tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC October 18, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
the third and final debate of the election, you should plan to watch it here, commercial free, we kick off our coverage tomorrow at 6:00, followed by "hardball," then brian williams and i will take over at 8:00. we'll then bring you post debate coverage after the debate ends, probably starting around 10:30 eastern and going until we're all dead. so that's your plan for tomorrow night, it will be very exciting. it's the last debate of the year, the last debate of this election. you must be there. see you tomorrow night. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. that description of what happens tomorrow night was so good right up until that part. >> pro verbally dead. >> sorry.
donald trump said a lot of crazy things today in his continuing effort to change the subject from his alleged history of sexual assault, but once begin tonight that trump strategy will not work, at least not on this program. my first guest tonight is one of the six witnesses who now corroborate natasha stoynoff's story. he she is one of the women donald trump's current wife says is lying. she has already been caught in a public lie during this campaign. >> i believe my husband. i believe my husband. >> i'd invite mr. trump to stop whining and try to make his case to get votes. >> they even want to try to rig the election. >> stop whining, stop that. >> everything is peachy dorie, right?
>> complaining. >> the press has created a rigged system and poisoned the minds of the voters. >> did they ever check the background of these women? they don't have any facts. >> the magazine today publishing the accounts of five people who say the writer told them what happened at the time. >> she saw me on fifth avenue, never happened. >> we have an eyewitness, and this person remembers in great detail their encounter. >> a very crooked group of people. i've been under attack constantly. sdpla trump has been fending off attacks like a woman meeting donald trump. >> even though we're doing pretty good in the polls, i don't believe the polls anymore. >> hillary clinton up by ten. 51-41 over donald trump. >> believe me, folks, we're doing great. >> i give him many advices. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016.
so i often do not hear that video until it's run on the show. so that's the first time that i've heard donald trump say peachy dorie, which i just wrote down here, which adds more fuel to the notion that he really is a manchurian candidate, created in some other country and sent here with this very shaky command of the language, which comes out in things like idiom, that kind of thing. peachy dorie. so there is hunky-dory, which he did not say. and then there's just peachy or peachy-keen. he said peachy dorie. he actually said that. donald trump is on his way to a state right now where he is sinking in the polls. apparently, because of his bragging about sexual assault on that "access hollywood" video and accusations against him. accusations nbc news has not
verified and that donald trump has of course denied. and when he takes the debate stage tomorrow night in las vegas he will be in a state that has slipped away from him in the polls. hillary clinton now has her biggest lead in that state. the biggest lead she's had yet in nevada. we'll have more on some of these truly dramatic new polls, including a stunning new poll that could change the shape of presidential politics. but first, tonight, we're faced with a choice of who is lying. is melania trump lying? or is natasha stoynoff lying? not just misremembering but outright lying. it's a good thing for natasha stoynoff that she has not been caught lying about her educational experience. melania trump on the other hand removed from her website the
completely false information that she graduated from college in slovenia. that's the kind of thing that looks really bad when we're trying to decide if you're lying about something important. if you've already lied about something important like being a college graduate when you're not, that is something juries are encouraged to take into consideration when deciding who is lying. then there's the immigration record. donald trump promised melania trump would have a press conference and produce all her documentation proving that she entered the united states legally and never without permission. but melania trump has not done that. she's never produced any of that documentation. fox news didn't want to be outdone by last night's softball interview on cnn with melania trump, so they presented their beach ball interview with melania trump.
>> there were some reports about your immigration issue and how you got into this country, when you started modeling here, your visa, becoming a u.s. citizen. what are the facts? >> the facts are that i always obey the law, i have very clean past. i would never stay here as undocumented. >> no, of course, she would never violate or immigration laws, but she would also never, ever, ever release her immigration documents. what reason could she possibly have for not releasing her immigration documents as the wife of a presidential candidate? what if those documents revealed that she isn't telling the truth about her immigration history? on fox news this morning, melania trump got away with that very same ugly statement that she made last night on cnn about
evidence and sexual assault. >> what is your message to these women? >> that all the allegations should be handled in a court of law, and without the evidence to accuse somebody as a man or a woman, it's damaging, and it's unfair. >> as i was forced to explain here last night, every woman who has accused donald trump of assault has presented evidence. that evidence is their own eyewitness testimony of the sexual assault that they say happened to them. that is real evidence. and in some cases, even with just two people alone in a room, that kind of evidence is found to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt. some of the women have more evidence than others. today "people" magazine reported that six people now corroborate natasha stoynoff's story.
one of them is lisa herz. here's what melania trump said about that last night. >> she wrote in the same story about me, that she saw me on fifth avenue and i said to her, "natasha "natasha, how come we don't see you any more?" i am not friends with her. >> they chatted in a friendly way, and what strubt me most was that melania was carrying a child and wearing heels. they live five other witnesses, marina grassic who says she got a call after the attack.
natasha was also struggling about not hurting pregnant melania if the story came up. beyond just the a attack, she was horrified. she was particularly concerned, what else was he capable of. "people's" east coast reporter says she was very upset. i felt i had to direct her. deputy east coast editor mary green says natasha told her about the incident in shaky, he
against the wall and stuck his tongue down my throat. melania was upstairs and could have walked in at any time. another co-worker, liza hamm, who also knew about the attack, she said stoynoff told her she had to be taken off the donald trump beat. the sixth was her former journalism professor who says that natasha called him in tears looking for advice the very night of the harrowing encounter. joining us now, paul mcglothlin, of natasha stoynoff. and a correspondent for mtv news. could you tell us about that phone call? >> well, it wasn't unusual for natasha to call me for advice,
but that particular call was obviously something i would never have anticipated. she was very distraught. upset on many different levels. frightened. she was angry, and she was confused about what to do about what had occurred. >> and what did you tell her to do? what was your advice? >> well, you know, a prof tries to help a person get to their own decision. so we talked about all the different scenarios, and i did not think it warranted going to the police, if it had been much more serious, obviously that would have been the only course of action. then we talked about her confronting him or of her, you know, making it a big matter at "people" magazine, and i felt if she did do this, he was not the type of person who was going to say to his pregnant super model new wife, hey, when you were out of the room i hit on the reporter. so then i asked sort of the rhetorical question, what did i
think he would do. i thought if she confronted him, he would blame her, say she came on to him. and that would destroy her credibility, not just in that moment but that he could go to the magazine and say if you ever want to deal with me again she has to be fired. he could have gone to other magazines and said if you ever hire her you'll never get access to me or melania. during the election campaign, we've seen he's more than capable of doing something like that. >> and what was your judgment and her judgment about what would happen if he went to "people" magazine and threatened them that way? would, what would you have expected the leadership of "people" magazine to do? >> i think a magazine, the nature of the media, like that, is to back up your own people, and i have to believe that they would have done whatever they could, but i think it was a very
real threat that it could have tarnished her reputation, he could have presented her as someone who, you know, came on to him in order to further her career or get some money or whatever. so it was not just whether or not the magazine was going to back her up. >> annemarie, i would like to think that "people" magazine would have backed up their reporter, but i'm not so sure. >> well, it would be a really difficult position, i get we just have to face that. i do want to say melania's statements are incredibly disturbing, on one level more disturbing than some of the things trump has said. it's things like melania said that really keep them from reporting things like this. it's the idea that another woman not believing you, another woman saying well, other women come on to my husband all the time, as
though that would mean your husband didn't assault other women. her statement about not be being pretty enough. it's really disheartening and kind of disgusting. >> melania is just out of hand calling every one of these women a liar, that absolutely none of this happened. that is her position. they're all lying. annemarie, and then she goes beyond that to then dictate the terms by which women can make these accusations. they can only make them in courtrooms. they can only make them, i don't know, if they have video or something. i'm not sure what standard of proof she would require, but certainly, the eyewitness testimony by the victim is completely dismissible as far as melania trump is concerned. >> yeah, fingerprints, maybe, that's what she's looking for, a stray hair or two, to be honest, maybe that is something you could find. i think she's obviously dismissive and playing on this
that well, women just fall all over my husband, like they assert themself the. that was the other part of her statement, this idea that women come up and give donald trump their number in front of her. so that somehow makes it okay. and i know you talked about the unattractiveness argument before. but this particularly loathe some i feel like coming from another woman and coming from someone who should -- well, maybe i won't continue. i just think that this particular understanding or lack of understanding about sexual assault shows how little people understand this isn't about sexual attractiveness. this is about power and about something that donald trump felt like he could get away with. and i'm just going to say once begin, this is about the power of the presidency, too. there is a through-line from this behavior to the kind of behavior we might expect someone in the oval office, and i'm not necessarily talking about sexual assault, i'm talking about the abuse of power.
>> let's hear about melania trump giving advice talking about billy bush. >> many times i gave him advice, and i didn't agree to do all the tapes on howard stern. they hook him on. they try to get from him some, son unappropriate and dirty language. >> and now quickly, let's listen to what howard stern himself has said about this. >> a lot of the show that i've been doing for my entire life, radio show, publicly, is an effort to sort of do quote-unquote locker room talk, to just express all kinds of [ bleep ] and just not even care what anyone thinks. you know, that kind of thing.
but you know, this idea of locker room talk, i got to tell you something, all the times i've been around guys and believe me, when i'm around guys, 85% of the time you're talking about [ bleep ]. but i have never been in the room where someone has said grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> so even howard stern disagrees with donald trump about what locker room talk is. >> well, also, he talks about things an awful lot and knows that's not something you can do, to grab someone by that area. there's no handle. trump talking about this stuff is a little like rick tamblyn from "anchorman", or he doesn't know what he's talking about or he doesn't care. that's probably the real thing. he doesn't care what a woman's a anad nat any looks like, he just grabs at it. >> do you have any regrets about that phone call that night?
>> no, i feel even stronger that it was the right decision, because at the time natasha was a lone voice. she's come forward now because others have come forward as well and she's adding her voice to support them. but back then i think she'd have been on her own, and you know, a fairly young reporter, making her way in new york. i thought that she was unbelievably vulnerable, and i absolutely believe it was the right advice. >> and she also came forward with the benefit of donald trump having already basically confessed to this on that "access hollywood" video. that's something that she wouldn't have had supporting her back then. thank you very much for joining us, and ana marie cox, thank you. we're having you stand by for one more political chat. thank you, professor, really appreciate it. coming up, a truly amazing
donald trump is on his way to another complete wipeout in tomorrow night's debate. now when i was a kid, i went to school with some wise guys who made fun of the kids who studied and prepared for tests, but those wise guys who never, ever did their homework, at least never pretended that they were going to do better on the tests than the kids who did do their homework, which is to say, the very worst wise guy students that i went to school with were never, ever as stupid as donald trump. >> she's doing debate prep. she did so much debate prep. did we beat her badly in that second debate? [cheers and applause] sort of funny, she's been doing this for 30 years, now she has
to do debate prep for five days, you know what the debate prep is? it's resting. it's lying down, going to sleep. >> that was the stupidest and worst debater in history making fun of his opponent for preparing for the debate. debates in which she has kicked the heck out of donald trump. this is apparently all the debate prep that donald trump needs. >> i want to ask you about the debate. what is your advice to donald trump? >> just to be himself, keep it calm, cool, focus. and to talk about issues that american people want to hear about. this is apparently all the debate prep that donald trump needs. >> i want to ask you about the debate. what is your advice to donald trump? >> just to be himself, keep it calm, cool, focus. and to talk about issues that american people want to hear about. >> is there any chance that either of the trumps are self-aware enough to realize that mrs. trump just proved that
donald trump does not listen to his wife? at least when it comes to debate prep. bill o'reilly finally found something he agrees with president obama about. donald trump's whining about voter fraud. >> i'd advise mr. trump to stop whining. >> stop whining, stop that. >> one thing he does not whine about are the devastating polls showing hillary clinton in the lead and competitive in states where democrats normally don't have a chance. instead of whining about the polls he does the trump thing, he just lies about them. >> now even though we're doing pretty good in the polls, i don't believe the polls anymore. i don't believe them. i don't believe them. and if there's ten, and there's one or two bad ones, that's the only ones they show. believe me, folks, we're doing great.
>> a new fox news national poll shows hillary clinton at 45, donald trump at 39. joining us now is rick wilson. he's consulting for evan mcmullin who's making an independent run for the white house. back with us, ana marie cox. rick wilson, i don't believe the polls anymore, says donald trump. remember the days when every trump speech began with rattling off the latest polls? do we miss those days? >> you know, it is a fundamental fact of the trump world that good polls are trumpeted. and bad polls are malfeasance by some wicked pollster conspiring against donald trump. it is an astounding conceit that this guy who is getting his tail kicked as you said routinely now in almost every state, he's only
three points back or three points up on hillary clinton in texas. it's apocalypse for donald trump, and he's too dumb to realize it. >> and there's mrs. trump saying her debate advice to her husband is keep it calm, cool, which he's never done. focus, which he's never done. talk about the issues. ana marie, they don't, they're not self-aware enough to realize what they're admitting to there, that he just doesn't listen to her. >> i think they might share makeup tips, the tanning booth. >> is that the revenge, giving him bad makeup tips? >> super, super subtle trolling. he's getting all kinds of bad tips. i wanted to point out he doesn't have to separate whining and lying. lining. you know, i mean, i think that
actually, he might be right about hillary by the way. i think she might be resting up. if i were here, there's such a thing as overtraining, and she's been winning, so, you know, i might just do a carbo load at one of the buffets. she's fine, she could be resting. i'm a little worried about the debate but only because they've proven to be so embarrassing to all parties. hillary clinton to the extent that she hasn't come off well is because she has to share a stage with him. it makes her look less presidential by law of averages. >> and rick wilson, donald trump not doing debate prep today. he's been out there doing rallies, doing the stuff he has fun doing. >> look, donald trump is a fundamentally unserious person, a weak, undisciplined person. he is a guy who believes his own sales pitch, believes his own
line to some degree and has surrounded himself with people who enforce his reality distortion field that's around him at all times. and so steve bannon and other folks are in there kissing the ring and saying, yes, mr. trump, you're glorious, even though this guy is about to go have his head cut off on stage and hillary clinton's going to hold it up in victory when this thing is over. this is a guy who's so unready for this. and if he thinks he's going to pull any of these little tricks that he's talking about that didn't work in the last debate, i think it's going to be even more embarrassing four him. -- for him. he's just not ready for this. >> another debate means he has another new set of sexual assault allegations to face in this debate. >> yeah, it would be nice for him, and who knows, maybe he'll do another blank, straight-faced denial, and he will get another raft of people coming out and
accusing him. i do think that is what happened the last time when he looked america in the eye and lied to us. there were survivors of those assaults that couldn't help but call foul. part of me thinks that might happen again. i'm not entirely kidding that i'm worried about tomorrow night. i think he is a desperate man. a fundamentally unserious man. >> there's no telling what he will do. i think there's talk about a rigged election is incredibly inflammatory. he could do it again tomorrow night from the debate stage. it would lower not just the tone of the discourse, it really does threaten, you know, the rule of law when he does stuff like that. and we legitimatize it by broadcasting it. we don't really have a choice, i guess, in some ways, and he would have america captive in a way that he doesn't at his rallies, if he started spewing this stage tomorrow night. >> it might be his last time to
address a television audience that big in his life. thank you, ana marie. >> thank you. coming up. the strangest event of that strange campaign week is not tomorrow night's debate. we actually have some predictability about that. it's going to be what happens the next night when the two candidates meet in a way that donald trump is not going to like. [ keyboard typing ]
comcast. time for tonight's last word war room. the clinton and trump campaign war rooms are tonight staring at a stunning new poll that could represent the biggest change we've seen in american presidential politics in a generation. texas, that's right, texas, is now a battleground state. texas has been solidly republican since 1976. since then, two texas republicans have won the presidency three times. both of those texas republicans named george bush. the latest texas poll by the university of houston has donald trump and hillary clinton tied within the margin of error, with trump at 41 and hillary clinton at 38%. 538's nate silver now projects that hillary clinton has a much greater chance of winning the state of texas than donald trump has of winning the presidency.
in nevada tonight, the scene of tomorrow's presidential debate, hillary clinton has opened up a seven-point lied. a new monmouth poll has her at 47, donald trump at 40. that's her biggest lead in that state so far, and with just 20 days left for the campaign war rooms we are joined by liz smith, former deputy campaign director of martin o'malley's presidential campaign and the rapid response director for the 2012 presidential campaign, rick wilson is also back with us. liz, texas, i can't believe it! texas! >> the lonestar state, yes. >> this is so exciting. >> it is exciting. it's a good sign for the clinton campaign. i think texas is in a little bit of a different bucket from nevada. but they both kind of present the same problem for the republican party, which is that if they continue to put up candidates like donald trump, they face demographic armageddon.
you know, texas is a state with a huge latino population. nevada, percentage wise has the largest latino population in the country, and if you put up a candidate like donald trump, who is the most unpopular candidate with latinos in modern history, or in history, i think. you don't stand a chance in these states, and these states are kind of the future. they just kind of show the way for american politics. so democrats should be feeling optimistic about it. and republicans should be feeling very troubled that hillary clinton, that a democrat is going with ads in texas in the presidential race. >> spending money. rick wilson, how is texas republican senator ted cruz feeling? he's looking at that hole, he's got to be as stunned as the rest of us are. >> ted cruz has been looking at a very bleak, long road ahead of him, given wherever he is, whatever flip or flop he's done
on his support of trump this week, i'm not sure where he's at at the moment. it could be anything at this point, but ted cruz is looking at i think some real long-term electoral problems in texas. he's going to get a more moderate candidate on his, on his, in the center, and he's going to get a trump-type primary from some lunatic like katrina pearson. and this is a guy who's made every wrong choice, and this is a broader thing about republican leaders who are looking now, you know, there are plenty of republicans in texas who are big cheerleaders for donald trump like congressman fahrenthold, those guys have been out there, beat egg the drum, tearing their clothes off for donald trump at the slightist hint, and he's about to destroy the top-down electoral dominance of republicans in the state of texas. texas. it's, this is the definition of insanity at this point, and frankly, republican leaders, republican elected officials,
it's not enough to just go, eh, i'm uncomfortable with the nominee. if they want to save themselves, they need to burn him to the ground. they need to say forget it, i abandon this party and this man. i run from this poison. i will not have this leper enter my home. this is a guy who's going to absolutely destroy them. and they're going to ride the death train all the way down. >> and liz, when you look at that poll in texas, that tells you just how shaky republican campaigns are down ballot throughout the country. any of these battleground states. the senate campaigns in states like new hampshire, you look at that texas poll and you say this must mean there's even more strength in some other states than we realize. >> there hasn't, a democrat hasn't won statewide in texas since 1994. barack obama won nevada in 2008. he won in 2012, and now we're defending the senate seat there. so it's very smart of hillary clinton to be playing hard
there, that's a seat we have to hold. but i do think it pour tends well for democrats. we need to fight hard, tooth and nail for every seat down the ticket. >> if she gets elected with a republican senate, she's just handcuffed. i don't know what she gets to accomplish at that point. thank you for joining us, really appreciate it. coming up, for donald trump, nothing is more important than being tough. okay, being rich is more important than being tough, but right after rich, it's tough. he says it all the time. he's the toughest politician ever. and now, of course, he's criticizing hillary clinton for being too tough. that's next, it really is.
>> donald trump is very tough. he's got a tough temperament, he's got a tough tone. they're very smart, tough people like me. we are going to get tough. you got to be tough on immigration, believe me. he said to me, donald, i thought you were much too tough on china, too tough on japan, too tough on mexico. they say tough, he's a tough guy. i'm being tough. >> you get it? he's tough. he's like the toughest politician ever. and of course hillary clinton is the opposite. >> hillary clinton is weak. >> i'm much tougher than her. hillary clinton is a weak person. weak, infective. >> you get it? donald trump tough, hillary clinton weak. it sounds as if hillary clinton were just tough, maybe donald trump wouldn't have to run for president, because hillary clinton is so weak donald trump is the only way for us to have a tough president. right?
>> she talks tough with russia. she shouldn't be talking so tough. >> so the president should be tough, but the president should never be tough with the toughest person the president has to deal with. vladimir putin. >> they insult him constantly. no wonder he can't stand obama and hillary clinton. >> donald trump would be the toughest president ever except with vladimir putin. we can only wonder just how much money donald trump might owe to russian billionaires created by vladimir putin.
the night after tomorrow night's debate, the candidates will meet at the most unusual event of the campaign season, the ultra formal al smith dinner, where they will be invited to tell a few jokes and will have to listen to a lot of jokes about themselves. and, as we've seen, donald trump is not always the best audience for political jokes about donald trump. >> obviously, we all know about your credentials and breadth of experience. [ laughter ] for example, you know, seriously, just recently in an episode ever "celebrity apprentice", at the steakhouse, the mens cooking team did not impress the judges from omaha steaks. and there was a lot of blame to go around, but you, mr. trump recognized that the real problems with a lack of
leadership, so ultimately, you didn't blame lil jon or meat loaf. you fired gary busey. and these are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night. >> that's right. any excuse to run that tape. we'll be right back with the comedy writer who contributed to president obama's last al smith dinner speech and a historian who will tell us, what could possibly go wrong at this year's al smith dinner.
this dinner honors governor smith and hess long record of distinguished service to our country. >> that was presidential candidate john f. kennedy at the 1960 al smith dinner, named for the governor from new york. it is the next stop after tomorrow night's debate. the very next night after that debate, donald trump and hillary clinton will meet at that dinner
where tradition has it they will deliver light and humorous remarks that include jokes about each other. >> anyway, we all know that senator obama is ready for any contingency, even the possibility of a sudden and traumatic market rebound. i'm told that at the first sign recovery he will suspend his campaign and fly immediately to washington to address this crisis. >> with everyone in white tie and finery, you have to wonder what he's thinking. so little time, so much to redistribute. >> earlier today, i went shopping at some stores in midtown. i understand governor romney went shopping for some stores in midtown. >> lock her up just isn't going to work as a joke at that dinner, joining us, a former speechwriter for president obama. he's now head writer for funnier
guys, also joining us, a historian of new york politics, the author of "machine made", david, tell us what the writing pressure is going into this dinner. a lot of things can go wrong here. >> yeah, i mean, this is a very strange ritual. and it comes at a really intense time in a campaign, so both sides have been at each other's throats for weeks, and now suddenly they have to step back and kind of be funny for an evening and in the most pleasant of campaigns it can be an awkward moment, and this is not the most pleasant of campaigns. >> even an incumbent president is on an equal footing with the challenger. >> and sometimes an incumbent president in times of difficulty, it's a tougher assignment.
for example jimmy carter in 198 0 very tough time, hostages, his advisers said, don't be funny. that was a mistake. >> and david, talk about that. there's different vents that -- events that have occurred around the world, where the question becomes, is it okay to be funny on that night, that distance from the latest tragic event that's occurred somewhere in the world. >> yeah, absolutely. we were always very aware of the fact that these jokes were going to live on. they were going to live on tape forever. so you can write a joke, but if it might not be funny if something happens a week from now or a year from now, if it seems like it's retroactively in poor taste we would leave it on the cutting room floor. we wouldn't use it. and the same way with attacks on an opponent. if it seems like it's going the
wrong way, it's not worth it to do. >> you've been watching donald trump at the close quarters, close proximity of new york for many years. he can get a lot of things wrong there tomorrow night. of all the people who have ever done thi he's the one capable of ever getting it wrong. >> i don't know if he's capable of laughing or smiling except if he's insulting someone, and the very notion ever self-deprecating humor, i don't think it comes naturally to him. >> i've never heard him do an ad lib that would be appropriate in that room. and yet, it's hard to imagine him carefully reading jokes. >> no, maybe he will stick to the scripts. if you look at the jokes he tells at his rallies, they're mainly about punching down, rather than being gracious and
welcome to the final state dinner of my presidency. but, in the immortal words of a great italian american, yogi barra, it ain't over till it's over. >> i know michelle, after last week, let me be very frank, your speech is better than your tomatoes. and thank you so much. >> that was the obama administration's final state dinner at the white house tonight. "the 11th hour with brian williams" is next. tonight our live coverage from las vegas, donald trump, hillary clinton prepare for their final presidential debate.
what we are learning about their plans going in and who donald trump is bringing to that's the quote from president obama toward donald trump for trying to discredit the election before votes are counted. and further, suggesting trump doesn't have what it takes to do the job. and not backing down, trump warns of corruption at the polls in some of the nation's biggest cities, tonight, what his followers are warning might happen if he loses. "the 11th hour" begins now. you are looking live at the las vegas strip from the maraj in the background home of donny and marie all the way down to valleys and beyond. and fair warning, we're expanding to a full hour tonight because of the ground we have to cover. three weeks from tonight, we'll be covering the election returns. 24 hours from now, we will be