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first republican since 1956 to lose among one important swath of the electorate. find out who we're talking about right now. go to and you'll see the story right there. until tomorrow, thanks for watching. sayonara. "hardball with chris matthews" is next. big mo, don't know. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. with just days to go, donald trump and hillary clinton are both making their final pushes to drive out voters. today, neither candidate was seen cruising on the high road. >> putin has no respect for hillary clinton. he dreams -- he dreams of her becoming president. you know who else dreams of hillary clinton? isis. she always talking about me. see, what i have is a winning temperament. i have a winning temperament.
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hillary is an unstable person. >> donald stood on a stage and said, and i quote, i'm honored to have the greatest temperament that anyone's ever had. he knows we can see and hear him, right? his instinct is to say whatever pops into his head, no matter how wrong he is, he can't help himself. so is this someone we want to put in charge of our military? >> you take the high road? no, you take the high road! making a rare appearance on the campaign trail today, melania trump today gave her first speech since the republican national convention. she told a crowd up in pennsylvania that as first lady, she will focus on advocating for women and children. she called for combatting, by the way, meanness in our culture, and she vouched for her husband. let's watch. >> he loves this country and he knows how to get things done. not just talk. he certainly knows how to shake things up, doesn't he? make america great again is not
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just some slogan. it is what has been in his heart since the day i met him. every time my husband learned of a factory closing in ohio or north carolina or here in pennsylvania, i saw him get very upset. he could see what was happening. he saw the problems. and he always talked about how he could fix them. >> also today, we learned that on the eve of the election, the eve itself, monday, that's two, three days from now, hillary clinton will join her husband, bill, their daughter, chelsea, and both president obama and michelle obama, all in a big rally monday evening in philadelphia and we will be there to cover that for a couple of hours. anyway, joining me right now, "time" magazine contributor, jay newton small, we've missed you. former republican national committee chairman, michael steele. we're used to you. and author, don reagan. i think you're fascinating. i want to start with you, michael.
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does your nose tell you -- i can usually tell on the thursday before an election, which way the wind's blowing. and right now, i don't think there's any velocity or direction to it, but many people keep telling me it's a little bit in trump's direction. how do you read the wind right now? >> i would read the wind that way. and the objective, or i guess, obvious -- you know, obvious information i can rely on is the car i was in this morning on my way to the airport, i was talking to the driver, and he was going on about hillary. and i'm thinking, this guy's a hillary supporter. he's a minority voter. and at the end of it, he turns around and says, at the end of the day, i just can't trust her, so i think i'm voting for trump. and that kind of momentum, i was like startled, because it confirms to me that trump has sort of tapped into this late energy. the problem he's going to have, chris, is with lack of organization on the ground, lack of real focus on those key battleground states, until just recently, whether he can turn that vote out. the voter that was driving the
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car this morning, to get him to the polls, that's going to be his real test. >> you heard the word "him? i heard the word "him." i get it. i think that's a focus group of a guy. here we've got toxic a about a women, because i keep hearing college-educated women are the best voters in the country. meaning they show up and they're going to show up this week because of their ambitions, aspirations, and their attitude towards people who are trying to stymie those aspirations. >> that has been hillary clinton's firewall. college-educated white women who are turning out in larger numbers than anticipated for her and they just love her. that's who she really is trying to turn out. the interesting thing -- >> explain why they like her. just for the people who are going for abcs here. why would a woman -- i hate to say "white." why would a woman, a professional woman, who goes to work in the morning and deals with men at work, deals with the whole thing. why would that person be for hillary clinton? >> well, i mean, again, we're talking about a subset of college-educated white women who
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don't like donald trump, don't ke his rhetoric, don't really relate to him but also want to see the first female president ever elected. they really like the idea of a woman. they can relate to hillary. they can see themselves to some degree in hillary, especially the older women and they've seen her over years and years and years change as they have changed and grown into the workforce. >> ron, do you have a sense of which way the things -- everybody does their anecdotal polling. we all do it. my -- i just don't sense any direction -- i hear everybody saying trump, like -- i heard michael say it. i don't know if it's true, but i do think this is a weird weekend coming up, that there's no wind direction. where do those undecideds go? >> well, that's a very good question. and who could be undecided at this point? really? we've had this conversation before during presidential elections where it gets down to the last few days and there's still a sizable percentage of the electorate who's undecided. how could you possibly, at this point, not be --
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>> there are probably people, at least 5%, who said, what'd you think of reagan? i don't know! ha! after obama, there's probably 5% that say, i don't know. but just remember, when the allies in the french army, the free french army went into paris, liberating the country from the german occupation, there were people lying with their towels along the sand sunbathing! they weren't interested! there are people that just aren't political and there's nothing you can do about it. what are those tanks doing here? what's the action about today? well, they say there's a war going on. give me a break. your thoughts? >> i think you're probably right that the wind is sort of swirling at the moment. if you look at the polls and look at all the polling sites like 538 and the rest of them, it does seem that the race is tig tightening. and you've got to ask yourself the question why. why are we even having this conversation. why are we talking about the coming hillary clinton administration and --
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>> because everydy doesn't live in seattle. ron, because everybody doesn't live in seattle. >> i suppose that's true. yeah, or new york or chicago or san francisco or los angeles. >> anyway, in her speech today, out in the suburbs of philly, melania trump chose an interesting area to focus on. this seems to be the thing to talk about now. the rise of cyberbullying, and i said, the meanness of our culture. let's watch melania. >> like anything that is powerful, it can have a bad side. we have seen this already. as adults, many of us are able to handle mean words, even lies. children and teenagers can be fragile. they are hurt when they are made fun of or made to feel less in looks or intelligence. this makes their life hard and can force them to hide and retreat.
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our culture has gotten too mean and too rough. especially to children and teenagers. >> okay, jay, then i want to hear michael, because michael knows this as well of any of us at this table. twhi do all the ads at the end -- i watched the world series last night, a great game. a really great game. baseball looked good last night. and the teams looked great. i love all those dugout shots. you really get a sense of the place. why is it always nasty at the end? i'm watching these ads here, luan bennett against barbara comstock, a local race for the house. nasty, nasty, nasty. and they pair them together all through the game. it's just two women going after each other, nastily. >> but that's what works. polling has always showed that going negative does work. but you can't do it for a long amount of time, because then it zrois things. the power of going negative always works right at the end. that's why everybody does it. going nasty at the end. but i wanted to give you my analogy of the boat thing. i feel like hillary -- we're just short of the finish line and hillary's boat has stalled
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and she's bailing out water with all of this comey stuff going on. and donald trump, the wind is coming right up behind him, but that's also stalled, the wind has kind of let out the sails a little bit, so they're both frantically paddling to get over the finish line. >> i want to make a point here that trump is a flawed candidate. i think we can all agree with that, michael, you included. but there must have been something behind that message he tapped into. you can talk about the racial partisan part of it, the ethnic prejudice part of it, but there was a powerful message of dissatisfaction with the elites of this country in both parties, that showed itself all through the republican primaries. all of those guys ended up looking like bozos, and they're not bozos, but they look weak, because the republican party is weak. and the democratic party has been so complacent this year, it hasn't really made its case. hillary talks about being for women and children. that's good. those are good values. but nothing -- no lift of a driving dream coming out of the democratic message machine. nothing, that i can see. so i can see why trump -- just think if trump were a good
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candidate. just think if he were clean and silling what he's been selling. your thoughts? >> to that point, chris, i go back to my driver this morning, who when i asked him why said, because i think trump will help me with my business. that economic message, which was the beginning of salvo from the trump campaign, resonated. and still resonates. and if -- >> that's in a new ad, by the way. >> yeah. and if we had not had entered into the land of crazy for the last 11 months, and this was, as you said, a campaign that was focused on yes, defining washington, but going beyond washington in a way that people felt that their futures were going to be helped by administration, this would be a very different race right now. >> ron, what do you feel about the voters this time? i know you don't like trump, most people don't either, but what is your feeling about the
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voter and how the voters reacted to trump. the fact that this race, in the latest polling by "the washington post" is within a point or two points, it's back and forth, it's almost even. it has -- it seems like ccrap doesn't hit the fan for three days in country, it goes back to 50/50 again. your thoughts? >> i think people in washington, d.c., the political elite, ands a in the media elite, meaning us among other people, underestimate the level of contempt there is. and i use that word advisably. contempt. there is in the country at large four washington elites and we in the media. i mean, there are people to listen to what we say. i presume. but not all that many. a lot of people just tune us out and people like us out. and they really are fed up with what's going on in washington. they want radical change of some type. and a lot of them are low-information voters. they vote with their gut and
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donald trump appeals to that gut. you know, again, it's remarkable that we're sitting here talking about a potential donald trump presidency, which would amount to a national emergency. i have to say. i mean, we're having fun here. we're talking, it's a conversation. but we should be taking this very seriously. 1 in 3 chance of donald trump becoming president is a 1 in 3 chance of a giant asteroid hitting the planet. >> there's a part of this that wants the city to take some n e nitroglycerin and shake things up. president obama hit the campaign trail again today and knocked trump as unfit to be president. talk about having fun, the president has been joyous out there, ron, doing what he's doing. he is so happy. >> he's so good at it, too. >> let's watch him. >> donald trump is uniquely unqualified to be president. i'm not joking. he is temperamentally unfit to be commander in chief. anybody who is upset about a
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"saturday night live" skit, you don't want in charge of nuclear weapons. this guy who like tweets, they should cancel saturd"saturday n liv live", i don't like how alec baldwin's imitating me. really?! i mean, that's the thing that bothers you? and you want to be president of the united states? come on, man! come on! >> a short time later, donald trump, as you might expect, hit back. let's watch. >> he's down here campaigning for crooked hillary. why isn't he back in the white house, bringing our jobs back? and helping our veterans? he's campaigning every day. this guy ought to be back in the office working. he's not going to be there very long, thank goodness. but he ought to be back in the office working. >> well, there's a lot here going on.
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i want to go back to michael and the politics here of these two. >> it seems like they're both -- i mean, the president has stakes in this, he wants his legacy to continue, but he is a loorz guy than i've seen on the stump. he is a happy guy. he's the happy warrior out there. who's he going to get to vote? i notice every time he speaks, whether it's chapel hill or down in florida, he has this young wind-swept look of happy, young people in their early 20s, all looking very happy, without a lot of worries. who's that bringing in? who's that bringing into the polls? anybody? >> that's -- not really. and i think that's what -- has been one of the problems for hillary clinton, having the president, you know, in north carolina, in florida, has not translated into african-americans, for example, coming out on behalf of, you know, hillary clinton, at the request of the president. he made a direct pa earlier this week for that. so, yeah, a lot of this is, though, these two men genuinely
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dislike each other, for very obvious reasons on behalf of the president. why he has very little regard for donald trump. so i think he gets that pleasure. he's having fun with it. but i don't know how much of a lift he's actually brought to the table for hillary clinton in terms of those key constituencies that she wanted him out there for. >> have you decided yet, how you're going to vote? >> who, me? >> just tell me, yes, no. >> i've already voted. >> oh. oh, god, i can't ask you anymore. thank you, michael steele. thank you, jay newton small, and thank you, ron reagan. i think i know where you ended up in the booth. anyway, ron, thank you for coming on. you speak clearly. i'll say, let's look inside the numbers now. we've seen mooucht in the polls in the last couple of days. and which side should be sweating out the race at this point. trump may have some momentum, but clinton still may have the advantage because she had the jump on the guy. she was leading a long time before trump made his move. plus, hillary clinton and donald trump are making their closing arguments, fine tuning
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the messages on the stump and their new tv ads, which are interesting. who's got the most effective closing argument? and are there any voters out there who still can be swayed? and once again, the issue of race has sadly been socked back into this presidential race, thanks in large part to the fight -- the debate last night in louisiana, featuring david duke. finally tonight, my election diary, and what last night's game seven of the world series could tell us about the presidential campaign. an interesting contour. lots of surprises, homers in the eighth, things like that, fbi reports. this is "hardball," the place for politics. just like the people who own them, every business is different. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. whether it be help starting your business, vendor contracts or employment agreements. legalzoom's network of attorneys can help you every step of the way so you can focus on what you do.
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welcome back to "hardball." hillary clinton supporters were likely relieved yesterday after polls showed she had an edge in wisconsin, north carolina, and florida. but today a wbur poll up in new hampshire shows donald trump's up my a point now after clinton had been leading there since the summer. a separate suffolk university/"boston globe" poll shows the candidates tied at even, 42 points a piece. in arizona, where clinton held a
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rally last night, trump leads, however, five points, by five, 45-40, but there's still five more points to win there. that's in the latest nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist poll. that poll also shows a close race in the state of georgia. and in colorado, university of denver poll shows the candidates now tied at 39. however, nbc, that's our network, notes that the poll assumes the hispanic vote, the latino vote, in that electorate at 9%, while turnout among that group in 2012 is 14% and it's expected to exceed that. they may have the wrong weighting going on there. to that point, the associated press reports today at the national level, the tens of millions of early votes cast point to strength from democratic-leaning latino voters, giving hillary clinton a specific advantage in states like nevada and colorado, with more than half the votes already cast in those states, democrats are matching if not exceeding their successful 2012 race.
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anyway, tonight, both candidates are set to speak in the battleground state of north carolina, where the real clear politics average has the race dead even. i'm joined now by the democratic pollster, marji o'mara, as well as david pelilogas. david, what do you think? i've never seen so many states where they're almost dead even. in other words, it's hard to predict the electoral college at this point, because there's so many states, even georgia, they're bopping back and forth, in new hampshire, bopping back and forth. what do you see? >> yeah, it's amazing. i think you kind of have before comey and after comey. and if you look at the real clear politics averages, and i think when we look back at this election, we'll be judging a lot of the polling with the after-comey totals. and new hampshire, as we just released this afternoon, the polls showing the race dead even. none of the polling prior to today had shown trump leading or the race dead even. there are --
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>> who's moving -- who's moving -- david, who's moving to trump? jay newton small was just here and she says she believes it's white working women who didn't go to college. that group is moving back to trump, after having been against him after that "access hollywood" thing came out. >> yeah, and we asked the comey question, too, to your point, and that in this cover is, all demographics, really. and we asked the question of whether or not people were less likely to vote because of the comey letter to congress or if they thought it was an overblown story and it wouldn't affect their vote. going into this poll, i thought it would be around 30%. that's what i was hearing in other polls. and new hampshire was 49% less likely. 44% said it was an overblown story and it wouldn't affect their vote. that aside, among independents, the number jumps to 52%. and if you look at the people -- >> 52% who believe it affects their vote? >> 52% of independents who
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said -- less likely. and if you look at total of the three third party candidates on the new hampshire ballot and the undecid undecideds, it's almost 60% less likely. so i think that finding sort of crosses many demographics of the people who are the remaining voters. in addition to that -- >> well, explain, i don't think it's clear -- david, it's not clear what you're saying. what percentage of the voters in new hampshire are affected negatively towards hillary clinton by the disclosure from the fbi? what percentage are affected? >> 49%. >> are now less likely to be for hillary? >> that's right, 49% says less like i. but that number jumps over 50% in the key categories, that are independents and those people who are remaining to vote -- remaining to pick one of the two party candidates. that is the undecideds or the third party candidates and that's a problem going forward. >> let me go to marji on this question of, we're going to go to philadelphia and talk to the political organization up there, one of the last political machines. all the ward leaders are
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meeting, et cetera, getting together. how much is this ground game going to make up for hillary. would hillary win with 50-48 because she has a ground game? how do you measure that? >> you'd measure it first in the polls. you'd have people who are being contacted a lot. we just did a poll that measured recall of being contacted through ten different points of contact. and clinton did a better job at contacting her base than trump did among his, across a variety of different type of contact, web and online and so on. but you'd also see it in the early voting, which is why you see a lot of advantages in a lot of states like nevada and north carolina and florida, where -- >> is that a polled vote? >> well, you mean, is that -- >> is that polled? >> well, yes, it is part of polling. polling captures that. >> are they pulled out? >> yes. look, we don't know yet, is that just people voting early that would ultimately vote on the
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election day? or are you improving by banking those votes -- >> tell me the story you told me offstory. i wanted to respond to david about the couple where the husband is probably for trump, the wife is, i'm just gue guessinging, the wife is for hillary clinton. >> we did a focus group of couple who is disagree, of walmart moms, swing voting moms, and their husbands that disagree with them. in fact, we had two couples where the wives were trump and the men were for clinton. >> what does that tell you? >> one, the man was latino and he was voting for clinton. he said if trump won, he'd have to leave the country. and you had a couple saying, this is the worst our marriage has ever been. another saying, we watch in separate rooms so we don't have to be near each other. we don't talk about it. and another husband says, i'm glad she doesn't talk about it, because i don't want to be in the dog house. >> in our family, we don't argue politics. >> i find that hard to believe.
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>> it's true. thank you, margie and david. coming up, closing arguments. we're seeing a flurry of new campaign ads in the final days from both trump and clinton. who's got the most effective message in the stretch? we're going to talk tv ads now. we've talked ground game. let's talk tv ads, because there's some really interesting ones on the game last night. this is "hardball," the place for politics. or the freedom to choose what doctor you want to see. so if you're on medicare, consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like any standardized medicare supplement plan, you'll be able to stay with the doctor or specialist you trust... or look for someone new -- as long as they accept medicare patients. and you're not stuck in a network... because there aren't any. so why wait? call now to request your free decision guide and learn more.
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vestigation for many, many years. also likely to conclude in a criminal trial. this is not what we need in this country, folks. we need somebody that is going to go to work. >> welcome back to "hardball." that's donald trump earlier today, with five days until america chooses its next presidents, both candidates are presenting their closing arguments now to the public, trying to harness surging momentum, donald trump is releasing a number of new ads, trying to paint him, himself, as the only agent of change. let's watch this ad. >> the american moment is here. two choices. two americas. decided by you. hillary clinton will keep us on the road to stagnation. fewer jobs, rising crime, america diminished at home and abroad. donald trump will bring the change we're waiting for. america. better, stronger, more prosperous, for everyone. a plan for tomorrow. a future brighter than our past.
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the choice is yours. >> that was a good ad. meanwhile, hillary clinton has turned more negative in democraticing a bleak country, divided under a trump administration. yesterday in las vegas, clinton painted a grim picture of a trump administration in appeal to undecided voters. today she reinforced that message, by reminding voters just what trump has said in the past, using her own words. here she is. >> when mexico sends its people, they're bringing drugs, they're rapists. >> i would like to punch him in the face, i'll tell you. get him out of here! >> putting a wife to work is a very dangerous thing. >> wouldn't you rather, in a certain sense, have japan have nuclear weapons? >> and saudi arabia? >> saudi arabia, absolutely. >> talk of maybe using nuclear weapons. no one wants to hear that about an american president? >> then why are we making them? i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. i love war, in a certain way.
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>> for more on the candidates' closing arguments, i'm joined by robert costa and national political reporter for "the washington post," and gary rapschuett, former assistant to president jimmy carter. it does see for trump, for some reason he's going, i would call that relatively high road, not totally, it was a comparison ad. it had a bit of a morning in america aspect in a reagan ad. are they going to run them all weekend or go back to the dirt? >> they're trying to rev up the vote, not just among traditional republicans, but among working class democrats and independents. and i've been driving around pennsylvania, western pennsylvania all day today, chris. and those are the people in states like pennsylvania, the more blue, purpose states, that still seem to be a little bit on the fence. they want change. they aren't sure about trump. that's the case trump's making, too. that's the group trump's pitching. >> and i had the sense she was going to try to go high road at the end, but this has gotten so damned tight that she's had to
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react to that with an equal level of negativity from her side. do you see that, too? >> well, what's important about secretary clinton's ad is that she's not talking so much about the comments from "access hollywood," about trump and sex and misconduct and those kind of things. it's really about the core issue of being president, about temperament. things she was talking about in the late summer and early fall when she was ahead in the polls. saying, there is something almost apocalyptic about the prospect of a trump presidency. >> let me go to jerry. i know we talked and that first ad, you liked, from trump. >> yeah. because you don't hear trump. you hear trump say "i approve this ad," but you have somebody talking about trump. and you don't have -- it isn't as strident as trump has been through his campaign. he didn't run many ads prior to just recently. he didn't run anything in the
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primaries and it's been all him and it's uncontrollable. this is a well-controlled ad. and it was sane. >> here he goes negative. i want to respond to in new ad here. it's a new ad. the donald trump campaign calls clinton unfit for the presidency. they're both calling each other these words. let's watch. >> decades of lies, cover-ups, and scandal have finally caught up with hillary clinton. hillary clinton is under fbi investigation again, after her e-mails were found on pervert anthony weiner's laptop. think about that. america's most sensitive secrets, unlawfully sent, received, and exposed by hillary clinton, her staff, and anthony weiner. hillary cannot lead a nation while crippled by a criminal investigation. hillary clinton, unfit to serve. >> so much for the high road of trump. that is a totally negative ad. >> and it's a mistake. >> real? >> at this point, i think it's over the top. it's almost -- >> you mean, it only --
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>> it's obscene. >> it only reaches the people who already hate her. >> right. it reaches those people. >> go ahead, robert, your thoughts? that is a very tough ad. >> so i think, when i see that ad, i just got back from milwaukee, and when you talk to -- when i talked to people in the milwaukee suburbs, these republicans, traditional, ron johnson, paul ryan republicans, they're still skittish about trump at this late stage. an ad like that speaks to them and says, this election isn't about trump, it's about secretary clinton. it's about turning out republicans against her, rather than getting people convinced about him. >> and that's easier to sell to them. jerry, this idea that republicans -- i don't want to say this, because i like her, but i do see the problems people have with her in some cases. >> of course. >> but they hate her. and that seems to be the one ringing bell for republicans. don't you hate hillary? vote for trump. >> well, we're talking about ads. and political advertising can only speak to the perceptions that people have in their minds.
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they're not thinking about anthony weiner. she does have drawbacks and -- >> well, calling him a pervert, what's the point of that in the ad against hillary? hillary's not a pervert. the word's a little -- >> yeah. i think trump's overreaching there. >> yeah. and the one that he had on before was a good ad, because it was the higher road and still -- >> yeah, we've talked many times. you've got a guy elected president by presenting him as he really is. >> that's right. >> jimmy carter. >> thank you so much, both of you. up next, the "hardball" roundtable will be here to talk about the issue of race. it has peeked its nose into the issue of race. it's back on the front pages in thanks, in part, do i have to say these words together? david duke. the former kkk leader who's running for the senate in louisiana. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics.
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yeah, i'm the bad guy, because i defend the people of this country that made this country great. gave us a constitution and our freedom. and we're losing our rights in america. anybody who stands up for this country tells the truth, what's happening to our country. we're losing our country. anybody who does that is going to be a target of the media, just like donald trump. it is time we stand up now. this is the tipping point. we're getting outnumbered and outvoted in our own nation. lest we stand up now, our children have no future. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was louisiana senate candidate, former grand wizard of the kkk and ardent donald trump supporter. i'm not sure trump wants him, but he is, david duke last night in his senate debate. the debate was held at the historically black dillard university and met with fierce protests from students outside the debate hall, some of whom clashed with police when they tried to enter the auditorium. let's watch.
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>> well, duke has embraced trump, and that may be a lock of death. much of his nationalistic message, as well, but so has the kk. "the crusader," official newspaper of the klan, officially endorsed trump this week under the banner, make america great again. trump rejected the endorsement. mr. trump and the campaign denounces hate in any form. this is repulsive. the issue has stirred up the 2016 campaign. earlier in the week in greenville, mississippi, a predominantly african-american church was badly burned with the words "vote trump" spray painted on the side of the building. investigators have concluded that the fire was caused by arson. let's bring in the "hardball" roundtable, andrew sullivan a contributing editor of "new
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york" magazine, michelle bernard, and john fieri. first of all, let's dismiss the credibility in any way of david duke. first of all, i understand nationalism. but how do you exclude african-americans from nationalism? african-americans were here before most of us. it's like 95% of europeans that are african-americans here! >> and built. >> they are the nationals -- >> this country was built -- >> you mean for 250 years, work without pay? is that what you mean? >> exactly! this country was built on the back of african-americans. so you cannot exclude us, like our story is inherently the story of america. it is -- it is so frightening, this election is so terrifying, because you know, there was a time when people might have these thoughts, but they didn't voice them. you know, look how long it took donald trump to -- i mean, he's denounced "the crusader" or whatever the name of the newspaper is, but look how long it took to denounce support of him, david duke, early on. >> shouldn't he have done it lickety-split, when he heard --
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he said he never heard of david duke. >> and then blamed it on a hearing problem with his mike. >> the fundamental truth about this election is it's marking the moment where america becomes a majority/minority country. >> it's a reaction to that? >> it's a reaction to this across the western world. we're in a fascist moment here, and that is the huge force behind this -- >> why would whites, as they become an actual minority, why would they become fascist? >> because they're defending what they think -- first of all, they don't believe they have any choice in this. that the massive demographic shift, which is not actually about african-americans, it's mainly about latinos -- >> i know it is. the african-american percentage in this culture is about where it's been since we were born. it hasn't changed much. yeah, but we have had a massive demographic change in terms of brown people and black people and the future. and that's happening also in europe. and the reaction is, we don't want this country and we didn't choose it. this is why immigration is so central. because they believe, adios america, to use the other fascist ann coulter's term.
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they believe that america is ending, their identity is ending. and that is why trump is going to win this election -- >> do you believe this? turning to the right, hard-right, alt-right. >> and we're going to see more of this. there's going to be racial conflict every day. >> i think there's an element of it within trump support. i think you see it through twitter. >> are they anti-democratic or accept the fact of a minority -- >> i don't think they think enough to think about anti-democracy. i think they think something's wrong in the country and they want to fix it and trump is appealing because he says he's going to fix it. >> by the way, reasonable immigration control is not anti-anything. every country in the world has some limits on immigration. you don't just open the door. by the way, the democrats and republicans have failed to resolve the issue of finding an enforceable, american progressive solution to immigration pb and enforce it. and you don't hear many people talk like that. >> look, the nation is a nation of immigrants. i read somewhere that the election of barack obama eight years ago scared white people so bad that his election actually
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gave rise to donald trump. and i don't know -- you know, it's -- >> -- get re-elected. >> absolutely, he was re-elected. and i question it, because white people voted him in. however, one of the things we've seen, we all talked in 2008, you and i were on the set saying, and i said, we are now going to live in a post-racial america. i was completely wrong. the racism has become -- ovoter racism has become -- >> hope is good, do you remember the poster? >> hope is good. but when we watch the news every day and we see all of the fear that african-americans have of the police -- >> the police shootings. >> exactly. and islam is the other critical factor that has galvanized this. it's the gasoline on the fire. the fear that aliens are coming into our country and trump has deliberately fostered in a way that only the fascists of the '30s have fostered the notion that these people are coming to kill you and attack you and rape you. >> here's hillary clinton today,
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the foermer secretary of state, slammed trump over the kkk. she's making him pay for this. here she is. >> donald trump was endorsed by the official newspaper of the coku klux klan. they wrote their endorsement under the slogan of his campaign, "make america great again." they said it's about preserving white identity and they place their faith and he in him. you've got to ask yourself, do any of us, any of us who believe in our constitution, who believe in the rule of law, who believe that we are stronger together, who believe that we want to keep moving positively toward the vision of freedom and equality, set forth by our founders, do any of us have a place in trump's america? it's not just about communities of color. that is not who america is and we're not going to let it ever
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go back to that. >> anyway, i'm not sure that that works in terms of uniting the country. it certainly may unite the 50% that vote for hillary, though. do you think if the moderate liberals like her get back in power for four many years, they'll get less angry on the ethnic front? who's going to solve the problem? >> i don't think the problem is going to get solved anytime soon. i think it's going to get worse. the rhetoric has been so heated that no matter who was elected, particularly if it's a republican congress, they are going to -- members of congress are going to be expected to fulfill what donald trump promised them. and the left is partly responsible. the left has promoted identity politics for a generation. they've said all that matters is what you are, whether you're a latino, whether you're black. and now, white people are saying, well, we can play that game, too. and that's what's fueling trump -- >> did you watch "snl" two weeks ago, when the white guy played by tom hanks gave the same answers to keenan morgan on black jeopardy was the name of
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the skit and ended up talking just like a dissatisfied african-american, like, oh, i don't believe the system either. so there is a commonality between the working class white guy and the african-american working glass guy that should be addressed politically. politicians should be able to address both groups on the same issues, i think. anyway, the traib is sticking with us and up next these three will tell me something i don't want know. i really believe we could have a bobby kennedy-type government, where you can address both groups. we'll see. it's not a banner that goes on a wall. it's not something you do now and then. or when it's convenient. it's using state-of-the-art simulators to better prepare for any situation. it's giving offshore teams onshore support. and it's empowering anyone to stop a job if something doesn't seem right. at bp, safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better.
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congratulations. of course, to chicago cubs. they broke the 108-year drought last night to win the world series. and interview with espn, actor bill murray, a huge cubs fan, managed to mix politics into the celebration. let's take a look. >> i don't know what to compare -- there's nothing to compare it to, really. i mean, when john candy was elected president, catholics thought everything will change completely. it didn't. we got a day off from school. >> got a day off from school. irish american there. and nothing more american than baseball. wait. data just changed... now she's into disc sports. ah, no she's not. since when? since now. she's into tai chi. she found disc sports too stressful. hold on. let me ask you this... what's she gonna like six months from now? who do we have on aerial karate?
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because we're here, we're here, and we've got your back. legalzoom. legal help is here. we're back with "hard ball." i fear what's coming. an cr andrew? >> trump is probably on course to win the election. it pains me terribly to say that. this election since the comey intervention has become a
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referendum on the clintons. if it's referendum on them, they lose. >> michelle? can't top that baby. >> that's pretty depressing. david duke, a dillard university last night. in the midst of students chanting, no duke, no kkk, no fascist usa. david duke literally called the black lives matter movement radical, went on and on about jews trying to defend his statements and then called for the electric chair for hillary clinton for her role in what he considers to be a huge, huge debacle in syria. electric chair. >> i don't think you win the election. go ahead. >> the leader who's expertly guided the republins in a difficult situation is pouring $12 million out of his superpac to save the senate for the republicans. and i think he's going to -- >> who's getting the money? >> rubio, toomey, ayotte and blount. >> that's interesting and matter, that kind of money at
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election diary thursday, november 3rd, 2016. thursday before election is usually my time to make a prediction. i have a simple method. look at the matchup right now, check the wipd direction and project tuesday. clearly hillary clinton has a few points ahead right now, she is ahead. that's the easy part. wind direction and velocity.
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there's the problem. is it still in trump's direction as it's been last friday or did hillary change it back to his personal conduct over the years? i watched the seventh game of the world series and here's what happened and why i think it's happening for hillary clinton right now. the cubs got into the lead, they had the bats. and then raja davis hit a three-run homer in the eighth to tie up the game. for cleveland. that's when trump did with the fbi report last friday. tied it up. i still think the cubs, hillary in this case, has the bats. she's still out there hammering trump with the personal stuff. forget the talk of high road. she is hitting him where he's bleeding. none of this is -- remember bernie saying remember the damned e-mails. she pounds and keeps pounding a weakness. she knows the game. bernie didn't. you have to tell the troops that you want to win more than they do or they wonder who's leading the army in the first place so either it's not overtime and
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just feels that way. hillary isn't she from chicago? she's got the bats. i'm still looking at her. and that's "hard ball" for now. thank you for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight -- >> stay on point, donald. stay on point. >> an unprecedented escalation five days out. >> the fbi agents say their investigation is likely to yield an endimt. >> the republican nominee marshalling lies and law enforcement leaks to attempt a comeback. tonight, the state of the race and new reporting on how the trump campaign is using the fbi to try to win the white house. >> we got a couple things up our sleeve. >> then, as duke debates -- >> watch what's happening to mr. trump. >> the president escalates. >> if you accept the support of klan sim


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