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but if there is a steady stream of images in bill clinton tilling the soil, deadheading stuff, that would be a legacy to celebrate. that does it for us tonight. now it's time for "the last word", with lawrence o'donnell. >> any word from melania trump on the vegetable garden? >> no, but i think my phone is broken. i haven't heard from her in a long time. >> we're following breaking news tonight, involving mike pence's campaign airplane. everyone is safe after mike pence's plane slid off a rain-soaked runway at laguardia airport earlier tonight while landing. we will have a live report from someone who was on that plane. and, with just 11 days left in the campaign tonight, just 11, donald trump reached back 20 days with bill o'reilly to dwell
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on what was surely the worse day of the trump campaign. and one word from inside the trump campaign now indicates that voter suppression is the only way left for the trump campaign to win. >> do you believe you would be ahead if not for the "access hollywood" stuff? >> the microphone was not supposed to be on. >> we want a president who values and honors women. >> are you going to take any action after the election against nbc? >> you'll see, you'll see. >> make no mistake about it, casting our vote is the ultimate way of going high when they go low. we go vote. >> seriously, is there anyone more inspiring than michelle obama? >> first ladies, we rock. >> when i when, when, when, you understand me? >> we're twisting ourselves in knots a little bit to find a scenario where he wins. >> this thing is pretty much damn near toast. it is what this party and its
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nominee has done to itself. >> there have been this cascade of allegations of sexual misconduct. >> they brought forward six women. >> why didn't you write the story 12 years ago. >> she said she was afraid. >> oh, give me a break. >> donald trump's not afraid of anything except normal sized gloves. tonight, with the precious 11 days left in his presidential campaign, just 11 days for donald trump to pull off a come from behind victory and convince america that he should be the next president of the united states, donald trump pulled his campaign backward 20 days to the single worst day of the trump campaign, and issued another veiled threat tonight about the possibility now of suing nbc
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over the "access hollywood" tape where donald trump brags about his methods of sexual assault. "access hollywood" is owned by nbc universal. >> do you believe you would be ahead if not for the "access hollywood" stuff? >> i just don't know. i think it was very negative. it was locker room talk. the microphone was not supposed to be on, not that i make that as an excuse for myself, but certainly, it was an illegal act that was nbc. it was not supposed to be on. >> do you think it was illegal what they did, putting that tape out? >> oh, absolutely. that was a private locker, that was a private dressing room. >> are you going to take any action after the election against nbc? >> you'll see, you'll see. first of all, shouldn't have been said, but it was locker room talk. and yeah, i mean, you know, we're going to find out soon enough, i will tell you.
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>> attorney gloria allred will be joining us coming up. we'll get her view of the possibility of that lawsuit. a new cnbc national poll of likely voters shows hillary clinton at 43%, donald trump nine points down at 34%. donald trump continued to insist tonight that the polls are wrong. >> i won the third debate, easily. it wasn't even a contest. and everybody had me winning. every poll had me winning big-league. and then cnn did a poll, and they had me losing somewhat, and i said how did that happen, i wonder. and then there were other polls that were -- look, i'm winning in certain polls, and then in other polls, the dirty polls we call them, i was losing by numbers that were ridiculous. >> i have all the polls here. >> i think we're winning, but bill, you look at some of these polls, it's absolutely ridiculous. >> a stunning report from bloomberg business week today quotes a trump campaign senior
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official saying we have three major voter suppression operations under way, aimed at three groups. clinton needs to win overwhelmingly. white liberals, young women and african-americans. the strategy targets negative information about hillary clinton to those groups, including through facebook's so called dark posts. the campaign says only the people we want to see it, see it. in her first campaign appearance with hillary clinton today, michelle obama focussed on the trump voter suppression strategy. >> that's the strategy, to make this election so dirty and ugly that we don't want any part of it, so when you hear folks talking about a global conspiracy and saying that this election is rigged, understand that they are trying to get you to stay home.
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they are trying to convince you that your vote doesn't matter, that the outcome has already been determined, and you shouldn't even bother making your voice heard. they are trying to take away your hope. and just for the record, in this country, the united states of america, the voters decide our elections. they've always decided. voters decide who wins and who loses, period, end of story. >> join being us now, jill klein, and managing editor of bloomberg politics and co-host of "with all due respect". and a former romney deputy campaign manager and msnbc contributor. donald trump refusing to accept polls, and his staff saying, voter suppression, actually using the phrase voter suppression. >> can i give you a brief history of targeted voter suppression?
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it was invented by pat cadell who had a very, very unlovable candidate, alan cranston, for senate, senator in california. and he found out, cadell found out. >> it was '82? >> '84, something hike like that. the only way to get his guy elected was to make the other guy a complete mess, and it worked. and after 1984, it has been part of the dark arts. and it's disgraceful. and i don't know if it's going to work this year. i suspect it won't. >> but voter suppression is something darker than that, preventing people from getting to the polls, preventing them from being recognized as legitimate voters. there's a lot of suspicion that republicans have been up to that. >> and if true, disgusting and appalling.
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i will tell you what the bigger piece of news in that bloomberg piece is, which is that the trump campaign is doing a lot more polling and data analytics than anybody thought and they know they're losing, so when he says these things about how he doesn't believe the polls, his people looking at the polls, we know that we're losing this campaign and that it's basically over. that undermines everything he's saying on the stump. they have to turn to voter suppression, because they know there's no other way. >> have you worked on campaigns where the staff knows things that sometimes the candidate doesn't want to face? you think it's possible that the staff in that bloomberg piece are saying, yeah. nate silver's right, that that information isn't getting to donald trump? >> i don't know what the relationship is that they have with donald trump, but he has
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this unprecedented act to live in a fantasy world that i've never seen in a major party candidate before. i had a nephew who used to think he was batman. he didn't just love batman. he thought he was batman. but he was 4 years old, and he grew out of that. donald trump seems to live in this fantasy world, where he doesn't want to be confronted with reality. but anybody that's been in politics, that understands what's going on in these polls knows that donald trump has virtually no path to victory today, and talking about voter suppression is something that i've never heard in 25 years of campaigns in terms of a legitimate campaign operation. this is really unprecedented. >> so jill klein, donald trump's threatened to kill, to sue -- sorry, sorry, sorry. he's threatened to sue all of the women accusers that have come out in the last few weeks. he now tonight threatens to sue nbc. he doesn't know how to let this thing go, as the campaign proceeds. >> just think what would happen if he won, he'd be so busy with all these lawsuits he wouldn't
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be able to form an administration. but the interesting thing about donald trump and his lying and his own set of facts, both of us knew and loved daniel patrick moynahan, used to say you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own set of facts. this year, clearly as i've gone across the country and talked to trump supporters, they have their own set of facts as he does. so it's not just him lying all the time. it's him confirming the lies that his supporters believe, and that's kind of scary. >> what about the reach back? it's 20 days ago that we first saw the "access hollywood" video, and there's donald trump, double underlining it tonight. >> well, you know, you asked about bill o'reilly, he's never had any discipline about is staying away from any bait on the water. he's the trout that rides and jumps out of the stream and tries to grab the bait. this whole thing, we look at him and the way he's behaving, we say this is not the way you win a presidential election. well, he knows he's losing and he's not trying to win a
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presidential election anymore. >> you're of the school that donald trump himself knows that he's losing. >> yes. >> and he's planning for november 9th that involves something other than the presidency. >> again, the piece reports this very well. the data operations are now all about consolidating a list, e-mail addresses, contacts, so that you can take that and monday advertise it afterwards, and there is a conscious effort about riling up our base, convert those people into eyeballs and clicks on the other side of election day. >> to accomplish what? >> well, there are all these media opportunities out there for him. >> eyeballs and clicks. >> it's the theme of his tv show, money, money, money. >> maybe his target isn't to start a new political network. maybe his target is to take over spike tv or something like that and make that the trump network. you know, someplace where testosterone rules. >> let's listen to what he said today about how he will define
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winning and losing and whether he will concede that he's lost. let's listen to this. >> if she wins, if she gets the kind of win that president obama got, more than 300 electoral votes, several million in the popular vote, will you accept that -- >> i'll make that decision at the right time. i mean, don't worry about it. i'll make the decision at the right time. but we have a rigged system. >> katie, how do you translate that answer tonight? >> i mean, it's just a further attempt to ignite controversy. what donald trump is very, very good at is never, ever, ever taking real responsibility for his words, for his actions, for his failures in any way. and so he just tries to leave the door open to say, this wasn't my fault. i didn't lose. i didn't fail. there must be some other power at play here, and that's what he's trying to do, but, i mean that kind of an electoral vote landslide isn't going to be
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explained by a rigged system. >> we are looking at polls tonight that we haven't seen in a long time involving democrats. republican is one point ahead of the democrat in georgia, joe. we haven't seen that in a generation. in texas, the republican is three points ahead of the democrat. georgia's, seems to me, to be the first state to watch on election night. if hillary clinton loses that state, even by less than five, it tells you that she's really on her way. if she comes out ahead, that, there's just nothing else to talk about. >> i would say north carolina more so than that. i would be surprised. it would be interesting if she won georgia, but if she loses north carolina, i am not conceding this election yet. it won't even be over when it's over. because we'll still have this guy to deal with on november 9th. >> but your point, it is the case. she can win north carolina by one and there will still be tight states for the rest of the night. if she winning georgia, she's
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going to be over 400 electoral votes if she wins georgia. >> katie, get in on this. what's the first state you're going to be looking at to tell you what the rest of them's going to do. >> well, i think north carolina is a really important one, but i also think that ohio is a state that everybody's been looking at as a state that trump could have a pickup. it would be a state that mitt romney lost in 2012. so it would be an improvement over 2012. and everybody's been sort of looking at that as the state that he had a real opportunity because of the working class white men that, you know, supposedly are going to save hit candidacy. and i think if he falls short in ohio i think the dominoes just fall from there. >> that's the last word on the campaign from this segment. joe, quickly, before we go, you've been on more campaign planes than anybody in the building. how many rough landings have you had in a campaign plane? >> there was one with jerry
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brown where the flaps weren't working, but usually they're pretty good. but i, you know, i've been on a -- >> sliding off the runway at laguardia in the rain. >> i'm still doing it. enough already. >> usually we vet the pilots. >> thank you all for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. coming up next, melania trump once again has said that she wants donald trump to sue all the women who have accused him of sexual assault. attorney gloria allred, who is representing three of those accusers, will join us next to respond. and later, we're going to go inside the trump bunker. a report of what steve bannon is planning on november 9, after planning on november 9, after this election.
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the u.s.those of us whoof freedserved in the military are very proud of that. i believe very, very strongly in our country and what we stand for. i went to iraq in 2004 to fight for freedom. for generations, our troops have sacrificed for our freedoms.
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one of the most important things we do is vote - to protect that freedom. i'm tom steyer. let's make the people we're so proud of, proud of us. please. vote. vote. vote. vote. i just spoke to our future vice president. and he's okay. did you know he was in a big accident with a plane.
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the plane skidded off the runway and was pretty chose to grave, grave danger, but i just spoke to mike pence, and he's fine. >> that was donald trump just a short time ago commenting on mike pence's plane skidding off the runway at laguardia. it wasn't a big accident. one runway remains closed indefinitely now after that accident. no one on board was injured. the ntsb will investigate what caused that situation. mike pence tweeted, so thankful everyone on our plane is safe, grateful for our first responders and the concern and prayers of so many. back on the trail tomorrow. hillary clinton issued a personal tweet saying glad to hear mike pence's staff, secret service and the crew are all safe, signed h, we are very glad that vaughan hilliard is safe. he is the nbc campaign reporter who was on that plane. vaughan, i know you were just on with rachel talking about this. but every landing at laguardia
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is a little -- you never feel good until that plane stops at laguardia. >> sure, sure. >> but tonight, what runway, and did it feel, did you know this was bad? at what point did you feel it was bad? >> we came into marine air terminal. we've been on the pence plane for a little more than three months, and we've come to realize that rough landings are a usual thing. earlier we landed in ft. dodge, iowa. you can see the sky again as we brace for this. >> and that was in good weather? >> that was in clear-sky, iowa weather. so we've joked about, at what point are we going -- >> have you seen the pilot all the time? >> i'm not sure. we do have rotating pilots. they've always been good to work with. and you have the secret service for about ten rows and the press. there was about eight of us on the plane in the back. so tonight, we were going through the clouds. the plane was already delayed. then we come through the clouds, go through the rain. you hit, bounce two, three
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seconds, and that's when the swerve takes place. we go off to the right. and we're just thinking this is still typical. so we come to a hard stop. you look out the window, you can see the gas station, maybe 50, 100 yards away, the fence, holy cow, the smell of rubber comes up. and you're like, okay, we're used to rough landings, but the smell of rubber doesn't usually come up. >> i know exactly where you ended up. this is all going to be on mike pence "morning joe" tomorrow. we are really glad you are among the safe. coming up next, attorney gloria allred. she's representing three of the women accusing donald trump.
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13 days ago, the trump campaign promised to release evidence that would prove all the women who accused donald trump of sexual assault are lying. all of them. 13 days later, the trump campaign has released no evidence about any of those accusations. and now, with just 11 days left in the presidential campaign, a 12th woman has come forward, accusing donald trump of grabbing her. niny lochsanen says he grabbed her moments before she appeared on the late show with david letterman. he owned the pageant at that time. nbc news hasn't confirmed these
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new allegations. shy also told a finnish newspaper, somebody told me there that trump liked me, because i looked like melania, when she was younger. it left me disgusted. in an interview taped before the latest accusations from the former ms. finland, melania trump said this. >> they were, they were lies. and, as i said before, all the accusations, they should be handled in a court of law. >> so you believe the lawsuit should go forward? >> yes, i believe that, and because to accuse somebody without evidence, it's very hurtful, and it's very damaging and unfair. >> the lawsuits that george stephanopoulos referred to of course were the ones donald trump threatened to sue his accusers. attorney gloria allred represents three of those supporters, also is a hillary clinton supporter. thank you very much for joining
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us tonight. >> thank you. >> what was your reaction to this threat, again today, issued now by both donald trump and melania trump of suing your clients and all of the accusers of donald trump? >> well, lawrence, he is threatening to sue the "new york times," the accusers that accuse him of assaulting them. the nbc, and god knows who else he's planning to sue. but i guess he doesn't want to take responsibility for what his own words were on the "access hollywood" tapes. this is ridiculous. has he never heard of the first amendment? has he never heard of free speech? there are so many people who come to this country, because they want to be able to exercise the free speech that they cannot exercise in many parts of the world. in fact, if they do exercise it
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and criticize their president or even someone who might wish to be president, they face possible arrests, possible prosecution. we have that wonderful first amendment to the united states constitution, free speech, and mr. trump has to understand that he should not be threatening anyone who just displeases him, criticizes him, he needs to get over it. let him give his defense without bullying his way into the white house and then spending his time, if god forbid, he gets there, sitting in depositions as you just said, with all of the people that he's sued. i mean, how is he going to deal with any major crisis of our nation if there is one, if he's sitting in a deposition and trying to defend the lawsuits, which, by the way, might be filed against him or if he does file against the women would he might face a lawsuit then, a cross complaint, because he's alleged actions that are, he's alleged that they have defamed him, and they may allege that he
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defamed them, by calling them liars, by saying their claims are fabrication, that it's fiction. be careful what you wish for, mr. trump, because you just might get it. >> let me get your reaction to this latest threat issued in the last hour and a half of suing nbc for the release of the accession hollywood video. can you see any cause of action in that? >> well, you know, i don't know what all the true facts are, lawrence. and i certainly don't get my facts from donald trump. given the list of lies that he has said about so many people, they're all listed on the internet, i mean, you can't even keep up with them. so i don't know whether he knew that his mic was hot. i don't know what the contracts say, if anything, about whether, what he was saying when he was miked, could be used at any other time. i don't know how those tapes ultimately became public,
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whether nbc had anything to do with them, how it came into possession of someone. these are just unknown facts, so i can't speculate. unlike donald trump, unless i have the true facts, i don't draw conclusions. but why don't you, nbc, just say game on, donald trump, if that's what he wants to do, if he wants to fight it out in a lawsuit, okay, he'll fight it out in a lawsuit. >> quickly before we go, what would be your defense strategy if donald trump did file one of these lawsuits? >> well, i can tell you that he's not going to make women cower. those days of bullying women, and many women are still being bullied at home, in their workplace, in their community, and we're just not going to take it anymore. these women, if they are sued by donald trump, at least the ones that i represent, we have a, i'm going to vigorously defend them. we have armies of attorneys who are going to be available to
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even represent perhaps those women that i don't represent. there's going to be a well-funded defense. so all your attempts to make women cower in fear, mr. trump, are going to be complete lay unsuccessful, as to me, as i have said, smarter, richer and more famous people than you, mr. trump, have tried to threaten me and failed. >> you sound eager to get him under oath in a deposition. >> it would be my pleasure. >> thank you for joining us tonight, really appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, inside the trump bunker, what steve bannon and donald trump are planning for november 9th.
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in a rare interview, steve bannon, ceo of the trump campaign told bloomberg business week, trump is a builder, and what he's built is the apparatus to dominate republican politics after that. and what if it doesn't propel donald trump to victory? will the republican machine still dominate politics? will they try to create a new party, an independent party that would wage war on both the democrat and republican parties? as much as donald trump wants to deny the validity of all the polls that show him losing. one trump staffer told bloomberg
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business week nate silver's results have been similar to ours, that trump campaign staffer confirmed that trump's own polling shows him losing in the same way that nate silver's projections show donald trump losing. so when the trump campaign looks at those polls, what do they really expect to be doing on november 9th? the bloomberg article reports by election day, the campaign expects to have captured 12 million to 14 million e-mail addresses and contact information including credit card numbers for 2.5 million small-dollar donors who together will have ponied up almost $275 million. i wouldn't have come aboard even for trump if i hadn't known they were building this massive facebook and data engine, says bannon. facebook is what propelled breitbart to a massive audience.
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we know its power. if hillary clinton is president and is trying to fill a vacancy on the supreme court, what will the trump/bannon machine do? what will they tell republicans to do? yesterday ted cruz raised the possibility that a republican senate will simply never confirm a supreme court justice appointed by president obama whose latest appointment they've delayed for almost a year or by a new president clinton? he said there is certainly long historical precedent for a supreme court with fewer justices. i would note recently, that justice breyer noted that it has not limited the court on doing its job. joining us now, one who co-wrote that piece. and also senior editor for the atlantic.
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we've already talked about it in the beginning of the show, your article tonight, but this, this massive database that they have built, isn't there now some dispute as to who owns that information? what is owned by the republican party and what is owned by the trump campaign and owned by donald trump? >> yeah, there are a few different types of data, and a few different lists. and they have sort of different providences and different ownership. there's approximately 2.5 million small donors you mentioned. they gave money jointly to the rnc and trump campaign, and both entities have access to those names. there's another list that the trump campaign estimates will be another 10 million or so names by election day, these are people who haven't given money but have signed up, given an e-mail address or cell phone number for mobile communication. these are supporters who've signed up as activists. the trump campaign alone paid to
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advertise and build that list. and our understanding is that the trump campaign owns that list and the rnc has no claim to it. >> david from, i don't want to suggest that this campaign is over, this election is over. there's a distinct possibility donald trump could win this. it's still present, but, for the moment, let's anticipate a world in which donald trump doesn't win, and you have this team together, with all this information that they've gathered. in political terms, what would you expect them to use it for? would you expect them for example to insist that if it's a republican senate no supreme court justice gets confirmed for four years? >> i want to honor sasha's amazing reporting. it's not a criticism of him and his work to suggest that his sorts are deluding themselves about the power of what they've put together. when donald, should he lose and should he lose as big as he's going to, there is going to be a scorched earth period of
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recrimination and donald trump will be the target of the recriminations and the people around him will be the target of the recrimination. and as we discover, how much self-dealing there has been, how badly the campaign was run, and how everyone was preparing their parachutes, there's going to be a revulsion against this crew. i don't think they're going to have the clout they imagine. imagine how true it will be if people are unsuccessful. i think we will discover we're in a new terrain with new personalities and new issues driven by opposition to the hillary clinton administration should there be one. >> let's listen to what john mccain said in a radio interview about the supreme court. >> i promise you, that we will, we will be united against any supreme court nominee that
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hillary clinton, if she were president will put up. i promise you. >> sasha, the reason i want you to hear that is i don't see any difference between ted cruz and john mccain on this issue. and i think we know where a breitbart inspired trump entity would be on issues like that if there is a clinton presidency. >> that may be so, although steve bannon seems to have the greatest enmity towards republican leaders, especially paul ryan and seems to be zagging. so whatever step, i wouldn't necessarily think it would be a dogmatic ancillary. i think he has proved he sees the market niche doing something different, that's often being at
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odds with other republican leaders and their priorities. >> rush limbaugh loses a lot of elections. as a cheerleader, he ends up being the cheerleader for losers. he doesn't seem to lose any influence through that process. and if donald trump is more in the rush limbaugh mold than in the romney mold or, you know, the mold of previous losers of presidential races, it seems to me that donald trump would be able to wield whatever power rush limbaugh continues to wield. >> i just don't agree with that. donald trump promised that he'd win so much that we'd be sick of winning. after three defeats, if that's what happens, we're going to be really sick of losing, and i think republicans are going to start to do the things they need to do in order to win. that doesn't mean there won't be an amazing fight over the supreme court nomination. within of the things that is at issue, president obama has issued a series of executive orders amounting to kind of an
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immigration amnesty that all conservatives, even john mccain, think is lawless. and if the wrong person is appointed to the supreme court, they may ratify those executive orders, and even people who disagree with the underlying policy may say this is an unconscionable way to do it. so we're going to have a big fight over that. we're going to have a lot of fights. and as those fighting progress, new leaders will come to the floor, more competent than donald trump, and they will build a national constituency. >> thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. more than 2 million votes have already been cast in florida. 2 million votes already cast in florida. we will go inside the war room with a florida strategist who helped president obama win florida twice, and remember, without florida, a donald trump victory is absolutely mathematically impossible. so, in the immortal words of tim russert, it is once again,
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florida, florida, florida.
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time for tonight's campaign war room. 11 days. that's all that's left. each day now becomes twice as intense. they know that much of the election is already out of their control. because so many people have already voted. they voted early. more republican affiliated voters have cast ballots in three straights, arizona, georgia and pennsylvania. more democratic affiliated voters have cast balloting in eight states.
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and in one state, florida, the two partying are tied in early voting. with 11 days left for the presidential campaigns, joining us is steve shale, the former state director for the obama 2008 and senior adviser for the obama 2012 campaigns. steve, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i want to take a quick look at the latest florida polls. we have hillary clinton at 43 with donald trump at 39 in the latest poll that's been released down there, another one yesterday, a florida poll saying donald trump 45, hillary clinton 43. what's your guess about what the truth is right now in these polls? >> well, i mean, i think, lawrence, thanks for having me on. we've seen six of the last 18 polls, clinton being ahead or tied. five of the last six, she's been up three or four points. the bloomberg poll was up, it's way too republican.
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so i think the three to four is about where it is right now. >> and what do you see as the deciding factors between now and election night in florida? and given that there's all this early voting that's already occurred. it's a strange thing to talk about in terms of what's left to do. >> i mean, first of all, as of tonight, i bet you, between2.8 and 2.9 million votes are already in the bag. a third of the election already over, and what's good news for hillary clinton, the place she needs to do well, places like miami, ft. lauderdale and orlando, robust turnout. so really, she needs to keep doing what she's doing, turning out these unlikely voters coming out at a pretty decent pace and blocking and tackling. >> do we know, on election day, whether more votes broke for democrats or for republicans on election day? >> in 2008, republicans won election day in a large margin.
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we had about 70% to 80% of our vote already in. in 2012 they won it narrowly. so the way it's trending right now, i think there's a pretty good chance we'll know where this race is by wednesday or thursday next week. >> so in the 21st century, it's all about early voting in florida. coming up, mark ruffalo will join us, he's just returned from north dakota where there was another major confrontation with police today. we'll have coverage on what happened today, coming up.
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a dramatic standoff led to 16 more arrests today as a massive police presence from north dakota and neighboring states confronted the largest
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native-american uprising since the united states army's wars against the tribes. nbc news miguel almaguer has the story. >> reporter: tonight near cannonball, north dakota, this is the intense faceoff between an army of police, native-american protesters block highway 1806, trying to shut down construction of a controversial oil pipeline on private land. officers in armored vehicles wearing riot gear are pouring in with air support. battle lines drawn, now making arrests. >> we're trying to avoid the confrontation. they drew the line in the sand today. >> reporter: after setting fears and block the bridge in the path of the pipeline, months of tension have escalated. some promise a fight to the end. >> there's no fear here. we know that we have the moral high ground and that we're doing what's right. >> reporter: miguel almaguer nbc news.
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the clinton has finally give and statement about the protests in north dakota and the protests today in brooklyn. actor mark ruffalo joins us, just back from north dakota.
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let your tribal chairman talk to president obama, talk to the federal government. let's engage in the courts. let's engage in the right way to do this and not take over somebody else's land. >> joining us now, mark ruffalo, activist and academy award-nominated actors for his roles in "spotlight", and "fox chaser." you just got back yesterday? >> last night. >> you just heard what the police said. negotiate, talk to the president. talk to, we've been trying for weeks to get a response out of hillary clinton, which we finally did today, but it's not easy to get people engaged on this. >> no, it's not. it's been tough to get folks down there, the media down there
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to see what's happening, it's been going on since april. but in response to what he's saying, the department of interior, the d.o.j. and the army corps of engineers told the construction company to stop working. they asked them to volumen terrily stop. >> they didn't have these militarized troops out there as it is, the military-style vehicles. >> so the governor, governor dalrymple basically created a state of emergency. most of the people there are young people. the people who started this are young people. you had gracie on last night. they're young people, 15-year-old kids, girls, getting maced in the face. in prayer, all of them taught to
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be peaceful protesters, trained for it. there's the rubber bullet in the face. these are young people. and, and what's happening is the governor calls a state of emergency, brings the national guard in, kicks off this new law, which allows, when someone calls a state of emergency, to bring in out of state police forces to come in and police in-state citizens. and, and when you create a state of emergency like that, everyone's on edge. they think it's an emergency. the police think it's an emergency. the national guard thinks it's an emergency. so what do you do in an emergency? you bring in tanks with 50-caliber machine guns on them, cops standing around with ar-15s at roadblocks, you know? and it's this escalation of aggressive and really antagonistic violence towards these peaceful protesters.
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these people -- >> the chairman of the tribe who was here last night flew back early today because of the situation and the new round of arrests. >> these are his people. the children, they asked the young people to leave today. they said no, we're going to fight for our lives. we're going to fight for our water. this is a second genocide for us. we've already been through this. we waited for the federal government to be there for us, and now they're letting us down again. so they're broken. i was talking, i met all these young people. i've looked in their eyes. i knew what their intent was. they're not there to hurt anybody. they're there to protect their land. >> someone went out to hillary clinton's campaign office today, i think we may have video of that, trying to get a response from the campaign about it. they had trouble delivering their letter to the campaign. there they are in the campaign office, but eventually, the letter got through, the clinton campaign released a statement saying we received the letter
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today from representatives of the tribes. there is no real position revealed here. it ends with the clinton campaign statement saying it's important that on the ground in north dakota everyone respects demonstrators' rights to protest peacefully and workers' rights to do their jobbing safely. so that doesn't clarify much about where a possible president clinton would stand. >> no. and right now, if you went to the 1851 treaty, the land treaty, this land belongs to the natives, and the -- >> the treaty that we violated. >> a treaty that we violated several, several, several times. this land belongs to the nativesen, and all president obama has to do is basically with the stroke of a pen say that land belongs to the natives, back off. these young people who were at hillary's office, on the front line, who started this movement, all met with obama two years ago. >> yes, yes. >> and he promised to protect
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them. he took them to the white house. >> he stopped the construction and the army corps of engineers controls that. he did what he could. what might the next president do? >> we know where bernie came out on this. >> bernie's opposed to it. >> we know where he's going to come out. and we're waiting to hear from clinton, a definitive answer of what's going to happen here. this pipeline does not have to go through here. every other pipeline in the state goes -- >> what was it like to be there? >> i have been, i've been in a lot of protests. i've never been in one that was so moving, determined, respectful, solemn, loving and kind. it was, i was at occupy wall street, the keystone pipeline, here in new york state as we fought against fracking, and i've never been around such a decent group of people.
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>> that was my experience out there too, thank you. really appreciate it. that's it for the last word tonight, the 11 hour with brian williams is live, and it is next. the breaking news tonight, some scary moments on the "the 11th hour" begins now. good evening. a lot to talk about here in new york. tomorrow morning will put us just 11 days out from election day. we begin with breaking news from, of all places, laguardia airport, where the plane carrying vp candidate mike pence skidded off the runway and

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