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is donald trump the new baghdad bob? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews out in pittsburgh, where tomorrow i'll be interviewing vice president joe biden who's out on the campaign trail. with just two weeks to go in the race and polls showing a lead for hillary clinton, there's at least one person who thinks donald trump is winning. donald trump. according to trump, the polls are phony and the democrats are trying to discourage his supporters. here was trump earlier today. >> some great polls have just come out. i believe we're actually winning. if you read "the new york times" and some of these phony papers. these are phony, disgusting, dishonest papers. but if you read this stuff, it's like, what are we doing? what are we wasting time for? the truth is, i think we're winning. what they do is they show these phony polls where they look at
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democrats and it's heavily weighted with democrats. and then they'll put on a poll where we're not winning, and everybody says, oh, they're not winning. what they do is they try to suppress the vote. this way people don't go out and vote. but we're winning this race. i really believe we're winning. >> well, later in the day, trump said the poll shows he's down, but said his voters have greater enthusiasm than clinton's voters. let's listen to that. >> i think we're going to have a brexit situation. you know, that one was behind in the polls, and i guess i'm somewhat behind in the polls, but not we much. i mean, in your state, i'm one point, two points, and even in three polls. one point, two points, and even. and i think we have a much greater -- a tremendous enthusiasm, much greater enthusiasm than she has. >> well, yesterday, trump's campaign manager, kellyanne conway, acknowledged that they were the underdogs. let's watch her. >> where do you see this race right now? do you acknowledge that you're behind? >> we are behind.
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she has some advantages, like $66 million ad buys just in the month of september. we were behind one, three, four points in some of these swing states that mitt romney lost to president obama. our advantage that donald trump is going to continue to take the case directly to the people. >> meanwhile, karl rove, who spent election night 2012, arguing with the fox news decision desk over the results is throwing in the towel for his party's candidate. let's watch him. >> if he plays an inside straight, he can get edit, but i doubt he'll going to be able to play it. he has 186 electoral votes in states that he either leads outside of the margin of error, or is thought comfortably put away. that compares to romney's 206. he would have to not only win two states where he is either only slightly ahead or behind by four, but he would have to pick up states where he is behind by, at, or above the gnanational
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average. i don't see it happening. >> on the latest abc news tracking poll, clinton is 50-38. today trump called ate totally phony poll. a cnn opinion research poll just out today shows a closer race, with clinton leading by just five points, 49-44. i'm joined right now by "the new york times" jamiel alcindor and democratic strategist, tad devine is back. good to have him back. let's go to yamiche in this order. what is the strategy of trump saying he's not behind? because the other day he was saying the election is fixed and he can't possibly win. i thought one was to encourage his voters. i'm not even sure, what is his strategy? saying he's going to win and the polls are wrong, or saying he's going to get screwed and the polls are right? what's his strategy here, yamic yamiche? >> we're seeing two things happening here. donald trump is in one way trying to tell people that he's realizing he's behind and he wants to rile up his base and
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tell people, hey, there's still time, we need to get this together. but there's also this other part of donald trump, where he really is in denial in some ways. he sees these polls, the same polls that he would be talking about if he was winning and says now they're rigged. and it goes to this idea that the election is rigged and wants his supporters to feel like, if i lose, it's not because of anything that i did, but it's really because of the media and the people who are rigging this election. >> yeah, hugh, he's really trying to be scientific about her. he's saying, let me tell you how they rig it. they give more weighting to the democrats, when they're polled, than they give to the potential republican voters. he's really getting into the science of polling, and showing how it's been, according to him, rigged, at the same time, well, i'm not sure at the same time it is. except, it's rigged. the polls are rigged, the elections are going to be rigged. is that the theme to get his people out? >> i think it's the theme to get his people out. but i think it's part of him being angry at the system. yes, he wants to get his voters out. and they are enthusiastic.
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i think i would -- >> i would say. >> that he's -- his supporters are very enthusiastic. so there's a little bit of that going on. but i think some of this is the fact that he is -- he's really kind of departing from the message of his campaign. kellyanne conway is really trying to tweet out and do interviews where she says, i understand we're behind. she wants people to understand that they're serious, that they're presidential candidates, that they understand what the numbers are saying to them, but donald trump is really doing what he wants to do in this case. >> hugh, can you understand his strategy? his public strategy? >> no, not really. i think it's important for him to focus on the obamacare meltdown, focus on issues and leave the pollsters to their polling. if you want to point to anything, point to tom cotton winning by 72% two years ago in arkansas and mitch mcconnell winning by 15%, neither of which were predicted anything close to that kind of a landslide. but you don't unskew polls. it's a bad move. i've fallen into that trap myself. i've learned, trust the real clear politics average and
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campaign on the issues. >> i hate to take you down a rabbit hole you don't want to go down, but why the mcconnell raise underpolled? >> i do think that state polls is much more difficult than national polling. i've tried to figure it out with people like sean trendy at real clear politics. the bigger your sample, the easier it is to model a turnout. i think cotton won by 17 points. the last poll showed him winning by 8 to 10, but about three weeks out, they thought that prior cotton race was a dead heat and cotton wins by 17 points. it does give you pause when you come to some polls. >> let me go to tad, who's a political strategist, not a pollster. i don't understand, when you have two weeks to go in the polls, why doesn't trump say the following. if you like the way things are going, vote for the usual candidate, hillary clinton. if you like the way we're losing jobs in the manufacturing part of this country, vote for what we have. if you like the way we have uncontrolled immigration, vote
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for that. if you like these stupid wars, vote for that. vote yes for hillary. why doesn't he set it up as a zero-sum game, if you vote for hillary clinton, you're voting for the way things are, and set it up smartly instead of arguing about polling? your thoughts? >> because he's not a disciplined candidate and doesn't really care about the mechanics of campaigns, because he doesn't stick to a message. you know, this is a guy who will say whatever he wants to say if he thinks it serves his purposes at that momentum. it's a twitter kind of form of communication. so, you know, i think he's trying to offer reassurance to his supporters that he's not out of it. but the truth is, he's fallen far behind and there's very few, if any, paths for him to win the election. >> what you think do you think's happened to him? is it the tape from 2005? what is it that broke his chance? >> i think combination of number one, the debates, where hillary clinton performed like a president. she demonstrated presidential capacity, dealt with him very effectively. number two, i think that tape that was released of hmm on the bus confirmed all the suspicions
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that people had about him, particularly with women. that's why he's trailing. he's 20 points down in the abc poll with women right now. i think it's a impincombination those events. >> trump went after the media again, saying he was looking out for working americans. i wish he would say, to do it the right way. let's watch. >> the media isn't just against me. they're against all of you. that's really what they're against. thar not against me, they're against what we represent. the media is entitled, condesce condescending, and even contemptuous of the people who don't share their elitist views. and this is all for money. this is for money, largely, must be and power. i see you and i hear you. i am your voice. >> let me go to hugh on that? what do you make of that argument that he represents the regular folks out there and the media represents the elite. and why would the media, except
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a lot of us media are ivy leaguers and they are the intellectual elite, although i don't think that's what i brag about, but they are, some of them, why is the media pro-el e pro-elite, according to him. give me the motivation, you're on that side of thinking and i want to hear the smart way of saying it. >> thank you. to quote kissinger, it has the additional benefit of being true. 90% plus of manhattan beltway media elites will vote for hillary clinton and will applaud her election. it seeps into coverage. those elites look for news in places other than the obamacare premium hikes or the problems with the fbi. these are stories where if trump were making a comprehensive case, it goes back to nixon and agnes, it's an old saw and a true saw in the republican cannon that you don't get a fair shake, but you've got to deal with it by focusing on the issues and not on the problem to have bias. >> i look at joe biden, he's not an elite.
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i look at bobby casey of pennsylvania, he's not elite. name me the elite in the media? give me the names. >> this is the thing. if we ask people, like donald trump, or ask people like bernie sanders, they were both going after some of the same people. they were talking about "the new york times." they were talking about "the washington post." and really, this is something that i think is kind of an effective argument, because people really do feel like when they go and get the news that they're really getting it from these people who have some sort of plan to rig this election or rig the economy or don't want to cover the real issues. when with, you know, obviously, the media is in some ways covering the news of the day and covering things that we think are important, but there are people making value judgments. i should add, i talked to -- >> do you know anybody, yamiche, at "the new york times" that's pro-life. >> i don't know -- >> you don't have to name names? >> i have not asked my coworkers that question, wii should say. >> that's cute. that's the way you make your point. go ahead, yamiche. >> i really wanted -- this idea
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of -- i was talking to a trump supporter today and he said that he felt that donald trump was what he called a bad lulue coll billionaire. but people are really believing that he's a voice for them. and that's something that's really powerful and that could be an issue that he could continue to talk about if he wasn't talking about suing his sexual assault accusers. >> i think people -- i want to go back to hugh. let me go back to tad on that. i think people look at trump as a sinatra kind of guy. yeah, he has a lot of money, but acts like a little guy who got to be a big guy. he doesn't look like he was born to it. he doesn't look like that. your thoughts? >> i think he doesn't sound like that. the language that he uses. but, you know, listen, that clip you just played of trump, he was taking it directly off the teleprompter. it was very effective. trump's problem is he stops going off the teleprompter. goes to gettysburg to make this big address and says he's going to sue the women who are making charges against him and that's the news. it's ridiculous. it's stupid and selfish and a
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big reason he's going to lose. >> over the weekend, hillary clinton said she won't respond to trump anymore. that's smart. however, today on the trail, she had strong words for him, taking him to task on what he tweeted about the invasion of mosul. this is getting interesting. let's watch. >> just last night he tweeted that the new effort underway to push the terrorist out of the key city of mosul is already, and i quote, a total disaster. he's basically declaring defeat before the battle has even started. he's proving to the world what it means to have an unqualified commander in chief. >> anyway, clinton was joined at the rally by senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts, who attacked trump for labeling clinton a nasty woman at last week's debate. by the way, senator warren knows exactly how to fight with trump. let's watch her here again. >> he thinks that because he has
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money, he can call women "fat pigs" and "bimbos." he thinks the that because he has a mouth full of tic tacs, that he can force himself on any woman within groping distance. well, i got news for you, donald trump! women have had it with guys like you! and nasty women have really had it with guys like you! get this, donald, nasty women are tough. nasty women are smart. and nasty women vote. >> i have to go to -- i have to go to tad, because you've had to deal with clients. how do you find somebody so perfectly designed as elizabeth warren to go after trump? she has no fear of him. she's unassailable at home, she can't be defeated. she seems to have a way of getting beyond tough. he's tough on hillary and tough on everybody.
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she's tougher than him. >> listen, she's connecting. that's what it's all about in politics. bernie sanders connected with voters. that's why he had the campaign he had in the primary process. elizabeth warren connects. she uses plain language, goes right at it, pushing back on a bully. and i think she's just killing him out there. and this is one of hillary's great advantages. it's not just hillary that's fighting this fight. the obamas, they're incredible, the vice president, bernie's been great, elizabeth warren today, this is a murderous row of surrogates that's being thrown at trump right now and he's paying the price for it. >> you're talking about the yankees of old, the 20s. the murderous row. thank you, yamiche alcindor of "the new york times," hugh hewitt of salem and tad divine of the democratic party. democrats are pushing hard to win control of the u.s. senate. they have a good shot. one of the states they hope to flip from red to blue is pennsylvania. looks like they have a good shot, but it's going to be close. hillary clinton was there this weekend blasting pat toomey for supporting donald trump. he's not actually supporting
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donald trump. it's very hard to figure out what he is regarding trump. he's playing it very cute. we'll take a closer look at the keystone state in a minute. plus, with all trump's talk of a rigged election, here's a real-world concern come election day. the justice department will be sharply restricted in how it monitors voting sites this time. we'll have far fewer election watchdogs this year since any time since the days of poll taxes and literacy texts. and barack obama's flying high with an approval rating in the mid- to high 50s. now he's using his popularity not just to help hillary clinton, but to punish republicans up and down the ballot for supporting donald trump. i love the way he's going after darryl issa of california. he wants to put the nails in that guy's political coffin. finally, my election diary for tonight, november 24th, with just 15 days, two weeks and a day, can you believe it? two weeks and a day we'll have this election. this is "hardball," the place for politics. if you're apoaching 65... now's the time to get your duc in a row.
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welcome back to "hardball." one contest that could decide control over the election is the
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race for senate in pennsylvania. in the real clear politics average, incumbent republican senator, pat toomey, holds a two-point lead over his democratic challenger, katie mcginty. pennsylvania has trended democratic in recent elections, but one thing toomey has going for him in history, pennsylvania voters have split their tickets three times since 1992, when the state re-elected senator arlen specter back then and voted in presidential candidate bill clinton. they did it again in 2000, when they re-elected rick santorum to the senate, but also supported democrat al gore for president. again in 2004, re-elected spector by throwing their votes to democrat john kerry for president. but things have changed. in 2000, democrats held only a 5 500,000-voter advantage in registration. toomey has to contend with the coattails of hillary clinton, who leads in the state by an average of six points. and with the challenges facing his party's nominee, donald trump. over the weekend, clinton took on the incumbent senator,
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directly. >> send katie mcginty on behalf of pennsylvania to the united states senate! she's running against someone who refuses to stand up to donald trump. how much does he have to hear or to see. >> and in our first debate on television, toomey has yet to say who he will vote for, whether he'll vote for trump or not, was repeatedly pressed by the moderator on that point, and mcginty, to disclose his choice. let's watch. >> as a leader in your party, yes or no, do you support, as in, will you vote for and encourage rohrs others to vote for your party's presidential nominee? >> and because katie is so extremely partisan, she can't grasp the idea that someone might have trouble with a candidate in their own party. but i do. on the other hand, i know if he were president, he would probably sign legislation that, um, would be constructive. >> i'll tell you, waiting to be
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persuaded is political speak for waiting for the next poll. but, again, the senator is the only person in the united states of america who has not leveled with his constituents on this simple question. are you voting for donald trump? i'll yield the balance of my time back to the senator so that he can now answer that question. >> we're going to move on. but senator, one last go at this. will you disclose to your constituents and to other voters -- >> you know -- >> -- how you're going to vote? >> you know, at some point, i probably will. >> that moderator sounds like me. a few days later, toomey acknowledged northea ed he's in spot. >> i'm still in the same mode i was monday night, which is feeling stuck. >> feeling stuck. politicians don't usually say that. anyway, guy cecil is a democratic strategist and head of the pro-clinton super pac, priorities usa. ryan williams is a republican strategist. so, ryan, give us an yt of what -- we know what the predicament is. there's two kinds of voters that could vote for toomey. those who are for trump and republicans who are not for trump. that's two groups of voters. you knock one group, the other
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may not like you and reverse the same thing. it's hard to keep both of those republican groups happy. >> well, politically, it's a tough spot. there's no question about that. and i think for someone like pat toomey who's been a good senator and focused on policy, he's torn between hillary clinton, who he hates, doesn't think she would be a good president, and trump, who he also doesn't like. he's been very up-front about his opposition to trump's outrageous statements and his policies he disagrees with. so he's in a tough spot, but thankfully pat toomey has a good record in the senate. a party of bipartisan achievement. and i think that's why he's leading in the polls, despite the distractions the top of the ticket is throwing at him. >> last question. do pennsylvania voters, do they still believe there's such a thing as an east coast republican? a hugh scott republican, a scranton republican, a jack heinz republican. do they really think there are republicans that are not right-wingers, that they would feel comfortable voting for, especially in the 'burbs? >> i think so. i think that's pat toomey, rated one of the most bipartisan
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senators in the united states senate, someone who worked with senator joe manchin of west virginia on a common sense solution to background checks. someone who has worked to keep child sex predators out of school. he's worked to clear up the backlog at the v.a. he's someone who has a record of achievement. and that's why he's leading right now, in a challenging year overall for republicans. >> well, guy, democrats have told me, pennsylvania democrats at the very top level have told me that toomey's been very shrewd for coming out for background checks along with joe manchin, that he's done just enough to look like a moderate on guns, at the same time, not to offend the nra, and therefore can win in the 'burbs. what do you think? >> well, i actually they you ill stra straited it perfectly, he's trying to have it both ways. they've done a good job pushing back on that narrative, about being a friend and a reliable vote for the nra -- >> how is he different from
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casey, the democratic senator from pennsylvania on guns? >> on guns? >> yeah. how's he different? >> i think there's a couple of things. when he look at assault weapons, there's still differences there in terms of him disclosing what he believes. he also says according to the nra that he opposes certain supreme court justices in part because of their view of the second amendment. and he also supports donald trump. and that, wii think, is the hea of the -- >> but on the issue of guns, to delineate, he's different than the popular democratic senator on guns? you're saying that? >> on background checks -- >> i think they're both for background checks? >> right. but on assault weapons bans, on their vote for the supreme court justice, based on the second amendment, which, by the way, the narra scores, which is why most get an f with the nra. >> your group, the pro-clinton super pac is getting into this
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pennsylvania fight and running this television ad against toomey. let's watch that. >> pat toomey and donald trump. they're just wrong for the women of pennsylvania. >> new fallout for donald trump. >> should a woman be punished for having an abortion? >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah, there has to be some form. >> i would support legaislation in pennsylvania that would ban abortion and i would suggest we have penalties for doctors who perform them. >> pat toomey and donald trump, they're not for you. >> is that a fair ad, ryan? >> no, i don't think so. look, you obviously were there, you asked the question of donald trump. it was about penalizing women for abortions. that's not pat toomey's position and never has been. they're conflating two things. and i think they're trying to tie in with trump, a strategy democrats are using across the country. he's a good senator and katie mcginty is not a good candidate for the democrats. she's very wooden, she's not very likable, she gave a terrible speech at the dnc, that was widely panned -- i think one
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reporter said it was like an "snl" sketch of someone trying to impersonate a politician, it was so bad. she's not a great candidate, she's weak, she's nothing but really standard democratic talking points. pat toomey has a record of accomplishment and it's what he's running on. >> guy, are you running across the state or in the philadelphia market? >> we're running in the philadelphia market. >> why aren't you running it across the state, which is nor pro-life? >> in part because we're still running ads in the rest of the state, specifically focused for trump for hillary's election, which is the primary function in the election. >> but why are you just running it in philadelphia, where you know that people are more pro-choice. is that fair statewide to suggest that you're just going to go out and basically pick up the pro-choice votes around the philadelphia suburbs, but not advertise to the rest of the state, which is much more culturally conservative, your candidate's position on voting rights? >> well, we think where we're still advertising for donald
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trump, there are still votes to gain for hillary. so we're focused on donald trump in those particular markets. and in the philly suburbs, we think we're pretty close to maxing out hillary's vote in that respect. >> would you run that ad we just saw up in scranton if it were run for free? if someone paid you to run it, would you run it? >> an ad that says -- >> no, that ad. >> yeah, an ad that says -- >> no -- >> i'm answering your question, if you'll give me one second. would i run an ad in scranton that says that donald trump believes women should be put in jail if they had an abortion? yes. would i run an ad that says pat toomey should be put in jail if they had an abortion? yes. and the number one complaint republicans have about katie mcginty, is that she's not likable, which is what they say about any strong women running for office these days. she's going to win the election. >> now i've got to give ryan a response. your thoughts about that? is likability a factor here? >> she's not been a strong candidate. she's someone who got caught lying about being the first
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member of her family to go to college. she's someone who's been part of this revolving door culture in goth, where she was in government, and steered money to corporations and then left and worked for those corporations. people don't like that. they don't like people using the system for they own gain like hillary clinton and like katie mcginty in pennsylvania. it's not what people want these year. >> thank you, both. up next, this year, for the first time since the 1960s, the justice department will be sharply limited in sending its watchdogs to polling places to protect people's right to vote. that's a big concern, especially considering donald trump is calling his supporters to monitor what he's calling a rigged election. that's ahead and this is "hardball," the place for politics. i work 'round thclock. i wa my blood sugar stay in control so askedut tresiba®. ♪resiba® ready ♪ triba® is a once-daily, long-acting inlin that lasts even longer an 24 hours. i nt to tr my a1♪ tresiba® ready ♪
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they even want to try to rig the election at the polling booths, where so many cities are corrupt. and you see that. and voter fraud is all too common. if nothing else, people are going to be watching on november 8 president watch philadelphia. watch st. louis. watch chicago. go around and look and watch other polling places and make sure that it's 100% fine. >> welcome back to "hardball." for months now, donald trump has called on his supporters to watching polling elections for what he alleges should be widespread voter fraud in the big cities. now civil rights advocates say they're worried that voter intimidation spurred by trump's claims the election is rigged could be on the rise this november. this comes in the wake of the 2013 supreme court ruling that cut portions of the 1965 voting rights act, which were aimed at preventing discrimination at the ballot box.
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"the new york times" notes, for the first time since the days of poll taxes and lurtsy tests, a half century ago, they'll be deterred in how they can observe polls. talt, trump is stoking fears of a rigged election, but he said actually on saturday that voter fraud could actually help him if fraudulent ballots are cast for him. >> there are 2.8 million people that are registered in more than one state. so we'll vote here, let's ride down the road and vote next door. maybe they'll vote for trump. i don't know. maybe i shouldn't be saying this. i may be hurting myself. you're right. you're right. maybe they're going to vote for trump. all right. let's forget that. it's okay for them to do it. >> well, with i'm joined right now by judith brown dianis of
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the advancement project a. trump is basically say, keep an eye out for the big urban cities with large seniority populations and if you're from somewhere else, basically, get in your car on election day, as a private citizen, drive into some neighborhood where you think there might be, might be voting cheating of some kind, impersonation, whatever, and blow the whistle on it. is that feasible? can we imagine that actually happening? and if so, what would be the impact? if, say, somebody from a suburb goes into a black community, a minority community and starts blowing the whistle. because in philadelphia, there were 59 voting divisions where you didn't get a single vote for mitt romney and i believe it's because nobody voted for mitt romney, but they may have different suspicions. your thoughts? >> first, let's be clear about this, chris. there's clearly racism behind this. from, first of all, saying that there's the bogeyman of voter fraud. and by the way, my supporters, that bogeyman are -- those are
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black and latino people in the inner cities. and then dispatching people and telling supporters to go to those areas and watch what they are doing, first, we should know that intimidation is against the law, under the voting rights act. so getting in the way of anyone exercising that right to vote is illegal. two, is that, in most places, in most stayses, there's actually laws about who can go into the polling places. and it's exactly why the department of justice is not going to have observers inside -- >> let's talk about the trump people. i want to focus on trump, relevant to the universe we live in, some guy or woman comes in from the 'burbs, for example, a republican comes in or a pro-trumpy comes in and shows up in an inner city voting area. they walk up, got their head over the shoulder, looking at the voting list, stick their face into it, and they say, that's not mary mcgee. that's not her, that's not that person. now, is that what they're talking about, stopping -- i'm
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just trying to figure out, physically, what do trump people -- what's trump talking about? >> what he's really talking about is intimidating them. just my showing up -- >> do you think that would intimidate somebody in a downtown district where people all know each other, know the community, use the term community, knows who's in it and who isn't in it, and someone who shows up who's not in the community and starts giving orders. do you think that would intimidate anybody? i think that person would be shouted down, probably. >> i think they would be shouted down and i don't think they'll actually be able to challenge a voter. but what i do think it is, you know, is that you have some of his supporters who say, we're going to racially profile people. make them a little nervous. >> how do you do that? >> well, i mean, i think it's by some people who are going to show up and hope that they can intimidate people, just by their very, their very existence, at a polling place. i actually don't think that voters are going to be intimidated. people want to cast a ballot. i think that these folks are
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going to be shut down at the polling place and that there will be observers who will be there to challenge those challengers. >> but here's what they can do. >> go ahead, heather. >> here's what they can do, they can slow things down. we saw this -- >> tell me how that works. >> -- a few years ago in pennsylvania. because the laws about whether or not a non-official, non-registered person can go up to someone in line and say, challenge their validity. and then have the onus be on the voter to provide i.d., to provide an affidavit from someone in the community who knows them, it's really actually a patchwork of laws, as is the case across our country, and in some places like pennsylvania, the laws are really, really weak. and so what you can get there is that people -- and this is not new to donald trump. there's an organization called true the vote that did this in 2012. and have been trained sort of vigilante poll watchers. and what it can do is slow it down, so that you have those lines, because what they're doing is making someone then
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prove more than they would have had to do otherwise. and that's part of the problem. >> but in states like pennsylvania, you have to -- first of all, you have to register to be an observer, to go into the polling place. and you have to either be with a party or be with a candidate. so it's not going to be as easy as he's making it out to be to go into a polling place and challenge voters. and in most places, you also have to have some evidence. >> we have to tell everybody voting, if you're an honest voter, and you are, vote. don't let anybody get in the way. but i don't think these vigilantes from the 'burbs are going to be any problem to anybody who wants to vote in their community. i just really believe those people will be tough enough, they've fought for enough of their lives and their parents have, to get the vote. they're not going to let somebody come in and say, excuse me, and get in their face. i don't think so. your thoughts? you're the experts? >> i was just going say, the real problem here is that this is not just an outlier candidate like donald trump who has gone beyond the bounds of so many of
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our norms. but this is actually a pattern of voter intimidation and suppression that takes a lot of different forms. demos just won a lawsuit where we sued the state of ohio for kicked registered eligible voters off the voter rolls, because they hadn't voted recently. so these are the kinds of things. obviously, we know about the north carolina law that won triumphantly, saying that legislators there had gone with surgical precision to find out what types of voting laws african-american used and tried to cut those out. >> i remember. >> this is everyone. >> and this is part of an ethos that says, we're not all equal citizens. >> and we're going to keep reporting on that, because souls to the polls is a legitimate way to vote, it's a nice way to vote, it's godly. let's keep it up. in any way, judith brown dianis and heather mcgee, thank you. up next, if you want to know how much this election matters to president obama, look at his campaign schedule coming up. it's unprecedented for a retiring president. he's out there not just pushing hillary, but democrats up and
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welcome back to "hardball." with nearly two weeks to go, actually, two weeks and a day left in the presidential campaign, democrats are setting their sights on a lot more than the presidency with a sizable war chest now, and a comfortable advantage in the polls, secretary clinton's boosting her party's down-ballot candidates. let's watch it. >> and maggie is going to be a great united states senator for new hampshire. i want to thank governor ted strickland. our candidate for the united states senate. send debora ross to the united states senate! >> well, "the new york times" reporting that hillary clinton is, quote, asking voters to strengthen her hand in congress and repudiate not just mr. trump, but also republicans who have accommodated or endorsed
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trump. and she's enlisted a bevy of surrogates from vice president joe biden, who will be on "hardball" tomorrow. let's watch >> what frustrates me about this election, and i couldn't quite figure it out, as i was on my way up to campaign in new hampshire, day before yesterday for hillary, and i realized it. trump has so dumbed down this election -- no, he really has! think about it! that the press, they're decent people, all these folks out there, what are you going to cover? >> and then there's the president, according to politico, he will back nearly 150 candidates across 20 states in an attempt to rebuild the party from the bottom up. that would be the democratic party. for more, i'm joined by our roundtable. jay newton small, contributor with the "time" magazine, and ken vogel, chief investigative reporter with politico. from the top. take over here, guys, this has a roundtable. i want you to explain to me kind of campaigning in plain sight. hillary clinton's not doing a lot of hard-nosed interviews.
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and she's campaigns for other candidates than herself. i think it's a strategy to get the focus off her in the last two weeks and keep it on trump. tim? >> yeah, i think that's right. look, if you're hillary clinton right now, you're up six points on average in pennsylvania. you're up eight points in new hampshire. you look around and there's not a down-ballot race in colorado. but in those other three straits, for instance, at this point, why not help the down-ballot candidates. why not try to strengthen your hand when you're naughted next january. it has a dual effect of not only helping your down-ballot candidates, but it is a prevent defense strategy. it's sort of a place it safe, let's not do anything to possibly hand ammunition to the trump campaign less than two weeks out, at this point, or 15 days out at this point. it just makes sense from a tactical standpoint, makes sense from a money standpoint. democrats are now sort of starting to spread the wealth around down-ballot, as we've seen over the last week or two. >> and chris, if i can add to
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that,pseudos show that women are always more popular, when they're already in office or when they're campaigning for somebody else or working for somebody else. and so in this case, hillary clinton is generally more popular when she's out there doing something for somebody else than when she's actually talking about herself. and so, i think this is actually just a play to sort of keep her head down, keep her head in the sand, let everything happen with donald trump like go past her and really just focus on helping others on the ticket, and getting them across the finish line as well, but it also helps her, too. >> ken? >> yeah, and i think there's also -- it's not just that she's hiding in plain sight. i mean, her schedule is actually relatively sparse for the final two-week stretch of election. she did two events saturday, but they're not expecting like a very vigorous schedule down the stretch. and i think part of that is, they are legitimately concerned that if she gets out there and doze a lot of events, there is the potential for an unforced error. people around her believe that if she's keeping a really intense schedule, she gets a
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little tired, as anyone would, and that the chances for that go up, everything is going so well for her right now, they're trying to look for that sort of path of least resistance -- >> over the weekend -- >> -- and give momentum to the candidates down-ballot. >> there's one guy swinging pretty loosely. out west, president obama blasted congressman darryl issa and called him shameless. during a closed-door event, president obama accused issa of being someone who, quote, spent all his time simply trying to obstruct, to feed the same sentiments that resulted in donald trump becoming their nominee, closed quote. the commander in chief -- campaigner in chief, has had a few words for a number of republican candidates. let's watch him in action. >> now, i understand joe heck now wishes he never said those things about donald trump, but they're on tape.
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they're on the record. and now that trump's poll numbers are cratering, suddenly, he says, oh, i -- now, i don't -- i don't -- i'm not supporting supporting him. too late. why does marco rubio still plan to vote for donald trump? there has to be a point where you stand for something more than just party or more for than just your own career. >> he's going to be a little careful. he is flying high out there. anyway, this is hardball, the place for politics. thank you. wa, i become a mel?! no. whose cellphe is t sorry.orry. soy abt that ventblowing y. art thha, in nailstblowing y. challee to and noce a diffee or ur money b nature's bounty.
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we're back with the "hardball" round table. tim, tell me something we don't know. >> chris, with hillary clinton wanting to pursue immigration, keep in mind, in arizona, 200,000 new hispanic voters since 2010. if trump is at that number or even lower, that state goes blue in a couple of weeks. >> wow. what a prediction. jay? >> in the race in louisiana, david vitter in his senate seat,
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you have david duke, a former white supremacist and he actually just qualified for a debate in that state and it's going to be held at an historically black college which will make for a very interesting debate. >> geez. that's strange. ken? >> campaign officials tell me they have not asked to review nor have they actually reviewed the john podesta personal e-mails from his e-mail account. wikileaks has tens and thousands that they have jet to release so there could be some surprises in there for the voters and media and clinton campaign. you have to wonder, they have total confidence in john podesta and his discretion or that's almost like medical malpractice. back after this. ♪
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election diary monday, october 24th, 2016. something's changed. this campaign feels very dinner than it did a week or two ago. now there's this feeling between donald trump and hillary clinton is over. hillary's going to win. well, the former secretary of state be joined in the morning headlines with a senate takeover as well? will there be a big number on the front page saying how many seats the democrats gained and the republicans lost. the perpetual investigation and probe of democrats. you see it in the president's big push for senate candidates wherever he goes. he wants a whopper.
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and then there's baghdad bob, saying none of this is true. he was the guy broadcasting from the iraqi capital. today, the die-hard voice coming from the presidential campaign is that of the candidates himself. baghdad bob, meet donald trump. and that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris heys starts right now". tonight on "all in". >> nasty women are smart and nasty women vote. >> as early voting begins today in several key states, a full-court press by democrats. >> what frustrates me about this election, trump has so dumped-down this election. >> and will the white house take back congress? >> heck, no! heck, no!

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