections are essentially rig, you do, it seems, create the space for some people to say, only thing left for us is something like revolution. >> no. no. i'm sure that gentleman is having a nice conversation with men in suits from washington known as secret service agents. the reality of it is it is this kind of hyperextended conversation in this election that is feeding this kind of negative thinking. look, our system, are there flaws?
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yes. are there problems with it? absolutely. but it's not to the point where we can't manage and control them. and it's certainly not something that if you lose an election, it's because it was rigged. well, maybe your ideas weren't good enough, or maybe you were talking about something you shouldn't have been talking about and wasting the public's time, and they just weren't interested in what you were selling. >> right. >> that seems to be really what's animating this election more than anything else. so i think this conversation turning on the dime of, you know, it's rigged is just a bogus way of not dealing with the fact that you've actually failed to run a presidential campaign. >> and, you know, a lot of people feel that same way. chris christie basically saying that. marco rubio saying it in his senate debate with patrick murphy, that it's not rigged, he should stop saying that. it seems like there's two things happening. one, he's laying down the story for should he lose, why it was. does that strike you as part of what is happening, what's being crafted here? >> oh, absolutely. there's always the plan b, and
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there's always, you know, the art of the deal was not just about the deal that's on the table but the deal behind that deal, the opportunity behind that. >> yes. >> and that's really what this is turned into in some respects for a lot of people looking at this now, that this is setting up the second act. whether it is, you know, as you've heard reported and talked about, you know, some type of media empire, i don't know. but the reality of it is we're now stuck in this particular morass of an election, and this kind of conversation that is stimulating what we just heard from this gentleman needs to be checked. the only way it's going to be checked is by donald trump. but as we've seen before, he's not going to do that because it doesn't serve the ultimate purpose of carrying this thing out to the point where he can then move these people into a new space. >> you know, paul ryan did as he has sort of won't to do, these sort of veiled kind of sub tweets at donald trump, coming forward and saying the election is not rigged. we trust the integrity. i want to play this.
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this was remarkable to me. this is a rally for donald trump in green bay, wisconsin, and this is the crowd chanting early in that event. take a listen. >> now i need your help locally. the wisconsin -- the wisconsin republican party has set up 29 offices. [ audience chanting, wall rypau sucks ] >> all right. okay. i ask you one question. do you want to help get trump elected? we need people to volunteer. >> i mean in case you couldn't -- they're chanting paul ryan sucks. the guy's the speaker of the house. he's the most powerful republican in the country at a rally in his backyard for the presidential candidate of his own party. >> welcome to my party. yeah, this is where we are. but this is the thing to keep in
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mind. the folks that are in that room, remember, this guy said, i need you to volunteer to help get donald trump elected. they were more interested in singing, paul ryan sucks than they were volunteering to help get trump elected, one. two, paul ryan won with 80% of the vote in the last election, in his primary. so the fact that he is, you know, probably going to get close to that or better this fall, i think kind of takes care of itself. this, again, is part of feeding that narrative, that negative narrative out there about the establishment. i get it. i understand a lot of folks are ticked off at the establishment. and for many reasons that are good. but the way we're beginning to express this is detrimental for recovery and healing after this election. we've got to think just beyond the moment in front of us, chris. we've got to think beyond that to, what kind of republican party are we going to be if donald trump wins or if donald
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trump loses? and that, for me, is the bigger battle ahead. >> michael steele, as always, thanks for your time. joining me now, molly ball, political correspondent for the atlantic magazine. look, we're going to talk in a little bit about this threat of the sort of trumped up threat of voter fraud that has been actually a theme for a long time. but this sort of specific allegation repeated tonight, mean this is pretty uncharted i waters in the context of an american national election. >> yeah. i mean it's not uncharted waters for, say, the comments section. but usually you don't have it being echoed by the nominee. usually what you have is a responsible political actor as the nominee of the party who sees it as his function to tamp down this paranoia and to say, no, we have to, you know, hold hands and believe in democracy and everybody accept the results of the election. and so to have a nominee actively stoking this paranoid mind set, that's what's uncharted. you know, i heard your conversation with chairman steele saying, oh, this is strategic. he's laying down a marker.
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i don't think it's that. i think it's trump mind set. in his mind, he is a winner. so if people are saying he's not winning, they must be wrong. they must be cheating. i think it is purely psychological. >> to that end, i remember the sort of behind the scenes reporting in "the washington post" after the debate debacle in which trump is saying to his staff, if the reporting is true, he's citing these click polls as real evidence to say, look, those -- i mean if he believes that, right, then maybe it isn't all strategic, it isn't all for show. it is his natural and fervently held belief and conclusion that he is winning and he is being done in. >> we've seen this before. look at what happened with judge curiel. he could not conceive that the law was against him, so it must have been the case that the law was somehow cheating or that the judge, you know, had something personal against him. it could not possibly be true in his mind that he was doing something that violated the law. >> you know, the thing that i keep thinking about is legit massey and how important it is to functioning democratic
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nations. an election doesn't end when the votes are counted. it basically ends with the loser concedes. you can fight, and file motions, particularly if you have a national election. that's really what's at stake here. that core legitimacy, which under the color of law you can fight for a very long time. >> yeah. well, i mean, look, let's not freak about this too much, right? the people going to trump rallies and saying incendiary things to reporters, i go to trump rallies, i quote trump reporters saying sometimes questionable things. they don't all sound like that, even at the rallies. >> agreed. >> this is not, you know, the mainstream of even the people who i think are voting for donald trump. >> i agree. >> so i don't think we should automatically panic and assume that people are going to take to the streets after the election. like, yes, this is scary. yes, he should not be stoking it. and it is alarming when you see in polls that the majority of republicans believe it because he's telling him that. but i don't want to get too panicked about something that hasn't come to pass. >> i totally agree, in terms of
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trump supporters, i agree with you they're not just storming, you know, sheriff clarke had that notorious tweet of pitch forks and he reiterated that again tonight. to me, the issue is more the nominee of the party has a tremendous amount of power in terms of how much legitimacy they cede to the process. one of the things we've learned in the obama era is if you just unilaterally withdraw and say, no, this is not legitimate, you have a huge effect on a large swath of the population because of how polarized our politics are. >> that's right. i think the really fascinating thing we've learned from this trump versus paul ryan frack as, is that with apologies to chairman steele, the rank and file have chosen trump's side over paul ryan's side. that when forced to choose, when trump said paul ryan sucks, instead of saying, no, no, we like paul ryan. they say, yeah, trump, and they all turned on paul ryan. there was a poll that came out
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today. nearly 70% of republican voters, self-identified republicans, thought that republican leaders are not supporting trump enough. >> right. >> so when ryan and other leaders in the party, mitt romney -- i spoke to a trump supporter in florida last week who said, i used to love the bush family. i supported them in all their elections and now they're dead to me. so they've chosen trump's side in that battle. >> that's the precedent there for the legitimacy of the election, which is that if you can turn people's opinions around on a dime on something like paul ryan, right, then you can -- >> or the bushes. >> molly ball, thanks for your time. appreciate it. >> still to come, brand-new polling showing the battleground map continuing to expand for the democratic party. tonight news that michelle obama is headed to a deep red state to try and flip it. that's ahead. but first, while donald trump republicans continue to perpetuate this myth of systematic widespread voter fraud, the actual cause for concern, this election day, is exactly the opposite. i'll explain after this two-minute break.
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remember, we're competing in a rigged election. this is a rigged election, folks. the media is trying to rig the election by giving credence -- and this is so true -- by giving credence to false stories that have no validity and make the front page. they even want to try to rig the election at the polling booths. believe me, there's a lot going on. do you ever hear of these people? they say there's nothing going on. people that have died ten years ago are still voting. illegal immigrants are voting. i mean where are the street smarts of some of these politicians? they don't have any is right. so many cities are corrupt, and voter fraud is very, very common. >> that's not true. it's this idea of unfair elections and voter fraud being pushed almost incessantly this year by donald trump which has led republican controlled states, even before donald trump came on the scene, we should be clear, to pass laws making it harder for some people to register to vote.
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but voter fraud is practically nonexistent. a professor at loyola law school in los angeles who tracks allegations of voter fraud has found only 31 credible incidents, someone who may have pretended to be someone else at the polls, out of 1 billion votes cast since 2000, which is also the average number of people who have died from lightning strikes in the past decade in the u.s. a real concern of this election is not the extremely vanishingly small number of incidents of voter fraud, but the vast swath, the electorate, that has been disenfranchised by new voting restrictions. u.s. district judge, wrote, quote, a preoccupation with mostly phantom election fraud leads to real incidents of disenfranchisement which undermine rather than enhance confidence in elections, particularly in minority communities. to put it bluntly, wisconsin's strict version of the voter id law is a cure worse than the disease. in addition, wisconsin's voter id law, federal courts struck down voting restrictions in five other states this summer, and yet still this year, 14 states
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will have new voting restrictions in place for the first time in a presidential election. joining me now, judith brown dee annis, and ari berman. judy, let me start with you. i want to play this clip of john mccain because this is important, i think, it note that this idea, which is being explicitly articulated by trump in a new and novel way, builds on something that's been part of the conservative movement for years. here's john mccain back in 2008. take a listen. >> we need to know the full extent of senator obama's relationship with acorn, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy. >> i mean that's good old john mccain, you know, who everybody celebrates as the sober alternative trump. this has been something that republican politicians and conservative folks have been talking about for years. >> that's right. when all else fails, claim voter fraud. and then when you claim it,
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don't forget to blame it on black people and people of color, especially undocumented immigrants. that's really been -- that's been the playbook for a long time. so trump finally got around to it and dusted it off. and unfortunately the courts have gone against him. i mean we have court after court saying if any rigging is happening, it's republican legislatures who pass laws to make it harder for people to vote, not for fraud, but in fact because they wanted to discriminate against african-american and other voters of color. >> and we've got our crazy smoking gun evidence of this. north carolina, of course, basically as soon as the key part of the voting rights act got struck down, the legislature says, what kind of voting tools do people use? and the ones that were predominantly african-american were like, yeah, let's restrict those. >> in north carolina, for example, where trump falsely claimed illegal immigrants were voting, north carolina didn't
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just pass voter id, but they cut early voted. they eliminated same day voter registration. they eliminated pre-registration for 16 and 17-year-olds. the fourth circuit court of appeals that this targeted black voters with, quote, almost surgical precision. as you mentioned, some of the evidence was as close to a smoking gun as in modern times, like north carolina limited voting on the sunday before election. the court asked north carolina, why did you cut early voting, and north carolina said, well, some counties were using it more than others. and the court said, well, which counties? and the state of north carolina, counties that had a larger african-american population intended to vote for democrats. and the fourth circuit said you just admitted to us in court that you did this to disenfranchise people based on their race and political affiliation. >> judy, we've got this crazy situation in which all these states, the voting rights action which define -- a bunch of states have moved forward on new
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voting restrictions under republican stewardship. many of those have been hung up in court. we've got this crazy legal terrain in which court after court has said these are not legitimate, and yet they're basically still intact or somewhat still intact. what kind of playing field are we competing on here? >> yeah, it's been a mixed bag. you know, we have to say as voting rights advocates that we've had a lot of good wins. north carolina and texas, where voter id was struck down, wisconsin, you know, not so good. so this is a mixed bag. but at the end of the day, you know, we should not have these laws that are being passed to make it harder to vote for some americans. you know, i think these courts are starting to understand that this actually is not about voter fraud. in fact, it's not even just about partisan manipulation. but it is about race. there are particular groups of people that they want to go after to make it harder to vote. i mean, you know, trump's call
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around voter fraud and now really amping up his base to go into communities and be anti-democracy vigilantes, come into communities of color to watch people vote, you know, one of the things that those people don't know is it's actually against the law to intimidate people while they are trying to vote. so, you know, we're going to continue to see this. but i think we've been winning, and we've been winning because they have been lying about why they're doing it. and they are the ones who have been rigging the elections. >> you know, what judy just talked about, i mean trump has been telling folks, you know, after you vote, go to another precinct to watch it. you know, there's obviously a really nasty history there about how that's played out in the pafts. >> a very long history. i mean that's why restricting voting is so dangerous because we've done it already in this country. we had things like poll taxes and literacy tests and cops patrolling black neighborhoods and preventing people from voting. we've been through this before,
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so we don't want to go down this road again. if trump wanted to talk about the real voter fraud, the real election rigging, he would talk about the fact this is the first presidential election in 50 years without the full protections of the voting rights act. he would talk about the fact this is the first election since the supreme court has gutted the voting rights act. but since those are things that republicans did to try to benefit republicans, you don't hear about that being the leading threat to american democracy. >> i want to be careful about this word rigging because it has a very specific meaning, this sort of like intentional behind the scenes manipulation of outcomes. what we're seeing is a series of hurdles that have been put in place in front of certain populations. judy, it strikes me part of this is ang expression of the sense that conservatives and republicans, a lot of them believe they're the majority in this country and the way they square electoral defeat on a national scope is there has to be something untoward happening. >> that's right. they conjure up the boogeyman. there's ufos and boogiemen and
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the loch ness monster. everything but the fact that maybe your candidate didn't appeal to people. >> right. >> you know, i just have to take, you know, a little exception to, chris, what you said. this rigging that is happening by republican legislatures actually is intentional, and it is meant to make certain people not be able to vote. >> yeah, i just want to be clear about like the difference between pre and post because the veilance of the word rigging is there's someone in the machines or behind the scenes. these are a series of intentional steps that have been taken to stop people from even getting essentially to the ballot box. >> they've been very clear about what the intent is here. republicans in wisconsin said the voter id was going to help them win. behind closed doors they said they were giddy about disenfranchising students and people of color. if there was any kind of rigging, this was preemptively going on. >> thanks for joining us. in a campaign with unprecedented personal attacks, more on what to expect from the third and
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the american people are about to weigh in on who's going to be the president, and that's the person, whoever that may be, who ought to be making this appointment. we're not giving lifetime appointments to this president on the way out the door to change the supreme court for the next 25 or 30 years. >> after the sudden death of supreme court justice antonin scalia earlier this year, senate republicans apparently discovered a new rule to justify their refusal to even consider or hold hearings for president obama's pick for a replacement. no nominations during a president's final year in office. conveniently it also gave them an argument to use on never trump conservatives. there's an open seat on the
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supreme court, so you better get a republican elected president to nominate the replacement. b what's to stop them from discovering a rule to ban them in the first year or ever? today, john mccain called into a pennsylvania radio station to campaign for his fellow senate republican pat toomey, who is locked in a very tough re-election battle there. he said out loud what many have assumed republicans are thinking. >> i promise you that we will -- we will be united against any supreme court nominee that hillary clinton, if she were president, would put up. i promise you. this is where we need the majority, and pat toomey is probably as articulate and effective on the floor of the senate as anyone that i have encountered. >> we will be united against any supreme court nominee that hillary clinton would put up. so who knows? maybe we'll have eight justices from here on out. mccain later tried to walk back his comment according to a.p.
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reporter erica werner. saying he'll vote for against, an individual nominee based on their qualifications. the arizona senator is currently facing a re-election battle of his own, and while he's favored to inwith, the state he calls home is trending in a very troubling direction. so much so the clinton campaign is expanding its efforts in saurz this week, sending one of its best surrogates, michelle obama, to campaign in phoenix on thursday. going back to 1948, arizona has voted for a democrat for president just once, and it's one of a handle of red states now moving into the toss-up column. that's next. [ gears stopping ] when your pain reliever stops working, your whole day stops. try this. but just one aleve has the strength to stop pain for 12 hours. tylenol and advil can quit after 6. so live your whole day, not part...
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some breaking news from brooklyn tonight. president obama is headed to nerve this weekend to campaign for hillary clinton. meanwhile in the red state column, arizona is just one of a few pretty solidly red states where the clinton campaign is devoting its resources as of this week. according to campaign manager robby mook, they're directing a million dollars to indiana and missouri. they're doing it to help democratic candidates down the ballot specifically in hotly contested senate races. and in texas, which hasn't voted for a democrat for president since 1976, the campaign took out an ad buy. >> the dallas morning new has recommended hillary clinton for president. this newspaper has not recommended a democrat for the nation's highest office since
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before world war ii. trump plays on fear and exhibits a dangerous lack of judgment. >> joining me now, margie o'meara. she's creator and co-host of the podcast the pollsters. let's start with arizona, which has been one of these stretch, reach states, one of these sort of idle daydreams of democrats. if you look at the zem oh graphic breakdown, maybe if we perform, we can get that into competitive territory. it's really starting to look like it is aris. are you buying it? >> look, they would not mobilize not just the financial resources but also the personnel resources and having bernie sanders go speak, chelsea clinton's going to speak. i mean they really feel there's an opportunity here. you have a high latino population. there's a new poll out today that showed clinton nationwide with a 50-point lead among latinos. so there's a lot of reasons to think that arizona could be in play. there's a really, you know, enthusiastic senate race.
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so there's lots of reasons to think it could be in play. >> you know, on the senate side, so there's the sort of predictions have gone back and forth. one really interesting bit of polling is out of nevada, which is where barack obama will be headed. when he goes to these states, tends to sort of combine presidential senate races. katherine cortez mass tow who is the democrat running against joe heck, that's harry reid's retiring seat t. was one of the places republicans looked most likely for a pickup. harry reid has been saying trust me, i got this. don't worry about it. in the last two polls, she is now up. what do you think of that race? >> the thing with nevada, it's such a battleground state. there are so many different factors in play that make polling particularly tricky, that it's important to recognize that also has a -- >> why is that? why are nevada polls always so weird and flukey? >> so if you want the real pollster answer, there's a variety of things, one, people work at all kinds of crazy hours. so the sort of usual polling time frame is a little bit different there. you have a lot of movement.
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it's a state that's had a lot of population incoming and outgoing, so you have people are not on the voter rolls as easily, or they're more likely to have cell phones. you have a high latino population there. not all polls have a spanish language option in nevada the way they might, say, in florida or in texas. then you also have a high mormon population in nevada. if, you know, mcmuffin men item as they call themselves take off, you could see that change the race in nevada too. >> there are two other states that you think there's no way that these states are going to be won by hillary clinton or anyone other than the republican nominee. utah and alaska. we've got a poll out of alaska showing it a one-point race. this is by the sort of blue ribbon pollster there. and some polls out of utah showing with evan mcmullin in sort of a three-way tie. do those seem plausible to you? >> i mean, look, donald trump has put lots of states in play. there was a theory several months ago that, okay, well,
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maybe trump would do badly in states like florida. but then he would have some advantages in states like michigan or wisconsin or maybe new york and pennsylvania. and that has not been borne out. the same factors that make him endangered nationally and make the polls consistently show him behind nationally are the same factors that make all these red-leaning states now in play and the blue states not in play for him at all. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. still to come, the latest on the fire bombing of a gop office in north carolina and the responses from the two candidates. but first, tonight's thing one, thing two starts right after this break. ♪
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postal worker brags about destroying trump ballots. rush limbaugh was on it making the necessary point of how outraged the authorities would be if hillary clinton were the target of such unfair election fraud. if a postal worker was bragging about destroying hillary absentee ballots, do you think they'd be trying to hunt this guy down? even scott baio, chachi, the he tweeted, cheating and corruption is their way @real donald trump. baio also tweeted at the postal worker, i hope you get fired. cheating is the only way she'll win. @real donald trump. hey, john kasich, is this okay with you? even the ohio secretary of state, whose job is to administer elections in the state said, i've contacted usps about posts alleging destruction of absentee ballots. we'll get the hashtag facts, and if true, hold anyone guilty accountable. what a story. an ohio postal worker bragging online about throwing out trump ballots.
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postal worker brags about destroying trump headliballots. there is a story behind that headline. the gateway pundit is basing its report on the reporting of the twitter account of the culprit himself. quote. i love working at the post office in columbus, ohio. wow, what a confession. and yet by merely clicking onto randy's profile, you would see randy is located in california, not ohio. randy also happens to describe himself as the cool and chill guy online. there's more. randy has also tweeted things like i'm a black man for trump. that's right, we do exist. randy also recently tweeted this. frank luntz, can i be in your next focus group? i'm also a huge idiot. it was all just a joke. randy makes jokes online, not a
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it's being called an attack on our make. over the weekend, someone fire bombed the republican party headquarters in orange county, north carolina. the office was empty. no one was injured thank goodness. damage was substantial. images show a burn -- a burned couch and warped campaign signs, a swastika and words spray painted on an adjacent building. no suspects have yet been
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identified. a group of democrats organized a gofundme campaign, raising money for the local g.o.p. to reopen the headquarters. hillary clinton strongly condemned the act of violence, tweeting, the attack on the orange county hq and gop office is horrific and unacceptable. very grateful everyone is safe. meanwhile, donald trump chose to blame the incident on his opponent and her supporters. animals representing hillary clinton and dems in north carolina just fire bombed our office in orange county because we are winning, ncgop. fire bomb attacks comes just three days after three militia members in kansas were charged with domestic terrorism for plotting to bomb somali immigrants. according to federal investigators, the men stockpiled explosive components, reportedly believe the attack planned for the day after the election would, quote, wake people up. this as the republican nominee for president shows no signs of letting up the rigged election talk and telling supporters his opponent should be in jail. yet amid a real sense of unease
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it is an honor to be here. i obviously knew your great grandfather, but from everything that's senator mccain has told me, the two of them had a great time together before prohibition so. >> after all, it began so long ago with a harolded arrival of a man known to oprah win fri as the one. being a friend and colleague of barrack, i just called him that one. he doesn't mind at all. in fact, he even has a pet name for me. george bush. >> let's just say that some in
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the media have a certain way of looking at things when suddenly i pulled ahead in major polls, what was the head line, polls show obama leading from behind. i already saw reports from tonight's dinner, obama embraced by catholics, romney dies with rich people. >> ultimately though, tonight is not about the disagreements governor romney and i may have. it's what we have in common beginning with our unusual names. actually, mitt is his middle name. i wish i could use my middle name. >> that's the kind of self depo kating humor good natured ribbing is expected of the two presidential nominees. joining me now, senior correspondent for fox. we're looking at this footage. >> someone said yesterday, they're like it's the day after
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the debate, like, how are these two -- i mean, they couldn't shake hands at the last debate. they're going to have i imagine a terribly gross debate on wednesday night. like, do you just get on -- >> i think it's going to be very awkward for cardinal sitting between them for the whole thing. i wonder how this works for the archdiocese. do they really want a nasty scene at the charity for children between the two candidates. who knows what donald trump might say after being ribbed with good humor or if hillary clinton wants to provoke him, maybe not such good humor. it could be uglier than the debate. >> how do you think about sort of her strategy going into this debate. last debate was like, he shows up with the women who have accused bill clinton and there's no handshake in the beginning and the whole thing had a very dark almost traumatic vibe around it.
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>> right. >> how do you see her sort of forging through this debate on wednesday? >> i think it was as you say really uncomfortable to watch. not just if you're a woman, but for anyone watching the last debate. hopefully this will be a little less terrifying. the bar was pretty low. he had to not appear to be a predator after the tape came out before even now we have nine women, eight women who are saying he is in fact a predator and he lurked behind hillary clinton. we have all these shots that made anyone watching uncomfortable. this time around, i'm really curious to see what he's going to do. if he's going to take that one step further. last week he commented on hillary clinton's behind. gone off the rails. i have no idea what to expect. >> there's also a deep tension here right between these norms of we're adversaries not enemies. we will respect each other after the election. i find that really annoying, but
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i weirdly come to appreciate it because of how apock liptic this election has come to feel. >> that's a sign of a healthy democracy. they can treat each other as adversaries rather than enemies. go there and poke fun at each other and not get angry about it. of to think about how donald trump might handle this is it's worth looking back there has been a roast of donald trump so we know what it's like to sit on a stage for a few hours and get through the roast. he liked the attention of it. so he kind of likes it when people talk about him. at the end of the roast you go and respond to people. there was a whole joke writing process with him that did an inside what this looked like and rejejting a lot of the jokes written for him. one was what was the difference between donald trump's hair and the wet raccoon and $2 billion and he crossed it out and put $7
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billion. >> this gets to clinton on wednesday and at the dinner. which is the degree a lot of people felt like s so successfully debated in the first debate. the second was more rope a dope strategy that some people said she's rattled by craziness ahead of time. at some level, her best bet is to just not make news. >> that's what she's been doing for the last seven days. hants been out there and been preparing for the debate arguably. she'll be more prepared than he is for sure. there was that levity to the first debate. the shimmy and she was like okay, donald. let me talk now. hopefully we can go back to that hillary clinton and that hillary clinton shows that she is -- she's funny. she has a really good sense of humor. we saw that in the first debate. that makes her relatable. ful all the stuff that makeser so unfavorable so high. hopefully she can breakthrough. >> the levity is a great point. there was no levity in the
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second debate. it was so dark and desolate. felt ominous all of it that you want there to be something in there that doesn't feel quite so ominous. maybe that impossible providing the context i'm going to put you in prison and maybe supporters will revolt. >> there's a sense not just from hillary clinton and even donald trump at this point, but from the voters it's time for this to be over. there's no need to learn anything more. silly looking at debates. supposed to be 90 minutes of talking about policy. it's abouthether donald trump is a dangerously unfit person to be president. so it feels on some levels pointless to delve into his syria policy. given that everybody wants this to be over, the exercise of going and talking for 90 minutes feels silly. that's going to make the dinner feel especially silly. normally reporters and people who are political junkys like
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the month of october. nobody is having fun right now. even if for audience trouble to get into it at the dinner. >> thank you both. that is all in for this evening. rachel maddow show starts right now. >> good evening, chris. thanks and thanks to you at home staying with us for the next hour. happy monday. the governor of the great state of california is jerry brown. his dad was also a democratic governor of the state of california. his name was pat brown. pat brown was first elected governor of california in 1958. and he won by such a huge margin that the county by county results map from that governor's race when pat brown first became governor, even though it was 60/40, you look at the map of the state, it makes it look like it was a unanimous decision. that was 1958. then four years later, not by as resounding a margin, but still pretty

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