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the shrinking chance he has to win this thing. i say this not because i want trump to win, but because i can't stand politics being practiced so pathetically. we have been looking at live pictures, by the way, from lagarde yl laguardia airport of mike pence's plane, slid off the runway this evening. there were no injuries. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for fbeing with us. "all in with chris hayes "can starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> is there anyone more inspiring than michelle obama? >> north carolina roars for hillary and michelle. >> she is absolutely ready to be commander in chief on day one, and, yes, she happens to be a woman. >> tonight, the unprecedented scene as the first lady lights up the campaign trail for clinton. plus, the new "bloomberg" report on the trump campaign's, "voter suppression operations." as they now concede their
candidate is losing badly. >> we should just cancel the election and just give it to trump. then, another accuser comes forward as a republican reverses his repudiation. >> i'm out. >> democrats raise fears of a constitutional crisis. if hillary wins. and donald trump's october surprise. >> she's actually going to make two or three speeches. >> when "all in" starts right now. >> hello. good evening from new york, we got some breaking news as you can see right there, that is the plane for the vice presidential nominee of the republic u can party, mike pence. that is the campaign plane which just few minutes ago landed in laguardia and skidded off the runway. there are about 30-plus folks inside. everyone is safe and fine. but a scary moment. the plane skidded off the runway. an alarm was put out. as you can see, emergency personnel evacuating the plane as both the campaign staff that travel with indiana governor
mike pence, as well as the traveling press that covers him, including some of our own, were on that plane when it hit the runway and apparently skidded off in the rain. we are now awaiting, hopefully, some more word, but as of now, it sounds like everyone was fine and believed there were no actual injuries during that event. we're hoping to get a confirmation of that. we do have confirmation, at least early confirmation, that no one was hurt in any severe way. i do not know if we have made contact with the governor, himself. the vice presidential nominee, mike pence. obviously a little bit of a chaotic scene on theaguardia ond and stormy night in new york city. jeb starling, the congressman from texas, apparently traveling on that plane on the house financial services committee. we believe that everything is fine and we're going to get and all-clear and nbc producer vaughn hilliard who was on the plane is with us. vaughn, what happened? >> i'm with the campaign. >> john, what happened?
>> hey there. am i live, guys? >> you're live. you're live, buddy. >> okay. we're on the tarmac here at laguardia. the plane had a tough landing. this isn't the first time this plane's had a tough landing. the flight was actually delayed by about two hours when the plane landed, we were going through the -- going through the clouds, hit the ground, and and we started to skid. you felt skidding. the plane started to swerve to the right and there was some bumping then the plane stopped. as i said, this isn't the first time. this is the tenth campaign plane, he's been flying on this plane for three-plus month, suspect the first time the plane has had a rougher landing. it's become sort of a joke, get ready for the landing. but obviously the conditions were a little bit more difficult here in new york city tonight. and we're zbigoing to zoom in, t is karen pence, that i believe you'll be seeing. i think we're on a little bit of a delay. that is karen pence getting off the plane there. but the plane swerved off and we
need to -- okay. we need a shot of the governor. so we're being taken away from the scene here. you're going to see the governor here in a few moments. we're being led away, but the plane slid off. everybody got up. there was no -- to be clear, everything flew around and flew forward, but the situation was not in which anybody was being thrown around. the governor got up quickly and he walked -- and he walked back to the back of the plane. actually was making sure that everybody was okay. and even kind of gave some fist pumps in the air just as everybody's okay, everybody's safe. he's making sure that everybody was okay. we didn't actually realize that we were totally off of the runway when this happened. but it wasn't until we started to see the lights, the ambulance -- or the fire trucks all out there. you can see the response. we're just kind of going with this at this point, you guys. >> yeah. >> but the governor was okay.
karen pence is on the plane, karen pence the first lady of indiana, charlotte pence, their oldest daughter who travels frequently with the campaign. campaign staff, the secret service who takes up ten rows and about eight members of the press and then they brought up the stairs and obviously we just got off -- i think we saw earlier when the feed started coming in, you saw mud streaks and we are -- we're being -- we're -- sorry. we're being taken away from the scene here. >> vaughn, it's basically -- can you tell me, obviously the governor and his wife and their daughter, them, staff and press, is that basically who's on that plane? >> yep, that's who's on the pence plane. he had a stop -- he was coming from ft. dodge, iowa, landing for a fund-raiser which we'll see whether that happens. that was going to be at trump tower this evening. the trump, actually, we sent video earlier of the governor
playing football on the tarmac because of the weather conditions. i'll let you handle what the actual weather, what the situation was, but we are able to see here, i'm going to go over here to the right and you can see how close we are, again, i think there are videos on 20-second delay here. but you'll see how close to the road we are over here on the right side. and literally inside of the grass -- >> wow. >> i don't know if you guys are seeing that now. >> yeah, we can. >> and you see actually, i'm going to zoom in here to where the fence is. you don't -- it's actually pretty remarkable. now, we're just coming to grips with kind of looking at this. how close we were to -- how close we were to the road. >> that plane is pretty far off that runway. >> yeah. it's in the grass there which i guess the impact of the plane created mud which is the mud marks that we are able to see when we first got off of the plane there, but everybody -- i'm pretty sure i've still got -- i still have bags up on
the plane. the fire department came and said, please, everybody, just get off the plane now. we were trying to establish a shot here. again, we didn't even realize honestly what happened right when it happened, but the governor got up immediately, made sure secret service, made sure the press was okay. i think we got the shot. we see him back over here. sorry. it's a -- i may even have some raindrops. >> vaughn, where were you guys coming in from? >> we were come in from ft. dodge, iowa, where we had a campaign event. we had a about two, three-hour flight. so we've been in the air for a little while. we knew the storm was in here. it was delayed for the fund-raiser, was supposed to start earlier this evening in new york city. >> were there announcements made, obviously you guys had no idea what was happening, felt the impact, didn't quite realize the skid. did anyone say anything about what was happening as it happened? >> absolutely. and, you know, i'll be honest, i had my phone out and was
recording a fellow reporter was sleeping, and because it's not unnormal to have these hard impacts, we were recording. . i literally turned it off because i thought we were fine. then suddenly we slid off. but everything, phones, water bottles, about two seconds after the landing, suddenly everything just shot forward. my seat belt wasn't fully tightened and i flew forward and was obviously caught by the seat belt, but you realize pretty quickly that after skidding there -- the part was that it took the sharp right turn after about maybe four or five seconds, took a sharp right turn and then maybe three seconds later we came to a dead stop. which obviously the plane when you're on the tarmac, you're on for a little bit of while there, and -- and, yeah, so you can see the governor is there right now. mr. pence, karen, first lady,
was getting off the plane. we saw charlotte pence earlier, their eldest daughter. he's traveling with several campaign advisers. you just saw him get some photographs with some of the near department here. again, to be clear, there's no injuries. everybody was fine, but as we zoom back out over, you'll see here where the plane is, compared to -- and the response -- we saw those lights immediately. and i was actually hearing that there was originally reports, we were on the plane, somebody had said that they heard there was a report that a plane had gone off the runway but not realizing that that was the plane that we were on. again, this is the plane that the governor has riding since july. it's a 737. those of us who ride on the pence plane like to think it's a nice plane but i'm not sure when this guy will be getting back up and going again. we're going to fast forward here, you're going to see more
staff and fire department getting off the plane. >> vaughn, you had said that you guys had some bumpy landings on that plane. am i recalling correctly, the captain, the man who had piloted the pence plane early on was replaced at some point? is that right? >> that is -- yes. we've actually had several pilots. i'm not sure the extent i know what you're referring to. i don't know the extent. there's pilots that rotate in and out that fly the 737, the campaign plane. i'm is not sure, to be perfectly honest, who is piloting this time around. the governor did say when he came back to the back of the plane, they were able to see inside the cockpit and there was actually mud on the front window which was our first indication we were, in fact, definitely off the runway because the governor, himself, said there was mud. i don't know the extent to this pilot -- i don't want to jump to
conclusions. >> of course. >> the plane -- this isn't -- obviously this is a specialist, a commercial airliner. this is not just a one-time thing. it's been happening in the past. >> will you just tell me right now, we got some images of first responders, i think obviously there's police, there's firemen, there are secret service, of course. there's the secret service staff that travels with the governor at all times. about how many folks are in that detail? >> with the secret service detail, there's probably about 15 of them that are on the plane. again, at the front of the plane, there are about four -- three, four rows -- yeah, four rows in which campaign staff including the governor, mrs. pence and charlotte pence, their daughter, ride on, and then behind them is about eight rows of secret service and then behind them is where the press sits. and as you see, i mean, this is a -- it looks like a pretty standard plane. two seats on each side of the
rows. and, again, immediately the governor got up, made sure that everybody was okay. but, yeah, no, this was probably about 30, 40 people that were on the plane. >> and that's -- and so it's actually not that huge a staff the governor a traveling with at this point. >> no, no. the governor is traveling -- so the governor, mrs. pence, charlotte pence, adviser mark schwartz, michael glassner who was an original from the trump campaign was on the plane today. he typically does not travel with the pence campaign, but his lucky day. today's the day that he jumped on the plane. as well as mark short and michael glassner, mike water, the press secretary for the governor, you had jordan carem, their travel director. bobby who is their tour lead. and zach pbower, special advise and body man for the governor. that's pretty much his core -- the chair of the campaign was
not on the plane, but we're 11 days out, he was doing a new york city fund-raiser tonight then he was going to be leaving tomorrow. he's actually doing -- he's actually going to be on, if i may promote, he's going to be on "morning joe" tomorrow as well as cnbc's "squawk box." we'll be hearing more from him tomorrow for sure. poor contingency. you're seeing the airline attendants that are there that are going out here. hold on one second. i'm going to turn down my audio. sorry about the -- we're trying to operate the camera. >> vaughn, i'm going to actually let you go and keep that camera because just so folks know, vaughn right now is multitasking. he's operating the camera, vision that you're seeing as he's talking to me. >> yeah. >> at the same time. i'm going to let you try to maybe get some more information and hold that -- the pool camera there. i'm going to bring in nbc's tom costello who i believe we e hha
on the phone at this moment just to give a sense, obviously, the details of what exactly happened here, we are still trying to track down. how often does something like this generally happen, tom? >> well, listen, having a plane coming in, i'm watching the video come in as well, you know, they've clearly got a very rainy, difficult weather night there in new york. and whenever you're coming in on a landing, and keep in mind, a 737 is going to come in somewhere in the neighborhood of 155 miles per hour or so, assuming this is a 737 300. and laguardia already is known as a challenging airport. whenever you come in for a landing because it's right there, as you know, sitting right on the water. and so when you are dealing with coming in at 155 miles per hour on a rain-slick runway, these things can happen. you know, we get reports of planes off the end of the runway across the country. i'd say probably almost once every week or two. somewhere in the country. and it happens so often, you
know, we just don't even -- it doesn't even make news very often because for the most part, they slide into the mud and nobody is injured and you have a lot of people asking questions about how this happened. and what will happen now, of course, is you'll have both the faa and probably the ntsb, but surely the faa will take a look at exactly what happened in the cockpit, how fast was the pilot coming in, did he or she hit that runway early enough? or did they hit it too late? and as a result, didn't have enough runway space at the end? but the chances are -- >> did we lose tom there? sounds like we may have lost tom on the audio there. that's live footage right now from the runway, if you're just joining us, laguardia airport, where the charter plane, the 737 that flies governor of indiana mike pence, of course, the republican v.p., just skidded off the runway during a rough landing. you can see there, the plane up in the upper left hand corner of
that screen, that grassy field there is where the plane ended up stopping. not too far from the fence that marks the end of the airport. so a pretty scary landing for the folks, 30-plus that were on that plane that includes the governor, his wife, their daughter, charlotte, as well as about 15 secret service and about a dozen members of the press corps including our own vaughn hillyard who at the moment is directing that camera amidst the somewhat chaotic and rainy scene on the runway in laguardia. let me bring in a.j. delgado, trump campaign senior adviser. well, very happy everyone's okay. >> absolutely. all's well that ends well, but certainly a scary situation. i mean, this kind of makes you realize how much governor pence and all candidates really put themselves out there, including even their safety with this constant travel. it's a grueling schedule that they all have, including even secretary clinton. >> yeah. it is, the amount of travel that goes on to a modern campaign is pretty remarkable.
generally, campaigns have, you know, large chartered planes like this one, a 737. this is not an island hopper or something like that. these are significant -- significant pieces of aircraft that they use to get around. that's a huge sort of almost traveling universe. i'm sure you've been -- you've been on trump force one, of course. >> yes. >> and, you know, there are is this sort of weird mobile village that kind of grows up amidst the campaign with everyone from people from all different vectors, campaign staff, the candidate, secret service, press, everybody sort of thrown into very intimate quarters and they spend a lot of time together. >> right. it's a motley crew kind of entourage and with stakes that are very high. it's an interesting experience on these planes. especially tonight. glad to see everybody's okay. >> vaughn hillyard has a little more information. vaughn, you there? >> yes, i am. >> so what's going on now? >> yeah, so our shot here, we are the marine -- we're getting out of the -- we're leaving the
marine air terminal, so the motorcade is now leaving. mike pence is no longer going to his fund-raiser. the motorcade here has taken off, so mike pence is no longer going to the fund-raiser. we just talked to mark lauder, a spokesman, he said, yes, there were no injuries. he said that port authority is looking into it. everybody was on scene quickly. now you're going to get a shot here in which this is -- we're now being taken away. i think we're going to be following the motorcade here. are we going to be following the motorcade? no. so mike pence, we're not sure exactly now where he's going. we'll work on getting that information. he had originally, a fund-raiser for this evening planned. they said they are going to reschedule the fund-raiser. it was going to be at trump tower. we had a camera there waiting for the governor once he arrived, but he's no longer going. i guess after all of this has taken place, the campaign says that they'll reschedule it. >> i think that probably makes sense. all right. vaughn hillyard who did incredible work tonight. thank you, vaughn, for all of that. i'm glad you're safe. i'm glad everyone's safe. looks like you are pulling out
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prop 51 repairs older schools and removes dangerous lead paint and pipes ensuring classrooms are safe for all students. for safe schools vote yes on 51. all right. as you just saw this hour, the plane for vice president nominee, mike pence, the republican party, skidded off a runway in laguardia on a very windy and rainy night. thank goodness, as far as we can tell and confirm, there were no injuries. everyone's okay. the governor of indiana, his wife, their daughter, their secret service detail, have headed off in a motorcade. where, we do not know. they canceled a fund-raising event he wass scheduled to make at trump tower. this hour, donald trump, his running mate, about to start his third rally of the day in ohio. earlier, trump claimed momentum in the race saying polls show him with leads in battleground states across the electoral map.
>> we don't want to take it for granted, but we are winning in a lot of states. i have to say, the media now, they're going wild. the media's going wild because they're saying, you know, this guy's winning. in florida. he's winning in north carolina. he's winning in iowa. he's winning in ohio. >> the media isn't quite saying that. well, a rash of new polls suggest the race has tightened slightly, in recent days hillary clinton continues to hold the lead over trump nationally, and a clear lead in enough battleground states at this moment to put her over the top. adjusted national polling average, nate silver's 538, shows clinton with a six-point lead over trump overall. adjusted state polling aftverag slow clinton with leads in all four of the states trump mentioned although the race is effectively a dead heat tied in iowa and ohio. crucially in pennsylvania, a state trump desperately needs to win, he's down more than 6 1/2
points in 538's adjusted polling average. the race is tied in arizona, a state that should be a lay-up for a republican presidential nominee. refusing to add mumit publicly down, trump is suggesting clinton's policies are so bad, maybe you shouldn't have an election. >> thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and just give it to trump, right? what are we having it for? >> in case it wasn't clear from the context, that was a joke. the candidate daydreams of that, his stuff staff is grappling with the picture they face in the real world. blockbuster new piece in yt bloomberg business week," it's reported that trump's san antonio research team spends $100,000 a week on surveys and sophisticated models that run daily simulations of the election. as a result, trump's staff knows he's losing badly. "nate silver's results have been similar to ours" says trump political director "except they lack by a week or to two." using targeted facebook posts
and of t and other means. idealistic white liberals, young women and african-americans. senior official in the trump campaign described this effort by telling "bloomberg," "we have three major voter suppression operations under way." what he seems to be talking about is negative campaigning to depress turnout, not what is commonly called voter suppression. with clinton by her side in north carolina today, michelle obama lambasted the trump camp's effort to depress turnout which she said included trump's claims the election is rigged. >> if hillary doesn't win this election, that will be on us. it will be because we did not stand with her. it will be because we did not vote for her. and that is exactly what her opponent is hoping will happen. that's the strategy. to make this election so dirty and ugly that we don't want any part of it. >> if trump does lose this election, don't expect him to go away quietly. "bloomberg" reports by election
day trump's campaign expects to have gotten e-mail addresses, small donors ponied up $275 million. could become the audience for a new media venture or backbone for a third party political movement and force the gop to conform to trumpism instead of moving away from a candidate who lost. in the words of trump's digital director, "we own the future of the republican party." joining me now, co-author of that piece, "bloomberg business week's" josh green. to some extenlt, i think the story about the trump campaign is they're basically winging it and this was a window into the fact that they may be winging it in certain ways but there is also an actual organization there doing some of the stuff that campaigns typically do. >> yeah, i mean, that was a real takeaway to me. i think the reason they cooperated with this piece was that they were little miffed at the idea that their campaign is really no more than trump and his twitter feed and they have, in fact, built a pretty
ambitious data operation down in san antonio, they co-named it project alamo, and they basically showed off all the bells and whistles which while it may not resemble a traditional campaign, has turned into a real monster small-dollar fund-raising machine, which is allowing trump to build up this really valuable this, this audience of donors that conceivably can be transported over to trump tv network or some new social media play, if he doesn't win the election, or if he does win the election, he's got a big list of supporters backing him up. >> yeah, there's a number of bernie sanders, ex-sanders fund-raising and digital team folks that are know or follow on twitter and they have basically looked at this operation being built in realtime and they built an incredible operation, obviously. it's what sort of powered that campaign in certain ways, and they say the metrics that they've hit in terms of the number of donors they have, the amount of money they're able to bring in, is really remarkable in the short period of time they constructed it. >> it really is remarkable what
they've done, and i think the most interesting guy in the whole story is this guy, brad parscale, he we profile, essentially one of the most powerful people in the trump organization. crazy story. he used to build websites for trump's real estate propertieie and the trump winery. trump trusts him. he likes hil s him. he gets a lot done. eventually as various members of the trump campaign, corey lewandowski, paul manafort got fired, left, parscale got more and more authority and built this machine throwing off all these millions of dollars to the trump campaign. >> it's also interesting he said to you, yeah, our numbers are the same as nate silver's with a two-week lag. that was a sort of amazing moment of honesty and clarity. >> well, they have built sophisticated data models. i mean, they hired the cambridge analyt analytics, they spent millions
and millions of dollars doing this stuff. they haven't really said this to the press, so i think it's one of the reasons why it's so surprising, but look, if you put good scientists in a room and you use good polls and crunch the numbers right, you're going to come out with i would assume a more or less accurate picture of the election. >> right. >> and the numbers they showed us did not differ dramatically from the kind of numbers you see from good public forecasters like nate silver. the only point that the trump people made was, look, we're out there every night making thousands of calls in all these battleground states. >> right. >> we see see this happening in realtime. >> yes. >> a lot of these public guys have a two-week lag. >> everybody who works inside campaigns think public polls are incredibly pa say because they get the data every night in real time. josh green, thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> i want to check in with nbc's hallie jackson where trump is about to take the stage. i understand trump called governor pence to check in and make sure everything was okay. >> reporter: that's our understanding, chris. he was in the motorcade, he
landed in cleveland basically at one of the airports in the city, like a 50-minute drive to geneva, ohio, where we are now. at some point on that motorcade we are told by a spokesperson that donald trump called governor pence to check in to make sure everyone was okay. said he was obviously happy that everybody was safe. so that is sort of what you might expect from the top of the ticket with the running mate when an incident like this happens. an incident that obviously is now creating a ripple effect for travelers. frankly, potentially including us, trump typically would land back at the fbo at laguardia airport after his rallies and that is where we were set to head tonight. so we'll see how that unfolds. he is about to take the stage if i'm listening behind me correctly. i think his music is about to begin. i wouldn't be surprised if he mentioned what happens at the top of his remarks, chris. that's something to see. donald trump walks on the stage right now. chris? >> all right. joining me now -- conservative
columnist, a.j. delgado, senior adviser to the trump campaign. thank you for your patience there. i'm glad everybody is okay. at laguardia. rick, what do you think of this quote, "we own the future of the republican party"? >> look, the republican party sold itself lock, stock and barrel to donald trump so they do in a way. if you're talking about the trump demographic owning the future, it's not a very long future since they're about 65 years old median. so i'm not convinced that they completely control the future. i think what we're going to see is the republican party at the end of this, if trump crashes and burns as it looks like he will, the republican party is going to -- a faction of it will split off and say, we needed more trump, more peppy the frog, more white supremacy. there's a fraction that's going to say donald who, what? they're going to pretend he never existed and hope they can just skate out of it. i think there's a growing number of conservatives who are following folks like evan macmullan who are looking at a future where a conservative center right third party that gets rid of the legacy code and
the negative stuff that has accrued around the republican party, moves forward into the future. i think you're looking at a republican party crackup in a lot of these scenarios. >> all right. donald trump taking the podium right now. let's take a listen for a second. >> and you've got thousands and thousands of people standing outside trying to get in. it's amazing. it's amazing. and you know, when i came over, i was just watching the television, i watched one of the commentators say that we have a few thousand people here. few thousand. you know what a few thousand people, that means 3,000 people. he said we have a few thousand people and i said, oh, these people. forget it. this is not a few -- to me, a few thousand is thre3,000. this is no 3,000. this is 15,000.
this is no 3,000. this is 20,000 if we get them in. so we'll try getting them in, but let's start, right? thank you, everybody, for being here. in 12 days, we are going to win ohio and we are going to win back the white house. believe me. about time. >> thought he might say something about the plane there, but big crowd there in ohio which we should note is a state he is sort of wone of the state he's outperforming right now, looks like he's outperforming mitt romney in 2012. it's very tight there. a.j., your response to what rick said. >> i have to say as a latina, the mention of there being an element of white supremacy in the trump campaign is ridiculous and offensive. somebody in her 30s -- >> i can show them to you. >> i find the age you mentioned saying the average trump supporter is in their 60s is ridiculous. this is what they do, they attack us with the same old tired democratic talking points of racist, whatever it may be.
the bottom line is, we own the republican party. brad pascal, secret weapon ourn our campaign, tremendous guy. the paul ryan style of conservatism, the george bush style of conservatism, pro-war, pro-tax cuts only for the rich, which is maybe what rick likes is dead. thank god. thanks to donald trump. look at paul ryan's favorability numbers across the country. that conservatism is dead. it's now the trumpian style of conservative. thank the lord. >> rick, i'll let you respond. two little things, one, the tax cut plan put forward by donald trump is actually more skewed to the rich than -- >> no, it isn't. >> -- george w. bush. >> it is. but, and the second thing is -- >> yes, it is. >> i just want to distinguish between two claim, right, which is if you're a trump supporter you're there for a racist or white supremacist which i would never say and don't think rick would say. the people out there that are racist and white supremacist, they're overwhelmingly and publicly supporting donald trump. >> that's not true.
can we talk about the real issue? >> a.j., it is true. the people on the white supremacists all-right movement in this country flock to donald trump. >> rick, as someone who doesn't have a job right now, my good friend who's a veteran and doesn't have a job right now, stays home taking care of his father with alzheimer's, twhey don't have money to find the proper care for him. do you think he wants to watch this show, see us bicker who has two white supremacist twitter followers, rather than who's going to help he and his family? can we talk about the real issues? >> the fact that david duke and the alt right have flocked to donald trump and that republican leaders -- >> and this makes a difference in the average voters' lives how? can't say. >> failed to step up and consistently denounced the fact that donald trump, this is -- >> he has denounced david duke dozens of times. >> he appeals to these people. the dog whistling never stops from donald trump to these people. and the fact of the matter is this is a guy -- >> so being against illegal immigration is dog whistling according to them? this is how ridiculous the
discourse has become, rick. >> this is a guy who is feeding these people with a nod and a wink every single day, a guy who constantly denigrates women, muslims, minor toy ities in a hf different ways. i'm not saying every person who supports donald trump is a racist, that's absurd. every racist you turn over -- every time you turn over a rock and find a racist, they have a red maga hat on. there is not a -- there's not a coincidence here. >> let me ask you this about how folks are feeling inside the campaign. he watches a lot of tv, donald trump. notice that? he watches a lot of cable news. >> he enjoys being informed. that's to his credit. he watches cable news. >> there's obviously sort of this per sep yuceptual thing, e campaign i've ever covered up until the day you're there, i've been with candidates who are down 40 points saying we're going to win, shock the world. no one goes around saying, we're getting our butts kicked.
>> it does happen. >> i guess my point is, like, you guys feel you are prepared, how would you characterize the race? tied, close, donald trump is winning? >> we're winning in the key that i care about, florida. so i would say -- i wouldn't say it's a dead heat. i would say we're slightly ahead. >> there's one poll out today -- >> if you said it was a dead heat, i'd say that's fair. it's anybody's race right now. >> rick, do you think -- how much does what happens on election day matter to the validity of that statement about we own the future of the republican party? which is to say if donald trump wins, obviously, that's one scenario, if he outperformed mitt romney or underperforms john mccain, does that -- does the range of options here matter in terms of what ends up happening to the republican party? >> you know, i don't think it does, chris, because donald trump's brand is so deeply offensive to so many americans that i think that, look, republicans ran campaigns against democrats for 40 years using ted kennedy and jimmy carter as sort of the demons out
there. the represented the worst of liberal excess, et cetera. democrats are going to have donald trump to hang around the necks of republicans because the republican leadership in this country has failed again and again and again to hold donald trump to account, to make him conform to the values that the party claims it represents, and to show some spine and backbone when this guy continues to do things that are profoundly offensive to women, to minorities, to muslims. this is a guy who's -- he's like a 360 degree offense machine. you can be -- this guy will attack people no matter who they are and that damage is going to spread throughout the republican infrastructure because its leaders failed again and again to stand up and to stand for the principles that they claim the party represents. >> do you think -- do you think it matters, obviously if he wins, he becomes president of the united states, that matters a lot. do you think it matters if he doesn't win, what the non-win looks like? >> no, we will win. >> i do think the -- >> at the end of the day, rick,
getting back to what you said, though, about, look, maybe there is racists out there that wears a m.a.g.a. hat. there probably is. i won't dispute that. >> i've encountered them. >> who will benefit minorities more? they have to talk about things like this because they won't beat us on the issues. even illegal immigration, it's african-americans who suffer from it most. >> a. javj. -- >> anti-racist platform and policies belong to donald trump. not to hillary clinton. >> i will conclude -- i will conclude this by saying -- >> not at all, look at illegal immigration. >> i think voters will have some sort of referendum on that we'll find out on election day. rick wilson, a.j. delgado, thanks to you both. >> thanks, guys. donald trump speaking in ohio there. he has not mentioned the brush with runway that his running mate's plane had at laguardia, although everyone is safe. he's doing his spiel there. we will be right back.
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all right. as we just showed you moments ago, that's the runway in laguardia where the vice presidential nominee's plane skidded off. donald trump speaking right now at a rally in ohio, a state that is a dead, dead heat. joining me now, senator sherrod brown, democrat from ohio. he early vote add cd a couple do with his wife, connie schultz. senator, before we get to ohio, also some important business taking place in cleveland and chicago, you had a close brush, yourself, you got into a car accident a few days ago. sounded like it was scary. i have to read the tweet after this -- your car accident. "thanks for caring concern, doing fine. grateful to para police, medical staff and my jeep made with american steel by union workers in toledo. i have to tip my cap for being on message in your response to a car accident. >> i also said better to happen to me than corey kluber, so somebody's going to get hurt, that week, better me than the
indians' cy young winner so you take one for the team. i know you're a cubs fan, everybody in america feels sorry for the cubs because it's been so many years. chicago wins basketball, nba, nfl, i don't know much about hockey. >> so much winning, your head will spin. >> white sox won. it's cleveland's turn, man. back off. >> you guys won. you guys had an amazing win last year for that city which i think you could palpably feel how incredible it was when we were there this summer. cleveland indians playing great baseball in these playoffs. i'm very excited. i will be at wrigley saturday night. i'm excited about that. let's talk about your state. this is a heavy lift. it's really interesting going through data, looking sort of getting in there. you're seeing this interesting thing happen in this race where you got a state like virginia where, you know, two cycles ago people said democrats in virginia, i can't believe they're going to win virginia, democrats now, hillary clinton,
they're up by sizable portions. it is absolutely neck and neck in ohio. >> virginia, actually, both in '08 and '12, the margins were bigger for president obama in virginia than ohio. ohio almost always goes with the winner. hillary is going to win ohio. the polls are very close now. i can see two things happening. i can see union members who might have flirted with trump a little bit are coming around to vote for hillary. i've spent a lot of time in union halls, a lot of time talking to workers, and union activists are talking to their co-workers that also belong to the union and are not yet there and are moving toward hillary. the other thing that's happening, a lot of young people that may have thought about gary johnson in july and august and september are now realizing that, one, he doesn't really represent what they believe, and second, they understand that how important it is so vote for hillary against trump. so she's going to win the state. it's going to be not as -- it's going if to be closer than mayb
virginia, certainly pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. she's going to do well here. >> it's amazing when you look at county breakdowns in a state like ohio where democrats have enormous margins in major metropolitan areas. they then have to sort of fight to keep that margin in rural areas, particularly. there was this moment on fox news i wanted to play you in which it was sort of a cat out of the bag moment about what this is really about with bill hemmer talking to sean spicer. take a listen. >> i'm looking at early voting. >> so are we. you have good news in ohio. >> we do. >> white share of the vote is up three points. black share of the vote is down seven. >> early vote is where democrats do well. we do very well on election day. republicans tend to show up. democrats need to do very, very well. i'm talking -- i'm talking about mail-in ballots. i'm not talking about in-person voting. >> i understand that. >> i mean, at one level it's true, right, that is good news for the republican party, but it's also sort of just remarkable thing to think about in the context of where we are in terms of an american
democracy. >> yeah, they -- i mean, it's about suppressing the vote for this crowd. look at texas. i mean, texas, if you have a university of texas student i.d., that doesn't get you a ballot, but if you have a concealed weapon permit, that does get you a ballot. and look at what they're doing, north carolina and ohio, the republicans eliminated what's called golden week. >> golden week. >> the week you could register and vote. created bipartisanly by the legislature, signed by republican governor bob taft who is really a real moderate, decent republican. he's not the right wing that they've all become. the right wingers they've become. but they've clawed all this back, so in ohio it is a shorter window, a smaller window to vote early, but the -- they're going to be there. i mean, democrats are going to be there. people of color are going to be there. people that want to support hillary are going to be there in early voting. we will catch up and do better, if in fact, i'm not sure of the number, if, in fact, we're not doing as well as we were four
years ago. >> that wasn't a lefty plot by a.c.o.r.n., golden week was just this idea you could go register and vote at the same time, it was the same period of time and it was good for turnout. it was good for participation. the republicans in control of the state just got rid of that and they didn't get rid of it with some, any argument about voter fraud. they just got rid of it. >> yeah, and there was a case that went to federal court then it was overturned after one of these registration -- one of these rollback, clawback on registration on opening up registration, a george bush judge voted in favor of keeping the registration more open and liberal and an appellate circuit judge, circuit court reversed it. you've seen it, the secretary of state now in ohio has purged hundreds of thousands of voters. so we're seeing this effort all over the country. as yuou know, chris, as you poit out in the show, first time in 50 years the voting rights about
won't be enforced in states around the country and it's clearly suppressing the vote. the only way they can win is to do that. they know that their ideas don't work. even if they had a better candidate, their ideas aren't selling so they suppress the vote. >> all right. senator sherrod brown, thanks for joining us. go, cubs. >> enjoy saturday night. >> i will. >> not too much, chris. >> all right. we will have more. we got some more information about that hairy moment about laguardia that happened earlier this evening with the vice presidential nominee's plane. we'll have more on that just after this break. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all t fruit... and herbs ed tcreate a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the mdle ofhe cit so now eveone knows... we have somef the freshestjui. see whathe power of points can do for ybusiness learn moret chase.com/ink
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all right. we've got an update from nbc's own vaughn hilliard who took that footage on that plane on the vice presidential nominee, mike pence's plane, after it skidded off the runway there in laguardia. vaughn, just let us know, what's the latest? >> reporter: hey, chris. so mike pence is headed back to his hotel for the evening. he had a trump tower fund-raiser tonight that he is no longer going to, but he did call in to the people that were there. he was supposed to be there earlier in the evening, but because of the weather here in new york at laguardia, the airplane was not going to be able to come into the airport and so he was already delayed. going off the tarmac made it a little bit worse. but he called into the fund-raiser and talked to the people. hallie jackson also reported that mike pence talked with donald trump in the motorcade back on the way to manhattan. he is going to be in manhattan overnight. he'll be doing some morning shows as well. he's on "morning joe" in the
morning, or so is the plan now. the campaign says that a new campaign plane is already on the way to laguardia, which it will take off tomorrow. >> vaughn, for folks who are just joining, can you just tell us again what happened on that plane? >> reporter: sure. so we were landing, and this is not the first time we've had a bumpy plane. we've never got off the runway before. but we were flying into laguardia through the clouds, through the rain. we had a very sudden rough impact upon landing, but then for about two, three seconds, it continued to go down the runway. at that point it was kind of a sharp veer to the right, in which that's the point where it really felt like we were swerving off the tarmac. and then there was a little bit of impact as we were going through the grass, which turned into mud, and that's when we realized that we came to a very sudden stop and realized that we were in fact off the tarmac. fire trucks, ambulances, quickly
rushed to the scene, the lights went up and we could see how close, we saw some shots earlier in which you could see how close we were to the roadway. that's when it became real. we've kind of taken it for granted rough impacts on the pence campaign plane but that was obvious when you saw the road and the lights that this wasn't a normal landing here at lagaraguardia. >> i'm so happy you're safe. mike pence tweeting so happy everyone on our plane is safe. grateful for the first responders -- >> reporter: they were there quickly. >> vaughn, thank you very much and thanks for the great work you did taking that footage as well. all right. so donald trump is in ohio. mike pence traveling from iowa back to new york. meanwhile earlier today, michelle obama and hillary clinton on stage together for the very first time at an event in north carolina. here is what that looked like. >> hillary doesn't play.
she has more experience and exposure to the presidency than any candidate in our lifetime. yes, more than barack, more than bill, and, yes, she happens to be a woman. >> joining me now, michelle bernard, president and ceo for the bernard center, joy reid, host of "a.m. joy" right here on msnbc and charlie pierce, writer at large at "esquire." michelle, i want to ask you this. the gender gap we've seen open up, how much is that gender gap, because it seems like it's working in both directions. it's not only that donald trump has bragged about serial sexual assault and now been accused by 12 different women on the record. he used to run beauty contests, all sorts of things. there's also the first women nominee in major party history. how much of that wedge is each of those factors in your mind? >> you know what, it is -- it is
really so hard to tell. i'll tell you, from one day to another i change my mind. i would at first think that all of the things that we have heard come up with donald trump would push so many women towards hillary clinton, and we've seen that, for example, with republicans for hillary clinton. but when you look at michelle obama and hillary clinton on the stage today and you think about the nation's history from the first women's rights convention in seneca falls in 1848 to women being able to get the right to vote and to get equal credit and to get an equal pay act, to get the violence against women act, to black women feeling sort of lost in the conventional women's rights movement in the united states and having to form their own organizations and here we have two first ladies, african-american, white, one running for the presidency of the united states, it is a historic moment. i can't imagine that women did
not watch this speech today and think to themselves that they -- that this is an opportunity for them to be a part of history like they were with voting for barack obama in 2008. >> charlie, michelle obama, i saw her give -- do an event in nevada in the primary in 2008 and she was great. she has only -- you've been covering politics for a long time. like she is very, very, very good at this. >> yeah. i thought she gave the best speech at the democratic national convention by a couple of lengths. and that was a pretty good row of speakers there, including most of the people who were out there now operating as surrogates for the clinton campaign, who if nothing else -- the clinton campaign if nothing else has the 1927 yankees of surrogates, because i saw elizabeth warren the day before and she tore it up. but i think, you know, michelle obama, i did not see her that much during the 2008 campaign.
she's become a very good public speaker and a completely different one from her husband. which i find fascinating. he's -- i mean his -- she's a little bit less poetic and a little bit -- she's a little bit less jazz and a little bit more rock 'n' roll than he is. i mean the emotion is very close to the surface every time she speaks. >> i found -- i found her to be one of the most effective surrogates for exactly the reason charlie identifies, joy. first of all, she's in a unique position, the first lady always does. generally they have high favorability, they're sort out of the daily thrust of politics, but her as the vouch -- as the person vouching for hillary clinton, there's some -- what is it about her vouching for her that has the effect it does? >> well, michelle obama, first of all, is a first for a lot of reasons. first ladies don't do this. what she's doing is not even what eleanor roosevelt did. eleanor roosevelt was probably the most active first lady we've had in politics up until
michelle obama. she didn't do it in 2008 for a lot of other reaches. but what michelle obama did in 2008 was to take her magic wand and tap barack obama for black people. i was doing radio back then. a lot of african-americans didn't think he was authentic. name is barack obama. black people see people with unusual names but he had everything against him. not really chicago, really hawaii and an exotic figure and i know i was doing a show that had a mostly black audience who were more for hillary than barack obama. then michelle came along, tapped him with her magic and he seemed instantly authentic. she seems like your cousin, she seems like someone you know. she's so real. she's taken that magic and put that magic onto hillary clinton. she called her my girl. that was magic for hillary clinton. >> that is such a great point and that history is so lost in many respects about what happened in 2008 and particularly in that south carolina primary and getting there and her being able to sort of laying on hands role that she played then, reprising it now for hillary clinton. >> absolutely. >> michelle bernard, joy reid
and charlie pierce, thank you for staying with us on a somewhat hectic night. i appreciate it. that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> good job handling that breaking news. we had obviously no notice and you did great with that. >> not to blow up our e-mail correspondence, but thank you for your on-air fact checks and fact confirmation of something i said, which i greatly appreciated. >> you were wondering if there had been a previous news story about mike pence's pilot. there was, you sent it to you. you responded on air. well done, my friend. >> my favorite e-mail get, you were right. >> i'll send you one every day from here on out. thanks to you at home for joining us tonight. there is a lot of news, including a few stories that are still developing as we speak. as chris and i were just talking about there in the last hour, a plane carrying republican vice presidential candidate mike pence in fact skidded off the runway at new york's laguardia airport. now, the important bottom line here is not