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hillary, to take the message that trump was carrying. don't lead the rejection of trump to reject his entire message. "all in" with chris haes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> congratulations, newt, on last night. that was an amazing interview. we don't play games, newt. >> no country for old men. >> you want to go back to the tapes of your show recently. you are fascinated with sex. >> the gop civil war turns bloody tonight as trump and his allies lash out more evidence in an actual gop revolution could be happening. plus 13 days to election day. why republicans are already talking about another clinton impeachment. why are democrats leaving the rubio race in florida? why president obama's campaign so punish republicans isn't really anything new. >> we've got to close the gap a little bit between the rhetoric
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and the reality. >> and in maryland, a master class on how to crash into a debate. >> if you don't mind leaving the stage at this point so we can continue with this debate. >> i am a candidate on the ballot. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris haes. 13 days to the election, republicans may be about to lose control of the senate. their presidential nominee is trailing his opponent by ten points in one new national poll. while hillary clinton's favorability numbers have polled about even, a big shift from six months ago when a majority of voters viewed her unfavorably, donald trump remains 30 points under water. making him the least popular modern-day candidate in history. with early voting under way now would be the time for the republican party to try and get together to save its prospects. but as election day approaches and the pressure builds, the civil war brewing over the past 16 months is now threatening to
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tear the party completely apart. the gop crackup is on full display during a fox news segment last night in which host megan kelly and trump supporter newt gingrich discussed the sexual misconduct allegations against donald trump. >> you are fascinated with sex and you don't care about public policy. >> me, really? >> that's what i get out of watching you tonight. >> you know what, mr. speaker, i'm not fascinated by sex, but i am fascinated by the protection of women and understanding what we're getting in the oval office. and i think the american voters would like to know -- >> therefore, we're going to send bill clinton back to the east wing because, after all, you are worried about sexual predators. i dare you, say bill clinton sexual predator. disbarred by the arkansas bar. >> excuse me. excuse me. >> $850,000 penalty. >> excuse me, sir. we on the kelly file have covered the clinton matter as well. we've hosted kathleen willy. we've covered the examples of him being accused as well, but
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he's not on the ticket. and the polls also show that the american public. >> he'll be in the east wing. >> in the deeds of hillary clinton's husband than they are in the deeds of the man who asks us to make him president, donald trump. we're going to have to leave it at that. and you can take your anger issues and spend some time working on them, mr. speaker. >> trump responded on twitter with sounded what was a threat. megyn kelly made a total fool out of herself tonight attacking donald trump. watch what happens to her after this election is over. in this case against former chairman roger ailes lately an informal trump adviser. megyn kelly's own testimony against ailes was a key part of the decision to oust him from the network. the man now accusing her of being fascinated with sex, newt gingrich, who famously led the republican crusade over bill clinton's life sex who later admitted to cheating on his wife, gingrich is now on a third
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marriage. there are all kinds of divisions in the republican party but at least in the tape where trump can be heard bragging about his behavior towards women, it's become an all-out gender war. several diyed in the wool conservative women are concerned about the predatory behavior by the republican nominee. a judge in texas went so far as to publicly announce she's leaving the party. >> quite frankly, i cannot associate with a party that would tolerate such antagonism and hatred. i cannot sit idly by and watch as this abhorrent disease continues to infect what was once an honorable and respectable political party of the past. >> the gingrich/kelly confrontation revealed fox news is itself a locus for the political strife. the host right after megan kelly is sean hannity whose advocacy
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for his candidate seems to know no bounds. witness this tweet. a whole bunch of guns labeled with media institutions all aimed at trump's head. shout out to msnbc. one of those is gop elites. in an interview with "the washington post" hannity specifically name checked house speaker paul ryan calling him a saboteur who needs to be called out and replaced. and saying he would actively urge hardline conservatives to challenge him for the speakership. "the new york times" shows that forces in the trump campaign or on capitol hill are planning to continue their battle against gop leadership after election day. ohio congressman warren davidson told the times you can't ignore what millions of people have expressed in this election cycle. of course, millions and millions of people also expressed virulent opposition to donald trump and many of them live in utah, a state that mitt romney won by almost 50 points four years ago. trump is doing so poorly in utah
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virtually tied with independent candidate evan mcmullen in a new poll, he had to send his running mate there today less than two weeks before the election. >> the truth of the matter is there's only two names on that ballot that have a chance to be president of the united states of america. and a vote for any candidate other than donald trump bottom line is a vote to make hillary clinton the 45th president of the united states. >> mcmullin came out of nowhere to mount a real challenge in utah. he's not just running a longshot for president, he's building a brand-new political party. joining me now jen if rubin from "the washington post" and mckay coppins. it is sort of remarkable, the polling -- we don't have great and superreliable polling out of utah. but the polling we have shows a guy who has an impressive resume for someone mounting their first congressional run, right? >> when you and i first talked the day he announced, i said
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something like he's impressive for a capitol hill aide, which is what he was. policy director for the house gop. >> this is the heart decrease mormon voters are reliably republican, reliably conservative have complete rejected donald trump in a way that no constituency has with the same sort of fervor. mcmullin is trying to build some sort of new anti-trump movement. >> from the beginning he's been saying he wants to build a new conservative movement. he's centered his campaign in salt lake city in the mountain west where there's a large mormon population. i went to a mcmullin rally. the most mormon seen i've ever said. i can say that as a mormon. young families and everything. he sounds a lot like a traditional conservative republican, pro-life, pro-trade. half of his stump speech is about rejecting the strain of racism and religious bigotry
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that run through the party. he got the loudest cheers from his crowd of like a thousand people when he talked about that stuff. and i think that's really when you get down to the core of why mormons are rejecting trump. that's a big part of it. >> jennifer, you've been writing particularly on this sort of misogyny that's been brought to the surface, i think the reaction to donald trump. a party of angry white abusive males. i want you to respond. donald trump gets up there today at his hotel at a bizarre and surreal event even by the standards of trump before the election at his hotel, the first thing he does is give newt a shout out for his interview with megyn kelly. >> congratulations, newt, last night, that was an amazing interview. that was an amazing -- we don't play games, newt. right? we don't play games. >> what does that say to you? >> i mean, this is preposterous.
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this is exactly why women, married women, white women, nonwhite women, any kind of woman you can think of are deserting the republican nominee in droves. the republicans for a while have had a problem with single women. now that's spread really to the entire gender. i think what they're demonstrating here is a sort of behavior, indifference, cruelty, bulliness that is really more than a problem for one election. it's a tone and it's an attitude that's going to hav a taint that's going to last lon after this. it's interesting that evan mcmullin has a vice presidential running mate that's a woman. mindy fin. they are talking about a new generation, much more tolerant, perhaps more on the libertarian side on issues like gay marriage. i think there's a thirst for this because women and other people are horrified by what they see from donald trump. >> what jennifer is saying and mcmullin, so there's a rejection of this aggressive and explicit
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bigotry. >> sure. >> explicit misogyny in a way. but there's also this question about what the heck is this party? which in some ways is the great subtext in this. in many ways the party has reconciled with the failure of george w. bush as president of the united states. in some ways that's what led trump win. he was anti-jeb bush. that what you build after that, what you build is the alternative to trump is still not clear to me if the answer is just tax cut for the top, at the top marginal rate, foreign interventions and military deployments in the middle east, et cetera. >> but this is why i think mcmullin's play is utah is so interesting. because utah is a weird red state. it's a very commune it arian state. i don't think they've really thought through. they are really talking about building a third party after this election, the new
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conservative party. i don't think they fully thought through what that stands for, but they'll have to grapple with more than just donald trump as the foil. they'll have figure outside what they stand for beyond that. >> jennifer, to me, you talked about not putting the genie back in the bottle. it does seem to me that all of these deep structural fissures in the party will be spackled over by anti-clinton hatred. the thing that unites everyone. the o thing that unites everyone singeing off the same hymnal is how monstrous hillary clinton is. pretty soon there will be an opportunity to do nothing but that. >> today you had jason chaffetz announcing for unknown reasons he's already going to begin investigating her. for what, i don't know. she hasn't won the election yet. i found that amusing. that's the danger that they go on a witch hunt after hillary clinton and they don't look at these issues. the problem with the party is they have two halves that have
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been smushed together that can no longer coexist. one is a populist lower scale white mostly male middle class which is virulently anti-immigrant. it has the strain of misogyny and the other traditional main street republican or country club republican who wants smaller government who are used to having professional women in their midst who understand that immigration and trade are good for america and i don't think these two halves of the party can coexist. >> what the republican primary taught is there aren't enough of those people because in a country with stagnating wages in a country circumscribed geographically that string of people don't give you voters. >> they do if you don't have 17 candidates. they didn't get a majority of the gop primary electorate. and he's probably going to do an all-time rotten job in terms of the electorate -- >> that's enough to win the
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republican plrimary. but that's not at all clear that that's enough to win the presidency. >> the party, under whatever they call it and however they do it, will have to figure out how to put together a coalition of people who on one hand reject libber at statism, on the other hand reject this sort of clown show that has been going on in the party now for eight or 12 or however long. so i think it is going to be a challenge. do i think that there's a sane alternative? i do. that will be the challenge for the next four years. >> do you agree with me that the spackle will be applied immediately -- >> oh, sure. >> nothing set in stone. we're looking at probabilities like everyone else. but it was amazing to me. you felt this at the rnc in cleveland. these people really hate each other and the ted cruz booing. the one thing that got everybody excited was the -- >> it was like the safe space. the one place you can go, talk about the weather. what's the polite conversation?
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hillary clinton should be in jail. we all agree on that. republicans are going to do that after this election. i don't know, though, beneath the surface there are still going to be these divides. >> it's going to manifest in deep freudian idea here that if you depress, the neuroses become even more pathological. i do believe it will lead to more insane acting out. jennifer rubin, mckay coppins. they have no intention of stopping the string of investigations into hillary clinton. i'll talk to elijah cummins after this two-minute break. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase i card i bought allhe framewo wire... plts needed to give mshop... a ce... no one will forget.
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funny. did you have any in-person briefings? i don't find it funny at all. >> i'm sorry. a little note of levity at 7:15. >> that was more than seven hours into hillary clinton's 11-hour testimony at the benghazi hearings. it was supposed to be the shining moment for a congressional investigation that already stretched on longer than the watergate committee. surely getting her on the record would justify the millions of taxpayer dollars spent trying to prove there was some scandal with regards to secretary clinton and benghazi. >> what new things did you learn today? >> oh, i think some of jimmy jordan's questioning -- well, when you say new today, i mean, we knew some of that already. we knew about the e-mails. in terms of her testimony? >> mm-hmm. >> i don't know that she testified that much differently today than she has the previous times she's testified. i would have to go back and look at the transcript. >> the point of this investigation didn't ultimately seem to be about the results it produced but rather the whiff of
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wrongdoing that comes with continuous probes. they're already preparing for years of investigations of clinton if elected president. the chair jason chaffetz saying it's a target-rich environment. even before we get to day one we have two years of material lined up. she has four years of history at the state department and it ain't good. the president of the conservative organization judicial watch put it more bluntly. i know this generation of republican leaders is loathe to exercise these tools, but impeachment is something that's relevant said tom fitton who has criticized gop lawmakers for failing to preemptively impeach hillary clinton. joining me elijah cummings, and congressman, given your role both on the select benghazi committee and darrell is committee of reform, what do you hear having been in the trenches
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when you hear jason chaffetz and others talk like this? >> i hear that they want to obstruct hillary clinton when she becomes president, and will do anything in their power to destroy her efforts. they have been obstructionists all along with regard to president obama for the last six years putting every kind of road block tau can imagine in his way. and they like the idea of being able to say that the president of the united states is under investigation. and so they will spend millions upon millions of dollars as we already spent in benghazi and other investigations of taxpayer dollars on this mission of destruction and distraction. >> in fact, i believe congressman jim jordan on that select committee that chairman gowdy referenced i think even said today that the benghazi committee, which is one of the
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longest in american history released an 800-page report that that should keep going. >> yes, about two months ago we thought we were at our last meeting which the benghazi select committee and they held that one in secret in a classified setting. and we thought we were coming to the last meeting only to be told that it might be ongoing. and at some point, the republicans need to learn that the american people both democratic, republican, independent and others want us to be about the business of solving their problems. they're tired of the destruction and distraction. distracting us from the issues that we need to be addressing like education and health care and things of that nature and being able to put a halt to these unreasonable jumps in prices of prescription drugs. and so it's the same old, same
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old. and this cannot be. we've got to address this. because it's very, very sad and very, very unfortunate. before hillary clinton even becomes president, they're already saying -- using the word "impeachment." and hopefully we'll have a democratic congress and democratic senate, hopefully we'll be able to get around some of this. >> you raise impeachment, which is a specter that's been raised by judicial watch, a veteran of the first impeachment of bill clinton. do you think there will be immediate motivation among your republican colleagues in the house? >> yes. i think that you have a situation where they have -- they are disappointed in mr. trump. and so now you've got people cruz -- i know he's in the senate -- and ryan talking about
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things that they want to do to continue all of these investigations. and they know that this is an effort to basically do what leta mccarthy said was being done with the benghazi select committee, that is to destroy any chances that hillary clinton will have -- assuming she wins -- of having a second term. they have a lot of incentive to do this. that is, from day one, actually before day one, begin this drum beat of investigation, investigation, investigation, trying to block her from the things that the american people will want her to do. and so i'm going to do everything in my power to try to make sure that we stay on a course to achieve the things that the american people want us to achieve. it's not going to be easy. but i think we have to stay focused on those things. >> it strikes me for a party that is very fractured right now, that has a lot of internal
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divisions, that uniting against hillary clinton, pouring the energy of the party across its entire geographical and ideological spectrum is essentially the one most unifying element for your republican colleagues right now. it has to be a very attractive option to them. >> no doubt about it. i mean, they are so splintered they don't know what to do. and so rallying around hillary clinton is a thing that they can do. and again, keep in mind, what it does, it distracts us from doing the things that we need to be doing. and i think they kind of like that. they like the idea that, okay, we're going to be obstruction is. we'll spend all this time attacking hillary clinton and the public won't notice that african-americans and hispanics are being denied the right to vote. people are not -- young people are not able to get -- pay for college and things of that
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nature. and so i often said, you know, i try not to concentrate on so much who i'm fighting against. i tell my colleagues we must concentrate on what we're fighting for. so hopefully there will be some calmer minds that will come together that is on the republican side and join with us democrats to try to get something done. >> congressman elijah cummings, thank you for your time. appreciate it. coming up, a third party candidate storms the debate stage. that amazing footage, next. ate. i just snapped a photo and got an estimate in4 hos. my insurance company definitelyoesn't he that... you n leave worry behind wn libey stands with you™ bert kearney: i fought for my country in kosovo and iraq, and i've beea republic a my life. but m e father of three girls. i c stand hearing donald tmp call wopigs,a dogsanbimbos...and i sure don't want my daughters hearing it. i want my girls to grow up oud anstrong, in a niona dogswherthey're valued re
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and spected. donald trump's america is not the country i fought for. so, i'm voting for hillary clinton.ilry clinton: i'm hilly clinton and i approve this message. it is hard to be a third party candidate in the american political system. getting your name on the ballot with whatever requisite signatures or filing fees are
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required can be difficult. getting attention for your candidacy with ads and voter outreach can be expensive. and getting a high up number in the polls to be able to qualify for debates is nearly impossible. as was highlighted in maryland when the green party candidate dr. margaret flowers who got 5% in the most recent "washington post" poll didn't meet the 15 percentage point minimum for the debate and attempted to bypass the gate keepers and the following ensued. >> you shouldn't be having a closed debate. she's a legitimate candidate and should be included. >> you don't have all viewpoints included and i'm a valid candidate on the ballot. i'd appreciate you allowing me to be here today. thank you. >> thank you. if you wouldn't mind leaving the stage at this point so that we can continue with this organized debate. >> i'm a candidate on the ballot. i have a statewide campaign.
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i don't understand why i'm not here. i add a lot to the discussion. >> the rules are pretty much -- >> that doesn't actually happen. how does this serve democracy if i'm excluded from the discussion when i'm on the ballot? i'm a candidate for u.s. candidate in maryland and this is how you're treating a candidate? this is how we're treating -- >> can we open this -- can we open this podium to her? i think it would be reasonable. >> are excluded from this. you need to know this is going on because those of you who are not aware that the policies are being -- a full discussion. people don't know what their are -- >> up next another battle for marco rubio's seat in florida and why his financial support was pulled. [ music sts ] ♪ just can't wait to t on the road again ♪
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still plan to vote for donald trump? why is he supporting donald trump? there has to be a point where you stand for something more than just party or more than just your own career. >> there was a time when marco rubio's seat was a prime target in the democratic party's hopes of gaining control of the u.s. senate especially because soon after rubio ended his presidential bid he said he would not run for re-election to the senate leaving his seat wide open. within a few months rubio
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reversed himself announcing a run for re-election. he's been polling ahead of his democratic challenger congressman patrick murphy ever since. averaging a four-point lead. that may sound close when you look at the eight most likely senate seats for democrats to pick up based just on polling averages, rubio's seat would be eighth which helps to explain why last monday the democratic senatorial campaign canceled the remainder of their ad. the florida sun sentinel which endorsed murphy strongly criticized the dscc. if rubio wins this by a percentage point or two and goes on to become a top presidential contender in 2020 dscc leaders will have no one to blame by themselves. joining me now is robert costa so tre's some reporting that this has been the subject of very intense dispute behind the
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scenes. chuck schumer saying this money is better spent in other ad markets that are less expensive. others say you have a shot to take rubio out, the president might be interested in that. what's your sense of why this has become so hotly contested? >> it is because the airwaves in florida are expensive. they believe they can actually expand the map. a place like missouri with jason cantor doing well against roy blunt and in other states you have a real chance for democrats in the midwest and the rust belt to come back, they're reluctant to pour this money into a race in florida where rubio seems to be doing pretty well. >> the missouri race, ads there are about a third of what they cost in the very expensive florida media markets. i want to may one of the best ads for jason cantor, a veteran who is challenging incumbent roy blount. take a listen. >> i'm jason kandor. senator blount has been
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attacking me on gun. in the army i used to respect my rif rifle. in the state legislature, i supported second amendment rights. i also believe in background checks so the terrorists can't get their hands on one of these. i approve this message because i'd like to see senator blount do this. >> kandor was not on a lot of people's radar screen but he's giving blount a real run. emerging as the best candidate the democrats have this cycle. >> when you ask yourself why is he one of best candidates. not just his age, he's 35 and he's charismatic. he's running against washington. missouri operatives say kandor has been very strategic in how he's reaching out to trump voters as well as democrats in missouri. what he's doing is saying i'm going to run against d.c. in general. this is what you see a lot of democratic senate candidates doing. they're not running against trump, they're running against washington trying to tap into
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that nationalalism that sweeps across both parties. >> you have portman in ohio who is basically safe at this point. that's barely being contested. he, of course, is a figurehead of the establishment. then you have evan bayh trying to get back into the senate in indiana. looked to be the heavy favorite. but he's on the wrong side of that equation. his challenger going at him is basically a pay for play revolving door guy. democrats thought it was a guaranteed pickup. that will be a very close race. >> because when you look at senator bayh, he's almost the opposite of jason kandor. he has ties to consulting firms. rob portman is the model republican not so much for his ideology but for his organization. he's benefited from gobnvernor strickland not being as sharp on the stomach as he has been in the past. this is a difficult year. you have to get ahead. >> the democrats need to pick up a florida tie. and they'd have the tie breaker.
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they need five to get an outright majority. what are you hearing from republicans about what their internal numbers show? because often these races, particularly down ballot get pulled internally consistently than they get polled publicly? >> what they're really looking at right now is trying to get out traditional republican voters because if trump is going to get swept in some of these states and makes some unusual states competitive. we see this week on the trail. most of the republican candidates are talking about the affordable care act, not about donald trump. they're trying to find a way to survive. if trump loses their state by 6 to 10 points they still have a shot. they're hoping trump closes strong even if they're distanced from him because they want to make sure it's not some kind of wave. >> they're outperforming trump almost by and large which is the opposite of mitt romney who outperformed all candidates except for north carolina. >> there's fascinating races
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here. you look ats wisconsin. ron johnson has been behind for so long. senator feingold. places like waukesha county. great races up there. the incouple bent governor really strong with secretary clinton. you see ayotte she's been not perfect in navigating trump but she still sees this as someone more toward the center. >> president obama's resounding i told you so to republicans. how he foresaw the implosion of the right and even warned it was coming. thing 1, thing 2 after this break. when a momenturns romanticwhy pause take a pill?
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blacks for trump. you watch. >> trump seen here kissing a woman for trump's sign while holding a blacks for trump sign is losing badly in the polls among both groups, but it's a big country and there are in fact plenty of women and african-americans who do support trump. however, it's worth pointing out the signs don't always match who is holding them. this guy this the blue who is clearly a guy holding a women for trump sign while taunting the media, then there's this white woman holding a blacks for trump sign. this lady here proudly clutching her blacks for trump sign. this lady down in the corner proudly holding up a blacks for trump sign of her own. now, sometimes people holding the blacks for trump signs are actually black. this guy on the right who trump pointed out yesterday in florida. there he is again at another trump rally earlier this month. he distributes the blacks for trump signs is and runs the website. and there's more to his story. f.
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those blacks for trump sign you often see at rallies, many are handed out by this guy who goes by the name michael the black man. you'll find rambling screeds deeming hillary clinton mother of harlots. miami new times reports michael is a former member of the murderous yahweh ben yahweh cult. he's been reportedly charged with grand theft auto carrying a weapon on a plane and threatening a law enforcement officer though never convicted. he made a name for himself as an anti-gay anti-liberal preacher. he wrote a book claiming obama is the beast, 666 given power by the dragon serpent oprah. this is who the trump campaign has more than once positioned behind trump to show his support among african-americans. i guess they'll take whatever they can get. hhh...
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years old today and she celebrated by attending an adele concert in miami where adele told the crowd she is, quote, 100% for hillary clinton adding i love her, she's amazing. clinton responded in a tweet, that was quite a birthday surprise, adele. loved the show last night. this morning she appeared on the breakfast club radio show where she offered a novel proposal to bring the country together. >> i keep telling people i want to close the deficit. and one i want to close is the fun deficit. i'm sick of all this meanness and why don't these people who support my opponent go out and have fun dancing. i think we need a big national dance. >> i'm with you. >> a big national dance. well, we don't know exactly what that would look like, we do have
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what i'm not going to do is to validate some notion that the republican crackup that's been taking place is the consequence of actions that i've taken. >> it became clear that donald trump was actually going to be the republican nominee for president conservatives started looking for ways to, not surprisingly, blame president obama. former louisiana governor and failed presidential candidate himself, bobby jindal wrote an op-ed in "the wall street journal" saying president obama created donald trump. "new york times" conservative columnist wrote that obama era trends in liberal politics
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helped feed the trump phenomenon. even jeb bush writing in "the washington post" eight years of divisive tactics of president obama and his allies have undermined americans's faith in politics to accomplish anything constructive. obama isn't buying any of that. saying i see a straight line from the announcement of sarah palin as the vice presidential nominee so what we see in donald trump. the emergence of the freedom caucus, the tea party and the shift in the center of grav if i for the republican party. this isn't the first time that the republican has tied trump directly to the republican party. obama warned republicans about this for years. the content of obama's argument shouldn't be surprising to anyone who has been paying attention because he's been making it for practically his entire presidency. in january 2010 when the president addressed the republicans directly during their house gop issues conference in baltimore. >> we've got to close the gap a little bit between the rhetoric
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and the reality. i'm not suggesting that we're going to agree on everything whether it's on health care or energy or what have you, but if the way these issues are being presented by the republicans is that this is some wild-eyed plot to oppose huge government in every aspect of our lives what happens is you guys then don't have a lot of room to negotiate with me. you've given yourselves very little room to work in a bipartisan fashion because what you've been telling your constituents is this guy's doing all kinds of crazy stuff that's going to destroy america. >> joining me now white house correspondent and washington bureau chief for american urban radio netwoshs and a republican strategist. and april, you've covered presidents, this president up close. the case that he has made is essentially the republican party's sort of core pathology that it is immersed in a bubble. it is beholden to constituents
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in gerrymandering districts and conservative media can brook no compromise, can't work with him to get anything done and there's a straight line from that to trump? >> i cannot agree more. i've watched this president and i've watched this congress and there seems to be gridlock. whenever someone makes a move to broker some kind of deal, be it trying not to have a government shutdown. we hear things like green eggs and ham. you know? this president has gone golfing with john boehner trying to broker deals. this was the pervasive thought. we've heard people like rush limbaugh saying that he wanted the country to fail. he said that. this is not conjecture. this is not a myth.
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we heard him say that. it's on tape. so the mind-set in much of the republican party was the fact that they wanted this man out and they weren't going to work with him. and we see that in these waning days. over 200 some days this man has yet to have a hearing. and there's the issue of constitutionality about this. so the bottom line is whatever's happening with this president, this historic presidency, a lot of it has to do with -- i don't know if it's hatred of him, hatred of race, but they just cannot seem to work it out. there within lies the problem or the phenomenon of donald trump rising to the top. because people are tired of the gridlock and that's why donald trump, they want something totally new. >> i would guess that you disagree. >> he can't. >> for sure. well, it's the job of the opposition party to oppose the party in power. so i'm not sure at what point april's trying to make. >> but what level, but what
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level? >> the thing that always come back to, right, is what happened after george w. bush was elected in 2000 in an extremely contested election where he lost more votes. he didn't have the vote of the majority in that, right? ted kennedy worked with him on the signature centerpiece of his campaign, no child left behind, education reform. lots of democrats voted for that bill. they sort of crafted the thing together. they didn't just decide no, if he gets anything he wants, that will be poisonous. we should just withdraw consent. >> i think that unfairly presumes that it was a one-way negotiation, that democrats moved in george w. bush's direction when, in fact, george w. bush's record as governor of texas as bob bullard would have told you is he worked with democrats. you can make an argument republicans have not been willing to work with president obama, but i think it's been a two-way problem in a way that i think it wasn't for george w.
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bush. look at medicare part "d" compromise, the cuts in the democratic votes. at the end of the day, chris, keep in mind president obama decided these executive orders in and made the decision with only democratic votes. he may have fell forced to do that but he moved forward in a partisan way. that's part of why you have the division in washington, d.c. >> i have covered three presidents now. for 20 years in january. and on the worst day for bill clinton and george w. bush he did not have the problems that this president has. george w. bush has written more executive orders than this president, yet they wanted to take him to court. so there's one thing when it comes to, you know, partisan sparring and verbal fisticuffs. but when it gets down to this kind of visceral dislike and hate when parties are going at each other and things are not done, there's a problem. and someone -- a brilliant
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person told me this when i walked into washington about 20 years ago, she said to me, you know what ultimate power is about? it's about helping people. and the question is for both sides, are the people being helped right now? that's the question for both sides. not just for the republicans, not just for the democrats. >> you know, it seems to me that there's a sort of who started it question and there's all sorts of narratives about the affordable care act and the committee work should have gone longer, and yada, yada, however we got here, here's ted cruz being asked about the fact that they've held open this seat for 300 days. unprecedented basicsy saying there's no legitimacy to confirm the president's nominee. we'll need to have an election. now being asked if a democrat wins there's certainly long historical precedent for a supreme court with fewer justices. it is not impacting the court's ability to do its job. that's a debate we're going to have. as in okay, we've now said even
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when you win you're not going to get a nominee. like it is a one-way ratchet it seems to me from which there is no rebounding. >> well, what i would say is that, keep in mind, you need 60 votes to move a senate advise and consent nomination for the supreme court. so at the end of the day -- the first question will be who controls the u.s. senate? if the democrats control it, they'll control the senate judiciary committee and control the floor, they can get a vote on their own schedule. if republicans control it, you have to be able to stop a filibuster. cruz is on the judiciary committee. he has an eye towards the future. i'm not convinced that merrick garland won't be approved in a lame duck if hillary wins or number two won't be approved in the first hundred days. we won't go the entire presidency with only four justices regardless of who says what. >> you say that now. we're going to check back on that. >> keep the tape.
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keep the dtape. >> they'll try everything they can to not confirm the justice. that's "all in" this evening. rachel maddow starts right now. >> we've got news coming up on that exact subject later on in my hour including comments from tim kaine about how he will vote on merrick garland is if he's in the senate and it comes up. thanks for joining us in this hour. we do have that story including that exclusive content from tim kaine talking about how he would vote in the senate on merrick garland. that's coming up at the end of the show tonight. we start with something that we've got that i knew was coming. i did not know it was coming this quickly. i'm not the kind of person who says, i told you so, but in this case, i told you so. i just didn't know it would happen so fast. here's the story. this is a big deal. on monday night we reported here on this show on a huge new problem that the trump campaign seemed to have cooked


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