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outcomes. the polls forecast that clinton's party will indeed be the more festive, which begs the question, just how will donald trump cope with the biggest public loss of his career? joining me now is the man who had the inside scoop of trump long before this election spectacle, long-time journalist and ghost writer for "art of the deal." not really ghost writer, writer writer. >> that's what they say. >> winning is everything to donald trump. how would he cope with a loss this public and this spectacular? >> i think it's going to have an unbelievably hard time managing it. i think he's going to look for -- this is for sure. he's going to look for every possible way to blame other people for this loss and to gin up whatever kind of protest -- i hope not violence but whatever kind of reaction he possibly
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can. >> this is from october 30th. it's a weird thing for a candidate to say. it's what he said on october 3rd about what it would mean if he was to lose. take a listen. >> to me it's an honor. i tell you, if we lose i will say it was the greatest waste of time, energy and money of my lifetime. okay? forget going down in the history books. we're going to win. i think we're going to win. >> what is that? >> a reason not to vote for him. come on, that's insane. can you imagine that you're a, quote, public service running for the highest office of the land and it's going to be a waste of money if you lose? if shows you the narrowness of his vision and the self-absorption, the idea that this is some personal waste of time. i mean, it's just astonishing. >> you know, he doesn't seem to
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have gotten there in his mind. i'm not sure if he has or not, on whether or not the reality of his situation has sunk in. he does have a professional pollster who apparently he hasn't paid about three quarters of a million. but this guy is a decent pollster who has got to have told him where he is. but this is donald trump actually today. you have to say you're going to win. this is trump doing it. >> in three days we are going to win the great state of florida and we are going to win back the white house. some of the polls are great. i don't really acknowledge them if i'm winning so don't worry. and by the way, we're winning in a lot of polls. >> he only acknowledges if he's winning. >> i thought it was one of the most telling comments of the campaign. that's who he is. in other words i will not be deterred by reality, i will lie,
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deceive and avoid in any way i can if it isn't what i want. and i do believe, you know, i rarely believe there's a difference between the outer trump and inner trump, but here there is. he knows he's going to lose and he is certainly doing everything in his power to adrenalize himself so he doesn't feel that right now but there is a part of him that is already in soum is rocked by this. the moment it happens, it's going to be not like air coming out of a balloon but like being blown out. >> can you imagine of him writing or doing a concession speech? >> he's not going to write a concession speech. i doubt even hillary will write
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her own concession speech. but the thing is he's not going to concede. short of a victory by clinton of 300-plus electoral volts and 6, 7, 8%, trump is going to fight this outcome for a significant period of time. he's going to look to make it fraudulent. that's a way of throwing off responsibility for the fact that he lost. >> there have been a couple of pieces that have been interesting about where he's choosing to hold his election night event. he's not going to trump property or a luxury hotel. not to cast aspersions on the hilton but it is not a five star hotel. >> you'd think he'd be selling his brand. i don't really get it. i'm dumbfounded. one time i don't have something to say about it. it's a strange thing even from a business perspective because
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he's got a brand under a lot of pressure. had he comes out of this and tries to bring that brand back, he's going to have a heck of a time, sickly since the people who can most afford his brand, as i'm sure others have said, are peek who are not voting for him. i think the hardest thing will be the shift that occurs where because of his sort of bluster and he wasn't saying these kind of things he said during the campaign, he's always been able to mingle with those whose respect he wants most. he's not going to be able to do this anymore. this man is persona non-grata amongst the people who are supporting him. >> in is truly an example of
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projection. we've seen projection throughout this campaign. i've talked to you about it. this is donald trump going after the rapper jay-z on, of all things, language. >> i actually like jay-z but, you know, the language last nice, oh. oh. i was thinking maybe i'll just try it, should i use that language? can you imagine if i said that? and hillary said i did not like donald trump's lewd language. my lewd language. i'll tell you what, i never said what he said in my life. >> but he did say that he bragged about grabbing women by their private parts, which no rapper i've ever heard of has ever said, even in the theatricality of hip hop. >> his tendency or capacity for projection, for seeing in other people exactly what is true of
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himself is without match. i think throughout his campaign, it would be wonderful to see a reporter go back over his tweets and look at any time he's been critical of someone, could you draw and build into a book a biography of donald trump and i would argue you could. >> like bushisms. >> except he's inflicting them on other people when in fact he's describing himself. that's a good way to get to know donald trump. whatever bad things he says about others, that's his opinion of himself. >> you did see him off camera. i wondered if there's any dark knight on the soul of donald trump, not only on brand but on
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the destruction of the brand for his children. they make a living on his name. do you think he has that moment where he can be introspective on what he's done to himself? >> the dark knight of a soul, it requires a soul. there's not just a lack of introspection, there's a terror at introspection. if you look inside and you see nothing, that's pretty unacceptable. so he will do anything to avoid that. and were he to do it, it would be the darkest of all dark nights because there's nothing there. >> wow. that is sad actually. it's sad and it's scary that someone like that could get this close to being president. >> not many people understand it. but even his supporters will be
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the subject of that terror should he be elected. but, joy, he won't be. >> yeah. wow. tough stuff. i hope you do write another book about this. tony swartz, it's always a pleasure to talk to you, always fascinating. >> thank you. >> and coming up, the story of a "playboy" model who said she had an affair with donald trump and was paid a lot to tell about that only to have it get quashed. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting every part of it. so while the world keeps searching for healthier we're here to make healthier happen. [vo] all customers who have changes been impacted right.
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up knyou know it's a strang election when a story about a candidate for president, a "playboy" model and the allegation of an affair.
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the owner of the enquirer, american media, said it was not buying the woman's story but rather paying her for fitness columns, magazine covers and exclusive rights to any relationship with a married man. it says "ami have not killed stories -- paid people to kill damaging stories." dana millbank is the only man on our panel so we're going to torment him for about seven minutes. in a normal year, normal cycle, democratic strategists would have a field day with a story like this.
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i think gary hart, who just had a woman sit on his lap and his cam pan wpaign was over. you think of john edwards because the enquirer caught him having an affair. what has happened to the universe? >> that's like the question of the election. what is happening? there are like a hundred stories in this campaign that would have ended anyone else's career. i guess trump was right when he said he could go out on fifth avenue and shoot someone and supporters would still stick with him. to be fair, i don't think anyone thought from the beginning that donald trump was a role model in terms of his personal virtue, obviously he had had an affair in the past. but the other piece of this, this is a story about rigged
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media and the boys looking out for the boys. you have the executive producer of "the apprentice." we have not scratched the surface on this guy and his romantic life and his financial connection and his bess dealius dealings and his taxes and we don't really know anything about him still. >> and a lot of people looking out for their boy are the christian leaders of the right. has this not, post at least among the leadership of the christian right a hearne hypocrisy? because this is a man who does not respect the bonds of marriage. >> just backing up for a second,
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if you had told us in 2012 in the romney campaign that the "national enquirer" was offering their endorsement, you might have said, that's nol really -- not really an endorsement we're going to pursue. i do think this has exposed incredible hypocrisy in the christian right. i got my start working for pat robertson in 1988, helping my sister out when she was running his cam pan in michigan. we really believed that these people believed in morality and had a higher standard and they really have damaged, i think, not only the republican party and the republican brand, but they really have damaged their faith and as representatives of a faith that is supposed to believe in morals and values and sort of living a good and decent life. going out there and attaching
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their name to somebody like donald trump, i do think has damaged him and they're going to have somebody more to answer to than just the american voters. >> dana, it interesting that the kbroup that h group that has been the most steadfast in opposing donald trump have been the leaders of the mormon church. you've seen evan mcmullen, who is mormon himself be attacked viciously for his faith by supposed christian who support donald trump. it's sheering away any pretense these religious values have anything to do with people's politics. >> you have seen that from mormons, you've seen it from mike lee, from the utah governor, from jeff flake very notably in arizona. this probably has been a particularly proud moment for the consistency of the mormon church and others are indeed in
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a difficult spot when you are backing a candidate who has the rare combination of the endorsement of both the national enquirer and the official newspaper of the ku klux klan. this does not happen in every presidential cycle. we're all writing about tawdry stuff? turns out now they've got to go buy and kill stories or at least hold until november 9th. >> and then the wall street journal has an actual page -- a story about the national enquirer. they've dragged in the wall street journal, too! >> and the wall street journal is more or less conservative. i really have to take a step back and say where was the opposition research during the primary? jeb bush had a war chest. he must be banging his head against the window. joy, i will not forget the last
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week of august i was on with chuck and we counted -- there was a segment that we did, 12 headlines, joy, that would have basically eliminated any other candidate and it was everything from the fact that his foundation did not actually donate money to anybody that, he had not relest lease his tax returns, there were rooms are and all of a sudden be nobody touched him? i don't believe it. >> you did -- it's not as if these opponents didn't have money. you had ted cruz, his father accused by donald trump of killing john f. kennedy, yet he didn't respond with opposition research. why didn't the others find stuff
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like this during the primary? >> i think they really aren't trying. all of them made the calculation if they could get against donald trump in a head-to-head matchup that they could win. so they weren't really focusing on donald trump until it was too late. i think if they had done that kind of work very early on and certainly the kind of money that the bush super pac had, they were in a position that they could done it but it want part of their strategy. i can't say that i wouldn't have agreed with very early on. nobody could have really anticipated how this played out in the primaries. but it takes time to dig this stuff up. it doesn't just sprout up on its own. >> during the primary, the hole point was to get into these one-on-ones. in ted cruz's case, his idea was to drap right until the end.
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>> and even now that we know some these stories, they the. >> on the khan family, on women in general with the "access hollywood" tape. >> "access hollywood" has damaged him without a doubt. >> to that point, this number in the last block we talked about this, 28% sort of theory that target smart put out that 28% of republicans were going for hillary clinton, which when i heard that number, i didn't believe it. i just wanted to ask you about it. could it be possible that maybe
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it's republican women? >> i think it might be both republican women and cubans voting for the very first time on top of the pickett for hillary clinton and going back to rube rube. he is within of the sweet hearts within the cuban establishment. >> and dana we can look at stories look this that are tabloids and had nothing to do with what the established republicans were running. >> i don't buy that, joy. i think there was absolute malpractice in that republican primary, failing to get into things like this and had there been one mainstream alternative,
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i think that perniceily would have within. who in this country would be surprised to discover and be shocked by the facts in this roar. the story that broke yesterday was on the a.p. and finding out sflrnlt and the thing that launched his campaign is true about his own wife. and we'll be back. thank you to my guests. after the break, a trump surrogate compares -- listen to this. he compares donald trump to the
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if donald trump gets elected as president of the united states, to me it's going to mean he's the best this evening to ho the black community since martin luther king jr. >> clark also said that trump is winning 20% of african-american voters, according to "a poll," very authoritative. i want my panel to weigh in. joining the fun and festivities, jonathan capehart. he says, "look, if donald trump gets elected as president of the united states, his appeal to the black community is going to mean, to me anyway, is going to
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mean he's the best thing to happen to the black community since dr. martin luther king jr." >> wow! other than child, please! come on, come on! what were you going to say, cor corinne? e i've got nothing. >> this is the guy the got the endorsement of the kkk newspaper. >> not -- trump. >> just to take this on a little serious note here, donald trump has taken this on the alt-right, which has given the rebirth to the kkk, put that into his
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campaign, normalized it and made it part of one of our two parties, right? this is the guy that we're talking about who now is saying he's going to get 20% -- >> david clark. >> it sort of makes me wonder. i keep looking at david clark, i've been fascinated with him since the republican convention. i wonder, does he think he's white? this is the man who tweeted, "it's pitch forks and torches time." was he asking for violence against people like him? >> and he has a badge and a gun? >> and gets elected in milwaukee as a democrat over and over and over again because people aren't thinking down ballot. a poll is a really powerful determiner of who is going to win elections, a poll. this is the ugov poll from "the
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economist." 83 clinton, trump 4. nbc news/wall street journal -- >> that is a multiple of 20. abc news/marist, clinton 99%, trump, 2. >> i have some interesting stats. i've been trying to figure out who these people at. some of the interesting stats i look at it, it appears donald trump is going after the same part of the black electorate that richard nixon did.
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these are like real studies. they're saying most of these people are men, working class to lower middle class, above the age of 35, feel that hillary clinton is the enemy because of her husband's policies on the crime bill and they do not -- they believe that financial success is tied to hard work, which everyone believes that and everyone understands that. so they also apparently like this hyper masculinity tone of donald trump. but it's pretty interesting because if this is the same part of the electorate that liked richard nixon, we have to remember richard nixon is the first president to institute affirmative action in federal government contracting. he endorsed the equal rights amendment. donald trump would never do that. >> his administration sued those who wouldn't rent to black applicants. >> i know some who are open
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minded about donald trump the day he came down the escalator like, huh, that's an interesting idea. but over the course of the last, how long has it been, 35 years? over the course of the last months, year and a half, most of those people have come off of that. i don't man very many people who would be inclined to vote for this republican. >> a lot of people quite frankly, conservatives who are for donald trump don't trust "the washington post." if you write that donald trump was sued for housing discrimination or if he said that blacks were inherently lazy or don't want black people counting their money, they're in the kind of media that maybe black people don't go to. >> this goes to the larger issue of trust, that there is no longer any trust in any of the
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institutions that used to make sure people understood this is real, this is factual, this is what you should pay attention to. so "the washington post," the "new york times," the wall street journal, we could do all the reporting in the world, my colleague at the "washington post" has been doing amazing reporting, just totally debunking donald trump's assertion that he is this great philanthropist and not with spooky polls a hearsay but calling individual organizations and asking the question, have you got i don't know any money? no, you haven't. have you gotten any money? yes, we have, $12. and laying it out there. the people that support donald trump look at that stuff and they doesn't believe it, they doesn't trust it. it's because overall they don't trust the media. so as much as we can put out -- >> or government. >> or anything. >> one other thing, too, i've noticed when i hear people talk who support donald trump, they say, oh, he doesn't mean
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anything that he says. they're like he's not going to do that. he's not going to build a wall. he's not going to ban muslims. that's just part of his personality. and they also say he's going to bring smart people into his administration. >> like rudy giuliani? so here's my question. i joke about giuliani because i lived here when he was mayor and black people despise him. >> absolutely. >> sheriff david clark, who represents an institution that black lives matter is actively -- is a sheriff, a former mayor who still promotes stop and frisk, someone who is actively negative toward african-americans, why is donald trump using these people to sell african-americans on his candidacy? >> there's fantastic reporting on this in "the atlantic." i hate to draw the parallel but it's there.
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looks like after 60s, after the kennedys the country saw a backlash against no more civil rights legislation whatsoever. like nixon, trump is invoking this image of i'm going to be the strong law and order candidate and it the same thing dave clark has done. the thing that is really dangerous about this in a very perverse way, these african-americans that support donald trump feel the same way about the country as the uneducated or -- people with a high school degree or lower that support donald trump. they feel i country has completely forgot about them, they have no voice, government has done nothing to make their life better. >> even the democratic party does not do as well a job as it needs to going into these communities and actually having a message about the real problems they face and real
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solutions to solve those problems. both parties have to take a wake-up call from the bernie sanders voters and donald trump voters that we ain't doing something right. >> there's a piece in the "new york times" magazine out tomorrow, i can't remember the name of the author saying if there's one positive thing to come out of the trump campaign, it's that he's focused in on the fact that democrats or government in particular, hasn't done what it's promised it would do for the african-american community. so it's not unreasonable for the african-americans when donald trump says what the hell do you have to hoz to at least give it an ear but realize you have a whole lot to lose. >> the thing that donald trump has done is to tap in fear and taken that and twisted it around into something really hateful and ugly. bernie sanders was the populist, he talked about inequality. he really moved millennials, as
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we know. defendant just kind of hammered home this fear and ugliness and ran with it. >> it's not just fear in my opinion. i feel like racism has become so much more fapowerful and overt since president obama was a elected. by saying get rid of all this pc language, he's given people permission to be racist. >> we are out of time. if donald trump had come out when he first started running for president and stuck to a message that was just trade and economics, trade and jobs, would he have had a shot at getting some of the african-american vote? yes or no? >> yes. >> yes, until all the tapes came out talking about grabbing things and women -- >> some of it. >> black women would not stand for it.
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>> remember, the black community, we love our churches. >> sheriff david clark is an elected official, if you've not happy in the way he's represented you, you a choice in the democratic primary in 2018. thank you very much, jamal simmons, nice to see you. and up next, we'll have our final thoughts on campaign 2016. that's it! stay with us. it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. daddy! lets play! sorry kids.
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she expanded her lead tonight, clinton now getting her strongest support yet. >> hold on. nbc just called it. >> nbc news is declaring hillary clinton the presumptive democrat being nominee. >> the next president of the united states! >> late this afternoon the clinton campaign released a new mini documentary called "the story of us." it it gives us a look inside the campaign from the moment clinton announced her bid for the white house in april of 2015 all the way through this ever surprising kind of depressing and terrifying election cycle. and of course it includes some choice trump moments. >> a man whose presidential candidacy was greeted as a joke when he announced it. >> i alone can fix it.
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>> i don't like mosquitoes! >> lobong, bing, bing, bing. >> i tweet! >> bing, bing, bong, bong, bong, bing, bing, bing. what does that mean? you see how destressing it is for us to laugh about this election in everyone in our lives is texting us. have i have 83 texts going, oh, my god, is donald trump going to win? do i need to move to canada? no, you don't need to move to canada. what was the sort of key moment in the campaign? michelle. >> i've got two key moments. i got when donald trump gave his speech letting us know that he was running and why he was running and referred to mexicans as rapists. that was the first one. but i think the major turning point was p-gate as i now call
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it, that "access hollywood" tape woke women who was sort of waffling about who they wanted to vote for. they got a very scary glimpse. but what we have seen during this election cycle, a lot of americans have been able to divorce themselves and just look at individual interests and when women saw how he feels about women. i think it personalized it and turned a lot of women voters around. >> but the time, the convention, i think that was such an amazing moment and it was that first
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time that the hillary clinton campaign put out and basic baited him, and it continued with the debate. with alicia machado, it came out with the way she really executed her debate skills and continued to give him just like morsals and he would take it. and you saw him taking bait after bait. from the debate itself, then finally the p-gate. that was the final stamp, that was it. >> really. >> you cannot forget it. it's impossible. >> it's the words, i mean it sticks with you. i have to say, the one thing i'm so glad about is that my daughter is so young that i don't have to explain to her what is going on in this election cycle. and for parents who have kids
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who are watching commercials and understand everything, i don't know how i would do it. and so that is the only saving grace for me is that my 2 1/2-year-old does not yet understand what is going on. >> sadly, my 8-year-old, i don't have to explain anything to her because she totally got it. she watches the news, she watched the debates. >> she's also really 35. >> she should probably be on the panel right now. i'm not sure what she would have to say. >> mine is 11 going on 15. >> mine is a little bit different. i really think the moment when he stood on the stage at the rnc and said i alone can fix the problems, he immediate the frame of this election all about him and the force of his personality. so that opens up the door for saying, well, wait a second, buddy, you got a lot of character issues here in terms
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of the way you treat basically any kind of person you feel has more power and position then. if he had been trade, china, immigration, if he had been on those issues from the start, i think he would have won, i don't think it would have been close. but because he made it about himself and his own personal qualities, there's no way people are going to go for that. >> he just couldn't help it. >> because that's the way he was. >> that should have been the turning point, when was he born? 17 years ago ". >> the fact that i alone can fix it, and doesn't put any kind of apparatus behind it to make that true. he doesn't really have the ground game. but corrin, your turning points, i have the turning points right there. i would say rather than a turning point, looking back on this campaign, i think we're going to look at the tactic.
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what was the one tactic that hillary clinton used that worked? and i liken her to a farmer. taking the seeds, you saw this especially during the debate. taking the seeds, if you listen to words, she was using certain words, and throughout all three debates, sprinkling the field. i felt like, what is she doing? what is she doing? and then invariably, he would send out a detaitweet, say some in a campaign speech, and there on the stage, you're such a nasty woman. or it would explode in a tweet. hillary clinton mentions elisha machado. nobody had heard about that, a week of that. >> and you can't help but go back on tv and say, but she did gain a lot of weight.
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go to gingrich town to defend him. >> and one last point, remember when hillary clinton went off the campaign trail for five days, leading up to that last debate. she i don't think was prepping in terms of policies, sister girl's got that down. what i think she was doing psychological debate prep to get to him. >> i have said from day one, hillary clinton has not gotten credit for all of her mohammed ali strategy. >> you have all mentioned turning points about donald trump. but i would argue that the alicia machado, that first debate, it's where you saw her skill as a debater, you saw her preparation, you saw her ability to go in for the kill, and you saw that she knew exactly what
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to do psychologically. >> when we look back, who said the launch of his campaign? right, because that is when he lost hispanics, we see the world went for that now. when he lost women, when it expose the right, the republican party expose them in a way, i don't know if they're going to be able to come back. this has been a great panel. and that does it for me today. and i'll be back here tomorrow morning. a special edition of "all in with chris hayes."
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good evening from new york. donald trump about to take the stage in indiana. i can't believe it, but we are just now three days from election day. and there have been already more than 40,000 votes already cast. national polls show clinton with a three-point lead in this final weekend. of course it all comes down to the electoral college. if you count

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