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clintons. >> that means lying press. it's nazi propaganda term. and this weekend, one supporter didn't bother to code his message into the original german. >> you're the ones -- usa, usa, usa, usa usa usa, usa usa, usa. >> jew sa, you're the one going down. >> the man said we're run by the jews, okay? we're run by the jews. jew sa. eight days left, eat more
protein. get some sleep. >> any word on how long the jew sa guy was an undecided voter? how long did it take him to decide which campaign he was going to back? >> do you think he's still simmering? >> he's at a trump rally. i'm just wondering how hard it was for him to figure out which side spoke to him. >> i don't want to track him down if you don't mind. >> we'll leave him where we found him. thank you, rachel. have you given anything to charity? any money at all? $5? $10? if you have, that makes you a bigger charitable giver than donald trump, for the last several years. david fahrenthold will join us tonight with his latest washington post report on just how much donald trump actually gives to charity and how much donald trump lies about giving to charity.
but first, what has hurricane comey done to the presidential race? >> happy halloween, everybody. >> how can hillary manage this country, when she can't even manage her e-mails? >> i understand, and, as i've said, i'm not making excuses. i've said it was a mistake and i regret it. >> former attorney general eric holder calling comey's actions a serious mistake. >> now they apparently want to look at e-mails of one of my staffers, and by all means, they should look at them. and i'm sure they will reach the same conclusion they did when they looked at my e-mails. >> i never thought we'd be saying thank you to anthony wiener. >> there is no case. >> now we have comey putting his finger on the scale. >> i'll neither defend nor criticize what director comey has decided to communicate to the public about an investigation. >> you don't talk about an
investigation this close to the election. >> i think most people have decided a long time ago what they think about all of this. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. friday night, at the height of hurricane comey, hillary clinton was asked to evaluate what fbi director james comey's vague revelation about new developments in the state department e-mail investigation would mean to her presidential campaign. >> you know, i think people a long time ago made up their minds about the e-mails. i think that's factored into what people think, and now they're choosing a president. >> and as of tonight, all of the polling evidence that we have indicates that hillary clinton was right. a nbc tracking poll shows no effect of the fbi news on the candidates. hillary clinton is holding at
47%, with donald trump at 41%. those are exactly the same numbers recorded in the tracking poll on the days before the fbi's investigation was revealed. a political morning consult poll shows hillary clinton maintaining a three-point lead ahead of donald trump with hillary clinton at 42, donald trump at 39, and that is the same margin that hillary clinton held last week before the investigation was revealed. and early voting continued this weekend, without showing any signs of weakness for the clinton campaign. joining us now is dr. michael mcdonald, associate professor of political science in florida. he leads a project which tracks information about elections and early voting. professor, what do we see in the early voting evidence since friday? is there anything in it where we
can read the effects of the fbi investigation? >> well, if we read any effects, it's no effect. we had early voting going on over the weekend. we had information officials were collecting to make sure people weren't voting more than once. we can look at that data. and we can see that the election has proceeding just as it was before the revelations. >> what are the key states to watch in the early voting patterns right now? >> it's really a mixed bag out there. you have great pieces of candy if you're one many camp and bad the other hand. there's key states that are getting clarity, those are nevada, colorado and virginia. now virginia of course is not an early vote state, but they have a generous number of early voting because they have permissive early voting laws. nevada and colorado, we're going
to see two-thirds or more of the votes cast prior to election day. votes are already piling in, over 1 million votes in colorado already counted. and in both states, the democrats are looking as good if not better than the 2012 performance, so nevada, colorado look very safe for clinton at this point. virginia, we've seen, you know, basically the trump campaign has already withdrawn from the state. so there's not a lot of surprise or suspense there. but the early vote numbers are telling us something very similar to what we've seen in the polling numbers all along out of virginia. they're good for clinton, there are also good states for trump. those good for trump at this point are iowa and ohio. and i think there's movement in north carolina towards trump as well. now we've seen weakness for clinton and the democrats. it's really not strength for trump, but weakness among democrats in iowa and ohio. there's been some inkling in the
last week that they're starting to claw their way back. maybe they can make it all the way back to 2012 levels by the end of this week. but they're starting at a deficit right now. north carolina's a different story. it's very complicated. there have been all the legal wranglings going on there, but in a nutshell, the democrats fell behind when the number of polling locations were reduce. they've expanded, and democrats have come back from their deficit that they had during that first week, but republicans are taking advantage even more than the democrats so far. and so if i were to, you know, we've seen some polling out of north carolina showing clinton with a lead. i would think maybe it's a little closer than that. >> a quick word about texas? >> texas. we're seeing incredible numbers out of texas. about 42% turnout so far over their 2012 levels. they're not the only state that we're seeing this. we're seeing it across the country, louisiana already over 100% of the 2012 turnout.
>> that's amazing. professional michael mcdonald, thank you for joining us. >> the clinton campaign's initial news about the fbi direction was to attack the director of the fbi. in a tweet on sunday, hillary clinton said he bowed to partisan pressure and released a vague and inappropriate letter to congress. today the clinton campaign pulled back from attacking comey's motivations. here's how hillary clinton talked about it on the campaign trail. >> i'm sure a lot of you may be asking what this new e-mail story is about and why in the world the fbi would decide to jump into an election with no evidence of any wrongdoing with just days to go. that's a good question. and first of all, for those of you who are concerned about my using personal e-mail. i understand, and, as i've said, i'm not making excuses. i said it was a mistake and i regret it. and now they apparently want to
look at e-mails of one of my staffers, and by all means they should look at them. and i am sure they will reach the same conclusion they did when they looked at my e-mails for the last year. there is no case here. >> and huma abedin's silence has be broken, but only through her attorney. her attorney released this statement today, saying she only learned for the first time on friday from press reports of the possibility that a laptop belonging to mr. wiener could contain e-mails of hers. while the fbi has not contacted us about this, ms. abedin will continue to be, as she always has been, forthcoming and cooperative. joining us, managing editor of bloomberg politics and co-host of "with all due respect." also with us, charlie sikes, radio host from milwaukee and a msnbc contributor.
so we have this statement from huma abedin, hillary clinton taking just a much smarter approach to this today. because it's very, she's playing it very offhand, very relaxed. making it sound like the familiar story that it is. and not looking for any direct clash with comey. >> well, you know, they got, what they managed to do over the weekend was two things the clintons are good at doing. when attacked, going on offense, and then finding a lot of surrogates. outsourcing the attack on comey. once they had the wide degree and bipartisan degree of criticism of comey, it allowed her to back off and basically say, we'll let the surrogates do this. i think it's one of the key differences between this and other october surprises. this is not new information, right, it's not like the "access hollywood" tape where donald trump is boasting about sexual
president ati predags. when you have old information that doesn't advance the story, it's hard to get an extraordinarily amount of traction. it can create a lot of noise, but for it to get a lot of traction, move a lot of vets, it's got to be new information with a lot of direct connotation. >> the sit of us were sitting here analyzing it, and it was hard for me to see what new information came out of director comey that a voter could attach to and say, ah, this is what i needed to vote for donald trump. or this pulls me away from hillary clinton since it didn't really add much to the hillary clinton e-mail story. >> yeah, and we've reached the stage in the campaign that there's so much information that the voters have stopped processing the information. right now voters are looking for things that confirm their bias or where they were going to go. this works on both sides.
if we have a 14th or 15th woman that comes forward and says she was groped by donald trump, will that be the decisive moment? is there any voter who goes, i wasn't going to vote for that sexual predator, donald trump, but now that we find out that some of those e-mails may have been on anthony wiener's computer, by god, i'm going to change my vote. we're involved in this trench warfare, and unless there's some major story, it's not going to move anything. what clinton did get done is the justice department saying they were going to expedite things. that might be a game changer to the extent that there are any game changers anymore. >> as you read huma abedin's lawyer's statement, she did not even know it was possible, she didn't know it was possible that any of her e-mails could have been on this computer. >> well, i mean, i don't fully
understand what that means or what the theory of the case would be as to how they were on his computer without her knowing about it. but it is clear that is the posture she must adopt, because they were compelled to give over all devices that had any work related e-mail on them, so if she thought there was a chance that her e-mail was on anthony's computer she would be compelled to turn that over, and that would and problem for her now. i'm not doubting the veracity of the claim, but whether she believe it or doesn't believes it, it's the claim she has to make right now or she'd be in huge legal jeopardy. >> let's listen to what donald trump said about their today. >> this is the biggest scandal since watergate. hillary wants to blame everyone else for her mounting legal troubles, but she has brought all of this on herself. hillary is the one who broke the law over and over and over again. we can be sure that what is in those e-mails is absolutely
devastating. and i think we're going to find out, by the way. for the first time. hillary is not the victim. the american people are the victims of this corrupt system. in every way. >> charlie, the donald trump, as usual, overstating it. there's a way to play this on the trump side of it, but he has to pretend he knows what's in the e-mail the, he has to say it's the worst thing since watergate where people were sentenced to prison. >> i heard newt gingrich with the same line. you know what the elephant in the room is? we found that the fbi has been investigating ties between the trump campaign and russia. you want to talk about something bigger than watergate, if it turns out that russian espionage had been tapping in to effect the election, that actually is
bigger than water gate, and for some reason, director comey didn't want to share that. i don't remember the letters to congress saying yes, we investigated these ties between the trump campaign. i'm not saying that i know what those ties are, and there's a lot of question about that, but in terms of something that ought to be of really profound concern to americans, this is something we've never seen before, and it is kind of amazing that it hasn't received more attention. >> thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. coming up, what is the most important story in this campaign that is not being reported as a campaign story? something that affects this campaign profoundly? that is going to be coming up later in the program. also coming up, the story that rachel teased for us in the last hour about donald trump's charitable giving. david fahrenthold is here with his latest report. that's coming up. yeah. well, we gotta hand it to fedex. they've helped make our e-commerce so easy, and now we're getting all kinds of new customers. i know.
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with our most vitamin d three ever. as regular viewers of this program know, last december donald trump september nt me a r $10,000 for the kind fund that i created with unicef for desks for kids in the poor african country of malawi. it was a check from the trump foundation. i sent that check back to donald trump with an explanation that i could not accept anything from a presidential candidate. and then i gave my own check for $10,000 to the kind fund so that sending back donald trump's check would not mean fewer desks delivered to schools in malawi.
so with that check i became a bigger donor than donald trump and so are you, if you gave anything to charity before donald trump started running for president. if you gave anything at all in the last few years, that is more than donald trump has given in those years, because thanks to david fahrenthold's extraordinary reporting in the wa washington post, we know there is no record of donald trump giving charitable contribution at all, for several years. there's pno proof at all that donald trump is a billionaire, but he is certainly rich enough to give monte charity, more than i can afford. one of the many scrooge-like stories that david fahrenthold tells, is that when donald trump was a principal for a day at a public school in the bronx, the chess team at that school was
desperately trying to raise money to travel to a tournament. they needed $5,000. luckily for them, there was a guy in the building that day, principal for the day, who was claiming to be a billionaire. quote, he handed them a fake million dollar bill, said david macke mackenulty. he then gave them $200 in real money. why just $200? i have no idea. he was about the most clueless person i've ever seen. joining us now, david fahrenthold, reporter for the washington post, and you also report that a woman in new york read about this episode in the "new york times." she then called up the school and donated the $5,000 that donald trump didn't and said, when she called, i am ashamed to be the same species as this man.
and that's just one of the stories in your latest report. >> that's right. who went looking for examples over the years where trump had tried to exaggerate his scha charitable giving. there were a number of cases that despite the image he was cultivating as a generous person he was giving little or nothing to the charities he seemed to be helping. >> let's listen to donald trump. >> you got paid over a million. >> a lot more than that. >> you are getting paid $2.5 million. >> i am giving the money to charity. >> what charity are you giving it to? >> lots of charities, aids research, lots of different -- >> david, true or false? >> false. trump did not do that. he said he was going to give $2.5 million away to charity. that was in 2004, i think. if you look at all the charitable giving i've found
since then, it doesn't add up to $2.5 million. but we know he didn't, because a couple months later he went on howard stern and said oh, yeah, i'm not going to do that. >> let's listen to him making further promises to give to charity on his own tv show. >> most importantly, you win $20,000 for your charity, which is? >> the friendship organization. >> very good. congratulations. >> i'm going to give $20,000 to your charity, because they shouldn't suffer because of a mistake that you made. and khloe, you're fired. >> david, it's true that khloe was fired, but is it true or false that donald trump gave $20,000 to that charity? >> he gave nothing out of his own pocket. her charity did get 20 thousand dollars, but it came from the donald j. trump foundation, which is a charity filled with other people's money. >> and some of it came from nbc, presumably so that he could make those promises on his show, to
give to charity using that money. >> that's right. these promises trump would make when a celebrity would be fired and they weren't going to win any more prize money, he would say, i'm going to give you money out of my own wallet. it added pathos to these moimens of firing. they gave him money which more than covered all the quote-unquote personal donations. so in all the ones i looked at where trump said i'm going to give you money out of my own wallet, it was never out of his own wallet. >> what is the sum total we have here in charitable giving prior to his presidential campaign? >> before his presidential campaign, if you go back to the early 1980s, i found about $6.7 million. the bulk of that, $5.5 million went to the donald j. trump foundation. >> and many, many years where he gave zero out of his own pocket.
>> his campaign has refused to tell me anything about what he actually gives ot of his own pocket other than to say there's tens of millions of dollars. i've looked. i've called more than 430 charities looking for evidence, even the tip of the iceberg that would show me that trump's been giving out of his own possibility. between 2009 and this may, i can find no evidence of giving, no gifts out of trump's own pocket. before this may sha, the last gi found was $10,000 in 2009. >> extraordinary reporting. thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. coming up next, democrats trying to win the presidency, but they also need to win the senate if they're going to be able to do anything with the presidency. we are either going to have to get used to having eight or fewer supreme court justices or a democratic senate could change all that. charlie cook is studying the race for the white house and the
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rubio doesn't care if you boo, but he'll care if you vote. >> the president was in florida friday night, campaigning not just for hillary clinton to wint presidency, but for the democrats to win back the senate. >> i believe hillary clinton will be a great president. i believe she will move this country forward, but she's going to need our help. it's not enough just to elect her and then have a republican congress that is already talking about not being willing to cooperate with her on anything. they're already saying they may not appoint a ninthupreme court justice at all. they boast about their refusal to compromise, as if that in and of itself is an accomplishment. if you care about creating jobs
that families can live on. if you care about child care they can afford, if you care about equal pay for equal work. if you care about raising the minimum wage, then i need you not just to vote for hillary, but i need you to vote up and down the ticket. i need you to vote for patrick murphy. i need you to vote for our members of congress. >> without a democrat-controlled senate, the united states might just have to get used to having eight members of the supreme court, or even less if some other justice leave ths the cou. here is richard burr in a tough fight over the weekend. >> if hillary clinton becomes president, i'm going to do everything i can do to make sure that four years from now we've still got an opening on the supreme court. >> joining us now, someone who's
always d always calm at the center of the storm, charlie cook. charlie, first of all, your reading of the presidential race now that we're on the other side of hurricane comey. >> well, i think what's probably -- i don't know that things have changed that much. we don't know what's going to be in those e-mails, but as of now, clinton had a pretty decent lead. i mean, it was, three, four, five points. something like that. in most of the polling we're seeing, and she had an electoral college advantage that was fa fairly substantial. so i wouldn't say it's over, but this is really uphill for trump. until we have any concrete evidence that the race has changed, we have to assume it's where it was a week ago. >> and what about the senate she's going to be working with, and to hear the possibility that a republican senate might just
never confirm a democratic president's nominee to the supreme court puts all the more focus on the senate now. >> about a, a little over a week ago, pollsters and strategists in both parties started seeing republican numbers really kind of tankintanking. and that's why early this week we, i guess monday, tuesday. we changed our estimate to democrats picking up somewhere between five and seven senate seats. since that time, we haven't seen much of a shift. is it plausible that democrats could drop over the next few days? sure, it could happen. have we seen it? no, but basically, you know, there are 34 senate races. we pretty much know what's going to happen in 28 of them. so that means that there are six that are still outstanding that we're watching very, very carefully.
and those races don't seem to have changed much in the last couple days. >> the democrats, the democratic senate committee always gets confused by florida. they seem to pull resources away from patrick murphy and then consider that. did that surprise you? >> well, no. murphy got croaked early with resume problems. and florida's a strong two-party state. so nobody, rubio was never going to win by a big margin. nobody was going to win by a big margin. that keeps it fairly close, but i think chuck schumer's pretty cold blood. he looks at it, says this guy's not going to win, let's fifth our mond -- shift our money elsewhere. harry reid's a little softer. it's not a race that i think is going to be that close. when i say six races, florida's not in that six. >> and charlie, are these senate
races basically being run as localized campaigns? or are we seeing the trump effect in the drop for republican senate candidates? >> well, there was a drop, but i think what it was was a drop of enthusiasm. that as, you know, you got past the third debate. trump's numbers started really dropping. and as a result, republican voters started losing heart, losing enthusiasm, which meant they started dropping out of the, not passing through the likely voter screens, and thus you started seeing democratic numbers starting to balloon out. so it was really a loss of enthusiasm and likelihood of voting for republicans that caused this yawning, this opening up of numbers for democrats in a number of these really close races. >> so final verdict, charlie, no big change from thursday, the day before the comey letter to
here monday night. >> it could happen, but we have not seen it yet. >> charlie cook, thank you for joining us tonight, really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. coming up, a white supremist is backing donald trump in utah and making robocalls for trump. you have to hear this one to believe it. and donald trump made the cover of the new york magazine this week, but it doesn't look like a cover he's going to like. and he's not going to be very happy with the story inside the magazine. dave sherman, the author of that cover story will join us. [ cough ]
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mcmullin, third party candidate who is polling very strongly in utah. >> hello. my name is william johnson, i'm a farmer and a white nationalist, i make that call against evan mcmullin and in support of donald trump. evan mcmull-is an open borders, amnesty supporter. evan has two mommies, his mother is a lesbian married to another woman. evan is over 40 years old and is not married and doesn't even have a girlfriend. i believe p evan is a closet homosexual. don't vote for evan mcmullin. vote for donald trump. he will respect all women and be a president we can all be proud of. i paid for this ad for the american national super pac. >> tonight macmullan retweeted a link to that robocall, calling it another desperate attack from
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no matter who shows up. do you like nuts? donald trump always frames every magazine cover that's on. sometimes years could go by without him being on a magazine cover, but not any more. and we're not sure what he's going to do with the latest cover of new york magazine, the "loser" cover. the cover story is by gabe sherman. it is titled "final days." trump's advisers are working hard to plan their own futures while riding out the rollercoaster end of the campaign. final days is of course an echo of bob woodward and carl bernstein's book about the final days of richard nixon's presidency. that book depicted richard nixon
as a half-sane, half sober president being managed by those who thought he was dangerous and delusional. the picture of the trump campaign final days is now the 21st century version of the final days of the joining us now is gabriel sherman. this one is just amazing to me what these people are saying to you. i just want to start with what would be the first thing you'd wonder about. what it's like in the trump bunker at this point. when i asked one senior trump adviser to describe the scene inside, he responded, think of the bunker right before hitler killed himself. donald's in denial. they're all in denial. >> it's really striking. you said at the top kissinger was trying to manage nixon. the real problem with trump is
he is unmanageable. a portrait emerges of a candidate who got this far and is unable to follow any advice. and if you look at his poll numbers, the minute he would get even with clinton, he would self-sabotage. he would listen to advisers and pull back even and the pattern would repeat itself. >> there's a lot about how you get donald trump to do something. you have to trick him into thinking it's his idea. it's an elaborate process. >> it takes many forms, kellyanne conway told me sometimes she'll speak to him through television. another technique -- >> so something she would try to say to him in the office that he would ignore, she's then sitting there on one of these shows, saying it, knowing ihe'll liste to it now. >> another technique would be,
instead of trying to take away twitter, she would say, let's try feather in a few positive tweets in addition to the insane ones, so it's, another great quote, it's like telling someone, have two brownies instead of six brownies. so you have to move him in the direction you want to move him. >> there's a certain amount of "he should have listened to me", in this reporting. a lot of it went on before this fbi thing came up. and the fbi hasn't affected anything in the polling, so the polling indicates that everything they were perceiving then she should they should be now about how much they're losing and where they're losing, but they all seem to be figuring out what their own futures are going to be. >> what was striking is everyone around him has been positioning themselves. they all have different agendas. steve bannons, which is to move the republican --
>> what does he want to be when he grows up? >> the avatar of the new republican party, which is a populist, nationalist party, not the party of fiscal conservatives and social conservatives. he wants to re-brand the party and donald trump as people have described him is the vehicle by which to do that. >> and the others have other agendas, including commercial agendas. >> exactly. donald trump's son-in-law, jared kushner would like to create a new media company based upon this populist movement. he has met with bankers and said how do we mondmonetize this. >> if you have one magazine cover no your housin your house be this one. coming up, the worst thing that's happened to the trump campaign that is not being reported. nything!
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so outside of the polling in the swing states, early voting, all that stuff, what is the worst thing that has happened to the trump campaign this week? it's happening right now, and just as a hint, it actually has something to do with the governing policies donald trump is proposing. the answer's coming up. i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here. people rely on that first cup and i wouldn't want to mess with that. but when (my) back pain got bad, i couldn't sleep.
the generals do, believe me. >> it was just about a year ago that donald trump started saying that. i know more generals do, but you haven't heard him say it lately. because today the iraqi campaign has moved ever closer to retaking the city of mosul, which isis has declared to be, basically, its capital city of the caliphate. it is simply the most important city in the world for isis at this point, and they're on the verge of losing it, thanks to those generals who donald trump has constantly insulted. the washington post reports tonight that the push by the iraqi military has progressed faster than expected. the iraqi government is urging citizens in mosul to stay in their homes. it is a big city with about a million people. it would be like the tenth biggest city in the united states. one of the plans was to give all
those people hope, to tell those million people that help was on the way, to hang on. a million people, living under the brutal rule of isis needed to know that. that, of course, was something that donald trump could not understand. with isis on the run, barbers and cigarettes are returning to the villages near mosul. men are now openly smoking cigarettes, which isis does not allow. and they are happily getting haircuts and shaving their beards. it's the first time they've been allowed to shave since isis took over their lives. the only place where isis is still winning today is at donald trump rallies and the worse news for the donald trump campaign is now coming not from a swing state but from just outside mosul where the iraqi military, supported by american air cover is closing in on isis. they might not retake mosul by
election day, but the generals are proving they know a lot more about isis than donald trump does. joining us now endeara lachmanan. this is one of the many stories that is very hard for the news media to get to but are completely relevant to the day to day campaigning for president, especially, when you hear donald trump talk about isis. >> well, it's incredibly important, and this is partly because when you look at the polls of what are the most important issues for persameric it is the economy number one and terrorism number two. since 9/11 there have been very few terrorism-related deaths in the united states. the vast majority were the 3,000 people who were killed on 9/11
itself. and since then, the worse attack we've had is of course the orlando attack which is someone who was inspired by isis, but going back to the point you were making about how the generals clearly know more than donald trump does about isis, we're talking about 100,000 coalition troops. most of those are iraqi, of course, but a couple thousand of them are americans who are backing the iraqi forces who are now on the outskirts of mosul. the special forces of iraq are expected to get into the city within hours, according to iraq's counter terrorism chief today. so i think you will see iraq's second-largest city back in the hands of iraqi forces backed by the united states and the 60-country coelalition, that hus one of donald trump's main talking points, which he says the obama administration is a disaster, he doesn't know anything about fighting
terrorism. it hasn't done anything right. in fact, if we look at the real hard numbers, isis is losing. in the last two years since the obama administration started its campaign, isis has lost half of its territory in iraq and 25% of its territory in syria. so once mosul is gone, all they're going to have left is their capital in syria, raqqah, and we expect that there willn as well to take that away from isis. >> this issue that donald trump kept bringing up, what about the element of surprise. imagine that chicago was being held by some group. we would want chicago to know that we're on the way. we're coming. we would want everyone to know. that's kind of what this is. >> it's that, and it's also the question tt if some of those isis leaders were to then jump into vehicles and try to escape, that's where the u.s. special forces and the iraqi special forces are going to be watching
for them. >> yes. >> and they're going to try to get them. what they don't want is isis to be using civilians as human shields. and what we know, according to the reports from the city, they have executed some 200 people, civilians, since this attack began. so it is to telegraph in part to try to pull the leaders out so they will be easier targets for the anti-isis forces. >> they're trying to co-op the population. if you were thinking about joining isis, you might pull out and wait for the good guys. >> these are people living under the force of isis for two years. i covered the fall of the taliban in afghanistan, and
these are the same sorts of things we saw when the taliban fell. i think we going to be seeing it within a matter of weeks. whether it affects the american population, we don't know whether they'll get that joining us tonight. really appreciate it. msnbc's live coverage continues into the 11th hour with brian williams, that's next. tonight with the fbi director now a big part of this presidential election, and an e-mail investigation underway, hillary clinton says there is no case here. donald trump on the trail tonight sounding off warning of possible devastating e-mails, and the possibility that if elected, hillary clinton could face trial. and with trump on the attack with democrats feeling nervous, where does this race stand with adjust sev just seven days to go. tonight the results of the msnbc survey, the 11th hour begins now. here we are, good e