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m doing all i can to help prevent another one. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps in helping prevent another stroke. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. this sunday, the end game. does donald trump go scorched earth -- >> all of these this sunday, the end game. does donald trump go scorched earth? >> all of these lies will be sued after the election is over. >> or does he try to win or simply end his campaign with dignity? >> i'm asking the american people to rise above the noise and the clutter of our broken politics. >> our guests this morning, tim kaine and trump campaign manager kellyanne conway. plus, going big -- >> i have now spent 4 1/2 hours on stage with donald proving
once again that i have the stamina to be president and commander in chief. [ laughter ] >> does hillary clinton try to run up the score to shut down any talk of a rigged election? clinton hopes to turn a white house win into a big night for democrats down the ballot. >> she's running against someone who refuses to stand up to donald trump. >> joining me for insight and analysis are tom friedman, of "the new york times," eliana johnson of the national review, republican strategist stewart stevens and yamiche alcindor of the associated press. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. it's too early to declare this election over. remember tom brokaw's theory. there's no question the election is trending in hillary clinton's direction. what's in store for the next two
and a half weeks? does hillary clinton play it safe and try to lock down the 270 electoral votes or go for the big win, a landslide? did she try to quell the talk of a rigged election by pushing hard into utah, georgia and arizona, sensing an opportunity for the biggest electoral victory since the last time a clinton was on the ballot? what about donald trump? his tone, if not his words, has been noticeably more reserved in the last two days. trump is seeing the same polls we are. does he try to win or lose with grace? does he try to save down ballot republicans or does he even care? >> if i lose -- if i lose -- >> donald trump is delivering his closing argument, outlining plans for his first 100 days in office. while acknowledging, he may never make it to the white house. >> you know, these guys have said, doesn't matter if you win or lose, there's never been a movement like this in the history of this country. i say it matters to me whether we win or lose. >> with the senate and now even the house in the balance, republicans are bracing
themselves for the scorched earth campaign trump may run over the next 16 days. scrambling to protect vulnerable seats in any way they can. >> i will keep you in suspense. >> trump's threat that he may not accept the election results sent the party into a tailspin. republicans rushed to condemn trump. >> i don't believe in -- that there's a rigged election system. >> senator john mccain said in a statement, in every previous election, the loser congratulates the winner and calls them, my president. that's not just the republican way or the democratic way. it's the american way. in a new nbc news surveymonkey poll shows that 45% of republicans may not accept the results of the election if trump loses. >> the integrity of the electoral process is at risk. >> i think it's already rigged to be perfectly honest. >> red states from arizona to georgia, even utah are now in play. the rnc is focusing trump where he can do the least harm,
pushing him to schedule campaign appearances in traditional battleground states with competitive senate races, even if trump himself may not win that state. because getting out trump voters still matters. >> we are going to win the state of wisconsin. >> the debate about trump's actions is now the main issue in competitive races across the country. >> pat toomey and donald trump, they're just wrong for the women of pennsylvania. >> kelly ayotte stood by him. >> he took a post as a top adviser to donald trump. >> and on saturday, an 11th woman came forward to accuse trump of sexual misconduct. >> the events never happened, never. all of these liars will be sued after the election is over. >> republicans in tough races are trying everything from complete disavowing. >> no matter who the next president is, new hampshire needs a strong voice in the u.s. senate. that senator kelly ayotte. >> one hillary in washington would be bad enough.
reject jason kander. >> to half hearted acceptance. >> a nominee is a change agent. i'm a change agent. >> somewhere in between. >> i am still in the same mode i was monday night, which is feeling stuck. >> joining me now is the democratic vice presidential nominee tim kaine. welcome back to "meet the press." >> chuck, good to be with you. >> let me start with whether you believe this race is over. your running mate, secretary clinton said yesterday, she's done responding to donald trump on anything. and then added, as we're traveling in these last 17 days, we're emphasizing electioning democrats down the ballot. do you believe that the election is in the bag already? >> neither hillary or i believe it's in the bag. if you look at our schedule, you know we are not taking anything for granted. it's been a season of surprises. we like what we see now. we like the early voting activity and the absentee ballot requests coming in in other states. we are not taking anything for granted.
we're going to hammer to do everything we can before the polls close on november 8. >> i want to go to the hacked e-mails of wikileaks. i know you have a blanket statement here. you don't want to respond because you don't believe that they have been confirmed. there's been out of 25,000 some e-mails, i think there's been a dispute about two or three. why shouldn't the public look at these wikileaks e-mails and have it be something that informs them about secretary clinton? >> well, you know, chuck, again, these e connected to a russian government propaganda effort to destabilize the election, to affect the outcome of the election. >> is that -- but does that change what's in the e-mails? >> the motive for them is very, very important for americans to understand. because this is near historic. and then the one that has referred to me was flat out completely incorrect. so i don't know whether it was doctored or whether the person
sending it didn't know what they were talking about. clearly, i think there's a capacity for much of the information in them to be wrong. >> as you know, i want to bring up a story from earlier this week. wikileaks poisons hillary's relationship with the left. we were kind of suspicious of where hillary's instincts were. now we see she is who we thought she was. said one influential democratic operaty. the honeymoon is going to be tight and small and maybe non-existent. is it fair for the progressives to look at the e-mails and have some doubts about secretary clinton's electionneering switch switches? >> i don't think so. i think folks should look at this as a historic election if we're able to win, it will be america moving one step closer to our quality ideal, making history, which is what we do when we do our best work. that should be a cause for excitement. but look, we're all going to have to come together, democrats, republicans, independents, because the nation has serious challenges that we're going to have to tackle
together. i was with hillary in two great rallies yesterday. she laid it on in terms of her own views. but at the end of the day, if i am president, i have to be president for everybody and we gotta reach out to everybody to craft an agenda that will work in all parts of this country. >> it's interesting you bring that up. i heard her say that. she's also described half of donald trump's supporters as deplorable. she's also criticizing, for instance, pat toomey for supporting donald trump. does that mean you are not -- she wants to pledge to be president of all the people, but are you going to be able to work with republicans who supported donald trump? or when you campaign against republicans who support donald trump, does that mean you don't want to work with them once they come to washington? >> i think the best evidence of that, chuck, is of our track records. hillary had a super track record as a senator working on the armed services and other committees working across the aisle and also that record as
first lady. i'm struck as a senator from virginia how many of my republican colleagues talk up their respect for hillary and that is the way she will approach governing, and of course, we stand with our teams this the election season, and that is not a surprise to anybody, but after the election, the public expects to us reach across the isaisle, and that is what i have done and hillary has also. >> this one was allegedly from ron klane. he says this -- why shouldn't her new position on tpp from the campaign be referred to as a flip-flop? why isn't it a standard definition of flip-flop? >> well, look, i mean i will use my own example. i voted to give the president the fast track ability to negotiate the best trade deal possible.
but at the time i cast that vote in 2015, i said, look, i have a couple of concerns and you've got to address these concerns because i'm not guaranteeing i will vote for it on the merits. the concerns weren't addressed. my concerns were around enforcement issues. hillary had the same view that there were a number of things in it she liked but other things she didn't. and as was the case when she was a senator, remember, hillary voted for some trade deals and she voted against others. if they didn't meet her standard of raising the number of jobs, raising wages and focusing on the enforcement and national security angles, she would vote against them. her conclusion about the tpp, which is required to be voted on up or down, no amendments, is it falls short of the standards. >> was it a requirement you come out against tpp? >> no. >> it wasn't at all? you didn't come out as forcefully until after you joined the ticket. >> well, it was because, look, we're still months away from a vote. i will tell you where i was.
i was in the middle of meeting with various groups about the final product. but i had put on the record in 2015 deep concerns that i had, especially about the enforcement provisions. those concerns were not addressed. and you know, i tell you, trade deals if they're good enough can be okay. but if you embrace a trade deal that's bad, you deepen people's skepticism about trade in general and it's better to wait and try to find deals that meet your standards and not embrace deals that are substandard. >> after the election, president obama will travel overseas, probably talking up the idea of tpp and an asian trade agreement. if you guys are elected, will you pursue an asian trade agreement, even if it's not the tpp? >> hillary and i haven't talked about that question directly. we aren't against trade. we want to find export markets for american businesses because they will be able to add workers
the more they export. that's very important. and whether it's in asia or europe, if we can find deals that meet those goals, more jobs, higher wages and good for national security and good enforcement provisions, we're open to them. so, no, you never close the door. if you can get a deal that's good for american workers and our economy. >> she could pursue a version of tpp? >> we haven't talked about that in particular. we are not sure what the process is going to be for whether the republican senate and house are going to bring tpp up for a vote. we don't know what mitch mcconnell and paul ryan are going to be. if i'm in the senate, i'm going to vote against it. so we have to wait and see what they do. but again, hillary has laid out the standard. a deal has to meet three pillars. if it doesn't, we can't support it. tpp doesn't. >> if you were elected would it
be appropriate or inappropriate for you vice president elect to serve in the lame duck senate? >> well, it is common to serve at least during part of it. one of the issues that would be practical and again, we are not getting ahead of ourselves or a assuming tt the i will win, but if i do, then the governor of virginia his to make a decision about who to appoint to replace me, and that decision not necessarily automatic, and so rather than leave a gap where virginia would only have one senator, i would want to serve until there sis a replacement t be named. >> i'm curious if as a catholic you were offended by one of the wikileaks that came out. it was an e-mail exchange that included the campaign spokesperson. one person wrote that -- referring to rupert murdoch, that they are both catholic, they are attracted to the faith because of the, quote, systemic thought and severely backward gender relations. jennifer reportedly weighs in. i imagine they think it's the most socially acceptable
politically conservative religion. their rich friends wouldn't understand if they became evangelicals. did that bother you? as a catholic, senator? >> first, i don't know whether those folks wrote those e-mails or not. i can't comment on the -- >> a lot of catholic americans have heard that. and some of them are offended by it. what do you say to them? >> here is what i say to them. hillary clinton's feeling about faith and about catholicism in particular is most demonstrated by the fact that she asked me to be her running mate. she described one of the reasons that she felt a connection with me was because of my own faith background, my missionary service in honduras and my jesuit education which she felt was a close match for her methodist upbringing. that's the most direct evidence of about what hillary thinks about catholics. >> one final question here. last week i asked vice-president biden why the obama
administration wasn't implementing a no-fly zone over aleppo. i know secretary clinton endorsed the idea of a no-fly zone over syria. here is what the vice-president said to me. i want to ask you about it on the other side. >> the first things first. we must defeat isil. dod has told us in the beginning that the assets we need to be able to do that would have to be diverted. we could not do both. >> the obama administration says both can't be done. secretary clinton believes they can. why do you think the oma administration is wrong? >> well, look, i'm a strong supporter of the president. strong supporter of the president. but since february of 2014, i have suggested that the united states and other nations should help implement the u.n. security council resolution passed during that month to allow for the cross border delivery of humanitarian aid into safe spaces in northern syria. i don't think it would be easy or automatic. in that sense, i agree with vice-president biden.
but back then, i felt like if we didn't do it, we would see what we have in fact seen, which is a mass exodus of refugees from syria that are dangerous to the refugees themselves and destabilize other countries. my concern is if we don't do that, we will continue to see an exodus that will continue to cause security challenges. >> quickly i meant to ask you this. there's a report over the weekend, at&t will buy time warner. democrats, including al franken are skeptical of the merger, including donald trump as well. al franken said, i'm skeptical of huge media mergers because they can lead to higher costs, fewer choices and worse service for consumers. are you a skeptic of this merger as well? >> i share those concerns and questions. we've got to get to the bottom of them, generally, pro competition and and less concentration i think is generally helpful, especially in the media. but this has just been announced. i haven't had a chance to dig into the details. those are the kinds of questions we need to be asking. >> senator tim kaine, the democratic nominee for
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welcome back. out this morning is a new abc tracking poll. it has tough news for donald trump. the poll has hillary clinton up by double digits nationally, 12 points, 50 to 38, a four-way race. this is according to them likely voters. last week they had clinton up by four. joining me is the campaign manager for donald trump, kellyanne conway. welcome back to the show. >> hi, chuck. >> let me ask you about all of these national polls that have come out. most of them have shown a large lead for secretary clinton. there are a couple that have different methodology that have shown a tighter race. where do you see this race right now? do you acknowledge that you are behind? >> we are behind. she has some advantages like $66 million in ad buys in the month of september. doubling her ad buys from august. most of those are negative against donald trump, classic politics of personal destruction. and she has tremendous advantages.
her husband is campaigning for her, the current president and first lady, more popular than she can hope to be. but she's seen as the incumbent. our advantage, we are behind in some of the swing states, our advantage is that donald trump is just going to continue to take the case directly to the people. he doesn't expect to cut through the noise or the silence and the way we're treated by some. so he has taken the case he will visit swing states as is governor pence. we feel with hillary clinton under 50% in some places, even though she has run a traditional and expensive campaign, that we have a shot of getting the undecided voters that have said, i know who hillary clinton is, i don't want to vote for her, i don't trust or like her. we need to bring them aboard over the next couple of weeks. >> so yesterday then it made a lot of sense that you had a reset speech. donald trump going to gettysburg to try to -- he quoted lincoln at the top, talking about healing divisions. before he got to his first 100 day agenda items, it was as
substantive a speech as he has given in a couple months, he started out talking about threatening to sue all of the accusers that have come out alleging sexual misconduct. is that a way to reset the last 16 days of this campaign? >> it's a way to -- it's a way to defend himself and remind everybody what he has said many times, which is none of this is true. they're fabrications. they're all lies. he dispensed with that in a sentence or two. he talked about the rigged, corrupt system. it did include some in the media. not most. not all. it does include some. we see revelations, 96% of the donations politically went to hillary clinton by working journalists, 96%. there's no argument -- >> there was no political journalists in there. it's a -- i get where you are going. that includes people that cover sports or entertainment. i'm just saying. let's at least give it some nuance here. >> okay. let's give it nuance. we will get it down a couple points from 96%.
there's no nuance in some of the revelations. you have a print reporter from a major outlet saying, i'm now just a hack, john podesta. so here is hillary's campaign manager saying, here is my editorial, and do you like it? is there something that you want to change? when he talks about the rigged, corrupt system, remember, he is standing up for the forgotten man and woman. this is not about him. this is about the people. this is about folks who are white knuckled trying to at the end of each month trying to pay the bills. people feel like they are pressing their nose against the glass of the rigged system and can't get in. he is speaking for them. he has legitimacy. he was once an insider. he said that -- >> i understand that. but he didn't speak about that. he instead focused on himself. he talked about the allegations. he brought it up. this is campaign -- >> it was a small piece of a 42-minute speech. >> he was threatening a lawsuit
to these women and why not sue them now? why wait until after the election? >> we're busy winning the presidency. we're a little bit busy over here doing that. he is just i think putting people on notice that they just -- they can't just falsely accuse him. he has said none of this happened. they're all fabrications and lies. then he went on to give i thought a really muscular, robust, very substantive outline of what he would do. i worked on the first contract with america. this reminded me of that in that there are specific solutions and he says, hold us accountable. there's no accountability in washington. drain the swamp. >> given the various tweets, maybe subtle tweets that you have done this week when people have said, hey, somebody shouted i wish she would focus on message more or boy, bad hombres, that's a trump being trump answer, not a conway answer. you pointed almost with a wink and a nod. then i want to get you to react to something that a trump supporter said to mike pence yesterday. take a listen. >> please tell donald trump to
stick to the issues. he will beat hillary. i'm tired of the crap. >> that voter if you didn't fully hear it. and this is what he said, he told mike pence, tell donald trump to stick to the issues and if he does, he can win. do you wish that he wouldn't have brought up the lawsuit threat yesterday? >> i think donald trump is at his best when he sticks to the issues. he's how he started. it what propelled his candidacy. the issue set benefits the trump-pence ticket. people believe that radical islamic terrorism has not been defeated. they don't like obamacare. they think it's a bad deal. they think everyday affordability is elusive to them. they're concerned about education. all of which in trade and renegotiating the awful trade deals, bringing back manufacturing jobs, that's the issue set, building the wall, securing the border. that propelled donald trump and
when he talks ababout it like he did in gettysburg, he is at his finest. on those tweets, because i have a sense of humor that maybe some are lacking, early in the debate, as does my -- as does any client here, donald trump, so that's all good. we're having a great time here. on the bad hombre, that came early in the debate. i retreated for a simple reason. i was gleeful and a little emotional, which is not my style, on just hearing at last, a republican presidential candidate before tens of millions of people giving the best messaging, the best impassioned defense of life, the sanctity of life that i have heard anyone give. it took a manhattan billionaire who used to be pro choice to do it. he talked about being pro life. he took the case to hillary clinton. you are extreme, abortion, any time, anywhere, it took donald trump to do it. >> let me ask you this final question. the election rigging criticism, voter fraud fears, this and that. donald trump appears to have walked it back a little bit. you walk it back a lot. everybody that works for donald trump has walked it back a lot.
our new nbc surveymonkey poll showed nearly half of trump supporters will believe the election is rigged if he doesn't win. do you accept some responsibility or does the campaign accept some responsibility for that number being so high with so little evidence to prove it? >> no. people already think that entire system is rigged against them. and they are right, meaning the corrupt rigged systems. the elections are part of that to them. they feel like they can't get a fair share. >> but do you believe -- do you believe the elections are rigged in this country? >> i believe -- i don't like a lot of the information that we have been reading, the objective information about all the dead people on the rolls, all the illegal -- >> people die -- let me ask you -- all of that stuff has been debunked. people die -- nearly 2.5 million people die every year that are on the voting rolls. it takes time to get dead people off the rolls. >> it takes our government a lot of time to do most things competently.
that's part of the problem here. he is talking about the entire rigged, corrupt system. but look, when it comes to the elections, i think if you went through every single hypothetical possible with my colleague robby mook or hillary clinton, they would walk back. we will accept the election results, and if it came down to 500 votes in this state or that state, we don't know. of course, we respect the principles of american democracy. if we're so concerned about the principles of american democracy as so many chest beaters were this week, ask hillary clinton why she takes tens of millions of dollars from countries that hate people, that disrespect women, that throw gays off of buildings. that's not respecting our democracy. using the state departme as a concierge for foreign donations is not really respecting the american democracy. >> kellyanne conway, thank you very much for coming on the s w
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welcome back. the panel is here. stewart stevens, first time joining us. myth -- mitt romney's chief political strategist. eliana johnson, welcome to the table for the first time. and tom friedman. all right. we have -- stewart you have been in her role before. interpret what she said when it came to donald trump's 100 day speech. >> look, your job she has is to spin whatever happens. i think going out with those accusations that you are going to sue everybody is the craziest way to begin a substantive speech. it is like a groom showing up at
the rehearsal dinner with a stripper and think ing thing th wedding is going to go okay. was this scripted? does he just do it? i really have no idea. it stops you from being able to deliver a clear message. >> she was trying to say that, yes, he should stay on the issues and the ideas she didn't want to say -- she didn't want to go behind him and say he should not have brought up these women. but that's what happened. in the debate -- you could tell he was kind of sticking to the issues. he was at his best when he was talking about abortion, talking about guns. conservatives like that. then he started saying he might not accept the results of the election. that turned the whole headline into that. when he sticks on his issues, he is at his best. everybody that's working for him is trying to get him to do that. trump is going to do down the way he wants to. >> i laid out this morning the coverage ever his speech yesterday. only "the wall street journal" did the headline as the agenda and subhead as the lawsuits. everybody else was the lawsuits was the headline, the agenda was subhead. that's a problem right there. >> you know, people always ask,
are these things scripted? does he plan it? are his aides in on that? no. when trump acts like trump, he says these unscripted things, he puts the aides in horribly uncomfortable positions to defend him. we just saw kellyanne conway do that. and as stewart just said, that is the position you put yourself in when you work for a guy like him. >> i want to move to tim kaine. you spent a lot of time traveling the world. this tpp issue, nobody has ever truly believed -- if you covered hillary clinton long enough, nobody believed that her switch on this was anythingther than political. did anything tim kaine said convince you otherwise? >> not in the least. if i were an oil company and i had a huge spill on the coast of california, i'm hiring her. i have never seen anybody able to talk her way out of a bad client. the real truth i think chuck, when be look back at this election, it will be the election that both parties blew up. donald trump blew up the republican party.
bernie sanders kind of blew up the democratic party. it was patched over because of the urgency of defeating donald trump who was a greater threat. trade will be a central part of what will see that fracture. it's the first place it will appear. after the election. >> we will see it right away. as you know, right after -- it's the november trip, being a white house correspondent, i hated it. it's the long trip. president obama will be talking up tpp the whole time. immediately, the president and potentially the president-elect -- no matter who wins the presidency -- are going to be at odds over a huge deal around the world. >> i actually think that that's exactly right. because of the crisis in the republican party is garnering all the headlines, the democrats are overlooking the looming crisis in their party because i think the primary between bernie sanders and hillary clinton really showed that hillary clinton is where the head of the democratic party is. but the people really are with bernie sanders, particularly on trade. you saw tim kaine say, well,
we're not for tpp. an asian trade agreement, yeah, probably for that. the democratic party -- their heart is against that. that's going to be a bloody fight. the same is true in the republican party. >> i've been talking to progressives who tell me they are organizing against hillary clinton. as if she were a republican president. they say that we have to push her every step of the way, and they don't trust her. they won't like tim kaine's answer, and i watched him and listened to him, and i don't trust these people, and i don't know what they will do when they get in there. >> tpp represents the single greatest liberal achievement on trade since we have negotiated trade agreements. the first deal that has real labor protection and real environmental protection. that's exactly what obama will be selling the morning after. >> ironically, stu, i have had democrats say this to me, especially in this issue, if you are hillary clinton, secretly you hope paul ryan is still the speaker of the house, you need one republican majority to basically tell progressives, this is as far as i can go.
>> what's extraordinary about this debate on trade is the republican is really to the left of the democrat. he is up there saying bernie sanders is right. he wants 45% tariffs. i don't -- i think it would be good to have someone like paul ryan there who can argue a more conservative viewpoint of why we need this. >> let's go into numbers. i want to get your reaction to this, stuart. >> let's go into numbers. we got early voting numbers here. over 4 million pple have cast their ballot so far. we know the partisan break down of the voters. you can see how the candidates are stacking up to years past. with data provided by a democratic firm called target smart, florida's vote, republicans and democrats are polling about the same, 42-42, 39-40. look at north carolina, republicans accounted for 50% of all absentee vote in 2012. now it's closer.
40 to 35 and it is proof that the democrats have the mechanic advanta advantage. >> all of the modeling of the presidential politics, two equal campaign, and we have never had a situation where the trump campaign doesn't have much of an organization, but it is more of the concert tour. [ laughter ] and what areplications of that? some have argued as trump did in the primary, it doesn't matter. we're going to see the first test of that because say what you will about the clinton campaign, they have designed a very effective machine. with top people. and i think that republicans are greatly disadvantaged in these states because we never went through the presidential campaign of raising money and giving it to the states to build this. we will see how it plays out in the early numbers. >> how much pan do you hear from senate candidates? >> absolutely. i would add one note of caution about the early voting numbers. we don't know how any of these people went into the ballot box
and pulled the lever. this is based on the party somebody is affiliated with. one of the things people have speculated about are democrats going to vote like traditional democrats? union voters towards trump and ra traditional republicans like republican voters? so just a note of caution on that. to stu's point, this is like a political science experiment in whether ground game matters. what you have heard from senate candidates are they have had to build out presidential-type ground games in each and every state. that's tremendously difficult. >> i will wrap this up. we will know on election day if her lead increases from what the national polls say. then it will tell us that ground games do matter. with the beach boys who sang "catch a wave." if the democrats catch a wave, could they sit on top of the senate and house? that's next. first, more from last night's snl. >> so you are just never going to answer a question about your e-mail? >> no. but it was very cute to watch you try.
we are back. data download time. hillary clinton is holding on to a solid lead. so democrats are looking to run up the score down the ballot. their chances to take back the senate look good. what would turn 2016 into an actual wave election that could help democrats get the 30 seats they would need to win a house majority? our pal at the cook political report rated these 19 house districts across the country as pure tossup races. 17 are held by republicans. just two by democrats. if this does become a wave election, democrats would probably win the lion share of those races. throw those in. add in several seats that democrats are likely to win largely because of redistricting that took place in florida and virginia and the democrats could net 21 seats just in those two categories. however, for this truly to be a wave election, democrats are going to have to score upsets in
places republicans normally win. so these are the 12 lean republican races across the country. there are three that i'm going to pay special attention to on election night. kansas city, des moines and indiana's ninth district which includes bloomington. and the suburbs around louisville, kentucky. these are the races to watch and see. these are the races to watch to see if democrats win two of these three or all three of them, then it will tell you a lot about moderate republican turnout. it may have not been there which could, in turn, mean a bad night for the republicans across the board. we did see big waves in 2006 when the democrats took back the house and senate and in 2010 when republicans flipped the house back by a huge margin. despite all this, history may
not be on the democrat's side. the last time the house of representatives changed hands in a presidential election year, 1952. ask yourself, is this an eisenhower wave that's coming? when we come back, we will talk about whether there is a real possibility to rig a general election in the united states. as we go to break, here is another light moment from last night's snl. >> all of the newscasters are making me look so bad. >> how are we doing that? >> by taking all of the things i say and all of the things i do and putting them on tv. strokes could be prevented. and i'm doing all i can to help prevent another one. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps in helping prevent another stroke. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.
rigging stuff, i want to talk about what i just did on the data download, the house. it's a long shot. not since 1952 has the house changed in a presidential election. if it does, who leads the republican party? >> i find myself with two minds when i think of that. one is, you would like to have republicans have skin in the game. both for the reasons you talk about, to discipline the left wing of the democratic party but also that we can't get anything big done without that. but i have another mind. maybe this party just needs to crash and burn. this version of the republican party needs to die so out of the ashes just as a new democratic party came out of the post mcgovern and post dukakis era, that we will get a sane republican party. >> sha going to happen
regardless. >> will there be 75% of the party are trump voters. it's 25% that think the way you think. >> what i think is going to happen is the party is crashing and burning right now. donald trump i think will preach to the converted after the election. but the party is going to have to -- trump supporters i think haven't gotten the attention that they deserve from the party. the party is going to grapple with how to incorporate trump supporters and parts of trumpism on trade and immigration in particular. that needs to happen. i think both parties have neglected the voters. many of them are former democrats. >> what's best for the republican party, total collapse or keep paul ryan there to be the guy that sort of -- >> where the republican party goes is up in the air. it's got to be reality based. i just keep going back to this, 1980, ronald reagan won 44 states with 56% of the white vote. mitt romney got 59% and lost. a lot of these conversations you hear about the republican party are like you are on the interstate, you have 100 miles to go and you only have 45 miles
of gas. the car doesn't care. it's going to stop. republicans have to decide we can reach out to more non-white voters and will elections or not. there's no alternative. >> when i go to these rallies for pence and for donald trump and i talk to people, they don't feel as though the republican party really stuck with them. they feel like the party just doesn't understand the anxiety they are feeling about the economy and also about health care and what they're going to take care of their families. in some ways they sound like people who voted for obama, and i was working on some things and whether or not they voted with obama, and they said that even with him we thought that there would be change and economy would be better, and so 75% of them don't feel like the establishment says they are. >> it's interesting you bring that up. iowa and ohio haven't sort of -- hillary clinton hasn't taken off during this spell. that means, there are obama voters from '12 who they painted
mitt romney as the guy that fired you, those people are with trump, because he is talking the way obama talked about romney. >> there's not an enormous segment but a significant segment of the electorate that feels, when trump talks about a rigged election, that doesn't feel necessarily that the election is going to be rigged but that the system is rigged against them. they haven't gotten the attention from either party that they deserve. i think that's scorned by elites in both parties. i don't think that the debate is over whether or not the republican needs to reach out to minority voters or to these voters, but it's how to do that. immigration reform, the magic bullet? does moderating the party stance on entitlement reform or welfare state, is that more constructive? >> it does seem as if -- i thought one of your -- i thought ross had an -- he said the risk with hillary clinton is the idea of group think about globalization.
this is among the risk. and this is what some skeptical trump people who still may vote for him are thinking about. you know what, maybe she is not go ing to be rethinking how globalism works. >> i would take it one step deeper, if i could. i think we're in the middle of the single greatest technological inflection point. the workplace is being transformed. what bill clinton said in 1992 ju doesn't apply anymore. what did he say at that convention? if you work hard and play by the rules you should be in the middle class. good luck with that. you have to work harder, relearn faster, and rele tool, and reengineer, and you know, you went to college with my daughterer which shows how old i am. and i used to say, when i graduated from college, i got to find a job. my daughters have to invent a job. that's what's new. you may get your first job but you have to reinvent and nobody wants to trust the people with that truth. it's really scary. >> does the clinton campaign get this? >> it's hard to say that they
get this. if you hear them talking about the economy or you hear -- if you hear them talking about giving people opportunities, they still believe that if you go to college or if you do this, it sounds like they are saying, you can -- >> sounds like bill clinton. >> yeah. this is the america you can have. there's this american dream. when you talk to people who have four degrees or master's programs and they can't find jobs or they're living in the basement of their parents' house, those are people who voted for bernie sanders or are solid trump supporters. those people overlap in the life experiences. 45 seconds with our end game segment, including something that hasn't happened since harry truman's first year in office. >> coming up, "meet the press" end game, brought to you by boeing, building the future one century at a time.
at a time. >> back now with end game. despite the talk about hillary clinton wanting to work across the aisle, should paul ryan stay or go, it's clear clinton and obama are looking for a wave. look how much president obama is suddenly appearing in down ballot tv ads. here is a montage. >> terry is running for congress. we need more people like her in washington. vote for brad and the democrats. so we can keep america's promise to our seniors. [ speaking spanish ] charlie needs your vote. please stand with him. i know he will always stand with you. >> this reminds me of mitt romney014. he was popular enough to use in the down ballot ads. barack obama with a 50 to 54% popularity, and suddenly he is
popular in swing state ads. >> it's a huge advantage for any party to have a popular incumbent president. if you are a clinton advance person, it's a sweet spot to be in for the next few weeks. you can call and say, do you want the president, do you want the first lady, do you want bernie sanders, do you want bill clinton? how about joe biden? you can build a rally with those people. they have constituencies. it's really starkly different when you see what's happening with the trump campaign and who he is traveling with. it limits the audience appeal. >> how do the senate candidates handle this that president obama is playing -- he called out marco rubio. this has to make that vice grip tighter. >> republican candidates are constrained not only by democratic strings but by trump's weaknesses. voters want a check on a clinton presidency. republican candidates can't say that. there's a segment trump voters who will vote against them,
threaten to vote against them if they say that. they cannot go out and campaign on essentially conceding the election to hillary clinton. they are running ads on republican senate candidates being a check. they would have to say it forthrightly. they cannot do that. >> nevada senate, tom, the republican nominee, he came out against when trump and the sexual assault language came out, he said -- he said it was personal for him. his wife had been a victim of sexual assault. he couldn't do it. apparently, he hasn't led in a poll since. the trump voters are punishing him. that is a vice grip. >> i think what is scarier is what happens if trump loses after the election? which donald trump -- people say he will start his own media company and be constantly terrorizing the republican party from the right. this will be very interesting. you see a tension between trump ink and trump inc. the united states government association next year i think is holding the women's s. open at a trump golf course. >> will they? >> that's going to get real
interesting. you can see a real tension between trump ink and trump inc. >> the people punishing the down ballot candidates, they are buying into the idea the election is rigged. if you say i want a check on hillary clinton, you are conceding that you are buying into the system that you are somehow part of the system that is denying trump his rightful win. that's a problem. i should say to add, i covered bernie sanders for a long time. he would say the economy is rigged. he never said the election was rigged. this idea is that it was -- seeds that grew into what we see now. because it's not a far leap for some people. >> why does your party struggle with its most conservative movement being satisfied with incrementalism? while the progressive wing of the democratic party accepts it? >> i think it has to do with the base of the republican party being a base that always assumed that the next generation would be better. they really bought into this idea that if you could work hard, that this is sort of like
a birth right of being an american. that basic compact with the government and with society feels threatened. i think that's very frightening. >> well, we will leave it there. by the way, i should note, i'm a dodgers fan. my staff is making me do this. last night the cubs clinched -- i will say this with clinched teeth, a trip to the world series after beating my dodgers. 5-0, because they did not pitch clayton kershaw in game five, but anyways, the cubs will be facing the cleveland indians tuesday. the cubs haven't been in a world series since 1945. and they won a world series -- they haven't won since a roosevelt was president, teddy. that was in 1908. they have only won when teddy roosevelt is in office. is that an omen? does that mean that the indians will win? here is hillary clinton, a one-time chicago native, celebrating the -- watching the cubs post-game celebration. she did not don a yankees cap. that's all we have for this week. two more sundays until election day. we will be back next week,
because if it is sunday, it's "meet the press." >> goodday, i'm ari melber here, and this is "pulse of america" where your voice can be heard. here are the stories that e want to know. a national poll is showing donald trump down by double digit digits and a big position of port supporters say they won't accept the election, because they believe it is rigged. and we want to know if