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>> that does it for us for now. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. have a great day. >> thanks so much. hi, there, i'm stephanie ruhle. the final showdown. trump and clinton square off. >> he would rather have a puppet as president off the united states. >> no puppet, no puppet. you're the puppet. >> in a debate that ends with a bombshell, donald trump refusing to say he'll accept the results of the election. >> what i'm saying is i'll keep you in respenls. >> that refusal setting off a firestorm within the republican party. >> he is going to win. >> possibly creating a giant opening for hillary clinton. >> you know, it was horrifying what he said on the debate stage tonight. >> and putting a nation on edge for the next 19 days. >> oh, oh, suspense.
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democracy is going to end with a cliffhanger. >> all right, we're going to begin today with the debate. one that seemed like a debate from elections past. why? because it was actually focused on the issues. we have our team of reporters standing by to break down the whole night. first, i want to go back to donald trump. his flat out refusal to accept the final vote as the final word. it was easily the headline of the night and something hillary clinton says should come as no surprise to anyone. >> he lost the iowa caucus, he lost the wisconsin primary, he said the republican primary was rigged. >> she's lied hundreds of times. >> he claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him. >> she's been proven to be a liar. >> he started tweeting at the emmys were rigged. >> should have gotten it. >> this is a mindset. >> this is just another lie. >> he never apologizes or says he's sorry for anything. >> we have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out. >> there's only one of us on the
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stage who has shipped jobs to mexico because that's donald. >> she should have never been allowed to run for the presidency. >> he said he could not possibly have done those things to those women because they were not attractive enough for -- >> i did not say that. i did not say that. >> donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. >> all fiction lies. probably or possibly started by her and her very sleazy campaign. >> a pattern of divisiveness of a very dark and in many ways dangerous vision of our country. >> if you become president, this country is going to be in some mess, believe me. >> i'm going to just say that was a beautiful montage that my team fut together from last night. the only thing missing was liar, liar, pants on fire. so let's bring in conservative radio host and msnbc contributor charlie sykes and megan murphy, the washington bureau chief for
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bloomberg news. charlie, let's start with you. donald trump's refusal to accept the results. is that the headline of the night? >> yeah, of course, it is. and you know, he may have had a stronger night up until that moment, but he basically strapped on the political suicide vest and blew himself up. robert costa was absolutely right last night when he said this is no longer about winning the election or about appealing to swing voters. this is about beginning to start a grievance movement. what you have here is donald trump setting up the excuse, the rationalization for his defeat, and trying to convince his supporters that, you know, they should follow him out into the wilderness. alienating them from the political process, and of course, this is going to be the story, and obviously, he knew what he was doing. >> megan, chris wallace had a hard job and he stayed on course. i want to play some of that exchange regarding donald trump's allegations about the rigged election, because chris
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went after him three times. take a look. >> one of the prides of this country is the peaceful transition of power. are you saying you're not prepared now to get to that principle. >> i will tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. >> well, chris, let me respond to that because that's horrifying. >> megan, i'll keep you in suspense. trump surrogates are now qualifying it, adding caveats. but what's the truth here? he said it very clearly. >> he said it very clearly and he was given the opportunity several times to walk back from that statement, and what he did is what he's done all campaign long, which is he doubled down. you know, we were just talking about building a grievance movement. the fact of the matter is if he's building some movement, it's dwindling by the day. we see it losing support, not only among women, faces a 20-point gap, we show him losing among men, among less educated voters. i'm not sure it's not much about a movement anymore as it is his own personal agenda.
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he's clearly not listening to his campaign managers. kellyanne conway herself dirsancing herself from the comment. mike pence walking away from the comment on whether or not they'll assessmeccept the resul. he's walking out in the wilderness on his own. >> what does this mean for his team or other republican whose just yesterday was so clear when they said this is not voter fraud. i mean, ivanka trump came out yesterday and the one takeaway was, my father will accept the results. and then five hours later, that's not his story. >> yeah, well, this is a microcosm of the whole campaign where you have the down ballot republicans holding their breath, hoping he's going to say something responsible, then he does something like this. this is a real challenge now to the paul ryans of the world, the mitch mcconnells of the world, all of the other candidates in senate and house races. whether or not they're going to be willing to push back against this. and of course, that's highly risky with less than three weeks
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to go in the campaign. but once again, you know, this has been the story of this campaign that just when you think, right, that of course donald trump is going to pivot, of course he's going to try to be more presidential, what does he do? the damage is not just to his campaign. obviously, it's going to be for the entire republican party. and once again, they have to choose, what are they going to do? what do they stand for? >> to that point, what does a paul ryan do right now, or these other republicans? we have said before, last week, when he said hillary clinton should be jailed, people said, this is a disqualifying remark. here we are this morning, michael steele, nicolle wallace, steve schmidt saying this is disqualifying. if you're paul ryan, what do you do here? >> if you're paul ryan, you had the opportunity to walk away and the opportunity to walk away very publicly. he's facing a very difficult choice every single day. no question that donald trump is becoming a bigger drag, not only on senate races but as we look at the makeup of the house, and even if republicans maintain the
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house, when they're likely to do, he'll go to be dealing with a much thinner margin and a party that may revolt against his speakership as well. he has got to come out and make more forceful statements about this kind of rhetoric. i want to make an important point. yes, this will be all the headlines about suspense until the election, but let it not overshadow the comments he made. calling the women who made sexualed van eed advanced to hig they were out for fame. those are likely to get overshadowed. a duoubling down of the metdric that made women leave his campaign in droves and with him showing no sign of making any sort of retrenchment or outreach to the voters he would need not just to win but to even make declose. >> you're clearly saying hillary clinton won, huh? >> i think she won last night. i think she's won all three debates. i think the polls show that. you know what she delivered last night was a really disciplined
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performance but a more emotive performance. she was really personal and connecting issues like partial birth abortion, the abortion ban, gun laws and sort of its effect on children. she made that more personal last night and got angrier than i think a lot of people have seen her last night. she clearly has gotten to the point where she can barely tolerate being on stage with the man, calling his comments about the election horrifying, terrifying. that's the kind of rhetoric a lot of people in her camp have wanted her to give. a lot of people on the further left parts of the party have really wanted her to hammer home. she did it last night. she was more effective than she has been in the past in really driving home the points the points that are anathema to her as a person and to the party why she thinks it is reprehensible. >> thanks so much. i would say you noelted that at the end when there was no hand shake. >> following donald trump's bombshell remarks last night, the focus has suddenly shifted not just from election day but to stay on the point, to the day after. everyone is talking about donald's refusal, potential
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refusal to accept election results. nbc's hallie jackson who i want to point out, and kristen welker, have been working around the clock. they have been following these campaigns all, for months. joining me now, i'm glad you're awake. i'm amazed that you are. hallie, let's start with you. you asked a number of trump surrogates about the idea of not accepting the results. i want to play some of that. >> barring some sort of massive fraud situation, of course, he's going to accept the outcome of the election. >> if the vote is fair, i'm confident we'll accept. >> did they watch the debate? >> well, that's the question you have to push them on, when we asked these folks, rieneince priebus, mike pence, kellyanne conway last night. that direct lly contradicts wha donald trump has said. what we have seen is donald trump saying one thing and then an effort made to try to clarify what the candidate may have
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meant. in many instances when you hear the words from the nominee himself, from the nominee herself, that does just inherently carry moeg weight than what surrogates will say. this as well, what you're seeing is a real effort by the trump campaign and in their view, there is a sense that if there is voter fraud, widespread voter fraud, of which there has not been evidence of so far in political history, then donald trump will potentially contest the results of an election. the talking point last night, what we heard again and again, was the comparison to al gore in 2000. >> all right, kristen, clearly hillary clinton loves this. she was talking about it last night. here's what she said. >> what he said tonight is part of his whole effort to blame somebody else for his campaign and for where he stands in this election. >> all right, she's going to stay on this for a while, huh? >> i think yes and no. she will be making that point, but i think what you're going to start to see, stephanie, is a
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shift from secretary clinton herself to the positive. and she ended on that note last night in the debate when she said she would be a president for all americans. that was her way of trying to start the process of reaching out to trump supporters, those who are still undecided. and to really look beyond election day. the campaign thinks that ending on a positive note is critical, they want to give voters something to vote for instead of just pushing them to vote against donald trump. one top campaign aide said that is critical to rounding out this election. but as hallie was pointing out, what you hear from the principle is different than what you hear from surrogates, so i think you're going to hear a strong message from surrogates echoing what you just heard from secretary clinton in those remarks. again, we have been talking about this all week. the clinton campaign really wants to expand the map, to have a convincing win to blunt any talk of a rigged election. >> all right, kristen, hallie, thanks so much.
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take a nap, guys. up next, donald trump suggests iraq launched the campaign to retake mosul in order to help out the clinton campaign. we'll take you live to iraq next. >> but first, throughout the hour we're going to do something you don't often see on the campaign, fact checking. katie sanders joins me now. our first topic, undocumented labor. >> he used undocumented labor to build the trump tower. he underpaid undocumented workers. >> katie, what's the truth? >> we rated her statement true. clinton is referring to the development of trump tower in new york. and we did find that he hired a contractor that hired more than 200 undocumented polish workers. so her statement is correct. >> all right. there you go. we have to take a quick break. much more fact checking coming up throughout the hour on msnbc, this is the place for politics.
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last night's debate focused on some of the major issues that have been concerning voters this election. the supreme court, isis, and russian hacking. we have our reporters here to whip us through. let's start with one of the first questions of the night, appointing a new supreme court justice. and how that will impact roe v. wade. >> i will defend roe v. wade and i will defend women's rights to make their own health care decisions. >> because i am pro life and i will be appointing pro-life judges. i would thing that that will go back to the individual states. >> i'm asking you specifically, would you -- >> if they overturned it, it will go back to the states. >> ari melber joins me now. donald trump never really answered would they overturn roe v. wade. i kind of thought he was vague here. >> by not answering it, he landed on the mainstream republican position of the last
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several cycles. basically saying we commit to putting pro-life jurjs on the court, but we're going to lev to the court and states to resolve this. that's his way of saying he supports what he calls life but he's not going to be responsible for a national abortion ban. hillary clinton holding to her position that roe v. wade is the law of the land and a decision best left to women, their doctors, and their faith. >> we have to move a iraq. the iraqi military with the support of american soldiers currently undergoing an offensive to retake the isis stronghold of mosul. this could continue into the next president's term. >> the only reason they did it is because she's running for the office of president and they want to look tough. >> i'm just amazed that he seems to think that the iraqi government and our allies and everybody else launched the attack on mosul to help me in this election. but that's how donald thinks. >> nbc's matt bradley is outside mosul in erbil, iraq. was this a political ploy?
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>> reporter: well, if it's a political ploy by hillary clinton and her supporters, then she's done a pretty bad job of it. even the most optimistic forecasts don't see mosul falling within the next three weeks. if it is a political ploy, it's been done by iraqi prime minister. he has regularly promised that mosul will return to roiraqi has before the end of this year. he staked his political life on this, and he was elected into office because of this. it's a political ploy, it's not hillary clinton's. >> every day, wikileaks has been releasing thousandsf of e-mails from allegedly key members of the clinton campaign staff. the dnc's e-mails were hacked, and the hackers have tried to break into the state polling systems. >> cyber attacks come from the highest levels of the kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election. i find that deeply disturbing. and i think it's --
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>> she has no idea whether it's russia, china, or anybody else. >> i'm not quoting myself. i'm quoting 17 -- >> you have no idea. >> 17 intelligence -- do you doubt 17 military and civilian agencies. >> this one baffles me. hans is in d.c. how is there a dispute whether or not it's russia doing the hacking here? 17 agencies have said it is. >> stephanie, according to u.s. intelligence officials, that's absolutely correct. these are the official assessment from the united states intelligence agencies. what hillary clinton did there, though, is she took the official assessment and she souped it up a little bit. we didn't hear the quip where she said putin wants to have donald trump be the next president of the united states. what the intelligence officials have done is gone so far as to say there's interfering. they haven't said who the kremlin's choice might be. it was an extra bit of augmentation we heard from hillary clinton and crucially, donald trump did not litigate, did not dispute that point. >> ari, matt, hahns, thank you
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it's time now for your morning primer, everything you need to know to get your day started. we begin with the presidential nominees who are back on the campaign trail this morning. donald trump begins the day in ohio, before coming face-to-face rr with hillary clinton again tonight at an annual charity dinner which is supposed to be comedic, right here in new york city. >> and four days into the iraqi-led siege to reclaim the city of mosul, iraq's prime minister says the operation against isis is going faster than planned. >> u.s. officials say they detected another failed missile launch in north korea. it comes just hours after secretary of state john kerry announced the u.s. will deploy an anti-missile system to south korea as soon as possible.
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>> and tesla motors taking another leap in self-driving. announcing wednesday that all of the cars they make will have full self-driving hardware as of today. >> and for the first time since 1997, the cleveland indians are headed for the world series. taking down the toronto blue jays last night, 3-0. congratulations, cleveland. all right, back to last night. one of the moments that is still trending on twitter from the debate is donald trump's comments on immigration. and the bad hombres living in the u.s. >> i want to build a wall. we need the wall. and the border patrol, i.c.e., they all want the wall. we stop the drugs, we shore up the border. but we have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out. >> get them out. joining me to talk about this, "washington post" poin writer a msnbc contributor jonathan cape art, and betsy woodruff. >> jonathan, bad hombres, i
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don't even want to get into the political correctness debate, but what are your thoughts on how he's doubling down on getting rid of amnesty for all illegal immigrants? >> well, i mean, we have known what donald trump thinks about immigration, immigrants, mexicans in particular, since he announced his campaign on june 16th, 2015. when you're at this point in a campaign, you're supposed to be expanding your base. expanding your message to bring in more people so that you can get over the finish line, so that you can get 50 plus 1 percent of the vote so you can be elected. to use language like that, hombres, nasty woman, which i'm sure we're going to talk about in a moment, only says one thing to me. that he is still playing to his base, still playing a very closed, exclusive in the negative sense of the word, campaign. clearly, to me, not really interested in being elected
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president of the united states. >> well, he's got some senior citizens in that base, and they like to vote. when he was talking about social security reform, i do actually want to share the moment you were talking about right now. >> my social security pay roll contribution will go up, as will donald's assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. but what we want to do is -- >> such a nasty woman. >> nasty woman. okay, betsy. he has been trying to win back women voters. senior citizens care about social security reform. what do you think women think when they see that nasty woman? >> they're less than enamored, i think we can safely make that assessment. another moment in the evening when he made a strange comment about women came perhaps a little shorter in the debate when he talked about how he cherished women more than anybody else. frank luntz did a focus group asking undecided voters what
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they thought it was trump's worst line of the night, asserting he's somehow the number one champion for women. the reality is he doesn't have a lot of credibility on this issue and it's going to be enormously difficult for him to find an effective way to push back on now what is upwards of two weeks of allegations from a host of women saying he's treated them in a way that's sexually inappropriate. for him to turn on a dime and suggest he's a hero for all the ladies everywhere is something a lot of people aren't going to believe and it's probably not a particularly effective strategy for him going forward. >> jonathan, chris wallace asked both candidates about their qualphics for the job. here's what hillary clinton had to say about what she's been up to and what donald has done. >> i was taking on discrimination against african american kids in schools. he was getting sued by the justice department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings. on the day when i was in the situation room, monitoring the raid that brought osama bin laden to justice, he was hosting
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the "celebrity apprentice." so i'm happy to compare my 30 years of experience. >> okay, jonathan, clearly, that was a rehearsed response. but do you think it resonated, because to bring up "celebrity apprentice" twice when she talks about her career history, did it sting, did it work? >> yes, because if you isolate it, maybe not, but in the litany of things that she said in the clip that you just showed, i think it had power because it showed that she has seriousness. she has experience. she's been around all of this. and can handle the difficulties and the problems that will face the next president of the united states no matter who it is. and i think the other reason why it had such power is because donald trump has run a campaign that hasn't been serious, hasn't been serious in terms of the way you run for president, but also hasn't really been serious in terms of policy. in terms of what he wants to do
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for the country with any real specifics, with any real debatable plans where you can really have a conversation about where he wants to take the country and where she wants to take the country. so given her experience and the resume she laid out, contrasting hers versus his, i think it was a very effective moment. >> vladimir putin was again a topic. many people in the country don't necessarily know what a threat, what a force vladimir putin is. and this is one person, one issue that donald trump hasn't flip-flopped on. he's said, listen, maybe russia and i could work together. how do you think the two candidates did in addressing russia and the fact that donald trump again said, well, maybe it's not necessarily russia involved in the hacking when 17 intelligence agencies have said it is. betsy. >> they took very different tacks on this question. trump, of course, said i'm not best friends with putin, i don't know him, however, if i'm president, i want us to have a much better relationship. clinton took the opposite
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approach. when chris wallace brought up the wikileaks e-mails which have been a significant problem for the clinton campaign just given the amount of time they have to spent pushing back against what some of these say, she brought the e-mails up to pivot away from a tough question on where she came down on border enforcement, framing the debate in terms of vladimir putin trying to take her out as a candidate, trying to keep her from being president. trump has suggested, of course, that if he were president, we would have a better relationship with vladimir putin, while clinton suggested that putin doesn't want her to be president because maybe their relationship wouldn't be amicable. that's a really big contrast. very much on display last night, how differently these two candidates feel about the united states' relationship with russia going forward. >> betsy, jonathan, thank you for helping us dissect the debate. >> coming up, we have been keeping a running tally this debate season. how many times did trump interrupt hillary clinton. how many times did he shout the word wrong? we'll break that down for you. first, fact check time from
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katie sanders. our next topic, allegations that donald trump groped women. >> first of all, those stories have been largely debunked. those people i don't know those people. >> katie, what's the truth? >> we rated this statement false. the stories have not been all independently bunked. we checked five of the nine and found that none have been independently questioned. and of the remaining four, the trump campaign has tried to discredit some of the women's story, but in mose of the cases, they have other people on their side who say that what happened is accurate. so trump's campaign did not present compelling evidence. >> there you have it. much more fact checking coming up on msnbc. why? because this is the place for politics. [ keyboard typing ]
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♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ wrong, wrong, wrong. >> that, of course, was donald trump last night refuting much of what hillary clinton had to say. how many times did high shout out the word "wrong"?
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let's break it down by the numbers. last night, donald trump said wrong a total of five times. he interrupted 35 times. >> there's no quote. she has no idea. >> i'm quoting 17 -- >> you have no idea. such a nasty woman. >> and she interrupted ten times. >> very beautiful hotel down the street -- >> made with chinese steel. that's unuptick since last debate she interrupted her 19 times and she only interrupted him twice. >> russian president vladimir putin played a big part in the debate last night. >> putin. >> putin. >> putin, putin, putin. >> putin, putin, putin, 16 times. and how about those celebrity apprentice? >> he was hosting the celebrity apprentice. while you were doing celebrity apprentice. there was even a time when he didn't get an emmy for his tv program. >> i didn't hear "you're fired" but celebrity apprentice came
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about three times. donald trump either said the word bigly or big league twice. >> that's what's happening, big league. we're going to speed up the process big league. >> the internet still can't decide exactly what he's saying, and bill clinton's acuers only came up once when chris wallace asked the question and neither candidate answered it. how many hand shakes were there? a total of zero. not at the beginning, not at the end, and their spouses didn't shake hands either. >> president obama responded to last night's debate, tweeting, outstanding. three for three debate sweep for hillary clinton. no one has ever been more prepared to be president of the united states. coming up, battle of the tax plans. it may have been the meatiest section of any of the three debates. who came out ahead? our newest colleague ali velshi joins us to break it down. throughout the hour, we have been fact checking the debate. katie sanders is back. our next topic, a wall along the
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southern border. >> hillary clinton wanted the wall. hillary clinton fought for the wall. in 2006. >> katie, what's the truth? >> we rated this half true. hillary clinton did vote for about 700 miles of border fencing, but trump makes you think she wanted what he's been proposing this whole campaign when really trump's wall and that fence were very different. >> fence, not a wall. i know this fence isn't going to get mended between those two any time soon. more fact checking coming up on msnbc because this is the place for politics.
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this got me excited last night. one of the biggest iessues durig the debate is how hillary clinton and donald trump would handle the economy and american's money. republicans and democrats have always differed greatly on their economic plans, but this election, trump and clinton's view on money seem to be further
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apart. i'm especially excited. why? because msnbc's newest member ali velshi has been looking into each candidate's economic blan and this is your debut. >> exciting to be with you on this tomic because we both love this. >> we talk about how jobs and the economy are most important to americans. j yet we rarely talk about it. let's go over their tax plans. >> so, the simplest way to explain this is that hillary clinton is going to, if you earn under $133,000 a year, nothing is going to go up for you. from $133,000 to about $500,000 a year, you will actually see a little more in taxation. she claims nobody earning less than $250,000 a year will see an increase. that's not intearily true. >> we have that sound. let's share it right now. >> we are going to have the wealthy pay their fair share. we're going to have corporations make a contribution greater than they are now. >> we're going to cut taxes massively. we're going to cut business taxes massively. they're going to start hiring
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people. we're going to bring the $2.5 billion off shore back into the country. >> cutting business taxes, what we're going tluz in getting the tax revenue, how can see we we're going to make that up in growth and revenue? >> that's where the problem comes down to. there are plans and then there are aspirations and hopes. he assumes what he does here is going to result in that. there are examples in the modern world where that hasn't happened. canada is a perfect example. they took high corporate taxes, reduced them to 15% across the board but made them everyone, d republican, everyone wands more
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growth and more jobs. everybody tries different ways to get that. i think you and where probably agree that a president has less influence over creating jobs than they say they do. these plans are different. they are true in so far as hillary clinton will raise taxes on the wealthy. those above $250,000, those earning more than $5 million will pay a surtax. the buffet rule would go into effect. on donald trump's side, people will play lower taxes and the top 1% in particular will pay substantially lower taxes. >> even though we have come out of the fascial crisis in the last eight years, it has been slow and steady and many americans feel forgotten. chris wallace brought up president obama's 2009 stimulus plan and hillary clinton, she defended it and said she's going to go a step further. >> doesn't get the credmenit he deserves for taking some hard positions, but it was a terrible recession. >> now, donald trump has said we have the worst gdp growth in
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history under president obama. there's an argument to make it has been slow growth and anemic jobs. >> it depends on how you parse gdp growth. overall, it's been 50 or 60 years when we have seen sub-50 growth. we compared that to china and india. they're not as mature. when your kids are adolescents or little ones, you see all their growth. every week, you can see they're growing. >> i mark it. >> right, once they're 20, you don't do that anymore. america is not an adolescent anymore. it will not see that type of growth. growth in america is under 1.5%, or projected to be. to get it to 2% would be a major accomplishment. a month ago, he said he wanted to see it at 4%, which is baseless, and last night, he said 5% or 6%. this is the kind of thing i worry about because people generally don't follow economic growth. when you think he's going to triple or quadruple our economic growth, i'm going to vote for him, people have to understand,
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that's baseless. there's no evidence, no road map for it. >> americans out there who don't have economic experience do give donald trump the benefit of the doubt given his business prowess, but for you, what was your something sort of stand-out moment. >> that was it. he tends to bring this up, he has a way of saying economic growth in america is about 1%. i think it's going to be 4% and my economic advisers don't like me to say this, but i think it's going to be even higher than that. that's the kind of stuff that's just a pants on fire lie, that people wisely don't want to get into because i'm worried on my debut here people are going to turn off the channel because i'm talking about gdp growth, but this is really important to understand. i want to have a big afro, but it's not going to happen. it's an aspiration, not a plan. that's what the gdp growth thing is ability. it's important. if your economy doesn't grow, you don't get new jobs, your wages don't go up. nothing works for you. >> across the board, economists on the left side or the right
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have been saying his growth plan in terms of gdp, these numbers just don't add up. >> not going to work, not going to add up. it doesn't make hillary clinton's great. it's just that we could actually follow the road map on hillary clinton's. we can't do that with donald trump. >> you can follow ali's hair all time. thrilled you're here. >> coming up, it was the biggest moment of last night's debate. donald trump refusing to say he would accept the outcome of the election. right after a day when his surrogates were insisting he would. what exactly would happen if the nominee refused to accept defeat? th myself that i would never grow up. we met when we were very young... i was 17, he was 18. we made the movie the book of life. we started doing animation. with the surface book, you can actually draw on the screen. so crisp. i love it. it's almost like this super powerful computer and a tablet had the perfect baby. (laughing) it's a typewriter for writing scripts... it's a sketchbook for sketches... ...it's a canvas for painting...
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the biggest headline from last night's debate was donald trump refusing to say he would accept the outcome of the election. while his surrogates, they have been saying the opposite. >> i want to ask you here on the stage tonight, do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely -- sir -- that you
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will absolutely accept the result of this election? >> i will look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i'll look at it at the time. >> if the vote is fair, i'm confident we'll accept. >> i'll tell you at the time. >> if he'll either win or he won't win, and i believe he'll accept the outcome either way. >> i'll keep you he'll accept t outcome. >> al gore didn't accept it, did he? >> keep you in suspense. chief legal correspondent ari melber is back. rudy giuliani is comparing the possible outcome of this election with what happened to al gore. would you compare to t the two? >> al gore said it wasn't even a question because al gore had not sewn doubts and both candidates said they would accept the outcome. the difference is here absent a close race or irregularities, someone repeatedly casting doubt
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on the very mechanism and fairness of the election system even though as many people understand, it is overseen locally by local officials in both parties. so this would have to be a conspiracy by many against one on a scale that is physically impossible based on how voting works in this country and i just want to say, what donald trump is doing and implying is incredibly unprecedented and haven't seen a major party nominee do this and irresponsible. it takes well meaning people who like his politics, which is fine, this is an election and turn them potentially into doubters of our democracy which is bigger than any single election. >> this is what we've heard over and over in the last 14 hours. steve schmidt, nicole wallace, they've gone off on this not just as un-american but a threat to the democratic system. i want you to share what michael steel said. >> that moment for me was a definitive moment. it was a disqualifying moment.
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>> a disqualifying moment. we heard this is a disqualifying moment quite a few times already but let's say he does contest this. what would happen? >> two ways to contest it. if you have a close race that under the law, allows for recounts or some litigation over the issues in the election, you can go forward with that. we've seen that before at the state level. for example, a close senate race with al franken in minnesota and an automatic recount that took time and went into law or the florida example from 2000 that many remember. the scenario that we're thinking about here is that it is not close, that, say, hillary clinton wins by several states and donald trump simply won't accept it and perhaps because of his outsider attitude about politics doesn't even understand how unprecedented that would be and how that's a threat to the legitimate transfer of peaceful power in this country. you may have the judges shut the
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doors and say there's nothing to litigate here and the question is, can he, as a matter of his words and deeds, move forward to help the country come together as every major party nominee has done in the past. legally, not close enough. >> if he loses and simply an american, somebody not president, no political office. if we're now talking mid november, if judges say, guess what, it's not too close. i don't want to hear this. what could donald trump do? because taxpayers exhausted by this election, they care. >> he could do little. at that point, if the courts close the door to changing the outcome. the electoral college, which operates and most states have laws that bind the electors and this could be over. he could make noise but then law meets the culture. law is powerful. so is culture. we have a culture of peaceful transfer of power. if he uses his megaphone to try
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to subvert that, the law may give the victory to the other person but we may have months of cultural strife that's not good and we haven't seen before. >> we've seen them talk about the post-election revolution. this could give legs to it. a culture within trump's campaign. wonder how the surrogates feel this morning. after all this debate talk, a story that is going to make you smile. why this touchdown at my high school, my alma mater in new jersey is making my whole home state cheer. fact checking the debate. politifact deputy katie sanders is back. accounting for 6 billion bucks during clinton's state department tenure. >> when you ran the state department, $6 billion was missing. how do you miss $6 billion? you ran the state department. $6 billion was either stolen. they don't know. it's gone. >> katie, is that true? $6 billion is a humongous
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number. >> it is a big number but trump got the facts on this really wrong so we rated this statement pants on fire, our very worst rating. what the state department inspector general said they were mismanaged up to $6 billion and had to clarify after some media wrongly reported the result and said that does not mean the money itself disappeared. certainly, they didn't say it was stolen. it was just the contracts were poorly documented. >> i agree with you. having pants on fire would be the absolute worst. katie sanders from politifact. thank you for joining me. you are watching msnbc. this is the place for politics.
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homecoming game, park ridge's team manager, a senior, matt greg, made his debut on the field as number 11. greg always dreamed of playing with teammates but never could because of his down syndrome. that's why for his last homecoming game, the team decided to stay on the field a little longer and execute a special play for their very own matty ice where he scored his first touchdown and then carried off the field by his teammates. that is a great moment in sportsmanship. the state governor, chris christie might be losing popularity, i couldn't be more proud of my high school and my hometown. that wraps us up for the hour. my partner, craig melvin is like, what are you talking about, stephanie, and today -- >> you left us with a smile. >> they made new jersey proud. >> you left us with a smile. >> thank you. right now, the debates are over. finally. closing arguments have been made. the jury has 19 days to decide.
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but will there be a final verdict come november 8th? the big headline this morning, donald trump refusing to say whether he'll accept the will of the people should he lose. that was just one of the head scratching moments. >> we've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election. >> from everything i see, has no respect for this person. >> that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president. it's pretty clear. >> you're the puppet. >> when it comes to the wall donald talks about building, went to mexico, had a meeting with the mexican president. didn't even raise it. he choked. >> we have some bad ombrés here. >> a number of women have come forward. >> i think they want fame or her campaign did it and i think it's her campaign. >> donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. >> i didn't even apologize to my wife who's sitting right here because i didn't do anything. >> anytime donald

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