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bill clinton holds three events in north carolina. >> that does it for us on this wednesday, i'm louis burgdorf alongside -- >> me, alex witt. >> "morning joe" starts right now. >> is the last time we're going to have a chance. four years it's over. in four years, you don't have a chance. all these characters that want to run in four years. they can forget it. they're wasting their time. republicans have to finally get smart and come together. this is our last chance. you see what's happening at the voting booths. you see what's happening. the lines are three blocks long. i can't tell you exactly but i see a lot of trump buttons. a lot of trump hats. a lot of shirts. and we have a feeling, don't we, that they're going to be voting for trump. i have a feeling.
♪ >> good morning. it's wednesday, october 26th. what does that mean? >> nicole, you've been involved in campaigns before. i don't know about but every time i see that -- >> i think something i can't say on tv. >> you know what i mean? you see the pumpkin. every time i see it, my god. i got a week. i got to take the kids out for five minutes and then go knock on doors. you see that and boom. >> seasons take on a new meaning. >> welcome to "morning joe." we're just a few days away from pumpkin day and election day. >> look at this. >> what just happened. >> it's a "twin peaks" thing. >> mark halperin is here.
>> we're working on that. really? >> former communications director for president george w. bush nicole wallace. >> might it work? >> people don't realize is that we are actually on a set right here. the only one in north america where we don't have wi-fi here. >> there's a place you can hold it and download four or five e-mails at a time. hold it right here. >> here's the amazing thing, i have been trying since 5:00 a.m. to download a two-minute video and the thing is it will lock in and then the second your phone goes to sleep, boom. it says please contact security at ft. knox. >> we're like julian assange, we have to operate without internet access here. >> in washington --
>> i can't work this way. i can't work this way. mika and i are going to go sit over there. >> can i sit next to you, willie? >> come on over. >> associate editor of "the washington post," msnbc correspondent, eugene robinson. and nicole is here. can we just start with something that we can show you besides ourselves. we begin with new numbers from two key swing states. a new poll released just moments ago shows donald trump pulling slightly ahead of hillary clinton in florida. the bloomberg politics poll conducted friday through monday shows trump in the lead 45% to clinton's 43%. trump is -- >> let's freeze on this for one second. obviously freezing is something that we do very well on graphics. mark halperin, i love what john heilemann said about a month or two ago. if it's within the margin of
error, let's not say someone is ahead or behind. it's a tie. florida if you look at the bloomberg politics poll, it's a tie based on this poll but we do look at trend lines. a man who has had two to three to four of the worst weeks ever and this week desecrating the gettysburg battlefield with his speech accusing sexual accusers of doing things that are actionable in the court of law, he's up two in this poll in the state of florida. the trend lines are not as horrific as 99.98769% of the people on my twitter feed would have america think. >> we discussed this on "with all due respect" last night. standing in states that would get him to 265 electoral votes is better than standings in the national polls. he still doesn't have a path to 270 or even to 265. he's not deteriorated as badly
in battleground states. he hasn't. but he's behind. there's no obvious way to win. with a surge, if there is some sort of hidden trump vote, he's in the game in a lot of these states. >> nicole, it's hard to say, we're just going off of two days of polls, we've had two national polls that have him five points behind when over the weekend he was 13, 14, 87 points behind. now we see a florida poll that has it tied. there's a nevada poll that came out yesterday that's horrific for him. there's an arizona poll that also shows him sort of inching ahead. is there a natural tightening here? are republicans possibly "coming home" as mike pence was saying? >> i don't know that they recognize home. it's what we've been talking about for many, many months. people are not that excited about either one of them and for a lot of people it's not a vote for one of the other it's a vote against the other and i think as
much as people are sort of hardened in their ways, the truest thing he probably has said all year is that he could walk out on fifth avenue and shoot people and his supporters wouldn't flee, they are with him for the long haul and don't care what he says and does. we never believed there's a ceiling. i still don't. it sort of represents his limits and it's i wouwhy he doesn't ha path to win this thing. probably won't lose in a way the national polls would suggest. >> his strength in our poll is with independents where he's doing better than she is and better than mitt romney did in florida. look, there are going to be some republicans that come home. you look at what's been in the news since that poll was taken. it's been more about the affordable care act of the last day before the poll or after the poll but also about the e-mails and some of the questions people have about her trustworthinestr. five points nationally is a landslide. >> five points is a landslide
nationally. that's why we talk about trend lines. some say also which people in the press won't like to hear as a republican there's a natural reaction to press bias. it's been so overwhelming even if it's been earned. the media has taken sides. they've aggressively taken sides and admitted that we're aggressively taking sides. and i think you get some republicans that see that every four years. it's so funny. they do that every four years. every four years it's like the end of the world if a republican gets elected president because they're all racist. it's the boy that cried wolf. also, it's such a confounding election where we go back and forth on what it's about, mike barnicle said it's about hillary clinton. i'm going to vote for hillary clinton as a protest against and then after sitting on that for a couple of weeks, that thought for a couple weeks, they go,
maybe not. >> that's the only reason it's close in some of these places is because donald trump who has had relentless negative coverage and earned it for months and months and months -- >> he's worked really hard for it. >> he's earned that. the fact that he's in a coin toss in florida, ohio, north carolina, all of those states, that speaks a lot to hillary clinton as well. the problem for him is he would have to win almost every one of those coin tosses. he would have to win all. >> plus something else. >> and they can't even answer what that something else is. >> that's the problem at the end of the day. he's got to win all of the tossups, which if you look at the tossups, florida, north carolina, ohio, iowa, arizona, where he's ahead, nevada, which some polls show it's bad. he could win all those. it wouldn't be a shock. he should win all of those as a republican. even if he does all of that and wins all of the romney states, he's at 266. he still has to win new
hampshire, wisconsin, or colorado. for some reason they think they have a shot at winning colorado. i don't. >> they have to think they have a shot of winning one of those places or they've just given up. north carolina is still tough for trump. our poll now florida is not a give me. i don't understand why democrats are just saying it's over. it's been over for months. if one guy gets to 265, you know, who knows. he's still behind. >> democrats say that because they see him down seven in north carolina. they see -- she doesn't need to win florida. it's not an irrational or unreasonable assessment of where the race stands today. that it could be that close that he could get to 265 is the revelation, i think, with the kind of week he's had. surrogates, newt gingrich standing at the top of his lengths about being obsessed and fascinated with -- they're losing their minds. they're not acting like a
campaign that's going to close strong. >> we were talking about arizona. and a new poll gives donald trump the edge there. the monmouth university poll finds trump with 46% support to hillary clinton's 45%. johnson at 4%. among those already voted, clinton is leading by a ten-point marge be,n, 52-42. clinton is competing hard in the state with 32 field offices. >> donald trump has zero. yes, we're small. we're slow too. >> and clinton is up with a new spanish ad featuring a young undocumented woman praising clinton's immigration plan saying trump will deport millions. let's move onto the latest data
dump by wikileaks. it's raising new questions over how much president obama knew about hillary clinton's private e-mail server during her time as secretary of state. the group released a new batch of e-mails allegedly hacked from the personal account of clinton campaign chair john podesta yesterday. they have not been independently authenticated by nbc news. the clinton campaign and u.s. intelligence officials have continued to blame russia for hacking these alleged e-mails. in march of last year during an interview, the president said that he had learned about clinton's use of the private server from news reports. >> he learns a lot from news reports we found over the last eight years. >> a hacked e-mail exchange suggests tt might not have been the case. clinton spokesman allegedly highlighted obama's comments in an e-mail to other staffers. you probably have more on this but it looks like he found out hrc was using her personal e-mail when he saw it in the news. cheryl mills, clinton's former
chief of staff at the state department at the time, immediately followed up in an alleged exchange with podesta saying we need to clean this up. he, meaning obama, has e-mails from her. they do not say state.gov. two days after that exchange, white house press secretary john earnest said the president knew about secretary clinton's e-mail address because of their own e-mail exchanges adding the president was not aware of the nature of the server or the extent clinton used it. donald trump seized on the alleged revelations yesterday during a campaign stop. >> as you may remember, president obama claimed to have no knowledge whatsoever of clinton's hillary clinton's illegal e-mail server. no knowledge of it. this guy is as bad as she is. obama had to know that hillary was using an illegal server, but he claimed otherwise, so that means obama is now into the act,
and now i understand that despite his hatred of the clintons, because bill hates him, but despite his hatred, now i understand why he pushed her because he didn't want to get caught up in the big lie. he's caught up now, folks. we have to investigate the investigation. this investigation. >> i want to move on. there's more. a separate exchange from this latest wikileaks data dump shows one clinton ally and her campaign chairman allegedly clashed over the e-mail server. the reported conversation took place and the subject is i highly recommend followed by she, meaning clinton, start taking more positive news soon. podesta sarcastically responds
really? that's great advice. he allegedly continued to call out several clinton staffers speaking of transparency, our friends david, cheryl and philippe sure weren't forthcoming on the facts here. all three worked at the state department with clinton. allegedly adding this is a cheryl special. you know you love her but this stuff is like her achilles' heel or kryptonite. she just can't say no to this. later asked by clinton's team didn't get information about the server out sooner before allegedly responding. i guess i know the answer. they wanted to get away with it. >> there are a lot of things that -- first of all, i put myself at the top of the list, horrified if the e-mails of the last decade, of any of us, were revealed. horrified. i would crawl under a rock and not come back out from it.
especially this morning's e-mail about the wi-fi server. you do not want to read that e-mail. i make no apologies. that said, john podesta and robby mook and other people in this campaign in the clinton circle, really come off as good guys. people fighting for transparency against, unfortunately, cheryl mills, david kendall and the old guard. it's almost as if the new guard is saying these people need to stop the stuff that always gets the clintons in trouble. it actually gives me a sense of hope that she had the wisdom to actually put some people around her that want transparency. >> you know, is it a surprise to anyone that the clintons have a very tight set of friends and
aides who have been with them for a long time and that -- i tend to agree with you actually. >> who were paranoid and work against their best interest politically. >> well, you know, at times they certainly have done that. but i tend to agree with you that it's kind of a breath of fresh air that you have a widening circle. they shouldn't do that. i want to go back for just one quick second though because i didn't get in on the state of the race part of the conversation. we're talking about arizona two weeks before an election. we kind of shouldn't be talking about arizona two weeks before an election. and the poll that had the number at five yesterday. a couple polls yesterday, one a tracking poll, one i can't remember what it was. >> nbc survey monkey and then cnn polls. >> a couple polls that had a
12-point margin opposed to a five-point margin. obviously 12 could be too much. five is still a landslide if it holds. nonetheless, you know -- >> are you saying the race is over and we should stop suggesting that it's not over? >> i would not say that. it's not quite true that a day is an eternity in politics but it's a long time. and so, you know, especially this year when you have to expect the unexpected and the unconventional. i don't think anybody will say it's over until november 9th, if then. >> i think you ask me i wouldn't say it's like 91% to 92% like nate cone says, probably 80% right now. if we're really going from 12 to 5, maybe it's a 12. >> it's 100% right now.
>> yeah. if election were held today. but you do look at trend lines. i've been involved in a lot of campaigns. all of the history suggests she's going to win this thing going away, but i'm not going to say it's over. that's for guys that look at computers and try to tell everybody they know exactly what's happening and then four years later they miss donald trump. >> he almost won a news cycle yesterday. >> i got to say, willie. everybody that is saying it's over and you're a fool if you're suggesting that the american people may have the final say at the voting booth are the same people that were saying in august, september, october, november, december, january, february, that there was no way in a million years that donald trump would ever win the republican nomination. stating it just as emphatically as they're stating now that we need to avert our eyes, this race is over. >> joe, i was going to say, you know who is out there saying it's not over? it's not over.
is hillary clinton. >> should be. >> saying, no, no, this is not over. we have to get out. we have to work harder. we have to make sure everybody votes. it's certainly not in her interest to say that this is a done deal. >> it's different though than when we were talking about donald trump in early stages of the republican primary because there was so much we didn't know yet. now we can see it's right in front of us what's happening in all of these states. never comfortable talking about it in past tense because who knows what will happen but highly unlikely he'll win. let's point to one more e-mail. this is in august of 2015, talking about the e-mail problem. she says i know this e-mail thing isn't on the level. i'm fully aware of that. her inability to just do a national interview and communicate genuine feelings of remorse and regret is now, i fear, becoming a character problem. that's from one of her closest friends and allies talking to a guy that's running the campaign and he sort of agrees with her
in this back and forth. a fascinating window that they felt about her the way that people in the public did. >> internally people know what's going on. there was people in her circle that saw what we saw. there always are. >> the thing is, i know wikileaks e-mails are supposed to be horrific for hillary clinton and horrific for the campaign and embarrassing for john podesta, i got to say, it's actually made me think so much more of john podesta and robby mook and a lot of other people around hillary clinton because the big knock on hillary clinton and why she lost in 2008 was because we always heard no one was around her to tell her the truth. she's got people around her now that actually aren't afraid -- >> can i dissent a little bit? most commitment in transparency wasn't good for her political health and not because it was the right thing to do. they didn't succeed.
so it may say good things about them but not bode well for a clinton presidency if people in the end she's going to listen to are the people with the old attitude to reinforce her instincts. >> she just can't listen to david kendall and cheryl mills. >> first of all, if cheryl mills has any security clearance after all that's happened over the past two years, it's a national disgrace and intel community should be ashamed of themselves. just ashamed of themselves. if hillary clinton gives her any authority whatsoever in any government agency, then hillary clinton is showing that she has learned absolutely nothing from the ordeal of the past two years. >> okay. >> i think cheryl mills will have a huge influence in the race. >> and guess what? that will say all we need to know about hillary clinton's judgment and her ability to learn if cheryl mills has any
position. let me tell you right now, the intel community if they give her a clearance, nicole, seriously. if somebody in the bush administration had done what she did, my god. the press would see to it that there was -- >> this is more -- there are people around politicians, every politician, who are enablers with their worst instincts and there are people around politicians always. there were around george bush and john mccain and sarah palin who piss them off when they walk in and tell them they can't do what they want to do. they can't sleep in their bed because they have to wake up in a battleground state and do local tv and can't put e-mails on godaddy server. there are both forces inside a campaign. what's interesting to me isn't that there was someone telling the truth, it's who wins the fights. there are always both camps. what you have to watch for is who wins. who walks in to the white house
with her after an election? >> cheryl mills wins. >> that would speak volumes of hillary clinton. >> you brought it up earlier -- >> i was the only one at the table awake and watching. gingrich, prominent donald trump supporter, got into a heated exchange with fox news anchor megyn kelly, over sex, media bias and anger. the uncomfortable exchange came last night when kelly asked gingrich about claims that trump was a sexual predator. we show it to you now without comment. >> if trump is a sexual predator, that is -- >> he's not a sexual predator. you cannot defend that statement. i'm sick and tired of people like you using language that's inflammatory that's not true. >> excuse me, mr. speaker. you have no idea whether it's true or not. what we know is that there are at least -- >> neither do you. >> i'm not taking a position on it unlike you. >> when you use the words you took a position and it's very unfair of you to do that. i think that's exactly the bias
people are upset by. you want to go back to tapes of your show recently? you are fascinated with sex and you don't care about public policy. >> me, really? >> do you want top comment on whether the clinton ticket has a relationship to a sexual predator? >> we have covered that story as well, sir. i will tell you -- >> i want to hear the words bill clinton sexual predator. i dare you. >> we on the kelly file. the report -- what does o'reilly do? talking points are -- >> wow. >> kelly file is going to get a sandwich now. >> we're not going to comment. >> still ahead on "morning joe," elizabeth warren has been out on the trail. >> yes, she has. she has been on it. in full force. right? >> she has. >> why are you laughing? >> we'll hear from her. and architects of obama care about the big spike in the cost for premiums and whether he would like to stick his head in
the sand right now and michael warren says donald trump seems to have given up on the race and sheryl crow who is leading a push to shorten presidential campaigns. that's not a good idea. that's an awesome idea. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ i served under president bush a obama. i fought the taliban. to cntersil. when someone makes the comment thathey know more about the islamic ste or isil
elizabeth warren has been all over the campaign trail backing democratic senate candidates. she heads to pittsburgh in support of katie mckinty today. >> he thinks because he has money he can call women fat pigs and that he can force himself on any woman within groping distance. i got news for you, donald trump. women have had it with guys like
you. and nasty women have really had it with guys like you. get this, donald. nasty women are tough. nasty women are smart. and nasty women vote. and on november 8th, we nasty women are going to march our nasty feet to cast our nasty votes to get you out of our lives forever. donald trump, call latinos rapists and murderers. kelly stuck with him. trump called african-americans thugs and kelly stuck with them. trump attacked a gold star family and kelly stuck with him. trump even attacked kelly ayotte and called her weak and kelly
stuck with him. donald trump sure has made kelly ayotte dance. day one, she loves him. day two she hates him. day three she's back with him. donald trump is right. kelly is weak. now to all trump spin, he hasn't been hiding who he is. he's been out there from the very beginning. he's been out there and where has your senator, richard burr ben all this time? trump calls women fat pigs and bimbos and brags about sexually assaulting women and richard burr is like a puppy on a leash sticking right there with donald trump. you know, if richard burr is just going to be donald trump's lap dog, then let him go off and do that but the people of north carolina need a strong
independent voice to fight for the families of north carolina. and that is deborah ross. you bet. >> okay. she's on the war path. >> she is. >> nicole, what do you think? >> i -- if i were -- i would give joe biden all of her events. i just don't think she does it for the kinds of peo that are on the fence about hillary clinton. i don't think that's her best surrogate for these closing weeks. if i were making strategic decisions in the clinton camp -- >> she was trying to push it away. >> i just don't -- i mean, the people that are going to be psyched about that nasty version of the -- that's -- those people should already be excited about hillary clinton. i don't think that's the message that brings around the kind of swing voters that we've all been after the last few weeks. >> they need to energize the base. >> they're not energized ten
days out they have bigger problems than winning arizona and georgia. i don't think it's the closing message. >> i think she's doing a great job for hillary clinton. i hope that she has a lot of influence on hillary clinton's policies. i hope that she gets a voice in the administration. >> do you think that nasty thing is the message for the last -- we could play it again. >> highly stylized. >> don't play it again. >> throw fastballs at people's chins. that's what hillary likes. >> those are not the voters still making up their mind. >> they have to get young people to vote. >> they should give up on that and people that vote every four years who are moms and swing voters and registered as democrats and republicans and joe biden is effective at talking to those people. that's not who i would put out. >> by this point you i.d.'d
them. you have to get them and drag them out of the house to vote. >> what about the bernie sanders vote? isn't that what she sort of -- >> if you didn't lock them up with your extravaganza this summer, the last ten days are not about them. they're millennials who -- go for it. what do i care? not my team. strategically as a campaign operative, that's not who i would have make my closing argument. >> i went to a college and spoke and why don't you advertise on our radio shows and why aren't you -- i said because you don't vote. you don't vote. i got two weeks. >> no offense but -- >> i got two weeks. i got a much better chance advertising on reruns of lawrence and those people go out and vote. you don't go out and vote. my job is to i.d. who votes every two years. i.d. them. get somebody to take them to the
voting booth and vote. i agree. i just right now you're right. you lock it down. you pull them out. you get them -- >> even with that vote, i think president obama is a far more effective surrogate for her of revitalizing -- >> it's not just elizabeth warren. president. michelle obama. bernie is out there. >> what nicole is saying is elizabeth warren should probably just put on ear phones like they did with joe biden back in 2008 and just let joe go out now. >> they have research suggesting she helps. i promise. >> local message. everything is a national message. that's not a strong national message for hillary. >> still ahead from hillary clinton's marathon benghazi testimony to chris christie's takedown of marco rubio, they are the people, places and moments that have come to define the 2016 campaign. yahoo!s into is out with their complete list. that's next on "morning joe.".
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>> let's talk about the world series. game one last night in cleveland. the indians hosting the cubs. the indians got to jon lester early. >> they had all of those 80 and 90 and 100-year-old people waiting was the hardest part. very cool. amazing how much time has gone past. 1948 for the indians. 1908 for the cubs.
jonny lester on the bump. tribe got to him early. scored two in the first inning. a lot of walks. cleveland's roberto perez there with a three-run blast in the eighth and indians bull pen remained stellar last night. the first pitcher ever to strike out eight batters in the first three innings. first three innings. >> that guy is so good. >> right hander recorded nine strikeouts before handing things over to andrew miller. escaped a based loaded jam. kept cubs off the board. >> lights out. >> thank god yankees got rid of him. cleveland notches its fourth shutout victory in the postseason. 6-0 win over chicago in game one. all of the talks about the cubs,
it's exciting. overshadowed how good this cleveland team is. they are phenomenal. >> they really are. first inning that went horribly wrong and everything went downhill from there. the indians, this is a team that wasn't supposed to be here. they lost their second and their third pitcher. barnicle saying don't worry about the indians. we'll breeze through that. that's how everybody felt about the indians. there's no way they should be here. i got a feeling after last night this is going to be a fall classic. i really do think this one could go six or seven. again, nobody gives the indians respect. everybody is talking about the cubs. just like everybody said the blue jays were going to win and everybody said the red sox were going to win. it's not happening. >> cubs have blotted out the sun in terms of narratives and story lines. if it weren't for the cubs, this 1948 thing for the indians would be a huge deal and after last night people are noticing how good the indians are. >> it ain't over until it's over i'm told. >> cubs were showing the graphics.
pretty crazy. cubs last time they won the world series henry ford was just getting his first model t off the assembly line. that was a strange one, wasn't it? all of these monumental things. and there wasn't even a toaster. okay. well that's -- that's a good point. you could have easily said there also wasn't a blender that you could push a button and make a smoothie. >> we take toast for granted. >> does anyone eat toast? you with your toast free breakfasts. >> occasionally. sour dough. >> i love bread. i'm all gluten. >> people you don't trust, people not to trust are people you go into their house and they don't have bread. >> i agree with you. we have four loaves. >> i joke about -- i don't eat a lot. if i'm hungry, i just get a piece of bread. >> no bread in my house. >> we have a nice loaf with
peanut butter on there. >> peanut butter and jelly. >> i had one at the vegas airport. it was fantastic. >> i could honestly get by on cereal for breakfast, peanut better and jelly sandwich for lunch and cereal for dinner. >> y're a 6-year-old boy. >> that's all i need with sweet tea. >> you have to switch to cheerios when you're old. >> you know what i get off amazon? you know what i get off amazon? >> you can get anything. >> anything. it can come the same day now. >> i get cereal off amazon. you don't remember this. back in the 1960s, there was a war, late '60s. >> it was the first national -- >> by the way, quake got voted out. you can go on amazon.
i mean, i ate it. i woke up and i was, like, passed out. it's so sweet. i, like, passed out and the dog was licking my face. it's unbelievable. >> explains the diabetes in america. >> you need to order that, folks. go to amazon.com. >> captain crunch but classier. >> unlike captain crunch, it's sweet. >> it's tweet like the cookie crisp cereal. >> but a mature taste as well. >> can you get them to make lucky charms with just marshmallows? >> talk to larry king about that. >> up next, michael warren joins us for must read opinion pages. you he says the gop can salvage a terrible election year. "morning joe" is back in a moment. ♪
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joining us now from washington, online editor of the weekly standard michael warren. michael writes in his latest piece. can republicans salvage their congressional majorities in the year of trump? there's a lesson in recent political history. republicans might learn from as david wrote in the weekly standard in 1996, the republican national committee and its chairman, future mississippi governor ha yoor haley barbour wait and see on the congressional level. the rnc strategy made the best of a bad situation and saved the gop from a complete blowout.
the rnc launched a massive advertising attack warning voters not to give bill clinton unbridled power conceding dole's impending defeat. the stakes of the 2016 race are remarkably similar. but if 2016 doesn't go as 1996 did for the gop, it's worth remembering that republicans could have done better. they had before. >> gene robinson, you have the first question. >> michael, you're saying that they should cut donald trump loose and cut their losses. isn't that, in effect, what's happening in a lot of races around the country? >> i think it is. maybe a more explicit cut could do a lot more good for republicans in the last two weeks. i was more attracted reading back through -- there's actually two terrific david graham pieces we ran in 1996 that was more about the message than necessarily the money. money matters a lot less now than it did 20 years ago. and the message i think that
haley barbour and rnc made was an endorsement of divided government and lesson for republicans trying to save not just the senate but some of the house seats and majority could be in danger there is to make -- i would say more explicit case for divided government or at least a unified democratic government. saying that hillary clinton, she's going to support and expand obamacare. she's going to raise your taxes if you vote for republicans in congress. we can help stop that. >> michael, it's willie geist. good to see you, man. you have said in some of your writing and tweets that trump has basically given up at this point. how has that manifested itself? what signs show you that he's given up? >> i wrote this on saturday because i saw his speech where he sort of opened the speech. all of the debates are done. it's basically him and hillary clinton and the american people and he's going after the women who accused him of sexual assault. i thought this is not the action
of a guy who is really sort of gunning not even just to win himself but to help the party and really help defeat hillary clinton's agenda which is what all of the pro trumper say say. you look at kellyanne conway distancing herself from the bad elements of the campaign. there was an instagram post from his daughter that is rebuilding the private brand of trump showing her with her family, working hard, sort of balancing all that i thought this is not two weeks before a campaign, this is not a group of people who seem to be focused and have their eye on the ball. >> you know, nicole, i don't know if that donald wants to win or lose anymore than he ever has. that's just donald being donald. it's just even more dramatic two weeks before the world goes to vote that he can't go up to gettysburg and just talk issues. i don't think that's him saying
i don't want to win. that's him being him. >> there is a mashup of his surrogates saying he wants to talk about the issues. the issues. the issues. never talks about the issues. he's always had the advantage on the issues. if he could talk about the comey press conference or talk about obamacare or if he could have taken -- >> what about open borders? she fed right into every one of his arguments. >> this is where establishment hand wringers like myself have a point. this was a winnable election. he's never been able to get out of his own way. >> he's not really upped his game. >> perhaps not. >> not a bit. >> what's interesting is there were times -- you look at the time when steve bannon and kellyanne conway first came into the campaign. there were three weeks where donald trump went completely by the script, and his numbers shot
up. >> post-labor day. >> that makes nicole's point that the issues and the environment favored donald trump overwhelmingly. he's had to work really hard to not be ahead. >> or the environment is disfavorable to hillary clinton and yet here she is still most likely to win. so, again, this is why i think republicans would be smart to make the case. look at the news of the last few days about obamacare premiums, healthcare premiums skyrocketing and health insurance companies getting the subsidies and the sort of idea again that you know one thing about hillary clinton, she's going to try to raise -- if you're a middle class income earner, she's going to try to raise your taxes. there's one thing you can say for republicans which is they will try to stop a tax increase. that's an argument that if i'm in a swing district or a senator running in a swing state, i'm going to try to make that
argument explicitly at this point and say forget about the presidential race. if you want to stop hillary clinton's agenda, you need a check on these things and hit those two issues. taxes and obamacare and there may be something you can salvage here. >> can you imagine what jeb bush would do with a 25% increase on obamacare with two weeks? it really would be such a game changer. >> i think -- it would be a five-point swing in the favor of jeb, let's say, if jeb were here right now. >> if any professional politician were running against the democratic, this would be seen as an important moment in the campaign and they would hit it and hit it hard and keep hitting it and it would have some impact. i don't know if it would have five points but it would have impact. that's not donald trump. >> michael warren, thank you very much. and coming up at the top of the hour, we go live to battleground florida where a new poll shows a trump surge and the gloves are off in the presidential race.
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i would love that. mr. tough guy. you know, he's mr. tough guy. you know when he's mr. tough guy? when he's standing behind a microphone by himself. he wants to bring me to the back of the barn. oh. some things in life you could really love doing. >> can we get two 70-year-old dudes talking about fighting. that would be great. >> it makes the point for female leadership. >> it really does. >> thank you. >> it really does. >> it is time. >> what are we going to do? degrade the debate? >> it is time. instead of propping up these guys, hillary clinton needs to pop herself up. >> i need some ben-gay. my arm. >> all right. welcome back to "morning joe." >> can you see biden taking off his shirt. and then trump taking off his
shirt. and then -- >> it wouldn't be like that. joe is from scranton. >> how would it be? >> donald would be talking and taking off his shirt and joe would pop him. >> a cheap shot? >> a fight is a fight. >> nicole, you made the point of the day. it is time for a woman. really. it's just time. >> is it going to get worse than that? >> nope. it's wednesday, october 26th. >> gene, have you threatened anybody in a fistfight in about 50 years? >> i have not. i'm trying to imagine the fight. i can see, you know, each of them, just hold me back. hold me back. hold me back. >> we are. sir, we're holding you back. >> mike barnicle, world series
last night. the indians, the little team that couldn't ended up being the little engine that can. >> first of all, the manager of the indians never lost a world series game. last night you could tell from the get-go any time you see players getting caught looking or lunging, that ball is moving -- that thing was moving. >> corey kluber was unbelievable. >> i could listen to you talk about baseball. >> john smoltz is who you should listen to. >> unbelievable. >> let's go to politics now. >> i think it's going to be a fall classic. i think we could see a seven-game series. >> at this point i don't care. it's such a relief from the campaign news and political news. you can just lose yourself in baseball. >> let's go to politics though. >> sometimes you get lost in central park. >> right. >> i don't often get lost.
>> he gets lost in this building. >> mesmerized but not lost. >> sit down with reflector glasses. >> elect a woman. right now. >> elect a woman. >> yeah. >> mika, why don't we begin with numbers from two key swing states. >> honestly, that's so amazing. that's what i was about to say. a poll released this morning shows donald trump pulling ahead of hillary clinton in florida. the bloomberg politics poll conducted friday through monday shows trump in the lead 45% to clinton's 43%. in the hotly contested battleground of arizona, a new poll gives donald trump the edge with 46% support to hillary clinton's 45%. johnson at 4%. among those who have already voted, clinton is leading by a ten-point margin. 52-42. trump is ahead with those who have yet to vote. 49-41. interesting. clinton is competing hard in the
state with 32 field offices against trump's zero. >> by the way, for those following the spending of campaigns, it appears that this may be the key statistic from the campaign. donald trump has spent more money on hats than he has on polling. >> you're not kidding. >> i'm not kidding. >> he sells those. >> he spent more money on baseball caps than polling. >> he sells those. >> for people that claim the whole donald trump campaign was a big con, they're proved. i'm going to spend the money when we get closer to election day. i'll put ads up on election day. we'll open field offices all over the place. >> make america great again hats. >> but on the other hand, nicole, if you had a candidate that -- let's just take donald trump away from this. if you had a candidate that didn't have to spend money on polling and said you know what
i'm going to do? the media takes a poll every 2 1/2 days. we're just going to live off that. we'll get -- somebody is going to want to feed us internals from that. we'll do that. by the way, we're not going to buy 30-second ads. i'm going to do free instagram ads. i'm going to -- the more outrageous i am, the more the media gives me coverage. that's a playbook for a professional politician in the future to use. >> i think he's going to lose but not because he spent money on hats. he's going to lose because he can't get out of his own way and prosecute a case against hillary clinton. he can't get on offense. he's not going to lose because he didn't have a communications director. he's not going to lose because he didn't do traditional things or never hired a pollster. he's going to lose because he couldn't prosecute a case against hillary clinton. >> it is helpful to have field offices. >> honestly, i think that is a question to be answered after the election. he's not going to lose because he didn't have a campaign
infrastructure. >> let's take that. just field offices. let's talk about what people like me have always believed and i'm sure you have believed you have to do to win elections. you have to have field offices. you have to have grassroots support. you have to work it constantly. you have to knock on doors. you have to build from the ground up. mike barnicle, you know the state as well as anybody. new hampshire. that's a state where grassroots support is king. we've heard it for years. donald trump, he goes into the new hampshire primary, and he just does big events. doesn't do all of the town hall meetings. he wins new hampshire going away. i'm just wondering in 2016 whether the old rule, donald trump and bernie sanders, the old rules don't apply anymore. >> you can sort of a guerrilla
campaign. you can feed off other people's polls. news media polls. you can feed off of getting free tv. but when it comes -- new hampshire is unique. new hampshire is different. it's a very involved state. a small state. you have to have a field office operation to target and get them to vote. >> that's my point. in the primary, he didn't. the party leaders in new hampshire still can't believe that he won the way he won going away because he broke every rule. you always hear the rule. new hampshire people like to say that they want to see somebody seven or eight times. >> chris christie would have won the state if that was the rule. >> when you're this close, of course you need those things. i think he's going to lose he's not going to lose because he didn't build a traditional campaign. he's going lose because he can't stop saying stupid stuff. i think it's an open question
whether or not you need all that apparatus. i don't know the answer. >> jeremy, you have a story out this morning talking about two brewing battles for republicans. one with hillary clinton and the other with themselves. what do you have in here? >> so the republican party lately has been just as good at devouring its own as it has bn at going after democrats. i think that while the question of what happens to donald trump after this election and how public a role he assumes is still very much up in the air. you never know what somebody as unpredictable as trump is going to do. issues and emotions and anxieties and frustrations that have fed his campaign are not going anywhere. and regardless of whether or not he's the leader, there's going to be this tremendous energy that needs to go somewhere. and right now what you have are people around trump at senior levels including steve bannon, his campaign chairman, who are intently focused on taking out paul ryan and trying to get some
type of leadership change in the house of representatives. now, this is a group on the right that ambitions tend to be a bit larger than their actual impact usually, but i don't know. i think that everyone is talking about trump tv and the influence that trump could have through the media after the election. the media property i would be watching right now is breitbart. they're going to have a much larger platform, a much larger audience i would imagine after this election and more name recognition and credibility and steve bannon is going to focus that on the house of representatives. >> let's get the latest data dump by wikileaks. one exchange in these e-mails shows clinton ally and her campaign chairman allegedly clashing over the infamous e-mail server. the purported conversation took place and in it allegedly writes
the subject i highly recommend followed by she, meaning clinton, start making some other more positive news soon. podesta responds, yeah. that's great advice. really? he allegedly continued calling out several clinton staffers saying speaking of transparency, our friends david kendall, cheryl mills, and philippe weren't forthcoming on the facts here. all three worked at the state department with clinton. allegedly adding this is a cheryl special. know you love her but this stuff is like her achilles' heel or kryptonite and asked why clinton's team didn't get information about the server out sooner before allegedly responding i guess i know the answer. they wanted to get away with it. again, these e-mails have not been independently au lly authed
by nbc news. it looks like some people wanted to do the right thing but it's always too late. i don't know. >> you see an internal battle between hillary clinton's old guard and people like podesta and robby mook and others who want transparency. >> this is nothing new in the clinton universe. cheryl mills and a group of people around hillary clinton for 15, 20, 25 years. their idea is to hide things. to obstruct anyone from finding out things. if they dumped it two years ago, it wouldn't hound her every single day. every single day. >> when they did actually kind of -- i'm sorry. there was this big press conference, and i just remember it was the most defensive -- >> the speeches, the wall street
speeches, i've seen portions of a transcript of one of the speeches. you know what's contained in it? she actually knows how the real economy works. that's all. >> i thought that, too, when i read a portion. >> that's all. >> why not get them out? this paranoia -- >> that's what it's been for 30 years. >> how ironic that they've been fearing the wikileaks releases and saying the russians. i'm sure the russians are involved in it but the great irony at the end of it is you read everything that podesta has been sending around and you're left thinking -- i'm sure there's something out there where he says he kicks dogs and eats them for dinner. i'm sorry if there's something i haven't read, i apologize ahead. makes they think podesta is a straight shooter and robby mook. campaign-wise these people want
her to be more transparent and stop acting the way she's going to act. podesta saying if my integrity is going to be questioned, if i'm setting myself up for this, i'm out. they're dumb founded as to why cheryl mills is allowed to continue to circle around hillary clinton and basically make all of the bad judgment calls and play into all of her worst instincts and make everyone else's job around the campaign harder. >> on top of what podesta said about cheryl mills, you had robby mook where he says i'm not playing this game. i'm not doing this secretive stuff. i'm not going to be part of it. it's interesting as nicole said earlier. we're getting an open look for what we assume was happening inside the campaign which is most of the campaign felt the way the rest of the world did. it was dumb not to apologize for it.
>> we're talking about staff. it's sort of inside the palace intrigue. the story is the candidate. so to the degree that questions about whether it will be enablers, not just what they do. they reinforce instinct for secrecy. most people will never know who cheryl mills is. if she sides with them, it says something ominous about the beginning of her presidency. >> and have kept this election close. if clinton world looks at the advice of cheryl mills and kendall and philippe have given her over the years. and then look at where she sits today as less trusted and perceived as being less honest, then donald trump j. trump? john podesta and robby mook wouldn't have gotten you in that
position. cheryl mills did. >> the narrowness of this election even at this point in some states and the contentiousness about wikileaks e-mail drops and e-mail server itself. prove the dangers of an overly protective palace guard. your duty to a candidate or a president i would think would be to tell the president the bad news first. here's the bad news, mr. president or madam president or the candidate. the bad news first. >> does this ring true with you that perhaps hillary clinton is where she is despite people like cheryl mills? >> i don't think her inner circle has served her well. that inner circle reinforces
this idea of less than full disclo disclosure and full transparency. when you see what's going on around her and how she's communicating and what she knows and how her mind works, it's good for her. it helps her. they give the impression there's something that needs to be hidden even if there's nothing there. >> a private server is a serious thing. >> the private server they never should have done and they should have come clean on immediately and just gotten it out there and said i never should have done that. i'm sorry. that was a real mistake. i wanted control of my communication and i shouldn't
have done that? i'll never do anything like that again. >> i'm going to take onus off hillary clinton and think i have these people working for me. i want a private server. i've been so beaten up over the past three decades. i've been through so much. makes sense for me to get a private server. maybe that was her logic. wouldn't that be your logic if you were hillary clinton? >> that would be my logic. >> than the people around me would say you can't do that. it's against policy. you'll get killed for this if you ever run for president, this -- where are these people? i would want a private server. i would at least consider it. i would put it in the options of something i might do. >> and that makes sense. but you have to have people around you that tell you you can't do that. it can't be done. >> as you make this decision about your private server whether to have it or not, do you view the media as an enemy or an adversary?
>> both if you're hillary clinton. >> i think unfortunately the small private circle around secretary clinton views the media as an enemy. >> therefore they should protect her and say you cannot have a private server. the media will kill you. okay. you can't have a private server. you can't. i'm very sorry with all due respect this isn't happening. and if you are doing this, i'm leaving. because you're not listening to me. those are people that you need around you. >> when did you go work for george w. bush? >> when? >> what year? >> before inauguration. >> what was the toughest moment you had to go in and say no? >> i was sitting here thinking about it. i know exactly what it was. it was a friday. he was getting ready to leave for the weekend and we call them the slicks, news media broke big stories which would drive sunday shows which would then sort of shape our whole week.
there was -- i don't want to use the word massacre but a mass killing in a town called hadi a haditha. it broke in one of the magazines. and steve hadley's deputy and i were sort of the b team. a team had left for the day. we had to walk into the oval office and tell the president. it was state department issue. we thought there might be protests and riots against american embassies around the world. the president was furious that it happened. he was sad. he was sick. i want to carve out philippe. my understanding of philippe's role is that he's often the one that would explain to her in explicit terms how the press would receive it. i don't see philippe -- >> you say unlike cheryl mills and david kendall, philippe is not an enabler. >> going back in clinton world, it was philippe who told her how
the press would prosecute the private server. it almost comes through the fork of a press person. you break the news to a candidate about something the press discovered. something the press learned. in the case of haditha one of the worst stories i told the president, it's something the press knew before we did. those are horrible collisions between a truth and something a politician doesn't want to deal with. it almost always falls to press people to walk in there and tell them horrible news that makes them unhappy with you, the press staffer, but usually about something else. this conversation will go on well beyond election day and if she wins into who she surrounds herself with. really important stuff. not about the staffers. but about the politician and the principle. >> if she gets elected, it will determine whether she's a one-term president or a two-ptem
president. will hillary clinton be pursued and dogged by the press for the next four years because she goes into a bunker because of the people she puts around her or will she have people like john podesta and robby mook and others and if philippe is for transparency and philippe. i really do. it will make a big determination on what type of presidency she has. >> all right. gene robinson, nicole wallace, thank you very much. jeremy peters, say with us. still ahead on "morning joe," can millions of dollars save the senate? republicans try to triage some of the tightest races in the country. plus, for a campaign that seems to have gone on forever, some voters are now backing a giant meteor in 2016 with a slogan just end it already. okay. why america's elections are some of the longest in the world.
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>> we are going to win florida. by the way, the lines at the voting booths are record. i notice that a lot of the people online, you see the pictures. they are wearing red hat, white hat, this hat. they're wearing buttons all over the place. i think those are people that are inclined to vote for us. >> joining us from washington, hallie jackson covering the trump campaign. what are you hearing this morning? >> reporter: we're outside of trump's hotel. i tell you why it's happening. trump will be here for his ribbon cutting. the grand opening of this place and it's causing people to scratch their heads. this is one of the last 13 mornings before the election and he's spending it not in a place where he can pick up electoral
votes or place where he's shaking hands with battleground voters but here at his hotel. 31 stops overall since he first announced his candidacy to different trump properties on the trail from scotland so soho. his campaign believes this is a way to show that donald trump can get things done. this hotel is a tangible sign of his leadership. expect that to be part of donald trump's message when he comes out here this morning. when you look at what else he's doing, he's going back out to north carolina for two stops. one of those stops is in charlotte. i'm told there may be a policy speech he could be delivery although details are still being worked out as to the theme. north carolina and florida very important for him as he turns into this final couple of weeks, less than a couple weeks until election day.
>> nbc's hallie jackson, thank you very much. meanwhile, the national republican senatorial committee is throwing more money into endangered senate races putting millions in missouri and north carolina and a super pac with ties to mitch mcconnell is dumping $25 million into six senate races as part of a last stand to save the chamber from falling into democratic hands. the destinations are telling from 4 million in indiana to 5 million in pennsylvania. and 7 million in nevada. in reno, republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham campaigned with joe heck locked in a tight race earlier this month heck yanked his endorsement of trump and was called out by the audience yesterday for refusing to reveal who he will vote for. and he responded to being mocked by president obama on his home turf. >> i think the president actually demeaned the presidency by resorting to middle school
name calling. >> what the heck? what the heck? heck, no. heck, no. heck, no. >> when are you going to tell people who you're voting for for president? >> it's my ballot. it's a personal decision who you vote for. it's a secret ballot just like your ballot is a secret ballot. >> joining us now a writer for "the fix." >> someone suggested yesterday that this was what donald trump is doing today by going to d.c. at his hotel is one of the worst time management moves by a presidential candidate. does this show his leadership? >> he's a businessman. >> the point is he's playing to a national audience always.
this is a thing i did. i get that angle. you're right. last week he was in pennsylvania where he's down by six points in polling. he doesn't seem to have a sense -- he's going to virginia where he's down by eight. he doesn't have a sense of where he should spend his time in a way to turn people out to the polls which he needs to do. he needs to turn people out than most republican candidates have in the past. >> does this highlight his business acumen saying i can do this in washington, d.c. and do it for you, too, or just a waste of time? >> hillary clinton is doing an event in florida at the exact same time. i think he's trying to help john heilemann and i get a paragraph or two for our book. >> that's out there. >> i think all of us have heard for many months now that trump's campaign strategy is intertwined with how will this impact my
business interests? we've heardhat for months. >> i hear the brand in some ways is taking a beating. >> we're so deep in the weeds that we see this as fatal i can't believe he's doing it. he'll be there for an hour. go to swing states. this isn't going to determine the outcome. what's more surprising today is that mike pence is going to utah where they are fighting for their lives in the state of utah. >> it's a national -- wherever he goes, it's chopping wood in rural alabama and everyone would see that image nationally. maybe it does make a difference. let's talk about mitch mcconnell for a second. he's mastered the nonanswer on donald trump. seriously. he's the best. he kind of grumbles and walks away. >> he is in a better position than paul ryan. he has a vocal side to his caucus that he needs to corral and keep in line and that's by having an olive branch to donald
trump. mitch mcconnell is not being asked questions about donald trump. i think donald trump to some extent -- he didn't really do them a favor by cutting off this relationship on the fund-raising yesterday. obviously they need the money. it does allow senate republican candidates to put some distance between themselves and donald trump in a concrete way which probably helps them in a lot of races. >> if you look at charlie cook as one example. he swung races over to the democratic side right now which would give the senate to democrats. if you look at $25 million from that super pac that supports mitch mcconnell plowed into seven different senate races, it shows you how concerned republicans are down ballot. >> absolutely. i was in nevada last week doing reporting on the senate race there and the speed with which that race has tightened, it's extraordinary. the turnaround in the last month when republicans were talking about how this was a seat they were confident they could pick up, now they're despondent over
it. you have different ways that the trump dynamic is playing out. in nevada, heck is being punished on the right for backing away from trump. and then in missouri, you have the opposite thing happening with roy blunt where he's not really getting any of the trump bounce despite not distancing himself or not being critical of trump at all in the hope of hanging onto those more hard right grassroots conservatives. so this is just playing out in the worst way possible it appears in a lot of different states. >> all right. jeremy peters, thank you very much. phillip bump, thank you for being on. coming up, the latest over outrage of national guard members being asked to pay back enlistment bonuses. now congress is looking into it. that's ahead on "morning joe." using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit...
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only stories both sides of the aisle seem to agree on this election cycle, the outrage continues to grow after nearly 10,000 national guard members were ordered to repay enlistment bonuses. and now the house oversight committee is asking the california national guard to turn over all documents relating to that demand calling it a serious matter saying officials involved will "be held accountable." nbc's anne thompson has more. >> reporter: the demand california national guard members pay back enlistment bonuses sparking fury online. it's a disgrace the way we treat our heroes. i'm disgusted by this action. outrageous treatment of vets. a petition calling on the defense department to forgive this error building support with #paythemback. >> if the government can bail out banks and others that have done wrong, it seems mind-boggling they can't bail out service members that put
their life on the line for this country. >> we did our duty. and now they're slapping us in the face for it. >> an audit revealed the california national guard improperly paid bonuses as it tried to boost ranks during the height of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. that led to a fraud investigation resulting in seven convictions. president obama requested an expedited appeals process for soldiers. the white house says while not supporting blanket forgiveness, the soldiers will not be held responsible for someone else's fraud. in paris, the secretary of defense promised action. >> we are going to look into it and resolve it. >> reporter: even in this costly campaign season, democrats and republicans unite in calls to stop collection efforts. now robert is fighting again appealing to keep his $20,000 bonus. >> i upheld my end of the bargain. >> reporter: having already paid with his service. >> anne thompson reporting
there. we hear about california because they had an audit. the california national guard said this happened all over the country so this thing could grow from california and become a 50-state problem for the pentagon. it's appalling on its face. i'm glad that they have all condemned it and said they'll do something. this has been going on for a long time. it has to be fixed now. >> enlistment bonuses were provided to people joining the national guard. they go to iraq or afghanistan. they serve their country. they come back and they're hounded by bill collectors because of bureaucrat mistakes, i'm sorry. stop it. >> pay them back. still ahead, can hillary clinton bring home all of those millennial voters her campaign spent hours and millions of dollars trying to win over. we'll have that story in our next hour. first, sheryl crow, yes, the sheryl crow, on this very program next. so what's your news? i t a jo i'll be programming at ge.
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lasted almost 600 days. we have the scars to prove it. sheryl just fell asleep. now there's a concerted effort to change that led in part by nine-time grammy winner sheryl crow launching an online petition to shorten the election calendar and writes this. i can't wait for this election to end. i know i am not alone in this. i don't think our country can or should tolerate another two years of this kind of disgraceful and vicious discourse. although we will all be leaving this election behind us in november, hallelujah, we can count on being hijacked again in two years when the next campaign cycle begins in earnest. i don't want that for my kids, my community or my country so i started a petition to limit the campaign season. i'm hoping everyone who is sick of what we have all just been subjected to will join me and sign the petition. where's the paper? >> change.org/make it short.
>> it's been long. not like you just -- you have grown up immersed in politics or surrounded by it. >> up immersed in politics. >> first i have to say hello to bernice and wendel crow. we watch this. >> hello. >> i grew up in a household that was very informed. i'm a dinosaur. we have walter kronkite. we had the newspaper and conversations. i was always privy who was running on my mom and dad's side. i was all the well versed in politics. i used to blog in a long time. >> oh, yeah. >> i haven't done it in a while. >> since then and now, what did you think changed. >> this has been an unusual scenario.
>> that's several days ago. >> like 600 years. >> i think social media's had a large play in it. i also think 24 hour news. two years of anything can only benefit the news media. >> right. >> and consultants, people who run elections. in the past month we've been talking about it. i feel like we're at a point where it's become entertainment value. >> white news. >> yes. >> people are tuning out. >> and a lot of angst, vitreole. >> is that the election length or the candidates though? >> well, certainly we are where we are as a country and this petition isn't going to change the quality of the candidates, it's not going to change -- i mean, there are lots of things i would love to address. money in elections. i would love to see term limits. this isn't going to touch any of
that, but this is a means for us to say, look, we do not want this anymore and we need to sit down in a thoughtful manner and figure out taking freedom of speech into account, how to shorten the length. if this were on the ballot right now as an issue, i guarantee you it would pass. >> that's what i was going to say. everyone listening to you right now, probably 100% saying, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. the question is how do you get from here to there. what are some things you think we could do to shorten "the cycle" up? >> it's tricky. freedom of speech comes into play. if you told ted cruz on november 10th you can't throw your name into the hat -- >> he's running already. >> i think there will be people who are always running. like i said, i'm not a policy maker. we have to do this thoughtfully. we might even look at what other countries do to keep their elections short. i think when we get to the point where it's two years it's no longer civilized. >> brittain, 38 days. somebody stands up in
parliament. i have a no confidence vote. >> i propose five days. three of those would be the debates. >> awesome. >> yeah. >> 38 days. >> well, clearly england is a lot smaller than the united states. we have a primary system. originally i thought let's put all the primaries on one day but then that really takes those who have statements like what obama did, he could not run against someone who's self-funded. we have to be thoughtful about this, but the objective is to figure out a way to reform our system. >> i'm just wondering if that could ever come to pass. a, given the exorbitant costs of a presidential campaign and the fact that you eluded to, there are people who make so much money off of presidential campaigns, consultants, tv ad buyers. it's almost like a vested industry within itself. i don't know that it can be stopped although a vast majority of the public would want the
campaigns shortened. >> i think that the petition is a means for people saying, look, we matter and people on capitol hill represent us. we are the constituency and you must listen to us. it's up to you to figure out a way to do this. whether it infringes on freedom of speech to say political tv ads can only be run from this moment forward, that does happen in other countries. we just have to look at this from the standpoint of if we can't run a civilized campaign within a certain amount of time, what should we do about this? at a certain point it's no longer about the issues. this is an election like i've never seen where it's been less about issues than anything else. >> issues. a lot of issues. they aren't out there. >> what do they stand for. >> say your mom's name. >> my mom is bernice. >> she watches every day? >> every day. here's a picture of bernice back in 1953. >> '53 or '54.
she won the american legion fair contest and got to escort our missouri president to the american legion fair. and that picture -- >> wow. >> -- hung in my hallway my whole life. every kid that knew me got greeted by that picture. >> that's a massive deal. i would like to see my children look at the office of the president of the united states as being something honorable and we have got to get back to a place where we're speaking more reasonably. >> we're a long way from there. >> so your mom and dad both watch. is it a split household? >> no, my father is now a democrat. sings the reagan years. >> that's nice. >> yes. it takes the pressure off me. i do want to say one thing, and that is a lot of people guess that they know my politics. i have been, as you know, pretty outspoken. >> yeah. >> i have not in this election been out on the campaign trail.
i have been quiet. this petition is simply an appeal from a midwestern mom. >> yeah. >> a single working mom who dives for the remote control before my kids can turn the tv on and see something that i'm going to have to explain. >> right. >> and if there are people that don't sign this petition because it's my name on it, i just want to say, this is a movement that is bigger than me. >> you know, you've shown great restraint in this interview. you've avoided a couple of opportunities that a lot of other people would have taken. >> yeah. >> that's very obvious that for you it's not about republicans or democrats or trump or clinton or anybody or even this campaign, it's about a bigger issue. >> it is. to be perfectly honest, it's made me really sad, the rhetoric and even just the divisiveness in my own community. i live in nashville, which is a fantastic place to live. please don't move the. but -- and a reasonable place and people care about issues, they care about their families and it's created a real
nervousness and it's taken some of the reason out of the dialogue. i would like to see it become a shorter campaign. >> two weeks to go. >> 13 days. >> less than two weeks. >> sheryl crow, thank you so much. it's great to see you again. >> thank you guys. >> see you tomorrow morning. i'll be in my pajamas, but i will see you. >> yes. i'm jealous. nashville and she has chickens. >> does she? >> but don't move there. >> but don't move there. it's a terrible place to live. do not move there. >> she so doesn't mean that. still ahead this morning, new numbers from two key swing states and what they mean for donald trump's narrow path to the presidency. plus -- >> mr. president, when did you first learn that hillary clinton used an e-mail system outside the u.s. government for official business while she was secretary of state? >> the same time everybody else learned it through news reports.
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editor of bloomberg politics, mark halpern. former communications director for president george w. bush, nicole wallace and in washington pulitzer prize winning columnist, eugene robinson. we begin with new numbers from two key swing states. a new poll released just moments ago shows donald trump pulling slightly ahead of hillary clinton in florida. the bloomberg politics poll conducted friday through monday shows trump in the lead, 45% to clinton's 43%. trump is -- >> okay. so let's freeze on this for one second. mark halpern, listen, it's -- i love what john heilman said if it's within the margin of error, let's not say somebody is ahead or losing. it's a tie. nicole would agree it's a tie based on this poll, but we do look at trend lines. again, a man who has had two to three to four of the worst weeks
ever and this week desecrating the getty'sburg battlefield with his speech accusing sexual accusers of doing things actionable in the court of law, he's up 2 in this poll in the state of florida. the trend lines are not as horrific as 99.98769% of people on my twitter feed would have america think. >> we discussed this on "with all due respect." it gets him to 265 electoral votes. he still doesn't have a path today to 270 or even to 265. but he's not deteriorated as badly in the battleground states. he just hasn't. but he's behind and there's no obvious way to win but with a surge, if there is some sort of hidden trump vote, he's in the game in a lot of these states. >> so, nicole, is there a -- it's hard to say just going off
of two days of polls, but we've had two national polls that have him 5 points behind when over the weekend he was 13, 14, 87 points behind. now we see a florida poll that has him tied. there's a nevada poll that came out yesterday that's horrific for him. there's an arizona poll that shows him sort of inching ahead. is there a natural tightening here? are republicans possibly some, quote, coming home as mike pence would say? >> i don't think they recognize home necessarily, but i think it's what we've been talking about for many, many months, people are just not that excited about either one of them. for a lot of people it's not a vote for one or the other, it's a vote against the other. i think as much as people are sort of hardened in their ways, the truest thing he probably has said all year is that he could walk out of fifth avenue and shoot people and his supporters wouldn't flee. his supporters are about that. his supporters are with him.
in it for the long haul. they don't care about the things he says and does but it also represents, i know we've never believed there's a ceiling, i still don't, but it sort of represents his limits and it's why he doesn't have a path to win this thing. he's not going to lose in the landslide that some of the national polls would suggest. >> his strength in our poll is with independents where he's doing better than she is and better than mitt romney did in florida. look, there are going to be some republicans that come out, look at what's been in the news since that poll was taken. it's been more about the affordable care act over the last day before the poll or after the poll but also about the e-mails and some of the questions people have about her trustworthiness. five points nationally is a landslide. >> it is. five points is a landslide nationally that's why we're talking about trend lines. say also which, of course, people in the press won't like to hear, there also is as a republican there is a natural reaction to press bias, and it has been so overwhelming even if it has been earned.
the media has taken sides. they've aggressively taken sides and they've admitted we are aggressively taking sides. and i think you get some republicans that see that every four years. they do that every four years. it's like the end of the world because they're racist, it's like the boy who cried wolf. also, willie, sometimes it's such a confounding election where we go back and forth on what it's about, i think mike barnacle has said all along that it's about hillary clinton. people say, oh, yeah, i'm going to vote for hillary clinton as a protest against -- right. >> -- then after sitting on that thought for a couple of weeks they go, ah, maybe not. >> well, that's the only reason it's close in some of these places is because donald trump, who's had relentlessly negative coverage, and he's earned it, for months and months and months and months. >> let's say he's worked really hard for it. >> he's earned all of that. the fact that he's in a coin
toss in florida, ohio, arizona, all of those states, that speaks a lot to hillary clinton as well. >> that's remarkable. >> the problem for him is he would have to win almost every one of those coin tosses. he'd have to win all of those. >> plus something else. >> right. then he has to win the -- >> and they can't even answer what that something else -- >> that's the problem at the end of the day, he's got to win all of the tossups, which if you look at the tossups, florida, north carolina, ohio, iowa, arizona where he's ahead, nevada which some polls show it's there, he can win all of those and it wouldn't be a shock. he should win all of those as a republican. even if he does all of that and wins all of the romney states, he's at 266. he still has to win new hampshire, wisconsin, or colorado. for some reason they think they have a shot at winning colorado. i don't. >> well, they have to think they have a shot of winning one of those places or giving up. but, look, north carolina is still tough for trump.
and our poll notwithstanding, florida is not a gimme. but i don't understand why democrats are saying it's over. it's been over for months. if one guy gets to 265, then who knows. but he's still behind. >> well, democrats say that because they see him down 7 in north carolina, they see -- they don't -- she doesn't need to win florida. it's not an irrational or unreasonable assessment of where the race stands today, but that it could be that close that he could get to 265 is the revelation, i think, with the kind of week he's had. >> right. you know, surrogates are -- newt gingrich screaming at the top of his lungs at megyn kelly about being obsessed and fascinated with sex, they're losing their minds. they're not acting like a campaign that's going to close strong. >> so we were talking about arizona. and the new poll gives donald trump the edge there. the monmouth university poll finds trump with 46% support to hillary clinton's 45%.
johnson at 4%. among those who have already voted, clinton is leading by a 10-point margin, 52 to 42 while trump is ahead with those who have yet to vote, 49% to 41%. clinton is competing hard in the state with 32 field offices. >> but she may have 32 field offices, but donald trump has zero so, there. >> okay. >> that's like my high school football coach would tell the press. yes, we're small but we're slow, too. >> oh. and clinton is up with the new spanish ad featuring a young undocumented woman praising clinton's immigration plan saying trump will deport millions. let's move on to the latest data dump p by wikileaks. raising new questions over how much president obama knew about hillary clinton's private e-mail server during her time as
secretary of state. they have not been independently authenticated by nbc news. the clinton campaign and the u.s. intelligence officials have continued to blame russia for these hacked e-mails. in march of last year during an interview the president said he had learned about clinton's use of the private server from news reports. >> he learns a lot from news reports we've found over the years. >> a hacked e-mail exchange suggests that may not have been the case. clinton spokesman josh schwerens allegedly highlighted obama's comments in an e-mail to other staffers. you probably have more on this but it looks like potus said he found out hrc was using his personal e-mail when he saw it in the news. cheryl mills who was clinton's former chief of staff immediately followed up in an alleged exchange with podesta saying we need to clean this up. he, meaning obama, has e-mails from her. they do not say state.gov. two days after that exchange
white house press secretary josh earnest said the president knew about secretary clinton's e-mail address because of their own e-mail exchanges. he added the president was not aware of the nature of the server or the extent clinton used it. donald trump seized on the alleged revelations yesterday during a campaign stop. >> as you may remember, president obama claimed to have no knowledge whatsoever of clinton's -- hillary clinton's illegal e-mail server. i have no knowledge of it. i don't know. this guy, he's as bads she is. obama, he had to know that hillary was using an illegal server but he claimed otherwise. so that means obama is now into the act and now i understand that despite his hatred of the clintons, because i know one thing, bill hates him, but despite his hatred, now i understand he pushed her, because he didn't want to get caught up in the big lie.
he's caught up now, folks. we have to investigate the investigation. this investigation. >> news for trump. >> i want to move on. there's more. >> i love -- >> a separate exchange from this latest wikileaks data dump shows one clinton ally and her campaign chairman allegedly clashed over the e-mail server. the reported conversation took place between tanden and podesta. she wrote i highly recommend, followed by she, clinton, start making positive news soon. podesta responds, really? that's great advice. that's a good point. thank you, nira. he allegedly continued calling out several clinton staffers saying, speaking of transparency, our friends david kendall, cheryl mills and phillip reinus sure weren't
forthcoming on the facts here. all three worked at the state department with clinton. tanden allegedly added this is a cheryl special. you know you love her, but this stuff is like her achilles heel or kryptonite. she just can't say no to this, followed by an expletive. wow. tanden later allegedly asked by clinton's team didn't get information about the server out sooner before allegedly responding, i guess i know the answer. they wanted to get away with it. >> gene, first of all, i pull the myself at the top of the list would be horrified if the e-mails of the last decade of any of us were revealed. horrified. i would crawl under a rock. especially this morning's e-mail about the wi-fi server. >> you sent a doozy. >> you do not want to read that e-mail. >> yeah, i make no apologies. >> you should apologize. >> that said, john podesta and robby mook and some other people in this campaign newer to sort
of the clinton circle really come off as good guys, people fighting for transparency against, unfortunately, cheryl mills, phillip reins, david kendall and the old guard. it's almost as if the new guard is saying these people need to stop the stuff that always gets the clintons in trouble. it actually gives me a sense of hope that she had the wisdom to actually put some people around her that want transparency. >> well, you know, is it a surprise to anyone that the clintons have a very tight set of friends and aides who have been with them for a long time and that -- i tend to agree with you. >> who were paranoid and work against their best interests politically. >> well, you know, at times they certainly have done that. >> lots of times. >> i tend to agree with you that
it's kind of a breath of fresh air that you have a widening circle. still ahead on "morning joe," are there signs that hillary clinton is actually beginning to win over the youth vote? roman pharaoh joins us to talk about whether making time for millennials will pay off for her in less than two weeks. plus -- >> now according to donald trump, a woman who fights back is a nasty woman. well, all i can say is, i've got news for donald trump and richard perr, and that is, nasty women vote in north carolina. am i right? are you ready to get these men out of our lives forever? yes! >> elizabeth warren tries to help send some of her republican colleagues packing while out on the campaign trail. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. what's ilike to be igood hands? like finding neways
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get this, donald, nasty women are tough. nasty women are smart. and nasty women vote. and on november 8th we nasty women are going to march our nasty feet to cast our nasty votes to get you out of our lives forever! donald trump called latinos rapists and murderers. kelly stuck with him. trump called african-americans thugs and kelly stuck with him. trump attacked a gold star family and kelly stuck with him. trump even attacked kelly ayotte and called her weak and kelly stuck with him. donald trump sure has made kelly ayotte dance. day one she loves him. day two she hates him.
day three she's back with him. donald trump is right, kelly is weak. now donald trump's been out there. he hasn't been hiding who he is. he's been out there from the very beginning. he's been out there, and where has your senator, richard burr been all this time? trump calls women fat pigs and bimbos and brags about sexually assaulting women and richard burr is like a puppy on a leash sticking right there with donald trump. so -- if richard burr is just going to be donald trump's lap dog, then let him go off and do that, but the people of north carolina need a strong, independent voice to fight for the families of north carolina and that is deborah ross.
>> nicole, what do you think? >> i would -- i would -- if i were -- i would give joe biden all of her events. i just don't think she does it for the kinds of people that are on the fence about hillary clinton. i don't think that's her best surrogate for these closing weeks, and if i were making strategic decisions in the clinton camp -- >> i couldn't laugh. she was trying to push it away. then she just -- >> i just -- i don't -- the people that are going to be psyched about that nasty version of the -- i mean, that's -- those people should already be excited about hillary clinton. and i don't think that's the kind of message that brings around the kind of swing voters that we've all been out the last few weeks. >> maybe not. they need to energize the base. >> they're not energized ten days out they have bigger problems than trying to win arizona and georgia. i don't think that's a closing message. coming up on "morning joe," espn has their -- >> what's your favorite 30 for third? >> miami hurricanes.
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kellyanne conway speaking earlier. joining us from tampa, florida, nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker covering the campaign of hillary clinton. kristen, today, hillary clinton turns 69 years old. what's she doing? and beyond that, how are they feeling with all these wikileaks that continue to come out every day? >> reporter: right. it continues to overshadow her campaign. there's no doubt about that, willie. to your first question, she has two events in florida today including here in tampa. she got a little bit of an early birthday president yesterday, an endorsement from colin powell. this is yet another republican saying he is backing secretary clinton. he was critical of secretary clinton for the fact that he said she tried to put the whole e-mail controversy on him. so the campaign touting that. in terms of florida, secretary clinton getting news today that donald trump is up two points in the polls.
the clinton campaign sees floridas a a fire wall. they're going to be focusing on states like florida where early voting is underway. they anticipate as many as 60% of floridians could weigh in before election day. states like nevada and iowa, north carolina as well. secretary clinton ramping up her closing argument, willie. trying to shift to a more positive tone and we're seeing that play out in two ads
narrated by morgan freeman. in one it puts the focus on the work she's done with women and families. take a look. >> our children, they look up to us, what we value, how we treat others. and now they're looking to see what kind of leaders we choose, who we'll entrust our country and their future to. will it be the one respected around the world or the one that
frightens our allies and emboldens our enemies. the one with a deep understanding or the one who is unprepared for them? a steady hand or a loose cannon? >> reporter: secretary clinton also wrapping up her outreach to the critical latino community appearing last night on the univision show where she was given a bottle of tequila for her birthday, by the way. so i anticipate you'll see some birthday celebrations
today, willie. she's out with some new spanish language ads in arizona, the traditionally red state where the clinton campaign is making a play. the wikileaks continues to over shadow her campaign. we got new e-mails yesterday including one from nira tanden to john podesta. she thinks the clinton campaign is trying to sweep the e-mail controversy under the rug. secretary clinton hasn't addressed that yet. one issue that's over shadowing
her campaign. another one, the revelation about the health care premiums, the fact that they are going up. that's something that the obama administration has been on defense about and secretary clinton will today if she gets questions about it. >> picking through a batch of new e-mails. we were totally mesmerized by morgan freeman. we're going to go watch "shaw shank" again. >> speaking of mesmerized. >> yeah. >> you want to show me a campaign ad. one of the best campaign ads ever. >> ever. >> i have ever seen. and it comes from, what, like a texas county commissioner. >> texas county commissioner, i believe in houston. >> travis county. >> gerald daughtry. >> gerald daughtry and his wife is the star. >> she's the star. >> oh, my gosh. >> we could probably get it up and show it. >> did you guys work on that? >> don't you have it? >> instantly? >> i know we don't have a
working wi-fi system here -- >> that's why they can't get it. we'll get that. it's hilarious. >> by far the best ad. >> she's begging to put her husband to work. >> please get this man out of my house. >> he's got the ad. let's watch this. free advertising, national advertising for texas county commissioner race. i don't know if he's a republican, i don't know if he's a democrat. i don't care. i'm voting for him. i'm moving to texas to vote for him because of this ad. >> gerald really doesn't have any hobbies. >> last year's tax rate we can take it down to 3838. >> so is he always like that? >> yeah, all the time. >> we've got three light rail cars. you can put 60 people on each car so even if you add two cars you're talking about maybe 300 people that are affected.
there are a million people in this community. i mean, that is .01 to the eighth power if you round it off it's zero. >> got this 18-wheeler parked in this neighborhood spewing fumes all over the place.
quite frankly it's not a code violation. >> you know, i think i like helping around the house here. >> please re-elect gerald, please. >> that is a great political ad. >> my god -- >> travis county is austin, austin, texas. >> okay. >> i don't know what his party is that's a good ad. >> his wife dieing silently, and i love the guy holding a beer while he's talking. >> tax rates. >> tax rates. oh, my god. what a great -- >> wild dinner parties they have. >> look at that. >> good segue. >> the new series yahoo! news is out with, 16 in 2016.
highlights 16 people, places and moments that have shaped the year. the unemployed west virginia miner who confronted clinton about putting the coal industry out of business.
>> i want to know how you can say you're going to put coal miners out of jobs and come in here and tell us how you're going to be our friend because those people out there don't see you as a friend. >> i know that, bo, and, you know, i don't know how to explain it other than what i said was totally out of context from what i meant because i have been talking about helping coal country for a long time. >> the news and finance anchor at yahoo. why was that such a significant moment in this campaign. >> it stood out for a lot of americans. he represents an industry that hillary clinton said she wants to get rid of, she wants to find renewable jobs. he represents the faces of thousands of people that have actually lost work in that industry. i flew out to west virginia and met with him and his lovely wife lauren and three children. 39 years old. lost his job last year. and he's still looking for work. this was an industry he thought he'd be working in until his
retirement. so he spoke with hillary clinton. he appreciated her candor. he said he's still going to begrudgingly vote for donald trump. and i asked him about trump's plan and why it appealed to him. we pulled into his town. there were signs everywhere. trump for coal, trump for coal. and i asked him about it and here's what he told me. >> one of my biggest issues with him as well was what are the logistics in how you're going to do that? it's easy to say, well, we're going to do this. i want to know how. when you have large companies like arch coal that i used to work for that have filed bankruptcy, people that have closed down mines and left, what are you willing -- what are you going to do that is going to make it attractive to come back into these areas and build these businesses back up? i want to know what his plans are to sustain it, to make it attractive enough to reopen mines and fight through the bankruptcies and continue on. >> did you get an answer that
you thought was substantive enough? >> i've never heard that answer, no. >> so he hasn't heard that answer for donald trump. interestingly enough, when i asked him who he would have voted for out of all the 16 republican candidates, he said ben carson appealed to him the most and he won't be voting for hillary clinton, he'll be voting for donald trump, but as you heard him say, he doesn't believe he has a plan yet. >> you know, it's interesting what he said and what he represents in this rather issueless election because of the two strong personalities running. we are in a period of time that you can measure against the industrial revolution a century ago when we went from an agrarian economy to an industrial economy. we are now going from the 20th century economy into an economy dominated by artificial intelligence, robotics, technology. he is caught in it along with millions and millions of other americans. >> he really does need to hear the how, how we're going to get through this. >> yeah. >> how is this going to happen? i feel like donald trump has
sort of deflected against having to explain by doing all the other. >> the problem is, nobody can explain. the problem is that our political system does not allow us to get candidates that can go out and explain. how are you going to make things different in western pennsylvania where a machine can now do the work that 100 men did 50 years ago? how do you explain that? >> now to be fair, between the two candidates, hillary clinton does have a $30 billion plan to help for renewable energy, rehire, retrain a lot of these people who have lost their jobs, but for people like bo, he didn't feel that he was authentic enough in connecting with him and i think her words resonated with a lot of his friends and colleagues when she says, you know, sort of blanketly, i'm going to end this industry and get rid of these jobs. >> that was a real moment where hillary clinton went outside of the bubble for whatever reasons and she went somewhere where it
was difficult, where she had to confront, you know, workers -- >> reality. >> -- and i thought that was a good moment for her. obviously it's not going to change a lot of votes. it's not going to have a big impact in west virginia, but it may have an impact elsewhere. there are some other great moments that the 16 people in 2016 -- i see j.d. vance on there. >> great book. yeah. and the khans who now have resonated so far beyond that moment at the convention speech. mr. khan now campaigning for hillary clinton in the state of virginia this week. that's had a lasting impact. >> pat smith who lost her son in benghazi as well. i think we can all sort of say that the 2016, what was a fog and a haze, but so many people touched our lives, too, throughout this campaign. out with a few of them to get their stories. >> yahoo's list of the people, places and moments that have shaped this election is up on yahoo.com.
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just an incredible stunning piece of architecture, hotel, first class hotel and everybody's hair is on fire. >> as we said earlier, we agree about adele. you get a chance to see adele, you see adele. just do it. donald trump's campaign manager kellyanne conway on hillary clinton attending an adele concert last night. while adele cannot vote, she joins a long list of celebrities supporting hillary clinton. many of whom actively working on getting millennials to come out and vote. nbc investigative correspondent ronan farrow who is looking at how hillary clinton and donald trump are fairing. >> that's exactly right. this demographic is like a white whale for these candidates. it says hillary clinton may be surging among the elusive millennials like yours truly. whether that's a trend is very much a question. under those numbers, you guys, there is a whole other story. it's important to look at how much anger there is, how much
disappointment there is. that's exactly what we did. we talked to this group of voters that could very well decide the future of this country. >> i've heard many people say that they're just so frustrated with like how the candidates turned out, that they don't want to vote at all. >> young people are being left behind. >> we're voting for the party but none of us are very excited. >> meet the voting block that could make or break the election. millennials, 18 to 34-year-olds, now represent 69.2 million voters, almost as many as baby boomers. and in the 2008 and 2012 elections they turned out in nearly record numbers. propelling barack obama to victory. but this time around could be another story. a growing movement dubbed nobody 2016 has taken off with a popular hashtag and hundreds of thousands of likes on facebook reflecting a lack of enthusiasm for hillary clinton and donald trump. according to a recent nbc news wall street journal poll of 18 to 34-year-olds, 70% have an unfavorable opinion of trump
while 36% of them dislike clinton. >> the majority of young people are skeptical. there is a potential risk for young people to have a lower turnout. >> reporter: she directs circle, a nonpartisan research project on young voters at tufts university. candidates haven't sufficiently emphasized millennial voters. >> only 30% of millennials have been contacted by campaigns and outside groups. >> they're not contacting on issues that millennials care about. these students responded to our call for millennial voters who feel fed up. some are frustrated with hillary clinton. >> i think it's definitely that she's out of touch. >> bernie sanders did a great job, but afterwards the broader topics and ideas were kind of left out. >> others worry donald trump is pushing voters away. >> they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> the rhetoric is just a huge problem. we'vot a lot of problems with
sexual assault and we see it with our friends. >> i think that it's really going to damage our party in future years. >> for a lot of our members, mr. trump wasn't their first choice, he wasn't mine. mine was a little more personal for me. >> alex is the head of the college republicans and the son of governor scott walker. a candidate in this year's republican primary. >> do you think that those comments from trump have pushed away young republicans? >> absolutely. >> but you're voting for him? >> i am. >> some have labeled them apathetic or lazy. >> come on, millennials, i know we [ bleep ] things up for you but we were counting on you to fix them not finish the job. >> reporter: students are fighting that perception. they set about juggling mid terms with registering students to vote. >> even if i had made a few students excited to vote, like that was my goal. >> reporter: how much negativity do you see about these candidates? >> so much. it's disheartening. >> the message as always is simple. >> if you're a young person, go
vote. go vote. even if you're not a young person, go vote. >> reporter: so what this all translates into on election day is still a very big question mark. overall young voters are registering at pretty similar rates to 2012. their data reveals this vast swell of negativity. another big factor, a new wave of voter i.d. laws around the country. that could very well be an obstacle when millennials get to the polls if they decide to. >> we'll see if they turn out. ronan farrow, thanks very much. >> thanks to ronan. still ahead on "morning joe," donald trump spent yesterday talking on the trail about obamacare. he's already up and tweeting this morning to repeal and replace it. we'll talk to dr. zeke emmanuel, one of the architects of the affordable care act about the double digit price hikes coming to many and whether the law is sustainable. "morning joe" is coming right back. the image on the surface book, transports you into the world
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you remember the promise that obama made. obama made the promise very simply, you got to keep your doctor, you got to keep your plan and the average family was going to save $2500 a year. >> nothing happened. >> you didn't get to keep your doctor, you didn't get to keep your plan and the average family spends 2500 dpz more now than they did before. >> that was eric trump campaigning against obamacare yesterday. former white house advisor, dr. ezekiel emmanuel. he's often called one of the
architects of the affordable care act. >> how's that working for you right now, zeke? >> the craziest thing in the world. >> be honest. zeke only worked on the part of the affordable care act -- >> that wasn't crazy. >> -- that's causing increases 25%. >> i'm all for it. >> what's going on? how does the affordable care act survive in 2017-2018. >> didn't it pass the supreme court? >> i'm saying practically, how does it survive without costs continuing to go up like this? >> so let's make two points. first of all, 83% of people in the exchanges actually get subsidies andhey are going to be held almost harmless by these increases. they're actually not going to see the increases because their subsidies rise to cover the premiums. the second thing, joe, most people think this is a one-time adjustment because initially the insurance companies miscalculated the premiums not knowing who was going to come in. this is going to be an
adjustment. the next president is going to have to make some modifications, god willing the congress will go along to actually fix problems that we know have existed. >> like what? what's the most important adjustment that needs to be made now? >> one of them is to resume the risk corridors and reinsurance issues for the insurers to decrease the risk. second one is to get more young people in by using social marketing. >> there's no incentives. >> you are pointing out a problem which a lot of people want to fix. off cycle getting in for circumstances, unusual circumstances is a loophole that has been, some people think, abused.
>> let's talk about the mental health crisis that is gripping your family right now. chicago cubs going down to one game to none. emmanuel on suicide watch right now. he is not doing well. >> no. >> oh, no, i've got a tweet from him. i got a tweet from him. he wants to say yes to people. we're going to see each other and watch the game together. >> it will be fantastic when the cubs win. >> we will see you there sunday. >> all right. >> dr. zeke emmanuel. that does it for us this morning. stephanie rule picks up the coverage. >> thanks so much, mika. i'm stephanie rule. let's get down to business. why? because there are 13 days left and donald trump is spending today doing what? opening a trump hotel. >> one of the great