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tonight on "all in." >> what i'm saying is i will tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. >> fired up and ready to go. donald trump now offering terms for a conditional concession. >> if i win. >> tonight, the fallout from the final debate, and the latest republican party chaos. then -- >> such a nasty woman. >> as another accuser comes forward, how donald trump's nasty attack played out with voters. >> nobody has more respect for women than i do. nobody. plus, the obama family fans out across america again for hillary. >> this year, we know it's much closer here in this state. that's why i'm here. and donald trump and hillary clinton just minutes from taking the stage together again. we'll go live to the al smith
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dinner when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. we are about an hour away from a pretty remarkable and genuinely unpredictable moment in this campaign. hillary clinton and donald trump set to taking the stage at the al smith charity dinner at the waldorf astoria in manhattan. it's a high-society event, candidates of the past come together to crack self-deprecating jokes, generally offer a reprieve from the acrimony, nastiness of the campaign trail. the candidates are scheduled to speak within the hour. we will bring you their remarks in full when they happen because this year, well, is very different. this time around one of the presidential candidates has transgressed almost every conceivable political norm, been repeatedly accused of sexual assault, vowed to throw his opponent in jail if he wins and just last night would not agree to accept the outcome of the election. this afternoon, trump held a campaign rally in ohio and you're never going to guess his
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take on who won last night's debate. >> seriously, the debate last night was amazing and everybody said i won. including every single online poll and some had it at 90%, close to 90%. >> that one gets a rating of pants on fire. the online polls he mentions are utterly unscientific, basically meaningless click polls. debate watchers, aka, real polls, clinton was viewed as a winner by a double-digit margin. the consensus, this cartoon, an iconic image of muhammad ali. trump, himself, did not appear super thrilled at the end of debate last night as he tore a page out of his note pad. the most memorable and damaging moment for trump who repeatedly claimed the election is rigged came when he said this.
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>> do you make the same commitment that you will, sir, absolutely accept the result of this election? >> i will look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i'll look at it at the time. >> that comment elicited audible gasp from the audience and outpouring of condemnation followed most from trump's fellow republicans. the coverage was harsh. associated press reporting trump was, quote, threatening to upend a basic pillar of democracy. in the spin room, trump's own running mate mike pence and rnc chair reince priebus were reduced to insisting trump didn't mean what he, in fact, said, and would, in fact, accept the results of the election. then today, this. >> ladies and gentlemen, i want to make a major announcement today. i would like to promise and pledge to all of my voters and supporters and to all of the people of the united states,
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that i will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election if i win. >> cheers. rim shot. in miami today, president obama mocked trump and once again noted it is impossible to rig a national election. >> he's already like, oh, the game's rigged, except today he said, of course, it's not rigged if i win. i don't know if donald trump has ever been to an actual polling place where you have democrats and republicans who are in charge of taking the votes. but, you know, he doesn't even worry if what he says is true. this is just about him worried that he's losing. >> trump did make an effort to attempt to soften his rhetoric somewhat after his "if i win" comment in ohio today, trump
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reading off a teleprompter took a couple steps back from the ledge. >> of course, i would accept a clear election result but i would also reserve my right to contest or file a legal challenge in the case of a questionable result. >> that comment went largely unnoticed and did little to reverse the damage. in fact, it's starting to feel a little bit like trump just wants this all to be over. this afternoon in ohio, trump walked away from two separate interviews with local news reporters. >> 19 days out from the election, you've been labeled a racist, you've been called a sexist. how do you respond to that? >> i am the least racist person you've ever met. >> joining me now, msnbc political analyst robert costa, national political reporter of the "washington post," and robert, you've got a piece, i believe, in the paper that talks about the reaction to that moment, particularly, last night, amongst the gop.
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how would you characterize the fallout from that sort of gasp-inducing moment? >> chris, phil and i just filed that story for tomorrow's paper and it's a historic moment for the republican party because what trump did on the debate stage has prompted a lot of republicans in tough senate re-election races in house races across the country to scramble right now to protect their seats, to protect their places in congress as they think to themselves, there's maybe a landslide on the horizon, and they don't want to get swept up. >> what is the thinking there about how they protect themselves? we've been hearing this kind of thinking all throughout and heard it particularly after that -- the tape came out in which trump is sort of boasting of sexually assaulting women. we saw some people un-endorse. i mean, is it basically this same kind of what do i do, i'm caught between a trump base that likes donald trump and a general electorate that doesn't like him very much? >> well, statements today condemning trump's position on the election, questioning the
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legitimacy of the election, you saw that from kelly ayotte in new hampshire, john mccain in arizona, all these battleground states where suburban voters and moderate voters have their ears up for this kind of issue. the party, you're right, remains very intent in how exactly in the last 20 days to handle trump. you didn't see speaker ryan come out and make a statement nor leader mcconnell in the senate. the unease of how to deal with trump in the final days. >> striking, last night, after that moment, it was a moment in the moment as people were watching it, they were watching in the room, they were watching on social media, everyone understood. chris wallace, hillary clinton, everyone who was watching it understood some line had been crossed, right? that you don't have the two most powerful republicans in the country, mitch mcconnell, and paul ryan, saying anything the day after their party's nominee says i would not respect -- i would not necessarily collaborate in the peaceful
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transfer of power. >> well, i think when you talk to people close to mcconnell and ryan, they're reluctant to engage in these kind of discussions at this moment because they believe their members in both chambers are out there fighting their own races. the less said, the better seems to be the strategy coming out of washington. >> and here's another bit of context for paul ryan. who -- this is paul ryan and donald trump. who represents views of the republican party, among republicans, donald trump 51%, paul ryan 33%. paul ryan has seen his favorability plummet among republicans in the past two weeks. if you pick a fight with donald trump among republican voters, donald trump will win. >> and it's not just about the fight right at this moment because if you're mcconnell and ryan, you have to deal with the trump movement, whatever its incarnation is, after the election should trump be defeated. you have a grievance movement that's building within the american right. a movement that's populous, nationalist and not so much
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wrapped up in the cult of personality around trump. it's a movement that's distancing itself from traditional conservatism to movement conservatism. if you have movement conservatism at the heart of your party in these congressional majorities, you want to preserve that as much as possible. that's why you see kind of a mute response from capitol hill. >> yeah, you do wonder is there anything that he can say that would get a harsh rebuke or an un-endorsement from paul ryan at this point? robert costa, thanks for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. joining me now former obama speechwriter who served as speechwriter for hillary clinton, her senate office, campaign trail in her 2008 run for president. well, let's start, i want to talk about the al smith dinner in a second because i don't know if we have that live shot just to let people get a sense of the theatrics around this because it's supposed to be this sort of lighthearted evening, gentle ribbing. i want to get your thoughts on that as someone who's written comedy, who worked on the roast of donald trump, that thanks to you probably gave us this election. first, your response to that moment last night in the debate.
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>> my response? i mean, you know, look, he is a bashless hamburglar, authoritarian mr. potato head. he's such a big baby, such a terrible person. >> okay. is that totally -- i'm going to bend over backwards to be fair here. is that -- are you whipped up in a moment of sort of partisan concern and if i interviewed you four years ago you would have said the same thing about mitt romney. >> that's a great question. first of all, as you know, i am a straight shooter. respected on both sides. but i went back and looked at my mitt romney language, rhetoric, in hindsight, you're exactly right. but, you know, i wonder how much harm it's doing to us as a country to be debating these obvious things. >> right. >> that, these fundamental basic things.
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it's not partisan to criticize donald trump for saying he should accept the results of an election barring a kind of bush versus gore type situation. he certainly didn't mean that. he was talking about not accepting the results. be the way, him saying in whatever speech a day later to clean it up, oh, he only means he's leaving himself options for this or that. he doesn't mean that. we know he doesn't mean that, though, because in 2012 when mitt romney lost in a decisive defeat, he went on twitter and started calling for revolution. the guy is -- >> literally. >> -- not serious. >> i want to be clear, that was not hyperbolic, he literally used the word revolution. >> he wanted a march on washington. sadly no one showed up to follow donald trump. >> this is the thing i find sort of psychologically taxing about this whole thing is the -- the constant revisionist gas lighting. the constant he didn't -- >>ight. >> he sa something, 70 million people see him say something then the people that are his hired flakes, kellyanne conway and company drawing whatever
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paychecks they are working to elect this man to be the most powerful person in the entire world, then look you in the eyes and say he didn't say what you heard him say broadcast live on every single network and cable channel to 70 million people. >> yeah, i mean, it's despicable. these are people that have sold their souls in a terrible way. kellyanne conway, it seems to me, she seems quite smart. it seems like she's trying to have it both ways. she makes her little jokes. it's not funny. this is really serious what he's doing. these people who go on television -- we're learning things -- i've been saying, this election is like a fascist fire drill. we're discovering the exits need to be widened and there's not enough lighting along the hallways. you know, there will be people, terrible people willing to defend anything on television. we have to account for that. it's up to networks to do a better job of deciding who's going to be on television. you know, i sympathize because they're great tv.
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>> right. >> i mean, these nut balls going on television will be like donald trump he's 8 foot tall, shoots lightning out of his -- et cetera. you know, that's great television, i guess, and it's pretty -- people love watching, i guess, these people get beat up. i mean, i watch it. i watch it a lot. >> and that's part of the theme of this whole campaign is the sort of triumph of spectacle. we've all sort of been part of that, myself, included. >> right. >> speaking of triumph and spectacle, if you had advice for hillary clinton, you help write that sort of roasting at the white house correspondents' dinner of donald trump. she's going second tonight, hillary clinton, she could basically take the gloves off. what would be your advice for her tonight? >> i think the key for these things is be self-deprecating, give yourself room. that's what we've done with president obama's speeches. get up there, make a few jokes on yourself, the harder you are on yourself, the honest you are about your flaw, the more liberty, more degrees of freedom you have to rip someone else to pieces. >> you take out the knife, gently nick yourself and go around the entire room stabbing
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everyone in the chest basically you're saying. >> look, if that's the violent metaphor you'd like for a couple of barbs, sure, fine. but, yeah, i'm more fascinated by what trump's going to do. >> i know. >> when he gets up there. what is this guy -- he's not exactly going to -- i don't know. i have one little theory, you saw earlier today that some, you know, some incompetent goon put out a press release that accidentally included the language he wasn't going to use. >> right. right. the alternate. yeah. >> i have this feeling that those are jokes that he stuck in his speech that he took out from his al smith. so i think we may hear those jokes. who are these people? i want to know what good comedy writer is going to help donald trump write a bunch of yuck yucks. guy is out of his mind. i think donald trump could be particularly gross tonight. >> that's fair. jon lovett. appreciate it. less than a day after a contentious debate, both candidates are taking the stage in what's meant to be a lighthearted affair.
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in meantime, donald trump's disastrous appeals to women voters continues its downward spiral. his efforts becoming literally laughable. we'll play that after this two-minute break.
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earlier today yet another woman went public with a story of unwanted physical contact we donald trump. carina virginia, that is the tenth woman to come forward since last debate, says trump humiliated and groped her in 1998 after a u.s. open tennis match. trump was asked about her today during a local news interview in ohio. >> another woman came out today about the u.s. open saying you groped her today. can you answer allegations about that? >> i know nothing about that. >> not the u.s. open allegations? >> trump was asked about the growing number of allegations against him at last night's third and final debate. this was how he defended himself. note the audience reaction. >> mr. trump -- >> nobody has more respect for women than i do. nobody. nobody has more respect --
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>> please, everybody. >> according to gop pollster frank luntz who holds debate focus groups with voters registering the reactions in realtime with those dials which lord knows if they mean anything, let's pretend they do for a moment. that line was trump's worst of the whole evening. everyone dialed it down, even his own supporters. minutes later trump reminded us all just how much he respects women especially the one who could be the first woman elected president. came during an exchange on clinton's plan to pay for social security by raising taxes on the wealthy. >> my social security payroll contribution will go up as will donald's assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. but what we want to do -- >> such a nasty woman. >> such a nasty woman. that almost certainly would have been the big headline of the night had trump not followed it by knocking down a pillar of american democracy. by a marcher of 13, debate watchers close hillary clinton as the clear winner according to an instant poll from cnn/urc. ugov poll showed similar results by a margin of ten points.
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men and women agreed only clinton's victory, men giving her the win by a margin of five points compared to 16 points among women. clinton doesn't have trump's performance to thank. he skillfully had his feet to the fire over his conduct toward women and offered one of the strongest arguments to reproductive rights we've seen on a national debate stage. >> i don't think the united states government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions. >> you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month, on the final day, and that's not acceptable. >> well, that is not what happens in these cases, and using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. you should meet with some of the women that i've met with. women i've known over the course of my life. i've been to countries where governments either forced women to have abortions, like they used to do in china, or forced women to bear children like they used to do in romania, and i can
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tell you the government has no business in the decisions that women make with their families in accordance with their faith, with medical advice, and i will stand up for that right. >> i'm joined by erin ryan, senior editor for the daily beast where she's been writing on all of this. that moment struck me as a really amazing moment. partly because it was such a comprehensive defense of abortion rights as opposed to safe, legal and rare. it was no business in the decision whatsoever. >> right. it was actually -- it was nice -- it was a relief as somebody who cares about reproductive rights after two debates that we didn't hear anything, wallace got that out there right away. it was a great answer. especially if you're a proponent of pro-choice issues. it was also a great answer if you're a pro-life person because she really laid it out. she did not make any illusions about what she believes. >> that's right. it's clarifying. >> right. >> also, you know, there's been this dynamic i think that's happened, it's been particularly true in the second and third debate more than the first in
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which it was sort of unanimously a wipeout, right, emulated, i've seen a lot of men afterwards be like, oh, sort of even then women be like it was not even at all. like, he was terrible and she was great. >> right. well, it's sort of analogous to remember in the second debate when donald trump and hillary turned out to have, like, almost exactly the same amount of time speaking? donald trump was like, unfair, i have less time to talk than she does. i think that -- not to paint people with too broad a brush, but i think men are accustom to getting more so when things are even, you tend to perceive it as being unfair. and maybe this is an unfair thing for me to say. that's been my experience and sort of something, studies that have been conducted about how much women talk versus how much men talk. >> right. >> men think women talk a lot more than they actually do. i think last night's debate especially, you know, on issues that really matter to women, it was a landslide. >> right. yes. and she was also clearly focused on that. i thought his exchange on -- we have -- you were at the press
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conference, i understand it, the new woman who's come forward with an allegation which sounds very much in line with the other ones. >> yeah. >> what did you think -- i mean, to me, it seemed like he just had no real answer in that pnt of the debate. >> well, he sort of spoke as though just because he says something, everyone will just assume it's true. and i think that's kind in line with people he's surrounded himself with. he's a person who surrounded himself with people who agree with him, throughout his career, and so now, you know, and so if you would have said anything in front of those people, they would have been like, yes, donald, that is true because you said it's true, it must be so. so, now he's in front of a country that -- >> skeptical of him. >> that isn't necessarily totally in favor of what he's saying. he can't just come out and say these have been debunked. how, donald? how have they been debunked? who debunked them? >> even something as untrue, i don't know these women. one of them was on "the apprentice." maybe she's not telling the truth but you do know her. >> you might not be facebook friends. >> right. >> you definitely know this
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person. >> we saw you on tv together. >> right. >> how much, the moment of the nasty woman comment. >> yeah. >> a bunch of -- i saw a bunch of people immediately react like did he really just say that? how did that moment strike you at the time? >> i mean, i am empty inside after this election. so my reaction to that was, like, oh, yes, he did it. he did it. he did it. >> he said the thing that he's been thinking. >> right. >> you know, i wrote something about this last week, where i think the one silver lining of trump's candidacy is that if anybody questions the existence of sexism, now we have it, hey, here it is. it's donald trump. people like this exist. this is a sexist person. behaving in a sexist manner. this is a man who in the middle -- he cannot help himself but interrupt his female competitor in a debate. he can't help himself but to interject and insult her. >> and to belittle -- the thing i keep finding, he really likes belittling her with, like, saying, like, bernie sanders said this mean thing about you and john podesta said this mean thing -- >> he said that about michelle
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obama. >> it's this egging as you call -- it is a real -- it's one of the things i find most unnerving about watching these debates are just little -- these little kind of passive aggressive barbs. >> it reminded me of being in seventh grade, how, like, the alpha female awful girl would try to undermine the -- but hillary clinton's not a seventh grader. >> no. >> she's been in public service for several decades. and that kind of thing does not work on someone of her stature. >> clearly. erin gloria ryan, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. we're still awaiting the candidates' speeches coming up. first how donald trump's debate meltdowns were no accident but carefully provoked and carefully laid traps set by hillary clinton. i'll explain just ahead.
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if 63 people in each precinct would have gone the other way, barack would have won arizona and this year we know it's much closer here in this state. that's why i'm here. >> first lady michelle obama on the trail today in the unlikely battleground of arizona. since harry truman won in 1948, arizona has gone blue one other time for bill clinton and his sizable victory in 1996. with hillary clinton currently beating donald trump if you can believe it in the polling average in the state, her campaign is now making a push adding $2 million in ad spending and sending high-profile surrogates all this week. today michelle obama made personal case against clinton's opponent. >> maybe it's easy for him to mock people with disabilities because he's unable to see their strength and their contributions, maybe that's why he demeans and humiliates women as if we're objects meant solely for pleasure and entertainment,
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rather than human beings worthy of love and respect. he just doesn't understand us. maybe that's why he calls communities like the one where i was raised hell. because he can't see all of the decent, hardworking folks like my parents who took those extra shifts, paid their bills on time, folks who are raising amazing families, sending kids to college. maybe -- maybe he doesn't believe people like us really exist. because he does not see our shared humanity. >> after the break, clinton's strategy over three debates, how
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it's widened the gap and put states like arizona in play.
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from everything i see has no respect for this person. >> well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president. >> no puppet. you're the puppet. >> it's pretty clear you won't admit -- >> you, you're the puppet. >> you're the puppet. you are. last night it was easy to see hillary clinton had gotten under donald trump's skin. it was by design.
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clinton has carefully prepared, successfully honed her debate strategy for weeks. ezra klein points out the campaign sprung trap after trap to take advantage of them. week before the debate, "the new york times" reported team clinton was working with tony schwartz to come up with ways to needle and undermine trump. also sought advice from psychology experts to create a personality profile of mr. trump to gauge how he may respond to attacks and deal with a woman as a sole adversary on the debate stage. cataloging strengths and weaknesses as well as trigger points that caused him to lash out in less than presidential ways. that strategy paid off. just minutes before the end of the first presidential debate, when hillary clinton triggered a week-long meltdown in trump world by bringing up former miss universe. >> one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. he loves beauty contests. supporting them and hanging around them.
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and he called this woman miss piggy. then he called her miss housekeeping because she was latina. donald, she has a name. >> where did you find this? >> alicia machado. >> where did you find this? >> she has become a u.s. citizen. you can bet -- >> oh, really? >> -- she's going to vote this november. >> okay, good. >> joining me ezra klein, latest piece called "hillary clinton's three debate performances left trump campaign in ruins." jason johnson, political editors for the root, professor of politics and communication at morgan state university. ezra, you've been writing about this in a way that i have found really illuminating because there is just this ubiquitous sense in pundit world that hillary clinton is not a good politician, that she's sort of winning by default, that if for it were any other candidate, she would be in trouble. and i think you've made this very good case that actually she's pretty darn good at what she does and the debates showcase that. >> yeah, it's surprising what we
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think, the first woman to do something that's nobody's been able to do before that we assume that she's just doing it through luck as opposed to this was really hard and it took a very unusual set of skills. look, donald trump is in many ways a very weak candidate. he is very vulnerable. he is in his own ways fairly maniacal. over a 16 person republican field in debate after debate after debate. a republican field that people broadly felt the conventional wisdom held was the strongest really in history. by the way, at the end, it's true, one-on-one debates are different than big debates. by the end, it was kasich, cruz and trump and trump did not collapse there. what clinton has done if three debates is concoct and execute really very consistently, very ruthlessly, a strategy to drive trump crazy. every single time she begins by needling him, gets him by the 30-minute mark to totally lose his presidential calm demeanor. he begins getting angrier and angrier. she begins springing trap after trap. by the end in every single debate, you have something coming in the last half hour
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like you're such a nasty woman or the alicia machado moment that becomes story for days or trump saying he's not going to potentially honor the results of the election. she's baited trump into destroying himself on national television. it was done strategically. it didn't happen in the republican primary. she deserves credit for it. >> yeah, the point, jason, the point ezra made, too, there's a point, oh, this persona around hillary clinton, she's a grinder, she, like, is over-prepared, she spends too much time and it's like, she had that moment in the first debate, like, yeah, i did prepare. >> right. >> you saw that last night, the moment i thought was her best moment aside from the abortion answer, he says -- talking about the rigged. she laid out every time it goes his wrong way, it's rigged. that was the product of preparation. >> including the emmy comment. i have said all along she's played donald trump, like "home alone" or warner brother cartoon, he falls in every single trap, his hair's on fire, he falls out the window. you can't do that by accident. this is something i think has
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fit hillary clinton. there's a lot of things you can say about her in the negative. she was patient. patient with bill clinton, patient when she ran for office, she was patient -- she knew this -- you can't knock out donald trump in one fight. she had to do this three steps and i think she's done an excellent job. >> yeah, ezra, there's also -- obviously there's sort of this inescapable gendered frame to the whole thing, right, you've written about this and matt and other people about the archetype of a woman getting steam rolled by a blustery dude in a meeting who doesn't know what he's talking about but she does. she does. and it has felt that way numerous times in these debates >> she has used very much her gender to her advantage. one thing, too, about donald trump, he does not like being challenged by women. that is part of why -- the person in republican field he had the most trouble dealing with with carly fiorina. here with clinton he has from the very beginning very clearly not enjoyed being challenged by a woman on national television in this way, but then on the other side, you're absolutely right, there are a lot of coded gender traits that get attached to her often negatively, she's
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cautious, over-prepared, that she's too mannered in her speaking, that she's not authentic enough. there's all the stuff about that she doesn't have that raw authentic charisma of someone like a trump or even if you back to the democratic primary of beau biden. she came out and used that to her advantage, someone who had the complete authenticity, used her own preparation, care with what she was saying to present a tremendous contrast to the american people between someone you can imagine in the very dangerous, very high-risk job of the presidency where you don't want to make mistakes or fly off the handing versus trump who might be a lot of fun to watch on reality television but you don't want him being president. >> she embodied what we see michelle obama always saying. like when michelle obama, when the first lady gave the speech last week, she's like, look, the feeling you get when men look at you. you know, hillary clinton is the woman that women want to be when they're in the office and in that environment when they want to scream. she's been doing this her entire career. something else i think is interesting, she's had this
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whole thing. the white coloring of her clothing is brilliant. there's history. you look back at how suffragists dressed. she has a knowledge of history in a way. she hasn't had to say i'm going to be the first woman president. she did that in 2008. she's like i'm going to be the most competent president you've seen in the last 45 years and i'm a woman to boot. >> we ended up with a woman who's poised to break the biggest gender barrier in american politics about sort of presidential, looking presidential and she, the one thing she unambiguously trouncing her opponent is precisely on that. ezra klein, jason johnson, thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks. >> thank you. all right. we're continuing to honor the al smith dinner under way. i have a knot in my stomach about this thing as it approaches. once the presidential candidates take the stage to gently mock each other, we'll bring it to you live. like, ha ha, she should be in jail. should be quite an event. stick around. first, tonight's one thing, one two, starts right after this break.
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thing one tonight, there were rumblings this might be coming. trump tv. a way for the candidate if and when he's defeated or maybe even
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if he became the president to monetize his post-candidacy life. it was just a few days ago "the new york times" reported that donald j. trump's son-in-law has discussed the possibility of a trump-branded television network with a friend who's helped guide such deals. last night when i asked mark cuban about whether he was concerned about what happens after the election considering all of trump's talk about a rigged election, cuban put it this way. >> to me, it's interesting that a lot of the attacks that he's been taking, you know, rigged elections, everybody working against him, that's breitbart's marketing plan. i'm a big believer that steve bannon is a lot smarter than donald trump and he's really driving this. i think steve bannon's gotten the point where he thinks there's a high probability that donald will not win. so he's playing this whole thing out to the benefit of breitbart news. i'm telling you when you listen to donald talk in his speeches, it's almost all far more beneficial for breitbart. >> the discussion was clear, trump is paving the way for the trump tv audience.
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>> post-debate -- he is -- >> tell me about this every time. >> every day. every day. >> senior advisers -- >> trump tv is here. in 60 seconds.
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the trump campaign called it a facebook live -- started 30 minutes before debate, complete with fox-ish graphic. basically the birth of trump tv. the guests where other trump campaign surrogates like jan brewer. since it was facebook live, you can give it a thumbs up or heart or smile. they even took commercial breaks. in turn tv land the commercial breaks were comprised imarily of things like ivanka trump asking for campaign donations. the post-debate show really threw off the shackles of the mainstream media.
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>> donald trump's post-debate coverage. this is legit coverage. this is the legit coverage. the kellyanne conway. >> not too close to the mouth. >> i got to excited. we have kellyanne with us. here we are. let me tell you, the mood in the room from having walked around a little bit is a bit shell shocked. >> the trump campaign claimed nearly 9 million video views of the facebook live event. like any fledgling tv show -- "the new york times" saying the facebook live broadcast, "was like state television produced by qvc."
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before the dinner started, donald went up to hillary and asked her how she was doing. and she replied, i'm fine, now get out of the ladies' dressing room.
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and donald, even though there's a man sitting next to you in a robe, you're not in the locker room. >> that was al smith iv moments ago kicking off the roasting ahead of tonight's main event. any minute hillary clinton and donald trump will deliver their own barbs on stage at the waldorf astoria in manhattan. the alford e. smith dinner is an annual event going back 70 years where traditional candidates traditionally appear every four years during the presidential cycle. the dinner is in honor of the former new york governor first catholic nominee for president and intended to be an easy-going, lighthearted affair. the two people front and center tonight, they didn't even shake hands at last night's debate. for trump who was seen gritting his teeth following the debate, down in most polls according to "the new york times" will be seated on the dais with eric schneiderman, new york attorney general, whose office currently has an investigation into mr. trump's foundation, it doesn't sound likely trump will be in
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the mood for dinner that's taken on the air of a roast. >> i was actually hoping the president would bring joe biden along this evening because he'll laugh at anything. >> of course, the economy's on everybody's minds. unemployment rate is at its lowest level since i took office. i don't have a joke here. i just thought it'd be useful to remind everybody that the unemployment rate is the lowest it's been since i took office. >> tonight's dinner, presided over by cardinal timothy dolan, archbishop of new york, seated between hillary and trump. that's the way these things always work. when we come back, we'll preview what promises to be quite a night.
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can't shake that feeling that some people here are pulling for me.
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i'm delighted to see you here tonight, hillary. >> it is an honor to be here with al smith. i obviously never knew your great-grandfather, but from everything that senator mccain has told me, the two of them had a great time together before prohibition, so -- >> joining me now, joan walsh, charlie sykes conservative talk show host and msnbc contributor. joan, i guess i'll start with you. i've been thinking about this. i've been thinking about this too much, but here's my current thinking. i think i've always disliked this tradition because it felt to me fake and it felt this weird clubbiness and it felt to me like everyone was acknowledging that they were like the old cartoon with the sheepdog and the dog and punch in and we're all part of the same team, we're all like elites in tails. >> right. >> i still feel that way, but also the rancor of this election is making us see some value in
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us being like we don't actually want to put each other in jail, for instance. what's your feeling? >> but unfortunately, we do -- he does. >> set against the backdrop of that. >> so surreal in so many ways. these two candidates are so inappropriate for this setting. here you have this thrice-married libertine who brags about his affairs and talks about grabbing women by their private parts, then she's there after having made a really strong statement on abortion last night. you remember that her husband was not invited to this dinner. he didn't come. mondale had debate prep, because he was afraid of the abortion politics. >> and kerry didn't go. >> jimmy carter got booed in 1980. >> that's a great point. i hadn't even thought of that. she gave probably the most comprehensive full-throated defense of abortion rights you ever heard. >> on a presidential stage. >> sitting next to timothy dolan, but he can't feel much better about the guy on the
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other side either having listened to his locker room talk. >> what is your feeling about how they play this. i think particularly from trump's side, like does he have -- i guess you can hire a good joke writer to make you self-deprecating even if it's not in your natural nature. >> yes. self-deprecating humor and graciousness are obviously not in donald trump's skill set. i'm watching the picture of this. archbishop dolan, cardinal dolan used to be archbishop of milwaukee. i'm trying to figure out what's going through his mind to the left of him, to the right of him, he's a savvy guy. he knows what is in the wikileaks e-mails about the catholic church. he has no illusions about donald trump's character. it will be fascinating to see how they play this out. but there's something just tone wrong of a dinner like this where they all try to pretend that what is happening right now, what happened last night
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didn't happen, and the only thing i can say is i hope they're funny, i hope they have good joke writers, i hope they raise a lot of money for catholic charities, but it is going to be awkward. >> yes, it is already awkward. >> very awkward. >> there's two things that happened in the last two debates, these big sort of transgrigs gregss. a ton of them, one would be you'd be in jail. one thing that happened. last night was the, i'll keep you in suspense about whether i'll accept the election results. those are two things that put stakes in the ground that say we're not just adversaries that are having a spirited debate, we're enemies in some deep existential space. >> we're enemies and i'll not let you win in some fundamental way. whatever happens in the election, she wins by a landslide, there will be a constant attempt to undermine her if not impeach her. >> he said last night she shouldn't have been able to run. she should have been disqualified for running for the president of the united states.
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>> that's his decision to make. >> charlie -- yeah, go ahead. >> i actually was speaking to a rather prominent catholic conservative today who was going to go to the event and decided at the last minute for pretty much the same reasons that you just articulated, that it just seemed wrong. that you go through the motions to normalize donald trump, to sit there and watch this charade. and this person who had a chance to be at this dinner said, you know what? this year i'm just not going to go. nobody will probably notice, but it's my own personal little boycott. >> that is a great point. we keep using this word, and it's gotten so used, normalized, as charlie said, it's gotten used so much it got stretched semanticcally. >> but this is an abnormal figure in american politics who has marched through all the normal institutions we have and in some ways that can't help but be normalizing.
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>> right. >> like he won a major party's nomination. what are you going to do, say, no debates or he's not invited? the institutions exist for the slot of the person who wins the major party. >> and he got the slot. >> he got the slot. >> as someone who -- i'm happy that she's there. i'm happy that the church has opened up that little bit. so if i say that, she can sit there even though she's pro choice, then i can't really say he shouldn't have been invited. >> yeah, that's right. but that's exactly the line that we're all dealing with, charlie, i think, in this campaign. to me it's clear that there's something distinct, novel and unique about what trump represents but that's sort of in the eye of the beholder. >> that's the mistake that the republicans made. i think it's the mistake the media has made. it's a mistake the establishment has made, which is try to wishful thinking to make donald trump normal. i'm really fascinated to see what cardinal dolan does. he's a decent human being but
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he's a guy that has a back bone of steel. it's hard to imagine sitting between those two and not addressing the elephant in the room. not addressing the issues of character. not addressing the issues is of values. i'll be interested to know how he does it. he may do it with a smile but cardinal dolan is a tough guy. >> that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> live coverage indeed. thank you, my friends. thanks to you at home for sticking with us for the next hour. we'll be live with the al smith dinner in just a second for the remarks by donald trump and hillary clinton or hillary clinton and donald trump. we don't even know which one goes first. first woman nominated by a major party for president, hillary clinton. 2016, democratic party. first african-american nominated by a major party for president, barack obama, 2008, democratic party. first jewish person nominated by a major part for vice president,
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joe lieberman, 2004, democratic party. first -- excuse me, 2000, democratic party. first woman nominated by a major party for vice president was geraldine ferraro, 1984, the democratic party. if you're noticing a trend here, you're right. because it was also democratic party in 1928 that made the first nomination of a catholic for president in this country. and that was new york governor al smith. among the many glass ceilings that the democratic party has broken in presidential and vice presidential politics, he was the first major catholic to be a major presidential nominee. and he got shellacked. hubert hoover beat him in 40 states. that was at a time when we only had 48 states. poor al smith. but he is still remembered and honored among new york catholics, most notably with this dinner they hold every year which is an election year turns out to always be lousy with politicians.

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