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there. mike pence will be in florida for three stops in that state. those guys are busy. >> a lot going on, final stretch. that's going to do it for us on this monday. i'm betty nguyen alongside week ago what is the end game for donald trump? can he pull off the most spectacular upset in election history or has his unprecedented campaign hit an impregnable wall? >> with just over two weeks to go until election day and early voting already happening in many states, hillary clinton leads in the polls leading some republicans to worry about a route. >> while it's too early to declare this election over, remember tom brokabrokaw's ufo theory. >> how close to over is this? >> donald trump could have won this race. >> the head of the fbi dropped a bomb in the race for president this afternoon. one that has the trump campaign celebrating and the clinton camp scratching its head. >> i know that we've got to keep
our foot on the gas. donald trump says he can still win, and you know, he's right. anything can happen in an election. >> and anything has over and over again for two years now. >> good morning, everyone. it's monday. >> can you believe how big the news was this weekend? >> it was huge. >> nobody -- i'm sorry. nobody saw this coming. mike, i was sure the cubs were going to win in five. but the indians are on fire. >> that's the only story out there. >> it is the story that has shocked america. >> we go back to cleveland, joe. hopefully it goes seven. if it goes seven, that means three more days we don't have to deal with what we actually have to deal with. >> we have to deal with that unfortunately right now. it could be very interesting series tonight. they could win. they could win tonight. >> we'll deal with that later.
>> i think they're going to. i think shear going to seven. do they go ahead and pitch kluber in seven. he's amazing. i want to talk about kluber. we don't want to talk about this. go ahead. >> baseball over politics? i am. >> with us on set, we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. managing editor of bloomberg politics and co-host of "with all due respect" john heilemann. former communications director for george w. bush, nicole wallace and in detroit, associate publisher and contributor to the atlantic magazine, ron. with eight days to go, friday's bombshell announcement into the investigation of hillary clinton's private e-mail server has rocked the campaign.
the fbi obtained a warrant as they race to determine if they are connected to the inquiry. on friday, comey sent a letter to congress informing them "in connection with an unrelated case, the fbi has learned of the existence of e-mails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation. i agree that the fbi should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these e-mails to determine whether they contained classified information as well as to assess their importance to our investigation." soon after law enforcement officials reveal the discovery was from laptop once shared by top clinton aide aberdeen and
her husband anthony weiner. at the time, wiener admitted "terrible" judgment but claimed he was the victim of a hoax. according to "the new york times," on october 3rd, agents seized wiener's iphone, ipad and a laptop where they found hundreds of thousands of e-mails including some that are clinton related. agents investigating clinton's private server knew in early october that messages recovered in the wiener case might be germain to the clinton case. aberdeen does not have access to the computer in question. that computer is currently with fbi officials who are now reviewing a portion of the hundreds of thousands of e-mails for evidence related to clinton.
so here's how donald trump reacted to the news over the weekend. >> the system is rigged. i've been saying it for a long time. you know what? what happened today starting with the fbi maybe the system will become a little less rigged. beautiful. i'll bet you without any knowledge there was a revolt in the fbi. i'll bet you there was a revolt in the fbi by what they allowed to happen with respect to hillary clinton. there was a revolt. now the fbi has found -- you're not going to believe this one. this just happened. another 650,000 e-mails. how do you get to 650 -- i think
that's called the mother lode. i think they found them all. the 33,000 that she deleted and bleached, i think will be in the 650. how do you have that many e-mails? sit down all day and just keep typing? no wonder nothing gets done in our country. was publicly reported that sources close to hillary clinton said -- and she actually, i think, said it to the papers that she was thinking of reappointed attorney general lynch and i guess you effectively would call that a bribe. to cover up her crimes, she bleached and deleted 33,000 e-mails after receiving a congressional subpoena. i have a feeling they just found a lot of them. don't you think?
i have a feeling. they just found a lot of them we never thought we were going to say thank you to anthony weiner. >> trump was one of the people sounding the alarm about anthony wein weiner's proximity to sensitive information early on. it came out that huma abedin knows all about hillary's private illegal e-mails. >> huma now is one of the people that it all sort of came through huma. who is huma married to? one of the great sleazebags of our time. anthony weiner.
did you know that? she's married to anthony weiner. you know, the little binge, binge, binge, i love you very much. so no think of it. so huma is getting classified secrets. she's married to anthony weiner who is a perv. it's coming through huma. a lot of stuff. a lot of information. who knows. so she's married to a bad guy. do you think there's even a 5% chance that she's not telling anthony weiner now of a public relations firm what the hell is coming across? do you think there's even a little bit of a chance? i don't think so. >> the clinton campaign has responded to the developments with outrage and said this latest turn won't change the outcome of the investigation or the election for that matter. they have accused comey of violating justice department
protocol in handling such matters amid an election season. "the washington post" reports that fbi officials gave the doj a heads-up on thursday. the message from the justice department in response according to a unanimous source that we don't comment on an ongoing investigation and we don't take steps that will be viewed as influencing an election. that official went on to tell the paper, director comey understood our position and it was conveyed to the fbi and comey made an independent decision to alert the hill. he's operating independently of the justice department and he knows it. the clinton campaign dismissed the fbi director's letter as vague, inappropriate, light on facts, heavy on innuendo and overblown. the clinton campaign also says the e-mails in question were never withheld from clinton or the campaign and are not necessarily to or from her and
likely at least some are duplicates of ones already reviewed. >> some of you may have heard about a letter that the fbi director sent out yesterday. it's pretty strange to put something like that out with such little information right before an election. it's unprecedented and it is deeply troubling. now, of course, donald trump is already making up lies about this. i think it's time for donald trump to stop fear mongering, to stop disgraces himself. to stop attacking our democracy. we can't let him get away with this, can we? >> the stance the clinton campaign is taking now under director comey is extremely different from the past few
weeks when they continually praised him for his restraint. >> what i do know is this. there was an extensive investigation by the fbi under the direction of a wonderful and tough career public servant jim comey. somebody with the highest of standards of integrity. >> i think director comey could not have been more exhaustive. >> i am grateful for the professionalism of the fbi and department of justice. >> this is a great man. we're privileged in our country to have him be the director of the fbi. >> no one can question the integrity and competence. >> i don't know whether you're family is watching this, but i hope that they are as proud of you as i am. >> mike barnicle -- >> but now he said -- i saw harry reid there. they said he was a great man. it's so confusing because
trump's people were just the opposite until this weekend. >> my god. >> mike barnicle, you know, when the first lies came out from media reports that there were only three e-mails, i think like a lot of people how could james comey do this? this was outrageous and then actually more misinformation. none to or from the clinton server. all friday afternoon and evening. how could james comey do that? we found out there was horrific reporting on friday afternoon sort of the fog of war now there are 650,000. there may be thousands back and forth to the clinton server. comey was in a no-win situation. if he did what he did, he was going to get attacked and if he waited until after the election, until two to three days after the election, everybody knows that's the case. he was in a no-win situation. what a lot of people don't know is what you know from your
sources and from what i've heard, and what "the wall street journal" reported last night, he had a mutiny onboard at the fbi. they were -- he was sitting on top of an exploding situation over there. >> according to three people i spoke to this weekend, all affiliated with the fbi, all retired, two of them very highly placed within the fbi structure, director comey has put his own reputation at risk over the past several days and the principle reason he did it -- there were a couple of reasons. one, the fbi beneath him is in term o turmoil. a lot of dissension over this case. haas has been for many months. and the director feared once he found out about this new cache of e-mails, once he found that out, he feared that one of the teams of agents working in this case for some months now would leak the story about the
discovery of the e-mails on anthony weiner's computer and that would make the entire process look even more tainted than a lot of people feel it appears right now. that's the principle reason he leaked it. but the larger story here is there has never been a grand jury empanelled in this case which is severely aggravated many agents. >> fbi professionals which there are reports for some time after the july decision that they always refuse to impanel a grand jury, and it enraged a lot of career professionals at the fbi. lawyers at the fbi could not believe how this was being handled and then were doubly aggravated that they went out and held a press conference as a cya operation when they didn't feel like justice was deeg served inside their own agency and as you read in "the wall street journal" reporting last
night, which got the reporter next block to talk about that, many were absolutely outraged at what considered to be stone walling by the justice department and by mccabe to be able to pursue an investigation on the clinton foundation, which you've said from the very beginning your sources inside clinton, inc told you is the real story. >> the writer is a friend of mine. it shows the dissension within the fbi. stepping back here, this is another example of these two parties destroying the credibility of an institution that's important to us. as your fine block here showed, you had for political partisan reasons the clinton people
praising comey and trump denouncing comey this summer and now the roles are reversed. not out of integrity or a different set of facts but political purposes on both sides. >> we have the latest abc news poll showing a major tightening in the race. trump within 1% of hillary clinton nationally. 46-45. as recently as last sunday, that margin was 12 points. the poll shows that for nearly two-thirds of all likely voters the latest chapter regarding clinton's e-mail server makes no difference in their support for clinton but nearly a third say it has made them less likely to vote for her. of those voters, 17s are democratic party supporters. the rest of republicans or lean republican. i would think the republicans that growing number choosing to vote for clinton because they feel they have no option, this may give them pause. >> i heard over the weekend some observations of people
particularly worried about the down ballot races and that this really -- the democrats particularly worried that all of those senate tossup races may be tipped back toward republicans. i think this was never a 12-point race. i don't think anybody thought it was a 12-point race. clinton campaign thought more of a 4-point race and that was probably right. >> everyone thought the race was over last week when the race was closing. abc polling had gone from 12 to 4 down to 2 before they even started to factor in these things. there's a lot of the swing states within the margin of error right now. what does it mean moving forward? i mean, look at those trend lines. what does it mean as we move forward in the final ten days. by the way, happy halloween, everybody. >> i wouldn't want -- i respect the abc and "the washington post" poll. there's been a fair amount of stability. if you look across all of the polls where the right thing has been -- until this news, it's not clear to me the race was
closing, i also don't think it was a 12-point race. you looked at polling you had a five or six-point race. now it's clearly going to get tighter. it's a huge political problem for the clinton campaign. we can talk about comey and appropriateness of what he did. separate topic. he's now done what he did. and for them it's blot out of the sun from now until election day. a campaign that felt like it had things totally in hand and talking about things it wanted to talk about which was largely donald trump. trump campaign on defense. clinton campaign on offense and the subject of the race donald trump which was where the clinton campaign wants the race to be. either candidate, that candidate is in trouble. talking about -- >> do we notice this past week and then just quickly pass it around, donald trump over the past week has laid back.
he hasn't made the news. he hasn't made himself the story over the past four or five days and impact is devastating -- not for donald trump. >> he's somehow managed to stay out of the way of this story. as i was saying when we talk about hillary clinton, she tends to fall in the polls and hilry clinton tends to fall in the polls and clinton campaign didn't want to talk about this subject in the closing seven, eight days of the campaign. whether it will change the fundamental structure of the race or not is too early to say. >> let's bring in by phone mark halperin. all weekend i think the clinton team have done exactly what they need to do. they've gone out and said we want the fbi director to be as transparent as possible. we want all of the information out there. we want it all put on the table. >> you can't. >> the fact of the matter is they know, first of all, that they can't.
secondly, they don't want 650,000 e-mails or thousand e-mails going back and forth thrown out there and they don't want general statements out there about what the fbi is looking for because it's not good news for huma, for cheryl mills or for hillary clinton. so what does the clinton campaign do in the final ten days? >> first, go cubs. second, comey did an outrageous thing whatever dissension there is and whatever problems in his own backyard. it's too soon to say if there's a political implication of this, how voters are receiving it. the clinton campaign is saying and hoping that this gets democrats all riled up and helps hillary clinton with her problems with her base. i think there's no doubt as john said, if this last few days of the campaign end up being about hillary clinton and secrecy and investigation, there's no doubt that gives donald trump the opening. running the numbers and giving
trump every benefit of the doubt on the popular vote within the battleground states, the electoral college, it's still very hard to see him getting to 270. he can get to 265 at which point who wants to bet against a crazy thing? >> i'll say the same thing i said last week, isn't it too early to say? we have got swing state polls tied in colorado basically within the margin of error. tied in arizona within the margin of error. tide in north carolina within the margin of error and tied in all of these other states. they're tied in -- four points in new hampshire. these races, they are all at the end of last week they were all tight. three, four, five. and i'm sorry. don't we wait until actually the polls come out in the next couple of days to determine whether his pathway is
impossible or not? >> you and i have discussed this for a couple weeks. i don't know why people are making this rush to say it's completely over when go state by state that trump would need to get to 265 he's within distance even before this news. north carolina is the toughest one for him. if he doesn't get north carolina, i don't see a path for him. she's got a lead there and clinton campaign has poured resources into that state. this news is volatile and it certainly goes to -- people can say, well, six in ten voters say the latest news won't affect them. that means four in ten say it will. and i wouldn't say it's the worst case for hillary clinton but comey shouldn't have done what he did even if there had been a grand jury impanelled. i don't think he should have did what he did. >> a lot of us would have said that after the election if we found out they held onto a computer for a month with 650,000 e-mails. >> three, four, five, again,
just use 2012 as an example going to polling. if you're ahead by three or four or five points in basically every battleground state and national polls that show you ahead -- >> which she's not. >> that's why i don't think the race was -- prior to this, the race was not all that tight. that's what -- >> you know where i get that from? you. you said there has to be a rule. you said let's make this rule moving forward over the next month and a half that if a poll is within the margin of error, we need to say it's tied. >> my point is when you get to ten days out and you have months of polling that shows the race in a certain place, that's what the obama race was in 2012. that's exactly where obama people said we're ahead by three or four points in every battleground state for mondathsf consistent polling. that's when the rule goes out the window.
>> that's not the case here. it's not as stable as it was for obama. >> it's been pretty stable. >> no, it hasn't. it's been up and down. three times that people have said that donald trump was out for good and three times over the past three months i've gone around the table and polled people who have said it was done and then a week later, they're going, well donald trump -- it's been -- it's all on transcript. we'll get the transcripts out. >> here is one of her major problems. this antidotal but this occurred. on friday i voted. and to mark's point about 4 in 10 still wonder about hillary clinton and have questions about hillary clinton off this latest jim comey thing, there is a selective group of people out there, voters, i'll call them the aggravated voter. they haven't voted yet. they are available. and you don't know what this is going to trigger in them. they are aggravated enough that
both candidates bother them. so which candidate is going to bother them the least when they finally do vote? that's the question. >> what's your take on all this? >> watching this all weekend, i will say, first of all, everyone talks about what comey did as being outrageous. this was a great credible man with great integrity a week ago. so i don't recall get that. what if there is something big? we're not going say it was so outrageous. the bottom line is this all goes back to the server. something she shouldn't have done. something that was way more than a mistake. way more. and this is a self-inflicted massive wound. i just kept thinking how i've been on my horse going after republicans and the republican party. you nominateded this guy. you nominated donald trump. how could you do that? when i'm thinking democrats nominated someone who was under an fbi investigation for having a private server among other
things. here we are. here we are. >> here's the deal on the warrant. they finally get the warrant to look at the e-mails. there's a group of fbi agents who have seen enough of those e-mails. >> can i stop you there. i know we're way over. i hear people this weekend -- first of all, saying so much bad information trying to spin wildly for hillary clinton. there's a yahoo! report, the fbi officials haven't seen any of the e-mails. they have no idea what's even in there. well, wolf, you know, they don't even know what's inside of there. well, tom, they have no idea. let me tell you something. if you really believe that, then, please, come to 30 rock and get on my multicolored unicorned ed ed ed ed a at noo fly to atlantis together. >> is it perhaps that comey has integrity? >> they know enough information. >> look at this.
we have to get a warrant. >> they usually do this, we better get a warrant. let me see another one just to make sure. wow. let's see another just -- yeah, okay, yeah. we need to get a warrant. i just -- i have been stunned by the reporting this weekend. the spinning and the reporting this weekend. three e-mails. only three e-mails involved and then that spun everybody up all afternoon. 650,000 they've got to sort through. >> computers with delete buttons on them too. who keeps 650,000 e-mails on their laptop? >> who writes 650,000 e-mails? >> anthony weiner and the clinton campaign apparently. >> we'll get into reporting from "the wall street journal" inside the feud between justice department and fbi officials about how to handle the investigation and later, a live interview with donald trump's campaign manager kellyanne
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>> so we were just talking, nicole, off camera. the biggest sigh of relief this weekend has come from -- >> consultants working on the tossup senate races working for gop incumbents who are breathing a little sigh of relief. there's a story in "the wall street journal" undecided voters lean toward gop. there's a sense of relief that they've bought a little bit of time and wind at their backs with some of those gop vulnerables feeling very threatened under this trump climate. >> you're hearing the same thing. out of new hampshire, kelly ayotte. >> could have saved her senate seat. >> we don't know what will happen with trump/clinton. ten days out a lot of people believe big advantage for the republican senate candidates. >> it's the reason you said
before. i thought what was so stunning on the day of is both candidates overrode the overrode. he got through without making a speech. she went out at zero plus hours and took questions from the press. they were both able to override their worst impulses. >> hillary clinton calls what fbi director james comey did on friday unprecedented. tell that to george w. bush. we'll talk about that ahead. this car is traveling over 200 miles per hour. to win, every millisecond matters. both on the track and thousands of miles away. with the help of at&t, red bull racing can share critical information about every inch of the car from virtually anywhere. brakes are getting warm. confirmed, daniel you need to cool your brakes. understood, brake bias back 2 clicks. giving them the agility to have speed & precision. because no one knows & like at&t.
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to this weekend's -- >> the documentary. you haven't seen the wiener documentary. >> the weiener documentary is stunning, right? >> and very sad. they have a 4-year-old son. this is still a family being ripped apart and thrust into the spotlight. probably not the best word. i watched it a week ago before the story broke, and then i watched it again on saturday. it's just stunning that this is the guy and the investigation into him and his behavior. >> you can't help but look at the picture. just on the human level. nobody this late into a campaign actually thinks about these people as human beings but you
look at the picture of huma on the plane and it just breaks your heart looking at tt picture and looking at hillary clinton staring at her. it's one of the most heartbreaking shots. >> one of the most powerful scenes in the movie is yours. you guys at this table are covering the press conference the day after she stood by him and you guys are talking about it. you have them pull the shot up again and you hear mike and you guys talk and you talking about how look at her face. that's the face of spousal abuse. >> tragic. >> unbelievable piece of work in light of -- if you need escape tv this week. >> that's not an escape. i rather watch the cubs. >> we have guests to get to here. an internal controversy within the justice department. disagreements over investigating claims of the clinton's family
philanthropy for influence pedalling. law enforcement officials voiced skepticism of the strength of the evidence in a bureau investigation of the clinton foundation. and according to some familiar with the matter told agents to limit their pursuit of the case. according to the journal, a week after director comey's recommendation against prosecuting clinton in july, the fbi sought to refocus the clinton foundation probe. andrew mccabe -- >> got almost half a million. >> second in command decided the new york office would take the lead with assistance from little rock while the washington field office took charge of a probe of
virginia governor mcauliffe. mcauliffe was clinton foundation board anybody until elected governor in 2013. the spokesman said it was meant to help win control of the state senate and that any other insinuatation is repulsive. >> loretta lynch's justice department continually pressured fbi agents to stop this investigation. >> mccabe said agents had the authority to pursue the issue as long as they didn't use overt methods require justice department approvals but the doj official was still angry. are you telling me i need to
shut down a valid investigation according to the report? after a pause the official replied of course not, the newspaper sources said. mccabe defenders to erers said instructions were repeated to fbi agents that they were to keep pursuing the work within the authority they had. according to the paper others further down the fbi chain of command said agents were given a starker instruction on the case. stand down. joining us, author of that "wall street journal" report who covers federal law enforcement and security for the paper. >> good lord. this was an explosion last night at 5:00. last night reading through it, i was stunned by your reporting especially on the justice department where they kept pressure them to stop investigating the foundation and then talk about that meeting
look, i think there are disagreements in investigations all the time between prosecutors and agents. you see that on every cop show, every cop movie in the world. i think what's so unique about what's happening with the clinton probes is that the stakes are so high for everyone involved. every conversation is basically has a cloud hanging over it within law enforcement of okay, fine, are you willing to bet your career on it? >> at the end of your story you talk about how fbi official wanted to go to new york and possibly pursue an indictment against the clinton foundation and mccabe said -- if not indictment, more of an investigation. was it mccabe that said you're not allowed to go prosecutor hunting? >> so dynamic is -- what i describe as february meeting, as months go by, this issue gets a little tenser and the distrust
among ranks grows because there are people involved in the investigation who think -- who start to feel like fbi leadership and doj leadership aren't really on their side and not supporting the case. what happens is you get to august and there's some real tension at that time because doj policy is you don't take openly observable investigative action in the height of an election campaign. it's viewed as bad form and could be seen as trying to influence the outcome, which obviously the justice department and fbi never want 25to do. there's growing tension and distrust internally about how these decisions are made. folks in the justice department don't understand why the fbi is doing some of the things it's doing. folks at the fbi don't understand the instructions they're getting from their own bosses and there are people in fbi headquarters trying to navigate that whole standoff between those two sides.
>> ron, there is past precedent. not related to the 1992 election that elected bill clinton but past precedent. as mika pointed out this weekend, if you nominate somebody for your party who is under fbi investigation, you know what you're getting into. >> obviously this all could have been avoided if hillary clinton hadn't had a homebrewed server and then hand it over. in the kind of division happens all the time. other than it being high stakes, what the other distinctions? is this a case, for example, where sore so than usual fbi officials believe that the doj is trying to tank for political purposes a legitimate investigation? do they feel like there's a coverup at the top? >> you know, i think coverup is too strong a word and tanking is
too strong a word. i think there's a growing distrust between the the two sides. that is toxic in this environment. >> the distrust being the fbi agents and rank and file fbi agents not trusting the justice department to do the right thing on the clinton investigation? >> not understanding rationale behind some decisions thinking there may be an ulterior motive. folks say andrew mccabe did everything that any normal executive in that situation would do. there are other people in his organization who look at the donations to his wife and say i don't trust this decision because of those donations. and like i said, i think that's a toxic just sort of atmosphere that has been building for a little while. >> can you tell us, what's your understanding, how much of these e-mails have some fbi agents seen? is it true they have no idea
what's in there? >> that's a really important point in that the people who matter most within the fbi don't know what's in there. so what happened here is they get laptop -- >> do the agents know what's in there? >> depends on agents you talk about. criminal wiener agents have looked at this stuff. >> new york agents know what's in there? >> e-mail agents do not know what's in there. they have seen the metadata and that gives them to and from so the to and from is what starts this whole ball rolling because they see e-mails going to addresses, to and from addresses, on the clinton server. when you have that in front of you on the metadata even though you don't know what the content of those messages is from the point of view of e-mail investigators and national security investigators want to look at that. >> agents talk to each other. >> joining us from washington, attorney mike zade. what do you make of the latest
turn and what director comey did? what's your take? >> who knew we could channel donald rumsfeld. we don'tno what we don't know. just from what we hear on devlin's reporting, this whole weekend -- you mentioned to how poorly the media has done. everything is rumor, innuendo, unanimous sources and basically here it is three days later and we still really don't know what the heck is going on. i've been really dismayed at a number of my colleagues, many who i know who have written numerous op-eds and quoted and appeared on all these shows and all they're doing is speculating about what they think could be there and what might not be there and forget the politicians. politicians have already convicted everybody, whichever way they might want to sit ideologically. >> what i've seen is reporters who supposedly respectable reporters have said
emphatically -- it's possible -- it's possible that -- fill in the blank. look at op-eds that you're talking about. people with no idea what's going on on both sides doing nothing but speculating. >> there's no doubt about it. i don't know many more facts than i did starting from friday. and there's three things going on here. we have the policy issues. the legal issues. and the political issues. and all three of them are pretty much different from one another and some of them are going to take a while to sort out. the biggest problem is ounl the political aspect because of what's going to happen in eight days. and these other policy issues, you know, they'll revise how they want to do certain things, and the legal issues, you know, i dare say and i could speculate just as anybody else, are probably going to end up to be nothing. 650,000 e-mails, you know, but of anthony weiner's e-mails. i don't know how many years that
goes back and how many years he's had the laptop and how many were forwarded back and forth. it may be the same e-mails that have been reviewed already as you guys just talke about. it's the criminal agents from the wiener case who did the first look through. we don't even know what the agents who handled the clinton case know, if anything at all. >> stay with us, mark. devlin, if you can, stay with us. we have a lot ahead including trump campaign manager kellyanne conway. she's going to join us live. "morning joe" will be right back.ll be programming at ge. oh i got a job too, at zazzies. (friends gasp) the app where you put fruit hats on animals? i love that! guys, i'll be writing code that helps machines communicate. (interrupting) i just zazzied you. (phone vibrates) look at it! (friends giggle) i can do dogs, hamsters, guinea pigs... you name it. i'm going to transform the way the world works. (proudly) i programmed that hat. and i can do casaba melons. i'll be helping turbines power cities.
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>> huma now is one of the people that it all sort of came through huma. who is huma married to? one of the great sleazebags of our time. anthony weiner. did you know that? she's married to anthony weiner. you know, the little bing, bing. i love you very much. now think of it. so huma is getting classified secrets. she's married to anthony weiner who is a perv. he is. so huma -- it's coming through huma. she's got a lot of stuff. a lot of information. who knows. she's married to a bad guy. do you think there's even a 5%
chance that she's not telling anthony weiner now of a public relations firm what the hell is coming across? do you think there's even a little bit of a chance? i don't think so. >> i remember when we played that clip the first time. you remember because of the bing, bing, bing and going after wiener and this, that and the other. he was right. it's just like the staggering campaign heilemann. it grows crazier by the moment. a lot of insiders in both camps are saying a couple big surprises are coming this week. >> who knows. i was saying to mike it's sort of a strange campaign where you have the candidate who was the candidate of "access hollywood" video calling another person a perv. >> that "access hollywood" video, that came out in the
summer of 2015. is that right? >> "access hollywood" video? >> i'm joking. >> hilarious. >> we said this three weeks ago. it was upon us. we thought, okay, this is it. this is going to define the campaign. and then we've been saying for a month now, harold wilson, prime minister of great britain back in the mid '60s who said, in politics a week is a lifetime and here we are ten days out. i'm sure everyone is thinking this is it. nothing else can come. it will. >> what's so amazing to me is we have the russian tampering with an american election and it goes under the radar. >> we have kellyanne conway coming up. i would like to point out once again that we've made numerous efforts to have members of the clinton campaign, top surrogates, top democrats, whoever will come on, come on the show. and please try and help us get
through this story. but they are not making themselves available. what you just saw was donald trump sounding the alarm -- >> i don't know that i blame them. i think i would kind of lay low. >> i would like them to show up. >> i think they may need to lay low for a day or two and figure this out and see how the week starts and then get out. >> all right. anyhow, as you just saw, donald trump sounded the alarm about anthony weiner's proximity to sensitive information early on. it's monday, october 31st. it's halloween. we have mark barnicle and john heilemann. also joining the conversation, co-founder of politico. >> what are you going as? happy halloween. >> i'm not a big halloween guy. >> me either.
it's scary. >> it's a waste of energy. >> friday's bombshell announcement in the investigation of hillary clinton's private e-mail server has rocked the presidential campaign. last night the fbi obtained a search warrant to begin reviewing newly recovered e-mails as they raced to learn if they are tied to the clinton inquiry, a case completed in july with no charges filed despite a stinging assessment from fbi director james comey that included the fact that clinton was "extremely careless." on friday, comey sent a letter to congress informing them, "in connection with an unrelated case, the fbi has learned of the existence of e-mails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation. i agree that the fbi should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these e-mails to determine whether they contain classified information as as well to assess their importance
to our investigation." law enforcement officials reveal the discovery was from a laptop once shared by top clinton aide huma abedin and her estranged husband anthony weiner. they began investigating him of allegedly sending text messages and pictures to an underage girl. at the time, wiener admitted terrible judgment but claimed he was the victim of a hoax. according to "the new york times" on october 3rd, agents seized wiener's iphone, ipad and a laptop where they found hundreds of thousands of e-mails including some that are clinton related. agents investigating clinton's private server knew in early october that messages recovered in the wiener case might be germane to their case but waited
until friday to brief direct or comey. the computer is currently with fbi officials who are now reviewing a portion of the hundreds of thousands of e-mails for evidence related to clinton. >> reaction to the news? what's the impact on hillary clinton, huma abedin, what's the impact on the race? >> in general a lot of people are popping off knowing very little. if you don't know much about this story, read that devlin piece and pull that initial clip he did with you guys in that first hour. i thought it was the most nuanced explanation of what we know and don't know. we don't know a lot. >> isn't it stunning if you look at the reporting friday afternoon and the tweeting from reporters. we have warned reporters to stop their tweeting. they're making fools of themselves. compare the foolishness. only three e-mails. there are no e-mails going to and from the clinton server. people parroting it on cable
news shows all weekend. and then you read his piece. devlin's piece lays it out. >> a terrific amount of nonsense on twitter this weekend and lots of people just assuming that there's nothing there and maybe there's nothing there. none of us at this table have a clue. there may be something there. we won't know until they get into the e-mails and look at them. >> that's the problem with the server. >> totally. this is a fitting end to this deranged campaign. it's been gross from the beginning. nobody trusted either of these candidates and now we're sitting here in the last three weeks. think about hillary clinton. you have 25% increase in obamacare rates. you had the clinton inc story which got no coverage. >> it got coverage here. i think it got coverage. >> not that much coverage given how much detail was out there on this specific connections on the money. i thought it was an interesting story. and then you have this. so if you're a republican, you should just be kicking yourself over and over because any other
candidate sitting here against a candidate with 67% of people thinking they're dishonest with this string of stories and you still probably don't win. >> i don't know that's the case. john heilemann, we were talking about senate candidates certainly doing much better. let's talk about really quickly last week. just a horrifyingly bad week for hillary clinton after donald trump had several bad months. obamacare up 25%. and then clinton inc, enough oxygen for americans to figure out they were planning to leverage the foundation to make $100 million and then the week ends on friday with this announcement. >> part of the reason that the campaign has been so dispiriting for people is that we see -- remarked on this many times. two the least liked party nominees in the history of politics. they're running against each other. because of that fact you have both sides trying to make the race a referendum on the other
side. we don't discuss policy. all we do is watch the clinton campaign try to focus on trump and tear him down. trump campaign do the opposite. in this instance what you had last week was the shifting of the camera away from donald trump's problems and toward hillary clinton's problems and that's not again where the clinton campaign and how they wanted to end this race as you said who knows we may be focused on donald trump again but for now -- for a campaign that thought it was on track to win the election, this is not the way they want to close. >> i think there's another big surprise here. i'll open it up to the table. i personally think hillary clinton is making a terrible mistake. i hear david axelrod and others suggest it yesterday attacking james comey. don't attack james comey. you're not running against james comey. attack donald trump. you've got material on him. you can't attack james comey after you and all of your allies
have been saying he's the greatest guy since the inventor of wonder bread. >> both campaigns have been since you suggested earlier are hypocritical about this. trump attacking trump and now a pairi reversal from the clinton campaign. >> who do you attack? >> turn the race back on donald trump for sure. this is the way clintons deal with these situations. go on offense when you're on defense. try to turn the tide around and try to get the focus on anything other than her and the questions at hand and i think they will -- the comey thing is unprecedented. >> isn't lawrence walsh 1992, do we have -- you talk about -- i know a lot of our viewers are too young to remember this. i know, mike, you remember it.
'92. ironically it was bill clinton that was the beneficiary of this. talk about the perfect circle because the latest revelation in clinton e-mail scandal is bringing to mind another october surprise. this one from 24 years ago that many believe ironically gave bill clinton the upper hand over george h.w. bush. special prosecutor lawrence walsh decided to indict secretary of defense the weekend before the '92 election on an indictment that had already been thrown out a month earlier and that a judge would throw out a month after the election. take a look. >> tonight new material that directly contradicts president obama's claim he was out of the
loop in the iran-contra deal. >> a note about a january 7th, 1986 meeting says george, schultz and i opposed. vice president bush favored. two weeks ago bush told katie couric he was not present. >> today's disclosure that president bush new and approved the arms for hostages deal with iran not only directly contradicts the president's claims, it diminishes the credibility of the presidency. >> bush thinks he's made gains but today he had to defend his own character and credibility by dealing with new allegations about his part in the arms for
hostages deal with iran. >> over the past 24 hours governor clinton has become panicked and called me a liar and charges he makes are not new. i have responded to them repeatedly and under oath. under oath. and yet he's now latched on to these silly little charges, accusations in a desperate attempt to stop his free-fall in the polls. >> again, on an indictment thrown out a month before and would be thrown out a month after the election and of course it came out during the time of a release of a poll of bush gaining ground on clinton in the final days of the campaign. again, far from unprecedented. that happened much closer than -- don't tell the bushes that didn't have an impact on the outcome of the race. >> except that there was an indictment issued in that case. i think it's unprecedented about
comey. if you read the chief ethics lawyer for george w. bush in "the new york times" over the weekend, i believe what's unprecedented here is that comey is not bringing an indictment. he's communicating with congress. what he's saying and others that object is that it was objectionable for him to hold a press conference back when he decided not to indict and objectionable when he's communicating with congress now because he's not leveling an indictment. this is just injecting uncertainty into the race. >> what would be the outcome if he after telling congress in his testimony before them that he would keep them updated of any pertinent developments. >> he has no obligation to keep congress informed. >> what would happen if he waited until after the election and said by the way, i've got a laptop containing 650,000 e-mails. we'll sort through them now that you have voted. >> there's no reason for him to
discuss that at all until he brings an indictment or not. no need to discuss any of this. >> the danger of the clinton campaign going on the attack against comey, understandable, i have known a lot of people who have worked with and for james comey. his care is unassailable according to everyone who worked with or for him. his judgment here certainly might be suspect in the eyes of many but his character, no. >> that makes it even more problematic. mark zaid, let's look at both sides of the scale here in terms of what could happen. on one end of the scale there could be nothing in those e-mails. on the other end, what could happen to either huma abedin, hillary clinton or maybe cheryl mills or anyone involved with these e-mails that were suddenly found. can you discuss the possibilities? >> sure. nothing is different than what it was in the initial investigation. the fbi agents will be reviewing the information, these e-mails, if they are state department
related, to determine if there's classified information in it. if they identify information in those e-mails that belongs to a particular agency like the state department, they'll forward e-mails over to those agencies to determine the equities and we're back at the question full circle. if it's classified information, who sent it, who received it, who knew it? marked or unmarked? there are criminal potential penalties that could arise depending on the substance of those e-mails. and certainly administrative issues that will pertain to all of their security clearances if hillary should win and any of these staffers like you just mentioned are brought into the white house or other agencies, and that will be a very interesting thing to decide. >> also, just based upon the reporting, the solid reporting we have thus far, i suspect the first question would be about huma abedin.
was she aware that this laptop contained this information because she had sworn under oath that she had turned over all devices that contained e-mails. and secondly, expect fbi agents to look at the e-mails that cheryl mills and others scrubbed and did not turn over to the fbi, and cross-check them with the 650,000 e-mails that they're probably starting to sort through right now. >> if those e-mails are on there. again, we have no idea what's on there. >> if they are. >> so we're looking down the barrel of months of waiting on the other shoe to drop if there is one. if she gets elected president, it's what? >> what jumped out at me in the clip you showed was bill clinton in '92 speaking very sadly about how the case reflected poorly on the presidency and undermined the public's trust in the presidency. when he came into office, 77%
trusted the office of the presidency. it's now closer to 30%. it's not just bill clinton's fault. it's not just george bush's fault. it's not just barack obama's fault. it's part of a broad campaign that we have lost trust in our political institutions and no matter how this election is going to turn out, the trust will be eroded further and whoever is president will not lead this country because they undermine their credibility completely. >> what's interesting is in some ways justice and the fbi are just a microcosm of the country. a lot of fbi agents have been there forever. they have had to investigate the clintons before. people feel like they are skating too close to the line if not crossing it. you have anger you see in electorate you see playing out in this case. >> we're going to go to kellyanne in one second. mike barnicle, we have to say it right here. i did hear people say this weekend and i think they may be
right. ryan lsaid over the weekend it changed with loretta lynch sat down and talked to bill clinton on the plan as the justice department was about to determine along with the fbi whether bill clinton's wife faced an indictment or not. that has changed everything. it also -- i got to say also, this is how the clintons play and ron knows this better than anyone. the article that came out right after or before that meeting where clintons dropped in a "new york times" piece they were looking at loretta lynch to stay
on as attorney general should she get elected to the white house. floating that out there. >> both of those things happened while there was people in the fbi wanting to pursue an investigation against bill clinton's foundation. >> so while the fbi rank and file wanted to investigate the clinton foundation, you had loretta lynch meeting with bill clinton on an airplane right before they were to make a decision on whether she was indicted or not. you can't help but look back at that moment and say that is why this entire investigation has been so compromised. >> what you're talking about here, what we've been talking about all morning and for the past four or five months are elements in a recipe that the country is balking at accepting. what this country needs, ron is sitting in detroit. he's far from washington, new york, far from the coastal
elites. this country, it's more than antidotal. you walk around and people want some inspiration out of the presidency. they want some inspiration out of this campaign. they're getti inting no inspira. >> other should win in a landslide. >> joining us now, kellyanne conway. what does your candidate have on tap for today? >> he'll be in michigan where ron is we're expanding our map. we were in new mexico yesterday and mr. trump continues to go to places like colorado, pennsylvania, states that have been blue for a while. i think that you saw that hillary clinton's lead was evaporating in the polls last week before the fbi's explosive new revelation, mika, and we're going to win the election. we know that. if you're an undecided voter, you're very decided about hillary clinton. nothing else you're going to learn about her in these last eight to ten days that will change your mind. we've been asking questions about the wrong candidate. the democrats own hillary
clinton. they made a huge mistake by nominating someone they know is a serial liar, has a history of having a casual relationship with the truth. of always putting hillary first. i think that we're seeing that come home to roost here because they should own her. she's unqualified, unfit and i think electing her would be a very risky choice. we don't need this ethical stain that's been bill and hillary clinton for decade now to continue. i think you need more than bleach to get rid of that ethical stain. i predict we'll win. i said that last week before this happened. the undecided voters tend to be independents. independents hate politics and washington and two political parties and not to be confused with moderates. we feel good. our path for all of the articles last week about the path is gone, path is narrow, nonexistent, a couple different paths to 270 and we'll pursue them this week. we're talking about obamacare. people are opening mailboxes and clicking on computers and see
premiums are rising out of control. we're talking about isis. job creation. certainly ethics. we don't plan on making the comey investigation the pain centerpiece of our messaging. mr. trump will continue to talk about what he's talked about all along. >> we talked about this on friday when there seemed to be at least a sliver of agreement between your side and clinton campaign which is that director comey needed to be more transparent about what this was all about. is that still the case that you want him to be more transparent and if so what do you want him to say about this over the course of the coming days? >> i'm not sure there's much in the couple days before the election. we're for transparency. i think that the clinton campaign knows they're asking james comey to do things and reveal things he can't do or say. this is not what the nature of investigations are. if they are serious about that,
they should call for the search warrant and affidavit that attended to it. they could call for the immediate release of that and we could see what compelled somebody in the fbi, perhaps somebody who started reading some of these e-mails, we don't know. they could ask huma abedin what's in those e-mails. she says she doesn't know. as you know from the original scrutiny of the statute back in the summer -- >> if they wanted to release that, would you support that? >> we're not going interfere in the fbi's investigation one way or another. >> if the clinton campaign wanted to release all of this information and the fbi would agree to it, which we know they wouldn't do, would you all support that if this decided to take that unprecedented step. >> i think the fbi should do what it wants to do. the horrible part about the fbi right now is i just saw hillary clinton engendering boos for the
fbi and the fbi director. are we going to ask if she accepts the results if she loses and if she's inciting violence and anger? >> your candidate did that after the july decision? >> these are two different investigations. after the july decision it was simple. jim comey on july 5th went out and said we're not going to prosecute her, but he went on to give us all of the reasons why he should have. two days later under oath before congress he tells chairman trey gowdy, she didn't have one device. she had multiple devices. not true there wasn't classified or national security information contained on there. there was. he undercut hillary clinton's previous statements and undercut his own conclusion. this investigation is new and it's different. >> kellyanne, i think i know the answer to the question i'm about to ask. you have used hillary clinton as a risky choice and immediate risk of e-mails. what about people that want to know whether donald j. trump does business with russia, gets
any money from russia, why not release his tax returns now? >> you know the answer. our lawyers and accountants have told us not to. happy reading today, pull up his 104-page financial disclose form. it has a great deal of information in there. i appreciate the fact that folks want to divert our attention away from the issue of the day, but we've answered this question before. mr. trump will release his tax returns after lawyers and accountants say the audit is completed. it's not like there's no information out there. it strikes a lot of viewers as brand new information that there's a 104-page financial disclosure form publicly available they can pull up right now. >> thank you very much. we've invited representatives of the clinton campaign on the show. that offer still stands. and senior democrats. we even asked ed rendal as a
former -- we would love for you to be on the show. call in. >> you cannot not cover this story. you cannot not cover this story. >> you're not watching twitter are you? >> you have to cover this story. three e-mails. there are 650,000 e-mails. none of them went to and from clinton's server. actually, there's metadata that shows there were thousands to and from the clinton server. we invite -- just as we invited every republican candidate throughout the republican primary process to call in on our show like donald trump did, and only one did. the funniest one did. we love lindsey graham. lindsey called in. he's great. i would love for you to call in just today. pick up the phone. call us. we miss you. senior democrats. democrats on the judiciary
committee. hillary clinton. anybody in hillary clinton's campaign? anybody. we would love to have you call into our show. we miss you. we want to catch up. we want to talk about the news of the day. jim, it's so good to talk to you. >> great to be here. >> even though -- now you say happy halloween. >> i said it's great to be with you on halloween. you can have a happy halloween. >> he hates halloween. >> still ahead on "morning joe," will early voting be the difference in the clinton win? >> alex is freaking out about us not going to break. ron, go ahead. >> i want to say quick. kellyanne conway knows there's no reason he can't turn over tax records. his choice. second, people out in michigan and the rest of the country are tired of politics as usual. about donald trump donating to an attorney general in florida while her office was investigating trump university. this goes both ways. >> most certainly. clinton support slips among
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with us now, steve kornacki. >> "the new york times" reporter jeremy peters is with us and new york columnist frank bruini and also with us from washington, attorney and republican strategist ben ginsburg and editor of "the fix" at "the washington post," chris cillizza and robert costa. just stop it right now. >> tell phil we're blowing
through all of the breaks. >> can i read from frank's column or do we not have time? >> steve kornacki, you're one of the few people on the face of the earth last week that said it isn't over and say there's still a pathway forward. you look at the polls and even look at the polls before this blew up on friday, and it looked like there was a natural tightening, what's it looking like now? >> we got this abc news/"washington post" poll overall at one-point race. looks like what seems to be driving that at least in part is so much of this is based on who will turn out. republicans looking at this saying i'm going to turn out now. >> it's jumped from 12 to 4 before the story to two and now it's down to one. was part that also the methodology that abc figed out that actually they were oversampling democrats? >> i don't think it ever was a 12-point race. that was the thing that caused donald trump at his rallies to start going off against this thing. to go from 12 to 1, there's more
that's happening there than republicans getting more interested and there's also a new politico morning poll out this morning conducted post-comey. 42-39. 42 clinton, 39, trump. when we talked about how this wasn't over a couple weeks ago, the point was at that moment he was going to lose the election. there was time for something to happen that would cause those numbers to crunch. if they crunch down to three points or less in that natural horse race we talk about those individual states that come into play. >> speaking of individual states and there's the politico poll, you look at individual states, a poll came out yesterday having him up four in florida. i think cbs had hillary up three in colorado. up three in north carolina. of course those don't take into account all of the post-comey news. >> that's the question and other question is early voting.
we have this x-factor of 20 million votes that have been cast and a lot is concentrated in arizona, colorado, north carolina, florida, a lot concentrated in those states. are those die-hard partisan who will be for person they're voting for or did clinton campaign lock in voters that may be swayed by this development. >> what's your take on the race? >> i don't think it will have as big of an impact. if this was a new frontier of criticism about hillary clinton and criticism about her we hadn't heard before. >> this is george w. bush's dui. >> same at thterrain we have be for weeks and years. it won't move people away from her. i think also i have seldom seen a campaign do as quick and concerted a job of changing the focus as the clinton campaign has done. if you look at the headlines over the last 48 hours, as many of those headlines have name comey in them as have the name
clinton. when we write the history of this election and how the last two weeks played out, we'll talk about the incredibly rapid and thorough mobilization of the clinton campaign and allies turning the focus as to whether he did the right thing. >> you talk about the worst week in washington. last week hillary clinton yanked that title from donald trump who had been holding it for weeks and weeks what a horrid week last week started with obamacare premiums going up 25% and then midweek "the washington post" clinton inc story and friday comey came out. what a difference a week makes. >> trump won it four weeks in a row. i say trump is the default likely winner at this point because he does and says things -- >> when you say winner you say loser. >> correct. up is down. look, she had a really bad week.
one thing to frank's point, i think this is less a persuasion development that comey news than base motivation issue. i do think this will likely motivate republicans to unify behind -- i don't think your average independent voter -- i think frank is right. if you're not for her because of the e-mails in general, you don't trust her, this reinforces her. if you already made that calculation, i'm not sure this changes it. i do think it has at least the potential. this is what we've seen. it has potential these late breaking things to dampen enthusiasm among democrats so hillary tries to push the comey story line to not do that but to bolster enthusiasm among republicans when your nominee is donald trump and you have lots of republicans who don't like him, you need something that is not related to donald trump to boost enthusiasm and republicans are hoping this is it. much less persuasion than base excitement. >> i think it does bring the
republicans home. i think it might keep some democrats home from voting. and i do think because there's so many people, jeremy peters, who this year are not voting for somebody but voting against somebody. the persuadables. it has an impact there. if this is a one-point race, it makes a difference. if it's a four-point race, not so much. we won't know that until the day of the election, right? >> we know a little bit already because of early voting. i think what you have to do in a case like this in absence of reliable polls so far is talk to people on the ground and look at the early voting patterns. that's what my colleagues and i did in today's paper to try to figure out what type of impact this is having so far. in states like florida, nevada, colorado, you have a quarter of the electorate that's turned out and voted. impact is somewhat muted there. on the ground when you talk to people, i think to frank and chris' point, there was a lot of
we've already heard this. i'm over it. i'm tired of this election. i just want it done with. i want to take a shower and go home. >> i heard jesse in florida and republicans saying they were not going to vote for trump and they told me that for a year throwing up arms this week saying i'll have to vote for trump because i can't let her be president. >> we found in some of our interviews that opposite is happening with democrats. democrats say i'm going out and i'll vote for her because i think this whole thing with comey kind of stinks. so there's that aspect of it as well. then you have just the carnival circus-like atmosphere of this election and anthony weiner's resurfacing. we talked to a voter in st. petersbu petersburg, florida, who said i turned on the news and anthony weiner is back in the picture. what the hell is going on? >> let's go to bob costa. i guess the trump campaign would spin this as incredibly good
news for the potential to close the numbers here. >> mika, they are seeing new internal polling within their campaign and so over the weekend in trump's plane, trump tower, they've had conversations about how could they possibly scramble the map and change trump's schedule where he's traveling to try to pick up some blue states and so you have steve bannon behind the scenes pushing for new mexico, michigan and wisconsin. trump to go to beyond the blue states he has been going to like colorado and pennsylvania. >> can i ask you, first of all, wisconsin. i saw some polls, internal polls, showed wisconsin was closer than i thought it was. colorado. they are obsessed with colorado. they say they keep seeing numbers in colorado that show they can win colorado. cbs poll -- this surprises me. it's only three points. cbs has hillary clinton up by three points. why has the trump camp -- what are trump people seeing in
colorado that makes them believe outright they're going to win that state? >> colorado is very difficult. they acknowledge that privately because of the hispanic population there. a large one. enth enthused against trump. you look at denver suburbs like you would milwaukee suburbs in wisconsin, their theory and it could be wrong if republicans come home to use the term mike pence always uses, if they come home and this news has some kind of way of increasing republican enthusiasm, the states could not maybe flip but they could be tight. >> ben ginsburg, sort through this for us legally. so much to look at. what did the news on friday and subsequent reporting after that, what did that lead you to believe on the impact of the case as a lawyer and also on the election? >> it scrambles the egg in a way we wouldn't have predicted. as a matter of law, the
information from the fbi is out there and is going to stay out there for the election. what that usually generates a massive oppo dump by the opponent to try to change the subject. i think this is one of these weeks where you look for everything that's in the oppo drawer that you weren't sure you were going to use, you're now going to use to try to change the subject. >> you're saying to the trump campaign, duck. careful. >> right? >> be careful. and the other thing that's really true is that this election as everyone has described, puts a huge emphasis on the ground game. what's interesting about that is the well developing hillary clinton machine that jaromy peters and his colleagues wrote about today, and the donald trump ground game that is really being run by the republican national committee in an unprecedented way. there's a huge amount of pressure on the rnc and the
saving grace in republican circles will be really good turnout programs on the ground in key senate races that overlap with the presidential race. >> because the rnc had to carry everything in a way they have never had to. >> the senate campaigns have all gone out and set up their own get out the vote efforts independent of the presidential race. working in some places with the state parties and the rnc. >> how do you see the map today, steve? >> new mexico is an interesting one. >> why is bannon -- >> they're tied there. their internal polls show them tied ipnew mexico. >> why? >> there's a poll out of new mexico that came out three days before comey's clinton. 45, clinton, 40, trump, 9, gary johnson. gary johnson could be more of a factor there. if you look at new mexico, it's kind of fallen off the map in the last few elections because of the rising latino election. if you go back, 2004, this was a state that was very winnable for
republicans. one of the theories, we talk all the time about the blue collar suburban divide. donald trump is doing so well with blue collar whites. has he woken up some of the blue collar whites, rural white voters. you see it a bit in nevada. i think he's down there, but it's not as nuts to take a look at the state if you're trump as some people think it is. >> what about wisconsin? is wisconsin still in play? >> there's not a poll that has come out that shows trump ahead. if you're trump, you have to make gains in the milwaukee suburbs that have eluded you so far. it seems like a reach almost as much as pennsylvania. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, guys. >> one of the biggest ads of the cycle, a photo of charlene daugherty. her plead to voters was to get him out of the house, and her face says it all. she and her husband gerald join us live next.
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any hobbies. >> last year's tax rate was .469. this year, we can take it down to .3838. >> is he always like that? >> yeah, all the time. >> we got three light rail cars. you can put 60 people on each car. even if you add two cars, you're talking about maybe 300 people that are affected. there are a million people in this community. i mean, that is .01 to the ateth power if you round it off, it's
zero. you have this 18-wheeler that's parked in the neighborhood, but quite frankly, it's not a code violation. i think i like helping around the house here. >> please re-elect gerald. please. >> it's so good. >> the best campaign ad ever. >> that was a look at texas republican gerald daugherty's campaign ad nthat has gone vira with over 3 million views on youtube alone. gerald joins us along with the true star of the campaign video, his wife, charlyn daugherty. so he talks a lot and you want him to leave. >> that's exactly right. >> it seems to us that you have made a terrible, terrible decision. you married a nerd. a numbers nerd. >> i did indeed. >> so gerald, whose idea was it for the campaign? >> and are you really like that? >> mike barnicle showed us to this in between a break, and we immediately said we have to put
this on the air. whose idea was it? >> actually, a guy name chad crow that's done all of the work for me ever since i have been in political office. and he's just a creative guy. >> yeah. very creative. moo mike barnicle. >> gerald, first of all, we love your wife. charlyn, we love you. but gerald, can you tell us how can we bag this election so that we here in new york can vote for you? how do we do that? >> we all want to vote for you. >> we'll do anything to vote for you. >> well, i guess you could come down here and move down here. that would probably be starters. >> charlyn, have you been surprised at the reaction that this ad has gotten? i mean, you're now galacticily famous and admired. >> i have been astounded by the widespread positive response that we have received. and you asked an earlier question we didn't answer.
yes, that's what gerald is like. >> so what is it like -- what is it like, charlyn, to live, actually liv with someone who talks at much? >> well, it was a slight exaggeration. but not much. so it really just speaks to the fact, how much he cares about this community and all of those facts. more so than the rest of us do. >> exactly. he cares more than the rest of you all do. what about the other people that we saw in there? i absolutely loved the look on the face of the guy that was holding the beer while you were talking about, like, the tax millage rate. >> well, they're both friends of mine. and they had no idea what they were getting themselves into when i asked them to come over at 7:30 on a sunday morning. >> look at his face. >> and quite frankly, i mean, i had no idea what was in store
for them either. >> you know, you all need to start your own show, because i mean, the acting. it's just absolutely fantastic. >> she says that's what he's really like. >> how is the election looking? how is it looking right now? >> you know, i'm in a community where the democratic party is very, very strong. so you have to run very hard as a republican in travis county. you know, travis county is a blueberry in a strawberry patch in the state of texas. so you have to run like you're always behind. >> all right. by the way, one of our favorite patches anywhere. we absolutely love austin, texas. >> gerald and charlyn daugherty, thank you. thank you both. >> the next morning of "morning joe" starts right now. >> with two weeks and two days to go, what is the end game for donald trump? can he pull off the most spectacular upset in election history, or has his unprecedented campaign hit an inpregnable wall? >> with just overtwo weeks to go
and early voting happening, hillary clinton leads in the polls leaving some republicans to worry about a route. >> while it's too early to declare this election over, the number my number tom brokaw's ufo theory, the unforeseen will occur. there's no question the election is trending in hillary clinton's direction. >> how over is this? >> you have 11 days to go. the head of the fbi dropped a bomb in the race for president this afternoon, one that has the trump campaign celebrating and the clinton camp scratching its head. >> i know we've got to keep our foot on the gas. donald trump says he can still win, and you know, he's right. anything can happen in an election. >> and anything has. over and over again, for two years now. >> good morning, everyone. it's monday. >> can you believe how big the news was this weekend? >> it was huge. >> nobody -- i'm sorry, nobody
saw this coming. i mean, mike. are you sure the cubs are going to win in five? the indians are just on fire. >> that's the only story out there. >> the story that has shocked america. >> we go back to cleveland, joe. you know, hopefully it goes seven. because if it goes seven, that means three more days we don't have to deal with what we actually have to deal with. >> we have to deal with that, unfortunately, right now. but you know, it would be a very interesting series tonight. they could win. they could win tonight. >> okay, we'll deal with that later. it's halloween, everyone. >> i think they're going to seven. do they go ahead and pitch in seven? >> yes. >> stop kicking me. >> let's get to the news. >> kluber is amazing. i want to talk about him. we don't want to talk about this. >> no, we don't. >> i'm with them. >> go ahead. >> you are? baseball over politics. >> i am. >> with us on set, we have
veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. manager editor of bloomberg politics and co-host of with all due respect that airs at 6:00 on msnbc, john heilemann. former communications director for president george w. bush, nicolle wallace, and in detroit, from droit business and contributor to the atlantic magazine, ron fournier. all right, a lot to get through here. >> a lot. >> with eight days to go, friday's bombshell announcement in the investigation of hillary clinton's private e-mail server has rocked the presidential campaign. last night, the fbi obtained a warrant to begin reviewing newly recovered e-mails as they race to learn if they're tied to the clinton inquiry, a case that was completed in july with no charges filed. despite a stinging assessment from fbi director james comey that included clinton was extremely careless. that's a quote. then on friday, comey sent a letter to congress informing them, quote, in connection with an unrelated case, the fbi has
learned of the existence of e-mails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation. quote, i agree that the fbi should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these e-mails to determine whether they contained classified information as well as to assess their importance to our investigation. soon after, law enforcement officials revealed the discovery was from a laptop once shared by top clinton aide huma abedin and her now estranged husband, anthony weiner. the fbi began investigating the former congressman in september for the unrelated case of allegedly sending inappropriate text messages and pictures to an underaged girl. at the time, wiener admitted, quote, terrible judgment, but claimed he was the victim of a hoax. according to the "new york times," on october 3rd, agents seized wiener's iphone, ipad, and a laptop where they found hundreds of thousands of
e-mails, including some that are clinton related. agents investigating clinton's private server knew in early october that messages recovered in the wiener case might be jermaine to their case, but they waited until this past thursday to brief director comey. on sunday afternoon, a clinton aide told nbc that abedin does not have access to the computer in question. that computer is currently with fbi officials who are now reviewing a portion of the hundreds of thousands of e-mails for evidence related to clinton. here's how donald trump reacted to the news over the weekend. >> the system is rigged. i have been saying it for a long time. but you know what. what happened today starting with the fbi maybe the system will become a little less rigged. beautiful.
>> i'll bet you without any knowledge there was a revolt in the fbi. i'll bet you there was a revolt in the fbi by what they allowed to happen with respect to hillary clinton. there was a revolt. >> now the fbi has found, you're not going to believe this one, this just happened, another 650,000 e-mails. how do you get to 650,000. i think that's called the mother lode. i think they found them all. so the 33,000 that she deleted and bleached, i think is going to be in the 650,000. but how do you have that many e-mails? what do you do, sit down all day and keep typing? hey, no wonder nothing gets done in our country.
>> was publicly reported that sources close to hillary clinton say, and she actually, i think, said it to the papers, that she was thinking of reappointing attorney general lynch, and effectively, i guess you would call that a bribe, wouldn't you? a bribe. >> to cover up her crimes, she bleached and deleted 33,000 e-mails after receiving a congressional subpoena. but i have a feeling they have just found a lot of them, don't you think? have a feeling. h huma. they just found a lot of them. we never thought we were going to say thank you to anthony weiner. >> now, trump was one of the people sounding the alarm about
anthony weiner's proximity to sensitive information early on. on august 3rd, 2015, he tweeted, it came out that huma abedin knows all about hillary's private illegal e-mails. huma's husband anthony weiner will tell the world. he continued to make the argument at a gop fund-raiser in massachusetts. >> huma now is one of the people that it all sort of came through huma. who is huma married to? one of the great sleaze bags of our time. anthony weiner. did you know that? she's married to anthony weiner. you know, the little bing, bing, bing, bomb bomb. i love you very much. so, think of it. so huma is getting classified secrets. she's married to anthony weiner. who is a perve.
no, he is. so huma, it's coming through huma. she has a lot of stuff, a lot of information. who knows. she's married to a bad guy. do you think there's even a 5% chance she's not telling anthony weiner now of a public relations firm what the hell is coming across. do you think there's even a little bit of a chance? i don't think so. >> the clinton campaign has responded to the developments with outrage and said this latest turn won't change the outcome of the investigation or the election, for that matter. they have accused comey of violating justice department protocol in handling such matters amid an election season. the "washington post" reports that fbi officials gave the doj a heads-up on thursday. the message from the justice department in response, according to anonymous "washington post" source, that we don't comment on an ongoing investigation. and we don't take steps that will be viewed as influencing an election.
that official went on to tell the paper, quote, director comey understood our position. he heard it from justice leadership. it was conveyed to the fbi and comey made an independent decision to alert the hill. he is operating independently of the justice department and he knows it. the clinton campaign dismissed the fbi director's letter as vague, inappropriate, light on facts, heavy on innuendo and overblown. the clinton campaign also says the e-mails in question were never withheld by clinton or the campaign, are not necessarily to or from her, and it's likey at least some are duplicates of ones already reviewed. >> some of you may have heard about a letter that the fbi director sent out yesterday. it's pretty strange to put something like that out with such little information right before an election.
it's unprecedented, and it is deeply troubling. now, of course, donald trump is already making up lies about this. i think it's time for donald trump to stop fearmongering, to stop disgracing himself. to stop attacking our democracy. we can't let him get away with this, can we? >> the stance the clinton campaign is taking now on director comey is extremely different from the past few weeks. when they continually praised him for his restraint. >> what i do know is this. that there was an extensive, as you know, investigation by the fbi under the direction of a wonderful and tough career public servant, jim comey. somebody with the highest standards of integrity. >> i think director comey could not have been more exhaustive. >> i am grateful for the
professionalism of the fbi and the department of justice. >> this is a great man. we're very privileged in our country to have him being the director of the fbi. >> no one can question the integrity, the competence. >> i don't know whether your family is watching this. but i hope that they are as proud of you as i am. >> so -- >> mike barnicle. >> harry reid says he violated the hatch act. >> i saw harry reid. he said he was -- he said he was a great man. it's so confusing because trump's people were just the opposite. >> right. >> until this weekend. so mike barnicle, you know, when the first lies came out from media reports that there were only three e-mails, i think like a lot of people, i was like, how could james comey do this? this is outrageous. then actually, more misinformation, none to or from the clinton server. and you know, all friday
afternoon and evening, i'm like how could james comey do that. we find out there was horrific reporting on friday afternoon, sort of the fog before. now there's 650,000, there may be thousands back and forth through the clinton server. comey was in a no-win situation. i mean, if he -- if he did what he did, he was going to get attacked. if he waited until after the election, can you imagine if he waited two or three days after the election? everybody knows that's the case. he was in a no-win situation. but what a lot of people don't know is what you know from your sources and from what i have heard, and what the "wall street journal" reported last night, he had a mutiny onboard at the fbi. they were -- he was sitting on top of an exploding situation over there. >> yeah, according to three people i spoke to this weekend, all affiliated with the fbi, all
retired, two of them very highly placed within the fbi structure, director comey has put his own reputation at risk over the past several days, and the principle reason he did it, well, there are a couple reasons. one, the fbi beneath him is in turmoil. there's a lot of descension over this case, has been for many months. >> and the integrity of the bu bureau. >> the director feared once he found out about this new cache of e-mails, once he found that out, he feared one of the teams of agents working on this case for some months now would leak the story about the discovery of the e-mails on anthony weiner's computer, and that would make the entire process look even more tanlted than a lot of people feel it appears right now. that's the principle reason he leaked it. but the larger story here is there has never been a grand jury impanelled in the case, which has severely aggravated --
>> fbi professionals, which there have been reports some time after the decision that they always refused to inpmpanea grand jury. it enraged a lot of people at the fbi. lawyers at the fbi could not believe how this was handled and were doubly aggravated that they went out and held a press conference when ron fournier, they didn't feel like justice was being served inside their own agency. and as you read in the "wall street journal" reporting last night, which many were absolutely outraged at what they considered to be stonewalling by the justice department and by mccabe, to be able to pursue an investigation on the clinton foundation. which you have said from the very beginning, your sources inside clinton inc. have told you from the very beginning, that's the real story. >> yeah, the writer of that is a
friend of mine. we worked together at the a.p. a hell of a story, and it shows the descension inside the doj, some fbi officials wanting to pursue an investigation into the clinton foundation and the senior officials at the doj saying no. you know, stepping back here a little bit, the isis another example of the two parties destroying the credibility o an institution that's important to us. as your fine block here showed you had for political partisan reasons the clinton people praising comey and trump denouncing comey this summer and now the roles have been reversed. that, out of integrity or affdifferent set of facts but for pure political purposes on both sides. >> we have the latest abc news/"washington post" tracking poll showing a tightening in the race. trump one point away from clinton.
as recently as sunday, that margin was 12 points. for two thirds of likely voters, the latest chapter makes no difference in their support for clinton, but nearly a third say it has made them less likely to vote for her. of those voters, 17% are democratic party supporters. the rest are republicans or independents who lean republican. nicolle wallace, i would think that the republicans, kind of a growing number of republicans choosing to vote for clinton because they feel they have no option, this may give them pause. >> yeah, and i heard over the weekend some observations that people are particularly worried about the down ballot races, that this really -- the democrats in particular, are worried that all the senate toss-up races now may be tipped back toward republicans. i think that this was never a 12-point race. i don't think anybody thought it was a 12-point race. i think the clinton campan thought it was more like a four-point race. that's probably right. >> everybody thought the race was over last week when the race was closing. abc poll went from 12 to 4,
actually down to 2 before they even started to factor in these things. there is a lot of the swing states within the margin of error right now. what does it mean moving forward? i mean, look at the trend lines. what does it mean as we move forward in the final ten days. by the way, happy halloween, everybody. >> happy halloween. i respect the abc and "washington post" poll. i think there's been a fair amount of stability. if you look all across the polls, the right thing -- until this news. it's not clear the race was closing, but i didn't think it was a 12-point race. you look at the polling nationally, about a five or six-point race. now it's clearly going to get tighter. it's a huge political problem for the clinton campaign. you can talk about comey and what he did. but he's now done what he did, and we're now, for them, it's blot out the sun, basically, from now until election day. a campaign that felt like it had things totally in hand, was talking about the things they
wanted to talk about, which was largely donald trump. trump campaign on defense, clinton campaign on offense, and the subject of the race at that point, donald trump, which is exactly where the clinton campaign wants the race to be. this race throughout has been whenever the dominant news item on the agenda is either candidate, that candidate is in trouble. >> do we notice this past weekend, donald trump over the past week has laid back? he hasn't made the news. i mean, compared to what he's usually done, he's actually -- and i think a lot of people are shocked even inside his own campaign. he hasn't made himself the story over the past four or five days. the impact has been devastating. >> not for donald trump, it wouldn't be hard. >> as undisciplined as donald trump is, he's somehow managed to find a way to stay out of the way of the story. when we're talking about hillary clinton, she tends to fall in the polls. when we talk about donald trump, he tends to fall in the polls. the clinton campaign didn't want to talk about hillary clinton
and certainly not this subject in the closing seven, eight days of the campaign. whether it will change the fundamental structural nature of the race, too early to say. >> still ahead on "morning joe," congressman trey gowdy joins us to discuss the new revelations we spent much of this morning talking about. by the way, his name came up at least a few times in the wikileaks e-mails. he's just ahead. >> and republican strategist mike murphy joins us. he tweeted over the weekend, in the just saying department, if jeb bush was nominee, the story today would have been how he put his e-mails on the web and even wrote a book about it. mike joins us in just a bit. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. do i look smarter? yeah, a little. you're making money now, are you investing? well, i've been doing some research. let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he charge? i don't know. okay. uh, do you get your fees back if you're not happy? (dad laughs) wow, you're laughing. that's not the way the world works. well, the world's changing.
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>> thank you. me, too. me, too. >> you know. >> that was october, one year ago. joining us from south carolina, republican congressman trey gowdy who chaired the house benghazi committee who uncovered the comisance of clinton's personal e-mail account back in march of 2015. so sir, we want to get your take on the latest developments. there's this letter here from senate democratic minority leader harry reid who stepped into the fight over fbi director james comey's letter and writing to comey yesterday, reid said this, your actions in recent months have demonstrated a disturbing double standard for the treatment of sensitive information with what appears to be a clear intent to aid one political party over another. i'm writing to inform you that my office has determined that these actions may violate the hatch act, which bars fbi officials from using their official authority to influence an election. what's your reaction to that?
>> just how laughable that is. you know, it was the attorney general who met with the spouse of the target of an investigation on the tarmac, and the president himself prejudged the outcome of the investigation during the investigation, and senator reid didn't write a letter to either one of them ability the hatch act. president obama is actively campaigning right now for a candidate for president. and that doesn't violate the hatch act. so how jim comey supplementing his record before congress violated the hatch act is just laughable. >> mike? >> congressman, let me ask you, there are several elements going on in this campaign, obviously, many upseted to millions and millions of voters. one of things that goes unspoken of is russian interference in the american political process. would you care to rank in terms of priority hillary clinton's e-mails versus the clearly established russian interference in our electoral process?
which is more important? >> i heard the tail end of that question. i didn't hear the first of it. are you asking me to decide which is more important, the content of the e-mail or foreign interference in our elections? >> yes, sir. >> well, is it an option that they're both important or do i have to pick between the two? >> you can do whatever you choose to do. obviously. but i mean, which worries you -- which concerns you more? >> both. i mean, i don't think i have to pick between the two. >> no. >> i think foreign interference in our election is terrible. and i think mishandling classified information is terrible. although comey said she did not have a specific intent to violate the law. so i mean, it's like asking me which one of my kids i love the most. they're both important. they both ought to be looked into. and it's not up to me to decide which is more delutearious to our republic. >> let me ask you this question, just to bring the two questions
into this kind of pr them up or twin them up, if the fbi were investigating the russian connection to donald trump's campaign, for instance, would you think that if it's legitimate for comey to be briefing the congress about the state of the clinton investigation, shouldn't he then be briefing congress about the state of any investigation he's engaged in on the russian side? >> well, i hate relativism. i really do. maybe i'm the only one in my line of work that does. i think the same rules ought to apply to everybody, no matter what the calendar says and no matter what your political ideation is. i don't consider what comey did to be updating congress. i view it as supplementing his previous testimony. the other thing i think is interesting, let's assume that secretary clinton this morning says the fbi investigation is over. i have been cleared. it's all in the rear-view mirror, if comey knows the is not true, if he knew that friday
there was more information that came to light, he may believe that he has an obligation to correct the public record. but that letter was short on substance. it was just a notification letter, is how i viewed it. not an update. and as i talk to other members of my conference who would be in a position to know the substance of it, they don't know the substance of the e-mails. so i don't view it as an update on the investigation. >> there are those who say, and many, that the timing of this is really questionable, really inappropriate. on the part of comey. what's your reaction to that? >> that not a single one of the facts at hand is directly attributable to director comey. he didn't tell her to set up her own private e-mail server. he did not tell her to mislead the public about whether or not she sent and received public information. he didn't tell huma abedin, don't turn over all your
devices. and god knows he didn't tell anthony weiner to sext with underaged girl. none of that is comey's fault. the timing is a direct and natural consequences and probable consequence of the decision secretary clinton made years ago. >> yeah. >> i wish we had known this a year ago. but is that comey's fault that we did not know she had a private server two years ago? >> no, it is not. mike barnicle. >> congressman, do you know or could you tell us, in the next congress, which convened in just a few weeks, in january. can the american public look forward to more and continuing investigations of the e-mail server and secretary clinton and perhaps president-elect clinton at that point? >> well, i don't know. the legislative branch doesn't have the authority to investigate crime. number one, we're bad at it. number two, we don't have jurisdiction. there is a role for oversight. and i'm sure -- i'm not a
committee chairman. i'm sure those committee chairpersons will make that determination, whether it's president trump or presidentclipten, the legislative branch ought to provide oversight, but we're not criminal investigators. and that's not -- we're not good a tt. we don't have jurisdiction, and we can't do anything about it if we find evidence of a crime. so we have to be somewhat circumspect in the way we do investigations. >> congressman trey gowdy, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> yes, ma'am. thank you. >> we have invited democratic officials onto the show. that's a standing offer. it's 35 past the hour. you still can call in. there is still much to dig into on this issue. strategist elise jordan and mike murphy join our political roundtable when "morning joe" continues.
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rest of us did. this clinton story doesn't change. it is scandal after skapdal after scandal. we just don't know which one is coming next. and it is not what we want this country to become. so when you see what you're seeing with the new clinton thing, you need to know that all of us who lived through the '90s have seen this movie so many times before. and we don't want to see this movie again. >> you're watching it right now. >> mike murphy, man. you know, in the '90s when the republicans, we got control. we were fighting, kept trying to kick everybody out. there was like one thing we could usually agree on. like cutting spenng. so and it's like we're so happy whenever the debate was on there, because outside of there, we killed each other. this weekend's developments actually may not have a huge
impact on the race, but if it's close, from everything i have heard, and it's bringing a lot of republicans home who said i'm never voting for trump. >> yeah, i think there's -- >> with present company excluded. we're not casting aspersions on you. >> downballot, it gives the candidate something to work with. there's been one rule of this election. whichever one of them is in the spotlight goes down because people don't like either of them. hillary now in the spotlight is going to tighten the race up. i think trump's flaws politically, forget my own anti-trump opinions, just his political problems are still too much to overcome. he's not going to win michigan where he's rattling around today. >> it's going to be tight. >> it could help the down ballots. >> you look at florida, iowa -- >> ohio. >> ohio, you look at the states that look like they were slipping away from him. ain't nobody talking ability texas this week. the one think this story does,
elise, is it locks down the states he looked like he was going to win, like two or three weeks ago, before he started attacking miss universe. >> miss universe, who all has he attacked? >> the khans. >> but we're not talking about that. we're talking about hillary clinton. it's likely going to stay that way for the next eight days. and senate down ballot republican candidates are really grateful because this is a gift. it couldn't be a bigger gift. it's not talking about donald trump. >> and also, mike murphy, if i'm a snalt candidate, a house candidate, i can say this. listen, do what you want to do at the top of the ticket. if you're going to vote for hillary clinton, she needs a balance. this is somebody that may be indicted. you need somebody to counter that. >> the hedge on the argument is now on steroids. >> it's a logical argument that will make sense for a lot of voters. >> i think there's one loose bolt on the engine, though, which is we have eight day of donald trump with a microphone. he's been good. >> no, no.
there's another one. there's another one. that's wikileaks promising something this week. some other big shoe to drop. >> trump's ability to make it back about him and drop two points -- >> let's talk about this right now. i heard a lot of people say this this weekend. this is one more example, mike barnicle, that if donald trump had just stayed out of the way after the conventions, if -- i know it's a big if. >> mike. >> it may be impossible, i'm just saying this was such -- if republicans lose this race, this was such a winnable race. even with donald trump. >> yeah, but i mean, it would have been impossible for that to occur because of donald trump, because of who he is and how he beha behaves. >> he's done this a cup times. >> there's a larger almost semicosmic issue out there, and it's what this campaign and these two candidates have done to the culture of this country. to the disappointment factor in people who want to be inspired -- >> the culture of politics right now.
>> it's truly damaging. and i don't know -- nobody knows how it's going to play out. and nobody knows how it's going to play out in the immediate election day or in the aftermath. one of the things that hillary clinton has to worry about is the disappointment factor of voters who have been lugging clinton baggage for 30 years. >> i was just going to say, as a dad with kids in their 20s, don't tell me that the last president named clinton didn't change our culture. >> yes. >> in a negative way. and i just wonder, 30 years of baggage, including parents that remember what i remember in 1998 and 1999, and how middle schools were profoundly changed. >> every institution is under attack. the dialogue is now i'm right and you're evil. election night worries me. because what he is capable of doing on election night institutionally, and what institution has escaped this election now?
everybody can't trust the press. both candidates are evil, and now the fbi is kruptd. >> now, if you look at the "wall street journal" reporting, you have actually -- democrats said that comey was like the greatest guy since jesus last week. >> it switched. >> now you look at the "wall street journal," and i tell you what, the justice department, loretta lynch's justice department, the obama justice department. they're going to dig into this story, and there are going to be a lot of people ducking over the next month because it looks like they have stopped the investigation of the clinton foundation. >> on so many levels, it's impossible to have any sympathy for hillary clinton over this. like you were saying this morning, setting up this server was such an incredible lapse of judgment. the fact that the democratic party apparatus went forward with such a flawed candidate, so they're stuck with the establishment candidate, and the republican party had this grassroots insurgent, what irony for 2016. >> what happens if hillary
clinton is elected president of the united states a week from tomorrow? normally, the story is about the president elect would be who is going to be secretary of state, attorney general? now it's what's the latest on the e-mail, who is indicted. >> who is on the legal defense team? >> this is how we start? >> i know, it's awful. >> probably justify their outside business activities because they're going to have such heavy legal fees because of the republicans. it's never going to end. >> it's not the republicans. it starts with the server. that's the difference here. you can't accuse anyone of anything. i was speechless with trey gowdy when he did that list of what is not comey's fault. i had nothing. >> you're saying he's right. >> he was right. >> bad choices by hillary clinton, and then a lot of covering stuff up. >> by the way, this past week, those damning wikileaks information that's come out has been what hillary clinton, those people closest to hillary
clinton have said about her decision to use e-mail. so now they can't say, oh, this is a vast right wing conspiracy. you republicans are making much ado about nothing. anyone who says the e-mail story is important -- they can't do that because you have robby mook, and you have john podesa.a you have philippe. >> neera tanden. >> the star. >> do we know who told hillary clinton she could use a private e-mail and has that person been drawn and quartered. the whole thing is bleeping insane. >> that's really damaging. they can't even go out and say this is a vast right wing conspiracy because their own people and the "new york times" were the ones who drove the story. mike barnicle, before we go to break, you were a reporter for a very long time. i have been a lawyer and been on the judiciary committee for a little while. and let's just step back for one second.
let's say this isn't about the democratic nominee, or this isn't about hillary clinton. what if i told you, gave you this fact pattern, and then i said, and by the way, the fbi just seized 650,000 e-mails. and by the way, we hear that the data suggests there are thousands that are going back and forth between a top aide and a person who has run a hypersecretive organization that actually destroyed devices, bleached hard drives, and decided what the fbi was going to get, and they weren't going to get. now they have 650,000 e-mails to sort through. would you think that there might be some problems ahead for that person? just your intuitive -- >> what's your gut. >> what does your gut say? let's say she's elected president. what happens after? because i could tell you as a
lawyer that has been around a lot of prosecutors and somebody in the judiciary committee, this usually doesn't end well. >> i would have no doubt about one thing. the agents running this investigation, at least at a minimum, skimmed a few of the e-mails. >> by the way, i wish i could say bs on the air, because that's the only word that fits, when i have heard people say, you know, the fbi agents don't even know what's in the e-mails. please, you haven't spent five minutes around a d.a.'s office or a state attorney's office if you think that's how they operate. they wouldn't have stuck their neck on the line unless they, as you said, here's a polite word. here's a polite word, skim. >> gerald. >> i'm not saying -- >> gerald daughtry. we need to go to break. >> in other cases, they do this. look, we may need a warrant, but i better see one more just to
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interrupt. we have breaking news. >> not breaking news. >> we figured out the final paragraph of this piece, this "wall street journal" piece. some fbi agents were dissatisfied with mccabe's answer and asked for information to make a similar request to a federal prosecutor in manhattan, according to people familiar with mccabe, told the people they couldn't go prosecutor shopping, and who would that prosecutor be? you don't want -- if you're trying to protect the clintons, that is the last guy in america where you want to go. >> you're going to lose control of your investigation. >> yeah. >> you think this was all to avoid -- >> if you're trying to protect somebody, i'm not saying it is, but if you're trying to protect somebody, preet is the last person. >> he's a killer. he's going to get the job done. >> benjy writes in part this, the world is a violent place and it demands a violent response,
condensing donald trump's world view into a sentence isn't easy, but that one may come close. from the outside, trump's campaign may seem like a storm emitted random strikes of lightni lightning, but there's a pattern that places the pattern in sharp focus as trump issues apocalyptic conspiracies of a vast conspiracy to steal the election. >> you don't have to take it from me. this is something trump talked about a million times and i'm sure on the show, if you hit him, he hits back. that's the overriding principle. >> i totally agree. that's what he wants people to think. what i'm so confused about, yeah, he's going to be tough. he's going to kick isis's ass, then he says, isis, turn it over to russia. there seems to be inconsistencies with him where it's sort of the opposite of
speak softly and carry a big stick. he speaks loudly and says, we don't want to go there. >> it's not so much about a specific action or policy. it's about projecting strength. showing your the big, dominant one, and that scares people off. the idea is it's a very kind of dystopian world out there and you have to make yourself look dangerous, even crazy to scare the people who want to harm you. an example is constantly threatening lawsuits that usually don't happen. we had numerous examples in the last week or two on this. it's about specifically, well, someone did something bad to me. i have to find some way to retaliate. this is one way to do it. you see it on foreign policy. they're bad to us, suddenly he starts talking about, well, let's start torturing people. they're bad to us, well, maybe we have to take out families. there's always this kind of escalation. >> by the way, not to get in the legal -- these are war crimes. >> blatant war crimes. the thing that worries people
most about trump's critics is this obsession with retaliation very often skirts beyond normal sense of the law or constitutional elements. >> you talk to the supporters and you go, you know he's not going to build a wall? i know. you know he can't do the muslim ban? yeah. you know what he's talking about is a war crime? but he's trying to make a bigger point. >> some people totally believe he's going to to that. other people tell me it's a negotiating stance. trying to aim high. >> aim high or very low, right? >> that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. happy halloween. hi, there. i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning, we have breaking news. the search is on. fbi now combing through the hundreds of thousands of e-mails on the computer of hillary clinton's top aide, huma abedin, shared with her husband, after receiving a late night war nlt, how long will it take? massive