tv Morning Joe MSNBC November 9, 2016 3:00am-6:01am PST
that does it for us on this wednesday morning. i'm morning. >> "morning joe" is live next with the latest on all of the election results. >> i'm not running for some americans but for all americans. >> our country doesn't win anymore. we're going to start winning again. >> when there are no ceilings, the sky's the limit. >> we will make america great again. >> don't let anyone tell you that our country is weak. we're not. >> in this race, i am the law and order candidate. >> don't believe anyone who says i, alone, can fix it. >> what do you have to lose by
trying something new? i will fix it. >> what a dramatic evening this has been. a nail biter and then suddenly everything turned donald trump's way. >> i just received a call from secretary clinton. she congratulated us. it's about us. on our victory. i pledge to every citizen of our land that i will be president for all americans, and i promise you that i will not let you down. i love this country. thank you. >> and what a night. this morning, nbc news projects donald trump, the president-elect of the united states. >> at this hour, trump has 278 electoral votes to hillary clinton's 218. he told the crowd at his election night headquarters in new york that he had received a call from hillary clinton conceding the election. according to kellyanne conway,
president obama has called as well. >> going into election day, he had a narrow path to victory and he threaded the needle with wins in must-have states like north carolina, florida, ohio, pennsylvania, even wisconsin. at this hour, arizona, new hampshire, minnesota and michigan have yet to be called. >> it was historic wave unlike anything we've seen since ronald reagan's republican revolution in 1980. this is now donald trump's revolution. it's just as shocking to the elites and the political class in 2016 as it was when reagan was swept into office 36 years ago. >> how the night unfolded was just as head spinning as was the final result. after the national polls showed hillary clinton with leads including a 71.4 chance of victory from 538 there was still the matter of voting as joe tweeted yesterday afternoon. people want to know how the election is going. here's what i know. nobody knows anything.
we actually have to wait until the people vote. >> some thought the early exit polling was pointing to a big clinton win. it was really similar to what analysts thought about john kerry in 2004, but last night at 5:30 most of the people that saw the exit polls thought that she would win five of the six battleground states. most experts predicted florida to be safe in the clinton column. but at 7:00 p.m., as results began to trickle in, it became apparent that florida eventually would become the first domino to fall for trump. >> this thing is really going to start moving fast coming up at 7:00 eastern time. >> we are about to get our first detail on literally within the next 30 seconds. >> the state of florida. we have as too close to call. we had north carolina too early. we're now in too close. >> silence from the clinton campaign until 8:55 p.m. when they put out a picture from
months ago of hillary clinton hugging a young girl on the campaign trail writing "this team has so much to be proud of. whatever happens tonight, thank you for everything." >> then more announcements and reliably blue states that chilled clinton supporters. >> michigan too close to call. wisconsin too early to call. >> there's been a pretty dramatic shift in the conversation that's going on with the people that i have been talking to all night. there are a lot of democrats who are nervous about what's happening particularly in florida. they are seeing such high vote rates for trump that they are starting to wonder what does that mean for pennsylvania? what does that mean for michigan. >> nobody predicted this. >> it worries me about michigan. we're getting to the point here several paths to 270 but we're getting to the point where some of them are getting cut off. >> in the state of iowa, our call for right now is too close to call. in the state of nevada, our call
for this hour is too close to call. too close to call states, florida of the battlegrounds, pennsylvania, ohio, georgia, michigan. all of these too close to call. north carolina. >> a silence began to set in among those who expected a clinton win. "the new york times" headline announced as race tightened, news anchors seemed as stunned as anyone. you could hear some anchors audibly sighing on the air in disbelief or maybe even disdain. then big states began falling. >> we have a major call. it is ohio. donald trump, the projected winner. we have a projection. donald trump is being awarded
north carolina. >> whoa. >> the apparent winner, donald trump. in the state of florida, 29 electoral votes. utah, trump. six electoral votes. the projected winner in utah. here we go. 222-209. up with another one. trump wins iowa. georgia, one of the earliest to close. one of the latest to be called. donald trump the projected victor there. >> confidence in the polls and cli and how many read the american electorate. at 11:49 p.m., mike murphy tweeted i believed in data for 30 years in politics and data died tonight. i could not have been more wrong about this election. >> and then the faces.
the faces filled clinton headquarters at midnight beneath a glass ceiling in manhattan near the hudson river, symbolic glass ceiling where they had once scheduled fireworks, the spectacle replaced by people leaving in tears. a short distance away at the hilton hotel in midtown, the trump victory party began to transform into a celebration as the math moved against hillary clinton. >> pennsylvania, steve. >> the last time i talked about this, hillary clinton had a lead. seems like a long time ago. trump is sitting at advantage in wisconsin that's approaching 100,000 votes. big development in pennsylvania. donald trump's lead here just jumped up in the last minute. he now leads hillary clinton in pennsylvania. look at this. by 26,000 votes. remember, we said this has been the white whale for republicans since 1988. it really seems like for hillary clinton if there's any kind of a path here, it's some sort of rust belt miracle down in p.a.
down in michigan. down in wisconsin. somehow with very few votes left. got to win all three of them. >> clinton headquarters campaign chairman john podesta came out to address supporters and told them to go home that they wouldn't hear from the democratic nominee that night. 40 minutes later the bulletin became ficial. >> secretary clinton has conceded to donald trump. this concession took place in a phone call. we are awaiting donald trump taking the stage here. that is the news at this hour. >> sorry to keep you waiting. complicated business. complicated. >> and we expect to hear from secretary clinton today so here we are. live from historic studio 8h in rockefeller center. joining joe, willie and me, we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. the managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin and john
heilemann. joe, willie, where are you? >> willie is over there. >> my god. what a night. >> a complete earthquake. this was an earthquake unlike any earthquake i've really seen since ronald reagan in 1980. it came out of nowhere. nobody expected. pennsylvania. republicans haven't won it since '88. wisconsin, republicans haven't won it since '84. i can just tell you as a republican, we don't do well in senate races in blue states in presidential year elections. something happened last night that will forever shake up the coalitions that make up the republican and democratic party. >> there have been many, many historic astounding shocking moments over the course of this campaign involving donald trump starting with him entering the race on the escalator and him winning a debate and taking lead in the polls and winning a primary gaining the nomination.
none more shocking to me that secretary clinton called donald trump to concede the election. we sat here 12 hours ago and looked at an electoral map that seemed impossible. we said he would have to win every one of the tradition tossup states. florida, ohio, north carolina, iowa. he took care of that. not only would he have to do that, he would have to flip states republicans don't win. wisconsin, first time republicans once that since 1984. pennsylvania, first time since '88. vote is out in minnesota where a republican hasn't won since 1972. >> i think that's symbolic. a lot of people mocked donald trump for going to minnesota this past weekend. just like they mocked the operation. as you know, the trump campaign started telling people two weeks ago they could win in michigan. obviously ronald reagan, one of his chief assets, was being underestimated. the campaign organization and specifically the data operation that kushner was running for his
father in law caught everybody by surprise. >> i'm hoping kellyanne conway opens up her polling operation. she says their polling showed all this. i spent last friday at trump tower talking to kellyanne conway and to jason miller, the communications director, the deputy campaign manager, they all big smiles on their face. we're winning. all of them said we're winning. i said are you ahead? they said we're winning. i thought they have to bluff this. i talked to them last night. same thing. our data showed us winning. data may not be dead. bad data should be bedead. >> even last night when we had early exit polls showing trump losing five of six states. you call over there. you talk to the campaign team. completely placid. jared kushner told me at 6:30, i know what the exit polls say. i'm looking at our numbers. jared said we're going to win michigan. we're going to be competitive in
wisconsin. we're looking good in minnesota. and he said, we're going to win florida. >> they were really measured. you talked to donald himself. he was incredibly measured. john heilemann, over the past week, i have to say you kept talking about the path. joe kept talking about there is a path. there is a path. he would write it out for people. and i don't know if anyone saw it. it was almost as if it was like he was being mocked. did anybody see this path? >> a few people did. a couple people sitting around this table did. you know, i went out talking about joe and mark who have been talking about this for a while, i think one of the things when we're shooting last week i was in los angeles and sat down with four of the smartest people i know in politics. two democrats, two republicans. all four of them basically said i don't see the path. fred was the only one who left it open. all four of them said -- three
said the race no chance, no way donald trump could win. fred davis said there's a 1 in 100 chance that donald trump could win. those four guys, again, across party, smart guys. have all run or been associated with presidential candidates over 30 years. >> you know l.a. you're from l.a. we did have the reverse bradley effect. people would not admit they were voting for donald trump because they watch tv every day and everybody every day said trump was a racist. i ask this question, if that's on tv all day and somebody calls you up and says who are you voting for, you don't say donald trump. >> there will be an incredible long deep rorous autopsy done on the polling that pervaded this campaign. public polling and clinton's campaign own data way was wrong in a lot of ways. one of the most powerful examples of this is something that was very persuasive to
people including me. hillary clinton had a vast lead for six months with white college educated voters. a big lead with white college educated men. when the numbers came in last night, she still won but they were vastly shrunken. >> much smaller. that's the group you're talking about. >> there's the bradley effect right there, mike. i can't tell you how many professionals mika and i spoke to over the past year that in a crowd setting would not admit they were voting for donald trump but they would take us to the side after the meeting or after the speech or after the lunch and they would say i'm voting for him. i'm just sick and tired of this. i'm voting for him. i think john is onto great point here. it is the college educated whites that were not going to admit that to polite society. >> i'll say one thing to make sure this is clear. she ended up winning white college women by only six and she lost white college men, which she had been leading by
for a dozen months so it's a huge turnaround in this particular segment which is why people thought trump could not win. >> the very people who would not admit to polite society they were voting for donald trump. >> a reverse bradley effect in some quarters. no doubt about that. i think in the country at large there was no reverse bradley effect. it was just people who were going to vote for donald trump no matter what, no matter what he said. no matter what he did. no matter how he behaved. they were determined to vote for donald trump, and they were ignored. they were ignored by pollsters. they were ignored by the media. they showed up yesterday in astounding numbers. a wave of people across the country. i think it rendered both political parties in this moment irrelevant. >> let's be very, very clear here. willie, this was not the democratic party that got caught
napping. this was the democratic party in washington and this was the republican party in washington. this shocked both political parties. it is much of a threat to the republican establishment that has run washington, d.c. for the past 30 years as it is for the democratic party establishment who now really has a civil war on their hand. a political battle. >> we called donald trump many months ago a middle finger to the establishment in this country, to us in the media and his voters gave the big middle finger last night. i'll give you to your point in iowa. 2008 among white men, barack obama tied. he won the state. he tied among white men. last night according to our exit polls, donald trump won white men by 31 points there. a spread of 30 points in eight years. >> in iowa. by the way, that's a state that republicans have just grown used to losing. i had joe benenson on the other
day so said we have lost iowa five out of six times by 30 plus points. >> another example. in the state of pennsylvania, hillary clinton actually outperformed barack obama of 2012 in the philly suburbs. we saw those polls over the last few weeks saying she's crushing him in the suburbs. that spells doom in pennsylvania. the turnout among white men among rural white voters in the rest of pennsylvania was so large that it offset a performance by hillary clinton that was better than obama's in 2012 in the suburbs. >> you know what i just remembered with the numbers you told me? vice president joe biden telling us your good friend joe biden telling us back in cleveland -- back in philadelphia at the democratic convention we have got to reconnect with white m working class voters or it's going to cost us. that's something ed rendell warned democrats about two days
ago. they saw this coming. >> the three of us, mark, you and i, were talking just yesterday morning at quarter of 6:00 in the morning yesterday about how pennsylvania on sunday. the vice president in pennsylvania in harrisburg, in scranton. large crowds. fairly large crowds. and you just got the sense that while they loved joe biden and loved listening to joe biden and heard his message, they were quite reluctant about the top of the ticket. >> let's just say it right now. joe biden -- i saw a poll. joe biden's approval rating in scranton, pennsylvania, 57%. hillary clinton's in scranton, pennsylvania, 23%. the wrong democratic may have ran. >> talk about the donkey in the room. we all have respect for secretary clinton. of tally right now, donald trump has fewer votes than mitt romney got when mitt romney lost. secretary clinton never gave people a reason to vote.
>> the server mattered. the server mattered. >> whenever i went to a trump event, they loved trump and his message and didn't like hillary clinton to say the least. at a clinton event, they didn't like donald trump but too many people did not have enthusiasm. >> this is what kasie hunt said last week and generals fight the last battle and lose. i was so educated by 2012. barack obama running a joyless campaign having terrible debate performances, having dead crowds, and thinking maybe romney wins, right? well, this year it actually did matter. the crowds did matter. like trump had said all along, we all mocked him, kasie hunt on the show last week said i go to these clinton rallies. it doesn't sound like the rally of somebody who is about to get elected. >> you heard murmurs for months that secretary clinton was underperforming with the members of the obama coalition.
it really turned out to be manifestly true yesterday that she -- mark's really important point, donald trump did not wildly outperform. in some ways underperformed mitt romney in terms of the number of votes he got across the country. she just did not get anything like the kind of support from this new coalition that barack obama seemed to have built for the party over the course of the last two cycles. willie's example is more atypical in iowa whe she did as well as barack obama with any given segment. she was not the candidate who could excite and energize the members of this new extended coalition. millennial voters did not pull it off. african-american voters did not pull it out. even with hispanic voters, donald trump ended up performing as well as mitt romney with hispanics last night. unfathomable given the things that he said.
>> the thing is -- >> that goes to her. >> i'll talk about the elephant in the room here, willie. everything that he's talked about. everything that we've all talked about, they could have seen it coming. you know, the media was all in on this narrative. it was just everybody was marching in lock step. clinton is going to win. clinton is going to win. early voting came out. i was doing those 270 to win maps. i immediately looked at early voting and i moved north carolina and florida over to trump. you would have thought i hung a nazi flag in front of my house. everybody was talking about florida is in the bag. i kept looking at the numbers. i kept thinking i know this state. i know north florida. but every single analyst said there was no way trump was going to win in florida. >> no credible person has a clue as to how he has a path is what we were told repeatedly.
willie? >> last night he took the stage as the president-elect of the united states, an image that many folks in the united states never thought they would see. this is more of donald trump in the early morning hours. >> to every citizen of our land that i will be president for all americans, and this is so important to me. for those who have chosen not to support me in the past, which there were a few people, i'm reaching out to you for your guidance and your help so that we can work together and unify our great country. ours was not a campaign but rather an incredible and great movement made up ofillions of hard working men and women who love their country and want a better, brighter future for
themselves and for their family. it's a movement comprised of americans from all races, religions, backgrounds and beliefs who want and expect our government to serve the people and serve the people it will. it's been what they call an historic event but to be real historic, we have to do a great job. and i promise you that i will not let you down. we will do a great job. we will do a great job. i look very much forward to being your president and hopefully at the end of two years or three years or four years or maybe even eight years, you will say so many of you worked so hard for us but you will say that was something that
you were really very proud to do and i can -- thank you very much. i can only say that while the campaign is over, our work on this movement is now really just begiing. [ applause ] >> really measured. >> wow. >> he was. now the country has to contend with something it didn't think it would have to contend with. a donald trump presidency. will there be a wall? will there be mass deportation? will muslims be banned from this country? questions that need to be taken seria seriously now that he's the president-elect of the united states. >> mike, willie said nobody expected that. very few people in mainstream media. very few people in washington expected that. especially even into the evening, the early exit polls came out. the word just spread like wildfire. this was going to be a massive clinton victory.
and i actually tweeted at the time -- because there was a funny tweet. reminder early exit polls are bad but final exit polls are bad. i said just ask president kerry. talk about how last night at 7:00 when everybody saw those exit polls and were sure hillary clinton was sweeping to a landslide, talk about how that paralleled 2004 so much. >> quite a parallel to 2004 with the exit polls that came in encouraging for senator kerry's candidacy. by 9:00, they were still quite encouraging and a couple of individual states were really encouraging to the point where barb shrum who is a very killed operative, one of the best in the country, went to john kerry and in senator kerry's room said let be me the first to shake your hand, mr. president.
that was at about quarter past 9:00 on that evening, election day 2004. last night, i was speaking to someone in the clinton campaign at about 9:30, they were still very encouraged by exit polling that they were getting from michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. pennsylvania will rock you to your shoes. >> we have a lot ahead. mike barnicle, one question for you. do i get a truck now? >> i can't afford it now. >> do i get a truck now? still ahead on "morning joe," we're going to speak with donald trump's campaign manager kellyanne conway. plus, senator rand paul who won his race for re-election last night after clashing with trump in the presidential primary. also -- >> and the senate races were -- >> we haven't even gotten there. >> so surprising. >> it was a stunning night. congressman chris collins who was the first member of congress to endorse the republican candidate and later historian
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go. >> by the way, i think actually the person that trump needs to be talking to it president-elect trump is theresa may who is forging a new conservatism over there. i asked you a question a couple weeks ago when everybody said this race was over. i said everybody is saying this race is over. you've lived in london forever. you know everybody that matters in london. how many people the night before brexit thought that brexit was going to end up the way it did? >> in london everyone went to bed that night thinking this is never going to happen. britain is never going to leave the european union. even members of the leave campaign didn't think britain was going to leave the european union. >> i ask you the same question now. how many of your friends thought that donald trump would win? >> you're right. the same mood of shock i think is pervading the united states this morning as is pervaded britain after brexit vote. the difference in polls in britain got it right.
the polls here got it wrong. the financial markets in both places got it totally wrong. we looked to the markets here. the wall street rebounded when it looked like hillary was going to do well. dollar was strong. now what's happened? it's just -- we've got to look very carefully at our numbers in both cases. >> there is when it comes to reading the electorate, we can't say there's such thing as smart fun anymore, can we? there is such a disconnect from this populist movement that's rising across the west. western europe and the united states. and they can't predict what's going to happen. >> no. the financial markets take their cue -- they're not political experts. they take their cue from polls and what people on shows like this say and they form a view and their view was very similar to the view of many of the so-called experts which was that hillary clinton was going to win handedly so you saw this enormous reaction in the market when things started to go the
other way. >> at what point did people inside the clinton camp realize that things were just getting out of their control? >> i think it was well into the evening because john podesta did go down to the javits center to what people said was a very upbeat speech. i think it took a while for this all really to sink in. early exit polls were much different than the way this turned out. >> global markets are facing heavy losses this morning following donald trump's victory last night. in the u.s. dow futures fell as much as 800 points overnight but since bounced back somewhat from that low. at one point the cme which runs futures contracts took steps to prevent the nasdaq and s&p from trading below their pre-market lows. in japan, the nikkei suffered its biggest loss since the brexit vote shedding as much as
1,000 points by the time trading ended the index had lost more than 5% of its value. european markets are in the red during morning trading. london briefly crossed into positive territory. >> so we wanted tom to come here from real clear politics because yesterday afternoon i also tweeted nobody can say that there's not somebody out there predicting this is going to be a tight race because tom and people at real clear politics basically predicted a tie. nobody else came close. >> there was a lot of questions last night, tom, about polling in general. i mean, the assumptions we were making at 6:00 last night totally fell apart by 9:00 last night. what happened? let me just ask you pointblank as someone that looks closely at these polls. why were they so wrong? >> the evidence was there if you looked at it and saw it for what it was. polls showed trump ahead in florida and north carolina. >> "the new york times" upshot
had trump actually up four points the week before. >> polls in new hampshire the same thing. the last poll thal we put in for michigan had trump ahead and pennsylvania had trump ahead by a single point. the evidence was there that there was something going on. we talked about how in 2012 our national average had obama at less than one point and overperformed by three points. there was the possibility that there could be overperformance or underperformance by roughly that amount. that's kind of what we saw in a lot of these battleground states. trump overperformed his numbers. so, look, there were some poll failures. wisconsin even the marquette poll which is gold standard of that state missed it and missed badly. there were indications. we talked yesterday on the set. i mentioned this des moines register poll in iowa. he won iowa by nine. >> what i was telling people is you don't win iowa by seven points and not have an impact in
wisconsin, in michigan, in ohio, in pennsylvania. that's one thing we know about that region. if you are winning by that much of a margin in iowa, okay, maybe you can't transfer that over to nevada but you certainly can transfer it to wisconsin. >> exactly. and that's one of the things. usually, right, the states sort of move in conjunction with each other. you're not going to lose florida by five points and win pennsylvania by ten. it just doesn't work that way. given the makeup of these states. to your point, joe, wisconsin was a little bit of a different story. that's a state that fell hard for obama in '08 and '12 but prior to that was really close in 2000 and 2004. and tracked really, really closely with iowa. they moved almost together in tandem for the previous four, five cycles. >> what we found out was barack obama for the democrats was a one off. just like donald trump was a one off. there probably won't be another barack obama just like republicans searched 30 years for another ronald reagan.
never showed up. >> hillary clinton certainly didn't turn out the obama coalition the way they had to to win millennials, african-americans, latinos, who we said donald trump did better than mitt romney among latinos. president-elect trump will deal with a republican house and senate. both house and senate remain in republican control after that party racked up big wins across the country last night. democrats hold 45 seats compared to republicans 51. democrats picked up one seat in illinois after congresswoman tammy duckworth ousted mark kirk. in nevada, catherine cortez mast ro masto defeated joe heck. and marco rubio defeated patrick murphy. >> you see so many trends in florida. marco overperformed. trump wins. and as you go through these states, it happened time and time again in the swing states.
>> see those numbers come in wisconsin. that's going in a different direction. in missouri, roy blunt fighting off a challenge from jason can kander. jo ron johnson held onto his seat. and todd young topped evan bayh. pat toomey won re-election after a tight race though katie mcginty led in most polls going in. and kelly ayotte and maggie hassan too close to call and richard burr pulled out a win defeating deborah ross. >> this is what i love about new hampshire. they are just cranky. i love new hampshire voters because you go up there and they're just, like, right in your face. wave? what wave? we're going to give this to
hillary and other than new hampshire, the rest of these states, you had republicans in wisconsin, in ohio, in pennsylvania, again, just for people at home, in a presidential election year where republicans always get slaughtered. last night for me that was almost as unthinkable and unprecedented as what donald trump did. >> absolutely. absolutely. if you talked to people in the senate, democratic leadership, right up until 7:00 last night they would have said no way russ feingold loses. no way katie mcginty loses. new hampshire was always going to be a fight. i think the strong view among democrats is we'll be at least at 50. we'll have tim kaine in the chair. that gives us 51. maybe at 52. maybe we'll be at 53. nobody imagined. >> i thought there was a path
forward for donald trump all along. i never thought there was a path for ron johnson and pat toomey and all of these guys to win at the same time. >> joe, you said something interesting about how maybe we'll look back and say barack obama was a one off. perhaps we should have seen signs of that in what's happened to the democratic party in state legislatures during the course of his presidency. they've been decimated. worst number of seats in the house since world war ii. number of legislators that lost their jobs, 860 or something. >> let's underline this for a second. barack obama will go down, i believe, as the -- i don't know exactly how to say it. worst president that presided over more democrats losing than any democratic in the history of this country. 2010, record setting losses for
democrats. 2014, record setting losses for democrats. 2016, republicans holding on and worse yet for democrats, it's democrats that were up. >> we may look back and say barack obama was very good at getting barack obama elected but he wasn't very good at getting his party members elected and certainly wasn't good at getting hillary clinton elected. >> the president-elect just tweeted. he's got his phone. before reading this, my daughter's texts keep popping up. one, wtf. the other i don't understand what happened. trump tweeting such a beautiful and important evening. the forgotten man and woman will never be forgotten again. we will all come together as never before. >> let me tell you, tom, that may sound like pie in the sky, but remarkable thing happened last week. michael moore and i agreed.
we did. we have been sort of like lobbying -- michael moore and i agreed. yesterday al franken came on. i totally agreed with him. working class americans keep falling further and further behind while those of us that live in the bubble keep living better and better lives. this really is a moment that both parties need to unify for their own political purposes. democrats have to reconnect with working class americans and republicans have to followthrough. >> you sound like bernie sanders. >> by the way, bernie sanders -- by the way, this revolution in 2016 that we've experienced, it was bernie sanders and it was donald trump. >> the craziest race that any of us have ever seen culminated in probably one of the biggest, if not the biggest upset in political history, and it is a realigning election. if you go look, both parties are
going to have to grapple with what happened last night and it's going to take some serious soul searching for both parties, republican party now is led by a man who, you know, is a protecti protectionist. he's thumbed his nose at 40 years of republican orthodoxy. >> and has made it known he wants the speaker of the house out. i don't know if that's the case now. it certainly was two weeks before the election. >> if i could make one more point on the senate, which was really remarkable, we heard a lot of talk about how we were going to see ticket splitting. people voting for hillary clinton, voting for -- didn't happen. it was all republicans. and the republicans who donald trump pulled most of these folks across the finish line. only one he loss was joe heck in nevada who disavowed donald trump after the "access hollywood" tape came off. roy blunt, ron johnson, all folks benefited from donald
trump. >> thank you. coming up, how president trump -- >> has anybody slept? anybody slept? >> heading to the train. going to sleep on the train home. not yet. >> nobody has. >> couple minutes. was it a dream? did it happen last night. >> it happened. >> i'm teasing here about how esident trump will lead america. think about that. how president trump will lead america on the world stage. president on the council on foreign relations richard haass joins the conversation. this is a huge story. >> as big for the world as it is for america. >> seismic. >> harold ford jr. here on set. "morning joe" coming right back. he gets a lot of compliments.
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>> all right. joining us now, msnbc political analyst and professor at the university of michigan school of public policy, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. and the president of the council on foreign relations richard haass. >> richard, a year and a half ago you said wherever you went in the world, whatever continent you were on, they all ask the same question, which was is this trump thing real? it is real. what's the impact going to be from all of the places you go to see? >> what have you heard from people around the world? >> overseas people have heard thing in this campaign particularly from mr. trump they haven't heard before from an american president. one of his real challenges if not opportunities, is can he reassure the people? they feel vulnerable. just like at home, he's got to deal with the divisions. overseas today his real challenge is to begin the
process of reassurance. >> that reassurance also needs to begin at home for donald trump if he wants to bring people together. if you're a muslim american this morning, you're probably scared. if you're an hispanic american this morning, you probably wonder what your future is looking like. if you're a black american, you wonder what this means as far as policing goes and the balance between safety and civil rights. what does donald trump need to do to reassure the people who this morning are waking up feeling like they don't know what country they live in anymore. >> he needs to really say that, okay, now that i've won this election, i now am going to be president of america and seek policies that bring people together because exit polls show there was a stark divide of how americans saw their futures and how americans really thought that what the policy should be. i think he's really going to have to reassure african-americans and muslims and latino voters that i'm not going to come after you and your
family. i won't racially profile you. my department of justice is going to protect your civil rights just like president obama's department of justice did. it's going to be a tall order. there are a lot of people who frankly don't trust him yet. i think he's going to have to build that trust. >> harold, i remember sitting on the set with you a couple weeks ago and some of the discussion was happening and some other people on the show were saying when she wins, when she wins, you said let's stop talking about this race in past tense. >> at joey's wedding back in july, i can now say this, harold ford, while everybody else said -- can i say this, harold ford -- we're sitting around at joey's wedding in july and everybody was laughing at trump. harold ford said, guys, he's going to win. and everybody laughed at harold. he said, no. he's going to win. just last week he said watch out for michigan. >> you talked about michigan last week. hillary clinton had a generation of get out the vote. she had the entire democratic
establishment with her. she had a popular president, first lady, vice president out stumping for her. bernie sanders out to recruit the millennial vote. what happened? >> i think -- you said it this morning on the set already. i think the campaign itself there were some shortcomings and holes there. an overconfidence leading into the very end. we're where we are. i think to -- he got off to a positive start with the speech. as crazy as this, western europe's politics have changed over the last 12 to 18 months. you saw in south america they rejected war and now they come to us. this is a rebuke of big and small institutions across the board. it's rebuke of polling, of media organizations, big and small particularly the large ones. i think everyone has to take a
step back and not only has to hope he does a lot of things he laid out but we've got to listen in a way we have not listened because sanders effect on the democratic side was equally powerful, which has been remarked about on this show. had there been another candidate in this race that appealed to african-american voters particularly across the south, secretary clinton could have been in bigger trouble and if sanders held his own ground it could have been a different outcome. a lot of looking under the hood that has to take place. you talked about this thing throughout this. one of the things in fairness to you guys you talked about trump early on was a realization that something strange and weird was happening. >> it's not like we agreed with him on everything but we agreed with the possibility that we could see something palpable happening. >> he just knew how to connect with people in a way no one has since ronald reagan. donald trump watches this show a good bit. he's probably asleep right now. >> no. >> then again, he doesn't sleep. so chances are good he's watching the show right now.
what does president-elect trump need to do today? what would be the first phone call you would have him back today to assure an ally? >> first of all, i would start domestically. think about people across the aisle you want to reach out to. we've got to deal with dysfunctiondi dysfunctionalty of american politics. deal with america's most important allies. israel you would add to that list. reassure your allies who historically have worked with us and had faith in us that that faith is respected and taken care of. >> up next, a man who reminds us to wait until people actually vote. tom brokaw joins us next on "morning joe."
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>> this was tough. this was tough. this political stuff is nasty and it's tough. we're going to get to work immediately for the american people. and we're going to be doing a job that hopefully you will be so proud of your president, you'll be so proud. again, it's my honor. amazing evening. it's been amazing two-year period. and i love this country. thank you. thank you very much. >> it is the top of the hour and the united states has chosen a new president and his name is donald j. trump. the republican candidate with no elected experience. none. a campaign built on massive
rallies, social media, and a message of national renewal. beat hillary clinton in commanding fashion. people are stunned this morning. the billionaire businessman picked off state after state after state redesigning the map. including the hard fought battleground of florida, north carolina, pennsylvania. he swept deep through the rust belt winning ohio, wisconsin, and shocking the system in michigan where he's leading in total votes though it's still too close to call. in the end it was too much for hillary clinton's candidacy whose victories in the contested states of virginia and colorado were simply not enough to counter her rival. as of this moment, clinton narrowly leads trump in the popular vote by 22,000 votes and just before 3:00 in the morning, out stepped donald trump to address the faithful at his campaign headquarters right here in new york city.
>> i've just received a call from secretary clinton. she congratulated us, it's about us, on our victory, and i congratulated her and her family on a very, very hard fought campaign. i mean, she fought very hard. hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time, and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country. i mean that very sincerely. i want to tell the world community that while he will always put america's interest first, we will deal fairly with everyone. with everyone.
all people and all other nations. we will seek common ground, not hostility. partnership, not conflict. >> we expect to hear from secretary clinton today. president-elect trump tweeting this morning such a beautiful and important evening. the forgottenman and woman will never be forgotten again. we will all come together as never before. and welcome back to "morning joe" live from historic studio 8-h in rockefeller center. joining us now, nbc news special correspondent tom brokaw and chair of african-american studies at princeton university and columnist for "time" magazine eddie glaude jr. and harold ford jr. back with us. >> tom, people said trump didn't have a path and we reminded them yesterday morning when someone was talking about historic significance about how tonight we were electing the first woman
president, i said tom brokaw basically took a cold shoulder back in 2008 when everybody said that hillary clinton was going to get crushed in new hampshire and said let's wait for the people to vote. same thing happened over the past month. nobody wanted to wait to hear what the people had to say. >> you know, as you know i also say ufo theory. unforeseeable will occur. i'll put it in a hall of fame all of its own. like everyone else, i was beginning to buy into the idea that she was going to win this. yesterday morning. stop and think about this. organizations like this around the country were talking about how can the republican party possibly repair ielf after this election? they're going to lose the presidency. they may lose the house as well as the senate. 24 hours later the question is how can the democratic party repair itself. >> the republican party that we
heard and we on this set what we may have seen the trump phenomenon coming, we thought he would hurt senate candidates and possibly house candidates. if they didn't pick a side. you have to pick trump. rob portman wins by double digits. on and on and on. you're right, the republican party is at a stronger position now than any time since 1928. 24 hours ago, like you said, everyone was saying how are they going to repair themselves? >> we're operating in a different universe all together. the one you grew up in as a politician and one i grew up in as a journalist, it's a digital world now. 24/7 cable television. you have access to all news radio all the time. that has changed the universe. that was a very gracious speech he made last night. it was heartening to her him talk about i want to bring the country together, and i want to do something about public works right away. at the same time he left a trail of comments about women
especially. those wounds are going to have to be healed. i mean, i have two teenage and little older granddaughters who are very upset by his attitude toward women that they heard during the campaign. they can't believe that the country then is going to make him the president of the united states. now, they'll get over that at some point, i hope, by his behavior and how he addresses that. these are issues that have to be resolved. most of all, we have to think about our role in all of this and listening to the public and what they have to say. i've been all over the country in the last five weeks or so. rocky mountain west, california, great plains, montana and in the south. i heard a lot of people saying i don't know what to do. i don't like her at all. we knew there was a lot of that. i'm not sure i can vote for him. my guess is that a lot of people were holding that end. they didn't want to go public with the idea they wanted donald trump to come in and completely
upset the conventional politics of this country. they had good reason to be angry. >> we were talking about the white college educated voters that where trump outperformed the very people, if there were to be a reverse bradley effect where you would expect it from. >> this is the white vote coming out in a way nobody saw it coming out. i'll point to the statistic from the state of iowa where donald trump won comfortably. barack obama won twice. among white men, barack obama tied in 2008. this time around by 31 points donald trump won white men in iowa. if you just look at the map, they said he would have to pull an inside straight. he'll have to win all of those tossup states. florida, iowa, north carolina. he did it. even with those, he still can't win, people said. he's going to have to steal wisconsin. a republican hasn't won there since 1984. we'll have to win pennsylvania.
she's going to win that. republican hasn't won there since 1988. he won both of those and by the way, minnesota and michigan are still in play. >> the minnesota thing just stuns me quite honestly. it really does. what we've got to get beyond, travel politics. this has been tribal warfare. democrats going after hispanics and african-american voters and people who are not part of the mainstream. white voters striking back against that saying we don't want to give up our place and i think that one of his biggest jobs is to try to heal this country by pulling those groups together and those of us in this business have a role in that as well to be examiners. >> joe, do you think if joe biden had run, we would be in this situation if he had been the democratic nominee? >> no. i think joe biden would have won pennsylvania and wisconsin. donald trump is every bit as unique politically as far as skills go as ronald reagan or barack obama in his own way.
so you don't want to just say biden would have beaten donald trump. donald trump would have needed another path. those white working class voters in wisconsin would have split in a way they didn't split last night. in pennsylvania they would have split. in ohio they would have split. so donald trump would have had to find another path. >> donald trump was improbable. harold ford jr., eddie, in some ways wasn't the democratic nominee impossibly flawed in ways that maybe mattered more than we were able to see? >> maybe it was all about hillary clinton. somebody that you said on tv you couldn't vote for. >> i think part of what we've seen is a substantive judgment about business as usual. and i think we saw this in the primary. i made the point on this show that the primary was a battle over the soul of the democratic party. and that battle wasn't concluded when hillary clinton was the nominee.
some will say it wasn't fair. wikileaks suggested it wasn't. but it seems to me that that battle continued on into the main election. but i want to say this. what's happened can't be seen simply as a result of clinton being a bad candidate. what i mean by that is this. we were talking about the base of donald trump's support where the white high school educated working class men and what we saw last night wasn't white working class high school educated men. we saw republicans across the spectrum sweep. took the whole deck. >> you're exactly right. by the way, again, when i say this about hillary clinton, it wasn't just again donald trump was just as pat buchanan would say, a great political athlete going up against somebody who was a terrible political athlete but you're onto a bigger truth.
this wasn't just a rejection of hillary clinton. this was a rejection of a corporate centered democratic party that you've been warning about for a long time. republicans are a corporate centered party as well but i always said on my side you give somebody a chance to vote for a real democratic or a republican pretending to be a democratic, they'll vote for the real democratic every time. the opposite is true as well. >> i want to make this point real quickly. that joins with a deep sense of racial anxiety and racial anguish. across the board white america has just elected to my mind an ill informed racist who by any standard is morally and ethically bankrupt. they just elected that person. i want to understand. i have to confront my son. people are having to raise their children or having to deal with their children at the breakfast table. what does it mean for our
children to have to be -- >> just so you understand, when you talk to your son that if hillary clinton had won, there would have been other people in iowa who said how do i explain to my son or daughter that someone who should be in prison is now going to the white house? >> we find ourselves in this moment. 1961 james baldwin who i cited on this show before wrote wonderful essay entitled "the difficult road before martin luther king jr. 1961. witnesses the end of white america as we know it. the question is how long and how expensive will the funeral be? we are still trying to bury that idea and last night we saw at least one last effort to put it on life support. >> the power of our country to push reset button every four years and sometimes every eight if you have a president is
astonishing. eight years ago we sat on this set and we remarked about how going forward every person had and any person with a young child, young daughter, young male in their home can say you can be whatever you want because barack obama is president. in fact, there would be kids who grown up only known an african-american president. i agree with a lot of what eddie has said but there's an anxiety and economic anxiety that's so strong. i am not convinced -- if you didn't have this mess aage and y to discredit political parties which republicans have the same problem, donald trump was a third-party candidate in the republican race and bernie was the same thing on our side. the question is how do these parties react going forward? this is i think a moment that will take a while to fully understand it. as we try to understand it, we've got to hope that the message he conveyed last night and the tone he being donald trump being president will continue to do that and shows consistency and able to sustain that tone for the foreseeable
future. >> we've got a statement handed to us from the white house. then we'll get to these exit polls which could help explain some of it. the president phoned donald trump to congratulate him on his victory early this morning. he also called secretary clinton and expressed admiration for the strong campaign she waged throughout the country. we'll be reading more of that throughout the morning. nbc news exit polling shows the nation is deeply divided over the direction of the country. 45% of voters nationwide think the next president should either continue obama's policies or move policies in a more liberal direction. 47% want a more conservative direction. 62% of the voters say the nation is currently on the wrong track compared to 52% who said the nation was on the wrong track in 2012 exit polling. right now 69% of voters are dissatisfied or angry at the way the federal government is working and on the president's signature piece of legislation, the affordable care act, 47% of
voters nationwide said it went too far. these voters broke overwhelmingly for trump. 82% compared to 13%. >> willie, we can talk about race. we can talk about wall street. we can talk about a lot of different issues. but the unforeseen incident along with comey and one that actually hit americans especially in swing states in the pocketbook the most was news a week and a half ago, two weeks ago that obamacare premiums went up on average 25% and much more in these other states. that's not something thinking can i vote for this person? that's somebody saying i'm hurting. >> wasn't it bill clinton who said it was the craziest -- >> bill clinton himself saying it was the craziest thing he ever heard of. >> that story underplayed in the last 24 hours. i remember talking after the "access hollywood" tape came out and it felt like the sky was
falling and said you know what's more important than "access hollywood" tape is the price and hike of premiums in obamacare. that's something that's going to hit people in their pockets where they live. >> i would suggest that's much more important than the race factor. i'm not dismissing the race factor or diminishing it in any way. i think there is far too much racial tension on both sides of the line by the way. at the same time, there are real reasons to be very unhappy with the federal government and how it operates and how separated it is where people live and work. that has been a big issue that we've known about for a couple years now. people are beginning to rise to strike back at that. >> we'll continue this conversation but we've had kellyanne conway waiting for us. donald trump's campaign manager is with us now. kellyanne, we begin by congratulating you on making history last night. it was -- anybody just as an observer of politics -- >> nothing short of remarkable. >> let's talk first of all, how
did it happen and more importantly, how does donald trump move forward and bring this country together? >> joe, thank you. thank you, mika, for the congratulations. i'm very happy that president-elect trump started the victory speech last night saying he liked -- >> that's the first time you've been at a loss for words. >> that's right. it's so exciting. >> even you have to be shocked by what happened last night. dret the degree of it. >> we saw it coming for a few weeks. people had conclusions in search of evidence and believed if everybody said the same thing somehow it becomes true. what we tried to do here was listen to the people. and not reflect our own opinions onto them. i think this is a real victory for the people, joe. the forgotten man and forgotten woman. they would come out tens of thousands of them at rallies. people would say rallies don't matter. they came out by the millions to
the polls. i think they really believe he'll be their voice. i'm so happy last night that after secretary clinton called mr. trump and he took to the stage that he really talked about unifying and healing the country. and being "president" of all americans and that includes those that didn't vote for him. your point about obamacare is precisely right. i lived through the 2010 and 2014 midterm elections where obamacare was really the best issue that helped republicans win the majorities in both of those off-year elections. we always knew come october people would click on their computers or opening their mailboxes and getting notices of increased premiums and for a lot of americans and small business owners, it's been a really tough road for them. they have to choose between other consumables, other crushing parts of every-day affordability and their health insurance. i was surprised -- i thought secretary clinton had come up with a really good plan where
she either owned obamacare or went toward bernie sanders view, she would have been better than waging a negative campaign. >> i understand the president has invited the president-elect, trump, to meet him at the white house tomorrow on november 10th to start updating him on the transition. tell us what that phone call was like with president obama and the conversation with hillary clinton. can you give us any insight? >> sure. so we went over to the hilton as we had planned to after 2:00 a.m. our intention was to do what we had done throughout the night which is to watch returns and wait for the races to be called and the remaining states and eventually to announce the next president-elect of the united states. and as we were getting ready to do that backstage, my phone rang. i handed it to mr. trump. he had a very gracious, very warm conversation with secretary clinton. it lasted about a minute. and they commended each other for a hard fought campaign. i heard his end of it where he told her she's tough and smart.
things that he has said many times before. i know she congratulated him on his victory. he took to the stage. gave a speech. fabulous, tremendous speech frankly and later on in the wee hours of the night he and president obama had a conversation. mr. trump looks forward to getting down to washington and meeting with president obama who we know will continue to be a leader as the nation comes together. >> kellyanne, i knew your mentor who was one of the geniuses behind ronald reagan. he always did forensic polling. he knew in advance about where it was likely to go. did you know going into the last 48 hours that the buildup for donald trump for your candidate was as great as we saw realized on that map last night? did it take hold in a way that maybe even surprised you? >> well, tom, we saw it percolating antidotally. we saw the intensity of his voters. they're not just being polite and passive. we knew that they would be there
for him on election day. the enthusiasm and the momentum mattered. if you can quantify it in polling, it came into questions where we would match up people that say they want to take the country in a new and different direction and match them up with folks with unfavorable opinion of hillary clinton but also were undecided. we would try to figure out what issues would really motivate them to complete the deal. you know, if you go to his rallies, i know many people say rallies don't matter. they do. if you stood in line for five hours just to be there and to be part of this movement and you feel like you are a card carrying member of this movement, of course you're going to show up and vote and get other people to do that. the other thing i would just say about the polling is i said on the show before, maybe i said it monday when i was on, people just aren't modelling the electorate carefully. they are presuming that passes p if you voted for democratic, you
will do that in the future. they make up their own minds not just with people they never met on tv telling them to do. >> that's another thing that jared kershner said a couple days ago. he said they're looking at an old model. these pollsters are looking at a 2012 model. jared said this last week. he said they don't realize the entire world has changed. they saw -- >> and still changing at warped speed every day. >> they saw what no pollster saw that was paid millions and millions dollars to take these polls. >> there was a reason they were in michigan. there's a reason hillary clinton sent the president of the united states on monday. it wasn't to shore up a state they had. it's a state they were fighting for. >> they were mocked for going to minnesota. >> kellyanne, i would add my congratulations to you and donald trump this morning. people are going to be scrutinizing the things donald has said now that he's president-elect. one thing he said in the october 9th debate is he would appoint a
special prosecutor to look into hillary clinton. he went on to say you would be in jail if i were president. is he still looking at a special prosecutor for hillary clinton? >> we did not discuss that last night since his victory and he didn't address it with mrs. clinton on the phone. >> i understand that. but he did say it on a national debate stage. is that something he's still going to look at doing now that he is president-elect? >> i would need to discuss that with him. i think you heard his own words last night to the extent that one man can as president and vice president pence who is phenomenal, they're looking to unify the country. we haven't discussed that in recent days. i think that it's all in good time. we also -- i think that donald trump proved too that even amidst a corrupt and rigged system where people are forgotten and don't feel like they can get a fair shot, they can rise up on election day and express their voice. that's really the best way to beat the establishment.
best way to beat the elites is to come out in this equalizing fashion, show them who is boss. i have to tell you something for those of us on tv or in politics or all of the above, there are just a lot more of them than us. and if i could take one thing away from this and one small piece of unsolicited advice for all of us for everyone, got to listen to the people. listen less to each other and listen to the people. they have incredible stories. there's a great essential goodness in america. people are wise. they care about each other and they care about this country. he tapped into that the whole time he was being criticized and dumped on frankly by everyone. he was listening to the people. >> he really did listen to how people feel and tap into it. like the strategy or not. >> kellyanne, harold ford. good morning. my congratulations to you and your campaign. it was talked about this morning by joe and richard haass. i was curious has the president-elect reached out to foreign leaders or vice versa
have foreign leaders reached out to him since last night? >> one or two may have last night. i expect that those calls will continue to come. it seems pretty standard. he certainly will welcome those calls. i know you heard him last night as the world did say that he will always -- he said to the world community, i will always put america first, but i will be fair. and he very much looks forward to america's role in the world. you know, there are many voters out ere that we heard from frankly that are disappointed. they always feel like maybe america doesn't always go first or things could be done differently. we know he's on record as saying he's going to make a centerpiece of presidency defeating radical islamic terrorism. we don't think of them as our determined enemies as they were described in a convention speech in july. we think of them as savage murderers on the advance that must be stopped. he'll entertain those calls. i suspect they'll continue to come. the first world leader he'll
meet with is president barack obama. >> kellyanne, before we go, a lot of people say that when you came onboard the campaign was turned around. that this is a lot of you this result here today. up until yesterday i would see you on television. you came on our show and you called donald trump your client. today you call him your candidate. are you glad about what you've done? are you proud of the work you've done? >> mika, i'm so proud of this team. it's a great team. we're a small team. we're very loyal to each other and very tight. it's a very gritty team. we had just a few months to go and i call it my semester abroad. we just had a few months to go. >> i remember you saying that. >> gritty determination and focus. when you have fewer resources and fewer people, you're forced to really be focused and to work together very cohesively because i feel mr. trump can make good
on his promises to the american people. he's really going to be a phenomenal president. i absolutely believe it. i think that people have for years have thirsted for somebody outside of politics to shake up politics and they finally got their wish. >> kellyanne conway, congratulations. >> appreciate it. >> tom, i think you and i may be the only people old enough to remember 1980 and more specifically the buildup to 1980. and how ronald reagan was seen not by you because you actually were there at the beginning in '66. you got it in a way -- i think even frank reynolds at abc said th night that you were talking abt the map going blue. what the hell is happening out there? there are certainly without drawing parallels between reagan and trump personally, there's
certainly parallels on these two people who were considered clowns by the establishment. just shocking them on a single night in november. >> big single difference for me at least was i was kind of a harold. i came from california in 1973 to cover watergate. my friends said ronald reagan actor. two terms as govern in california. they say he's more than we realize. when he came onboard to run for president, i was not surprised he was going to do well. at the same time, his civility as a candidate played very well for him. he went out and people liked him. they liked to be around him. when he got to be president in the middle of the recession, one of my favorite stories about him, they decide to send him up to boston and they send him on st. patrick's day into a pub and the press told to stay outside and press says they'll kill him in there. ten minutes later he comes out hoisting a beer being cheered by
out of work workers in there with him. big differences between them. as an outside, yes, there is that part of it. but he also had a bette organized plan about what he nted to do. you kind of knew where he wanted to go and how to get there. donald trump has a lot of beginnings but no ends to his plans at this point. >> i think more importantly ronald reagan had a world view he had been developing for 25 years. donald trump was a democratic three or four years ago. >> can i say one other thing as well? he was friends with george schultz. he took jim baker from the other campaign and made him his chief of staff. he loaded up his administration with class a players. they went out there and got the best they could find and made them part of the administration. >> that right now is the first test of donald trump's leadership. will he surround himself with the best and brightest?
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popular vote. hillary clinton and donald trump are knotted up at 48%. gary johnson took -- >> can i stop you there. how many times did we hear that donald trump's ceiling by the smart people was 41-42%. that's all we heard. 48%. that's stunning. >> gary johnson took 3.7 million votes or 3% of the popular vote. in florida, clinton losing by more than 120,000 votes. josogets in excess of 200,000 votes there. in pennsylvania, johnson took 2% of the vote. this is the guy that stuck his tongue out at kasey. several times. look at wisconsin and michigan. johnson takes 4%. and in michigan, the libertarian candidate gets 4% as well. here he is speaking to supporters last night. >> you know what? we came to dance and let's
dance. there's a lot to celebrate. a lot to celebrate. this is a celebration. i think it is just the start of a really big movement. the libertarian movement. yeah. it is. >> you would almost have to say he was stoned to look at it that way. we won't. let's bring in nbc political correspondent kasie hunt and steve kornacki who had an extraordinary night last night. >> have you slept yet? >> i haven't. i want to go to you. you said something so insightful. you kept coming on saying i go to clinton rallies and they don't feel like the rallies of somebody who is about to be elected president. explain. >> look, it was the only piece of evidence that i had. all of the numbers were obviously pointing in a completely different direction. all of the polling. republican internal polling. democratic internal polling.
public polling. when i was on the campaign trail, it felt like i was covering mitt romney in the final weeks. small events. handful every day. enthusiasm was just not there. my head i compared them to covering president obama out on the campaign trail this time. night and day. >> mika and i in four years leading up to mitt romney getting the republican nomination would ask crowds who here is excited about mitt romney? no one would raise their hands. same thing happened with hillary clinton. >> it did. i have to tell you, we were so late in the game and clinton world seemed to be so convinced they were going to win, i didn't get angry e-mails about saying these things. i got private ridiculed a little bit because they were so convinced that this was what was going to happen. on the final weekend the rallies did get bigger. they had huge concerts with beyonce. >> they always had to have rock stars or pop stars. >> donald trump saying i don't need lady gaga.
i don't need beyonce. i don't need bon jovi. >> in the end he did not. >> we're all unpacking about what happened. how did trump go from 41, 42, not just in national polling but state polls all of the way up to 48? where did that come from? >> the biggest single surprise that got him up there is what were we talking about in the run-up to this election. we said every poll showed this. a group of voters, white college educated voters were so repelled by trump that for the first time in modern presidential campaign polling they were going to go for the democrat. clinton up seven and ten. white college educated. what happened was trump won them by four. that's a reduced margin from what republicans usually get but it's still a win. what does that mean in terms of the map? here's what it means. pennsylvania. why did donald trump win pennsylvania? a couple reasons. here's the main one. philadelphia didn't quite deliver the number that
democrats got four years ago. they said it's going to be okay. the suburbs. the white college educated suburbs right outside philadelphia. >> i saw -- when you reported that trump was splitting the vote in the philly suburbs, i was shocked. >> she ends up winning it. margin is not larger than obama won it four years ago. >> what conclusion do you from that? >> five letters. purely antidotal. i had three republicans that were never trumpers who after the comey said i am holding my nose and voting for trump. they said it's not the person i want. >> paul begala said last night, he said of people that were blaming it on comey, he said they're ignoring the earthquake and they're looking at the washing machine. that's causing the vibrations. you think it's comey. >> i don't think that's the base
of his support. it got him some republicans to come back and republican leaning independents. >> it could be. i will tell you that we heard repeatedly for a year people saying in polite society in dinners, in speeches, in every event, mika is like her father. she's very blunt. how many republicans are here? how many democrats? who is voting for trump? who is voting for clinton? nobody would ever raise -- when i say nobody -- >> one trumper would go like this. >> nobody would raise their hands. afterwards there would be a steady stream coming up to us, college educated whites usually, i'm voting for him. >> i don't usually go for personal antidotes but in this case i have one. i grew up in the philadelphia suburbs. i'm pretty familiar with the nature of republicans in the area. it's usually your moderate stripe. my mother recently had knee surgery. she was told going in, don't mention politics. it came up because they were
watching msnbc as she was kind of getting prepared and the doctor looks at the screen. msnbc. i don't like that. turns out he was a trump supporter. the surgeon operating on her knee at the university of pennsylvania. which i think was very much a surprise. >> your daughter works there? >> is she okay? >> 99, 98, 97. >> surgery went well. that's my antidotal contribution to the philadelphia suburbs college educated white people that you wouldn't necessarily expect. >> watching you work the map last night, what was the moment for you -- what was the moment for you where you said this is a different race than we thought it was an hour ago? >> first of all, you talked about it. exit polls that we are all handed suggested hillary clinton was going to win these states. i was looking at early returns in florida with an eye toward it looks like clinton is going to carry the state. what i saw in florida early was the gold coast miami-dade
broward palm beach, she was getting the vote out of there they needed to get and improved obama's margin by 100,000. i look at that and say she's got it. when florida suddenly tightened, that told us rural vote sort of the tampa area, the turnout for republicans is much stronger and then when he caught her in the returns in north carolina, i said, wow. florida could go and carolina could go and now something is happening. >> those florida numbers when t t they started to show up, i got questions from other republicans. >> every single expert i have known my entire life in florida, republican and democrat alike, said there was no way going into it that trump could win. >> every one of my florida experts said it but person who knows florida best said to me, the only way trump will win if there's a surge at the end that.
that's what happened. >> thank you very much. up next, presidential historian -- so much more work ahead. with historical comparison of trump's win if there is one. and we'll break out -- >> look at him. he's a mess. donny deutch is next. we'll try to assure him that everything is going to be all right. we'll be right back with more "morning joe."
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member of congress to back donald trump for president. thanks for being on the show this morning. we should mention we had several top democrats that were invited on the show and accepted and then canceled after the returns came in. congressman, what is donald trump's greatest challenge moving forwar >> well, i will confirm i endorsed him on february 24th, so that was 8 1/2 months ago. it's been quite a ride for 8 1/2 months. donald trump's biggest challenge, i just think is the order magnitude of the problems facing this country and the team he's going to have to assemble pretty quickly to start dealing on the international front with isis but also economics. he just has never spent a day holding elected office. he doesn't have an entourage coming in with him or folks he worked with in government in the past so he's going to have to
start fresh and put together the a team. i know he will. best and brightest. that's what you do as a private sector ceo. he isn't going to ask folks whether they're republicans or democrats. he's going to say what's your view of the world? what's your view of government? >> let me ask but that. i'm glad you said that. this is a divided nation. republicans control washington, d.c. now. all of the levers of power in washington d.c. how important is it for donald trump to be gracious to democrats and for republicans to work with democrats and get things done on a bipartisan basis? >> well, let me begin with the public is frankly sick and tired of hearing political labels. republican and democrat. they want mr. trump to hire the best and brightest. when you call it the coalition that came together to elect him, those were republicans, democrats and independents. so what they want to know is this person qualified? are they best one that he can
find and do they believe about putting america -- making america great again for all americans. and i think that will resonate well resonate well. some would say, he ran as an outsider, almost as a third party candidate so i'm not -- so he's not looking for labels. >> all right. >> he's looking for the best that he can find. >> congressman chris collins, thank you. >> congratulations on being the first to pick donald trump. i'll see you when i get down to washington and maybe you can suggest a penny stock for me to invest. you're good at that. >> joining us. >> i have some ideas for you. >> thank you, sir. ben ginsburg joins us and now spokesman for xanax, donny deutsch. >> you would give up your supply of hgh fora week if last night didn't turn out the way it did. >> yeah, i would give up a lot. this election was about fear, fear of the status quo. >> right. >> and fear of the unknown. the fear of the status quo won,
and unfortunately this morning and half of this country was going to wake up very afraid this morning either way. >> right. >> if i was a factory worker in scranton i would be afraid. right now if you're a muslim, you're very afraid in this country. if you're a woman who gets harassed at work, you're afraid this morning. if you're a young african-american, you're afraid this morning. >> what's the challenge for donald trump? >> that's the simple challenge. donald trump, it's very interesting -- >> you've known this guy. >> i'm going to talk about my personal work with him. here's a guy who i've known for years who at the beginning of this campaign i would kind of defend and say, you know what, he's a good father, a good boss. >> right. >> i judge people by fathers. then i met a man during this campaign that i found repugnant. as of last friday i said this is not a good guy, this is a bad guy. the way he behaved was badly. my only be hope now was this is what he had to do to get elected. i said it that i actually don't
believe half the things he was saying. i think he detached himself from himself where the cheers were and he went where the cheers were. that's what got him elected. i hope to god for my sake, for my children's sake, the world's sake, that the guy who behaved the way he behaved during this campaign is not the president. it's the other guy. that's the biggest fear. why this audience is terrified -- how many people are afraid right now? okay. you're afraid because you don't know what you have and that's the big fear. >> ben againginsburg i ask that not turn around and tap dance. no audience participation. that is discouraged for the sake of both of us, yes. but talk about actually the fear republicans have in washington, d.c., that they don't know what they're getting. that a lot of republicans are wondering whether they're going to get donald trump the democrat
or donald trump the pop poulous. >> republicans are hoping for the awesome nature of the office, how big it is. he grows into the office, which is one of those phenomenons that you often see. the big political fear for republicans, and it's not so much a fear as an opportunity, is that in controlling all branches of congress and the white house you are responsible, republicans are responsible going forward. and that gives you unparalleled opportunities to get positions and legislation through, executive orders through, to repeal things that the obama administration did. but, boy, is it a huge responsibility and challenge. >> you know mike barnacle, i can say this because i said the same thing about hillary clinton when it looked like hillary clinton could get elected president, that i was optimistic that she would be able to work with congress because she did such a good job of working across the aisle when she was senator for new york for eight years.
donald trump likes making deals. if you want to understand donald trump, that's what he likes doing. he likes making deals. he's going to have a democrat running the senate who likes making deals and who knows him very well, chuck schumer. i just wonder whether we have a reason to be optimistic that maybe things can get done? because i am, just like i was optimistic if hillary won, i'm optimistic that we'll get more things done moving forward than we did over the past eight years. am i naive? >> no, i don't think you're naive. i had mentioned to ben earlier off camera, i asked him how surprised he thought mitch mcconnell would be when he found out about february 15th that donald trump is actually a democrat. >> right. >> but the important thing to remember here is, and everybody is grabbing the arms of their chairs and squeezing their knuckles in fear or dread or whatever, is something happens on the way to january 20th, and
it's the first full intel briefing that a president-elect gets and that's when you realize the expanse of the job, the awesome responsibility of the job, the dangers out there in the world and that will change donald j. trump. >> i heard you say that eight years ago before barack obama got the briefing and that's obviously what americans want. and are hoping will happen with donald trump. >> you never know how someone who gets elected will behave. this is the biggest wild card of all time. never held elected office. never run for elected office. never worked in washington. never dealt with national security. never dealt with congress. no idea. >> it's on now. donny deutsch and ben ginsburg, thank you so much. >> donny, it's going to be okay. >> one challenge to mr. trump, it's all the been about you. it's about 300 million people. it's inside out. >> why do i feel like i'm on don
ours was not a campaign but rather an incredible and great movement made up of millions of hard-working men and women who love their country and want a better, brighter future for themselves and for their family. it's a movement comprised of americans from all races, religions, backgrounds and beliefs who want and expect our government to serve the people and serve the people it will.
reince is a superstar but i said, they can't call you a superstar, reince, unless we win because you can't be called a superstar. like sec kretariat. if he came in second they wouldn't have that big beautiful bust. reince is really a star. >> it's the top of the hour. donald trump is the president-elect of the united states of america. i want to pause. you spoke with him late last night. what was that like? >> it was very interesting. i heard that clip where he said, unless you win, it doesn't matter. so i called him up. you know, we've known him for over a decade. i called him up last night when it looked like he was going to win and everybody had all but announced it. i called him up and he was just donald. hello, joe. he wasn't excited.
and what he said to me was, he said, you know what, he said, the way i look at it, i'm on the 17th hole of the masters and i'm one stroke ahead. i'm not celebrating. and he was very -- it actually was sort of a reassuring moment for me. like at a time when other people would be getting spooled up, he just sat there and he was staying focused. and that actually reminds me, mika, about the mistake i think democrats made. jennifer granholm was on our show yesterday morning celebrating. democrats have spent the last three weeks celebrating. in fact, one of the only democrats that really seemed to have focus was al franken. >> on our show yesterday. >> who said, i'm nervous. >> i'm nervous. we've got work to do. and, in fact, he said, i don't know what was up with jennifer granho granholm, but we've got an election to win. al franken understood, just like
trump did last night, even when everybody said he was going to win. unless you walk to the 18th hole of augusta national and you sink that putt, you don't win, it doesn't matter. >> since that phone call, he won. obama, president obama has invited his successor, donald j. trump, to meet with him at the white house tomorrow to update him on the transition of power and we've just learned hillary clinton is set to speak at 9:30 this morning. we will, of course, carry that live. the republicans set aside the highest office for his first campaign in his entire life. attracted thousands to rallies in every corner of the country. defied political conventions and rebuked the establishment at every turn. overnight state after state after state thought to be leaning toward democrat hillary clinton went to trump, including hard fought battleground florida, north carolina, pennsylvania. trump swept deep through the rust belt winning ohio and
wisconsin and shocking the system in michigan where he is leading in total votes although it's still too close to call. in the end, it was too much for hillary clinton whose victories in the contested states of virginia and colorado were simply not enough to counter her rival. as of this moment, clinton narrowly leads trump in the popular vote by about 129,000 but the path in the electoral college just wasn't there. >> reince, i want to talk to you about i think the two most underreported stories of this campaign as far as process goes. we constantly heard about how the democrats had the obama turnout operation, they had the data. republicans were -- even last night we had people on tv saying, well, of course donald trump is going to lose tonight because he doesn't have the ground game. >> yeah. >> he doesn't have the get out the -- the story of this campaign that now has to be written and will be written is
that you had jared kirshner running a data operation with the trump team and you had the rnc digging extraordinarily deep. we're talking david pluff type work and we saw shawn spicer yesterday morning to give us a quick briefing. >> it was impressive. >> i was absolutely blown away about how much money you guys sunk into what turned -- you know, because 4 years ago mitt romney had an app that crashed on election day. you're like, are you kidding me? this guy ran bain capital but you guys learned about that. talk about that. >> well, we were embarrassed four years ago. i mean, you can't have a competent national party if you don't have your act together when it comes to data, infrastructure, ground game. we need to know everything about everyone out there, what beer they drink, what car they drive, how much money they make, how many kids they have.
anything about a particular voter, you have to be able to predict how that voter is going to act. >> and i saw on the sheet, not to interrupt, but just to tell everybody else here. shawn handed me voter so and so from pennsylvania and they have all the things and then they go, these are the contacts we've made. >> that's right. >> there are like 20 contacts. number 20 -- at the end it's like check going to polls today to vote. >> we were -- we've been -- we spent the last four years trying to be as good or at least get close to what barack obama did. i mean, they were -- >> which was extraordinary. they were extraordinary. >> yeah. as far as politics goes, what they did in 2012 building off of 2008 was really the example for national party. but i'd say this, this was about donald trump. it was about the message that he delivered, the discipline that he had, the knowledge and understanding of where the american people were at.
he executed the plan and did it in a way that was the most unbelievable thing that we see. >> but reince when you say it's about donald trump and the message that he zlifrd. is this the candidate about the muslim ban, the candidate who said what he said about women or what he said about mexicans. what was his message? what did people see about his message? >> i think his message was freedom and his message was following through on the promises you make to the american people. while there were ups and downs during the campaign, some of those things that weren't the best things that happened were forgiven because people viewed donald trump as the anecdote for everything that they hated about politics and he transcended some of the problems because his message of freedom from the lies and the broken promises and his ability to -- >> by the way, of both parties. >> of both parties. both parties. >> book ended by the clintons.
>> for over a quarter of a century. that's why people came out in droves yesterday i think. that's part of it. the frustration in this country. we have a country that's fractured, filled with frustrated people whose dreams and ambitions have been either thwarted or not attained certainly. what is donald trump's first priority in that country, our country, to pull this country together. what does he have to do? >> his first priority was last night. what joe said was right. donald trump last night was no different the second he walked up on that stage than he was two hours before other than the fact that when he was getting ready for that speech he knew what he wanted to do was he wanted to cool the temperature, he wanted to calm down the american people and the capital markets and the entire world and say, wait a second. i'm going to be the president for everyone in this country. i know what this responsibility is. i'm not going to brag about where we're at. the old fights are over.
you didn't hear a thing about it because he wanted to do it. he is the one that said, no, that's -- we are going to write a speech that brings people together tonight. he did it. >> we heard that broad message of unity, mr. chairman, but there are a lot of people this morning waking up in fear. they're muslim americans who heard the way he talked about muslims coming to this country or not being allowed to come to this country. latinos who are worried that some of their family members may in fact be deported under a president trump. what do you say to those people who have good reason to be scared today? >> i think everyone learns as they go through this process. he said that it wasn't a matter of banning a particular religion from the united states but it was making sure that if immigration was coming from countries that were harboring terrorism, that we were going to look at the country and perhaps suspend temporarily immigration from that country. he's not calling for mass deportation. he said, no, only people who have committed crimes. only until all of that has been
taken care of do we look at what we do next. >> by the way, on those two points, we were critical of donald trump not making the turn. there are issues like that where he actually did make the turn and he went from muslim ban -- >> subtly. >> -- to -- went from muslim ban to suddenly saying it's about syria, it's about other war-torn countries. i'm not going to have a mass deportation force and there was a narrowing of that. i think, ben, it's probably going to be his responsibility to underline that and highlight it so muslim americans and latinos do not fear his presence. >> two things will send a huge message at the beginning. number one is who he appoints to his administration and cabinet and what he does with his 100 day plan. you've been watching very carefully the races around the country. what would you recommend to him as the 100 day plan to get legislation through to resolve the concerns they express? >> well, i mean, wouldn't get
into too much of it today. it's only been a few hours, ben. i think first of all we want to slow things down a little bit, but he's working -- working with the members of both parties, working with leadership of the republican party, the democrat party finding out, you know, obviously where the -- where each side is willing to go in order to get something done. i think joe was right before, he's a person who likes to make deals. he thinks that there's a way, and he's right, that we can get our spending under control, that we can get the debt under control. to willie's point before. i just want to say. half my family lives in greece. i got a few calls from my cousins in greece and -- about last night and what happened. 4:00, 5:00 in the morning. the whole world feels like in many ways they're losing the sovereignty of their own country. and you saw that in brittain. you see it throughout europe. people just feel like we need -- there's nothing wrong with protecting the sovereignty of
america while still being a friendly partner throughout the world. and i think if there was something that i could kind of portray about donald trump, it's where he's at. he wants to protect the sovereignty of america, be a partner throughout the world, live in peace but also put more money in people's pockets. get jobs back. that's the message i think people saw out on the campaign trail. >> are you going to be chief of staff? >> no -- not a single tiny little bit conversation about such a thing. >> there hasn't been conversation? >> none. none. >> would you consider it? >> no. listen, first of all, if the president of the united states asks you to do anything -- >> by the way, he hasn't slept. >> except for 90 minutes on a chair last night. no. >> yeah, if you're asked -- >> look, if they ask you to go, you know, walk a dog, i guess you've got to consider it. >> got to consider it. >> it's very -- >> go back to sleep. >> it's funny what reince said,
it sounds a lot like what theresa may said, the new prime minister of brittain when she spoke to the torreys in birmingham. the take away line was a citizen of the world is a citizen of nowhere. which is, again, talking about sovereignty. what we're doing now in the united states with this election is what great britain did with brexit and you talk about a historical parallel. thatcher elected in 1979 in great britain. ronald regan in '80. >> reince priebus, thank you very much. ben begiginsburg as well. in the words of mike murphy, data died last night. the long-time republican strategist joins the political roundtable next on "morning joe."
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donald trump now has the authority of an election behind him. it's the biggest thing that you can have in a democracy. you can't -- this is not an antiseptic event. what you hear tonight is hard to put into perspective. we're going to have one party ruling this country and obamacare's done. dodd-frank is done. the diplomatic and financial consequences i'm looking out at the futures are down 719. they're going to go further. i have -- it's hard to imagine what this means. >> a lot of folks who are at a loss of words last night, especially those supporting hillary clinton. >> i just had one of your friends out there say, you know what, this is exactly what -- you know, because they keep saying everything is going to be okay. >> yeah. >> one of your friends said, this is exactly how i felt when richard nixon was elected. >> i said, see, what went wrong there? >> right. >> nothing to worry about. >> exactly. thank you, joe.
>> oh, wait, that's right. >> joining us now, presidential historian michael beschlos. host of msnbc's politics nation, president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton and republican strategist and host of radio free gop podcast mike murphy. oh, my god. >> reverend al. >> yes. >> you know, it's really interesting, at the very beginning of this campaign, and i hope you don't mind now that it's all over, we can just say it, you were concerned about black support for hillary clinton. you said she just doesn't seem to connect. that was one thing you said. and the second thing you said on our air was she better watch out for this trump guy. i've been around him. i know him. and like harold ford jr. telling everybody who was laughing at him in july, harold said, this guy's going to win. you didn't quite go that far, but you said everything but that. >> well, first of all, i come to
make the second call of the season. mrs. clinton called trump. i came to concede to you bause the last couple of weeks you've been calling this even though you've not been, you know, supportive of trump -- >> right. >> -- you said he was containing momentum. you had your ear to the ground. i could see it's a ground i don't know. >> don't celebrate too long because i'll only concede for a second. >> no, i was saying the only reason why is my district, they're the people who elected donald trump last night. that was the demographic. >> i think though that was the demographic, and i think that we are in a real moment like nixon. i mean, if you look at the backlash after the great society and of a lot of the unrest, that is what defeated hubert humphrey and brought in richard nixon. i was a kid. i remember it like it was yesterday. you had assassinations of kennedy, king. unrest. people go to extreme measures to
respond. trump played to that. i said that. he did all of the dog whistles. this is not bernie sanders populism. this is george wallace populism that he's doing. and i think that many people have got to call it the way it is. now the question is how will he govern? >> right. >> but he cannot say he did not run a campaign that has created a lot of racial fears and a lot of divisiveness and he played to the crowd and he knew what he was playing to. >> for sure. >> i know him here. he knew exactly what he was doing. he was playing to the worst elements. the question is now what are you going to do. >> reverend al, we spoke to that, but there's also something else that happened. there's soul searching to be done on the other side as well. >> absolutely. there's a lot of soul searching. there's a lot of disconnect that was there. >> massive. >> there was a lot of people that did not understand what was said and was not being said on the ground and appointing people, leaders that were just because they appeared somewhere in social media. all of that i think came back to
haunt them. >> right. >> and i think that there's going to be -- rather than going to a blame game, we need to analyze, this man's going to be president and all that many of us have fought for during our lives is at stake. we're not going down without a fight. donald needs to know that. >> so, michael, obviously a heavy republican crowd behind us. what would you expect in manhattan, new york. >> exactly. >> carried by john kasich. >> exactly. let's talk about historical precedence. i keep talking about 1980 only because ronald regan blindsided the elites in a way that the elites don't like to remember, but he did. >> no, he did. >> i remember this great story. nancy reagan after '76 asked mike wallace to get a dinner party together in manhattan to have reagan meet him because he wanted to connect more, not be this crazed guy up from l.a. and
wallace called her back and said, no, i can't find anybody. she said, just one or two people. he said, no, you don't understand. nobody wants to have dinner with him. >> no, that's right. and actually that made them -- you remember the first dinner that the reagans had when he announced for the presidency, november 1979 for exactly that reason, she said, let's have it in new york. that's where they don't have people. guess where they had it? it was the ballroom of new york hilton which last night went down in history for something zblels so what historical precedence do you set last night? >> no one is going to argue this is andrew jackson, but jackson was the first president who said i'm going to go after the elites and bring power to people who are suffering all across the country, including in nashville where willie went to college. and also, you know, the mid 1930s. people forget that even after three years of franklin roosevelt there was still almost 20% unemployment.
huey long came along. roosevelt was terrified of long because long was saying roosevelt is not working. i can do better. every man a king. i'm going to redistribute the wealth. long was assassinated. had he not been, he could have really jeopardized roosevelt's presidency. >> john meachem said this supersedes andrew jackson. more wild, bigger, crazy. mike murphy you were not alone yesterday. like most of the country, we thought maybe around 9:00 once florida is in -- >> i thought florida would go quick. >> goes quick, we think it maybe goes to hillary clinton, put everybody to bet early. >> yeah, my crystal ball and a lot of others were shattered into atoms. it's so interesting to look at the trump composition just going to florida for a minute because, joe, you know it well. duvall county, trump did poorly in. bedrock republican area. he underperformed in hillsboro, tampa. north of there, pascoe, hernando county he crushed. >> how fascinating for people
that know florida. i don't want to get too deep in the weeds. he underperforms in hillsboro. right next to it in st. pete he over performs. >> right. exactly. so it was a very different composition of vote than we've ever seen before. that's why everybody who kind of does vote counting for living, totally wrong across the board. but i agree, the larger question is i've been vociferously anti-trump but we want our president to succeed. >> yes. >> the presidency has a way of bringing people up. we have to help that -- >> on that note, there is a tweet this morning from jeb bush. remember him? congratulations on your victory as our president columba and i will pray for you in the days and months to come. >> that's the guy that mike murphy and i both originally when this all started wanted to be president because i think he would have been a great president. but, mike murphy, the world changed and donald trump, talk about drawing an inside straight, this candidate of the
outside got to run against a bush and then run against a clinton. >> and the dynasties are -- >> doesn't line up much more than that. >> that's a perfect storm. that's why he's winning states like wisconsin, we haven't won since '84. we're going to pay a lot of attention to trump because he was the motor of his success but also the huge rejection of hillary clinton. the voters hated her. >> can we just say because we're talking about hillary clinton here, i think it's important to remember, the fact that michael veschelos, the fact that she's been in the public eye since 1978 is extraoinary. if anybody is saying, oh, hillary clinton's just not a likeable person, you go into public service and literally have the spotlight glare on you from 1978 to 2016 and get your approval rating above 35%. nixon had the same problem from his forward. >> perfect example, and barack
obama benefitted from that in 2008 because he was able to say, i'm essentially a blank slate. project on me what you want. hillary clinton has got all of these things attached to her that you know about. >> right. >> yeah. >> so, mika -- >> yes. >> remember barbara bush saying a long time ago, i think it's time for someone else. the thought of another bush or clinton in the white house. boy, did she call it? i don't know if she meant this. >> mika, you're a democrat and you let people know that you've always voted democratic, but you said from the moment she had the u.n. press conference, from that moment you said the server matters, the e-mail matters. i saw you get angry on set, about as angry as i've ever seen you get at their fumbling around. and then we find out that even podesta and the other people that worked for hillary clinton were just absolutely flummexed.
>> i just remember being run over repeatedly saying people don't care. people don't care about it. i truly believe they did. going out and talking to americans, if you ask them how they -- do you care about the server thing? they did. they did not like it. it did not seem honest. and it kept coming back to haunt her and i think another thing that perhaps we might sort of end up seeing as a part of this is what happened with the dnc, with debbie wasserman schultz and bernie sanders. >> oh, my god. >> that's unbelievable. >> donald taps into this. the system is rigged. you see little signs of kind of an arrogance that leads to a rigging. >> by the way, reverend al, if i'm a democrat that votes for bernie, i'm not going out to vote for hillary when her people are saying where do we stick the knife in bernie? and having questions passed to bernie -- passed to hillary clinton. you talk about a poster -- a campaign that's a poster child for a rigged primary?
>> it continues to follow. one of the things that you never do is you play into your negative narrative. once trump was able to put the negative narrative, crooked hillary, it's rigged. >> he tapped into it. >> e-mails, the debates. a all of this played into pre -- >> he's the white don. >> branding. >> oh, my god. >> i know. >> it reinforced it. >> let them say that of me when i am gone. i'm the white don king. yes, exactly. >> if i might support mika's brilliant and early point about the servers, i think what that did was before the servers, before that u.n. press conference people could say, you know, bill clinton may have had his problems in the 1990s, but that was him. hillary has learned from this. she doesn'tave the connection to that. >> before the servers it was the speech money. >> yes. the servers and the speech money
around the same time said this reminds me of something before and it's connected to all those things that people had had problems with. >> it connected to a narrative. >> willie, how are american politics, not just republican politics, american politics different than they were 12 hours ago? which is to say that hillary clinton had all the conventional advantages you'd want for a candidate. she had more money. she had ground game. >> right. >> she had great surrogates, a very popular president. first lady, the president, vice president, jay z, beyonce. also by the way, jeb bush had those advantages. the conventional politics. >> she had obama, biden, warren. >> she had distribution and machinery but the product was politics in a year when people wanted to punish politics. they didn't care if the bat was kind of repellant in some ways. trump wasn't that popular even among his own voters but he was change. he has made -- now we have four years to really see what was, but he has made the republican party into a nationalist populus
party. guys in the house said, wow, that worked like nothing since reagan. i'm going to do that too. it's going to be an intellectual struggle to see what we are. >> the world changed. i always commented that every sector of society had changed over the past 20, 30 years, and you look at a guy like steve jobs who completely changed the way we talk on the phone, the way we get music, the way we -- amazon. all of these different sectors, and i always said politics was dragging behind everything else. well, the old way of doing business died last night. data's dead. >> yeah. >> 30 second ads are dead. raising $300 million to put them on 30 second spots, dead. >> yeah. >> all of the things that people thought you had to do to win, donald trump killed those sectors last night. >> yeah. i tweeted last night, i've been doing data for 30 years. it worked. data is dead. we're going to have a new model. the huge change is the geographic concentration of
vote. that's why hillary's going to get more votes than trump, yet the way the electoral college votes when your vote is dense in a couple of places as opposed to a smaller vote that's spread out. smaller vote can win. this has happened twice in 16 years. there's going to be talk about the arduous path to change the electoral college. >> think about the bench from michelle obama with those incredible speeches that people felt actually ranked up there in history following the "access hollywood" tapes. president obama, highest approval rating since i don't know who. biden, chelsea, sanders, warren, katy perry, beyonce, lady gaga, john bon jovi. it goes on and on and on. >> there's an old show biz rule. i worked there, too, beware of the good co-star. you see michelle hit it out of the park. >> out of the park. >> what people think, god, hillary's no michelle. >> you know what, and trump says, i don't need that. i'm here -- >> every time. >> -- you're there.
i don't need beyonce to sing and get you excited. let's talk about the future of the country. >> yeah. and he says it shows weakness on her part. one other thing i think we'd better remember also, that is that in american history it is very hard for one political party to hold onto the white house three terms in a row. >> yeah. >> eisenhower tried to give the white house to nixon in '60, didn't work. clinton tried to do the same thing with al gore in 2000, didn't work either. so in a way, you know, that sort of thing reminded people of what they had seen. >> before reagan passed it off to bush for a term do you know off the top of your head when a party had -- >> other than fdr, martin van buren in 1836. >> that's what willie and i were just saying. martin van buren. new york guy. >> it's our story and we're stick to go it. >> you know what, history may have been, but i've got to tell you, what donald trump has done is nothing short of remarkable. >> both bodies are now broken
and they're going to have to -- the democratic and the republican establishment lost last night. >> yes, they did. >> now the people with their real ear to the ground are going to have to come forward and rebuild both parties. mike murphy, reverend al sharpton, thank you all. still ahead. republican rand paul kept his seat in the senate last night after failing to knock off donald trump in the presidential primary. the newly re-elected senator joins the discussion and reminder, hillary clinton is set to speak at 9:30 this morning. we're back with "morning joe" live from studio 8h in just a moment.
so mika is actually manning a crisis of mine. >> oh, my. >> my daughters. >> from thet -- >> friends. >> over the decades. >> college presidents now. >> tell us everything is going to be okay. tell us everything is going to be okay. >> everyone is stunned. it really -- we do have to take a moment and see this as sort of like a rebirth on many levels, both parties, and a new way for the country that we cannot predict. >> right. >> and we shouldn't judge at this point. people have been judgmental up to this point and they missed the story. >> they missed the story. if we want to know why everybody missed the story so much, it's because over the past three to four weeks, just going to say it, the media -- and, willie, we talked about this. a lot of people in the media saw
it as their job. we stood up to donald trump? when i got the early voting from florida and i knew something was up, i had no one i could go to in the media that i usually go to at "the new york times," washington post or wall street journal because they all were, what did kellyanne say? they all had a conclusion that was in search of facts. >> that's when i felt like i watched it last night. >> they were all blindsided. >> the clinton campaign itself, i mean yesterday we had surrogates on tv literally outwardly giddy. >> giddy. >> talked to jennifer granholm. >> she was joking about not having anything in her coffee, she was so excited. >> juju. >> people closer to the campaign, we feel really good about this. it was as if it were over. i think you saw that in the huge javits center that was set up and over the course of the night
you saw the crowd get smaller and smaller until john podesta -- >> i'm assuming they were expecting a massive crowd and celebration or they would not have set up a room like that. >> steve schmidt, we've done that before. we know when we're getting spun. >> absolutely. >> campaigns always spin. i knew romney was dead last year just talking to people closer to him. even though they were saying everything is okay, we're going to win virginia. just like axlerod knew where their votes were were telling me in three weeks that they had an opening not only in michigan but in wigs con ssconsin. they saw it before anybody saw it. unbelievable. i'm still stunned. >> i couldn't have been more wrong. i had her at 320 to 340 electoral votes and thought this race was over for the last three weeks. going back to the primary when
we sat here and he came down the escalator. >> in the eyes of the american people. the media is on that list. business is on that list. politics is on that list. giant primal scream. this is not an american phenomenon. this was the brexit vote. next we have the french presidential election with maureen le pen. >> germany next year. >> in september. i think politics in our lifetime has been right down the middle. now it is a horizontal line. people benefitted from the technological revolution, globalization above it. the people have been left behind
below it. >> so on that though, that collapse of trust with the people who have been left behind, why then was it so hard to see in retrospect? people feed into that exact narrative that we saw out in the country. >> i think the democrats got totally punished for this complete miscalculation for hillary clinton. they appoint her. it's a coronation. this year the sentiment was clearly for a grassroots candidate going up against an establishment and she -- you know, you look at what happened with debbie wasserman schultz and bernie sanders. >> i was wondering. >> it mattered. >> the system seems rigged and this is what we get for it. >> by the way, one of the things we found, certainly a lot of bernie sanders supporters found that it was rigged. let's go to louisville,
kentucky, republican senator rand paul was locked in a significant victory in his re-election race last night. you know, rand, i was surprised by the strength of the trump victory. not just in kentucky, but in wisconsin, ohio, in pennsylvania. just staggering. >> yeah, it was pretty amazing. we had an inkling something was happening. we defeated a 36 year incumbent, the speaker of the house, a democrat. this was a big rebuke basically of the regulatory war. so you saw west virginia go republican an election ago or two. now kentucky has gone completely republican, but basically in response to a regulatory war that's cost us 15,000 jobs in
the coal industry. >> let me ask you this, rand. you and i share a lot of views ideologically, small government, conservative/libertarian. do you have any assurance that donald trump is going to be anything different than a big government republican? >> actually, i have a prediction to make this morning. i think we're going to spend the first month passing repeal of obama regulations and they will be signed by trump. so i think there will be a half a dozen regulations repealed in the first week of congress and this is something i'm excited to do because most of these regulations haven't been written by congress. i think they're unconstitutional because they've been -- they're -- basically the executive is legislating and that was never the intention of the founding fathers. so i think you're going to find that we're going to repeal half dozen or more regulations in the first week of congress and i'm excited about it. i think the regulations have been killing our jobs and making
us less competitive for the world. >> willie? >> senator, it's willie geist. donald trump spent much of the last year and a half fighting in public, sometimes on debate stages with the people he now has to work with, you being one of them, marco rubio, ted cruz, speaker of the house paul ryan as well. what leads you to believe you'll be able to come together and do that in washington. >> he was nice to hillary clinton last night so i figure he'll be nice to me. >> for a minute. >> here's the way i look at it. i think my job is the same whether it was to get the job done. republican and democrat. i don't see my job changing. i think for a long time both parties will spin us into oblivion. i'll be a check and balance on big government and debt. it doesn't matter who the president is. i'll be the same person i am whether it's republican or
democrat. >> hey, senator, hallie jackson. one source on capitol hill said as a result of the votes coming in, he's going to learn how the establishment works and he has to fit in. there's no evidence he has to do that given what he will consider what's a mandate. how do you work with a president trump given that sentiment and some of the never trump folks that are still there in congress? >> i think the interesting thing you're going to find is that i think he'll have a pro-business agenda. this administration has been very anti-business. most of the people in the obama administration never held jobs in the real world. they were extremists, academics who wanted to regulate everything that moved so i think you will find that we will put on trump's desk of repeal of regulation after regulation and i think you will see him sign them. i don't think you'll find resistance from donald trump to get rid of the regulatory war on business. it has gone way too far. there was a story the other day of the epa when they plow the field and you have the mound of
dirt between the rows. they call that mini mountains and they're regulating that as mountain ranges, okay? the government has gone crazy with regulations. none of them have been passed by congress. i think you're going to see repeal in the first week and i think you'll see donald trump sign them. >> senator, next question comes from somebody you may know. >> elise jordan. >> hi, senator paul. congratulations. >> good. >> very happy about your win. >> thanks. >> so donald trump has been a little bit all over the place when it comes to foreign policy. what do you see congress's role in foreign policy with the donald trump administration? and how do you see the iran nuclear deal proceeding under donald trump? >> you know, i'm an advocate of not saying we'll rip up anything. i think we should see if there's adherence to the treaty or the agreement. with regard to war, i'll continue to hold donald trump to the same standard i hold all presidents, and that is that war should be initiated and declared by congress and we haven't done that in the last several years.
we got involved in libya, got involved in syria and i think it's nonsense for people to say that the 9/11 declaration of use of force has anything to do with what we're doing now. so i will continue to insist. i've already forced one vote on this, and i'll continue to try to say that congress needs to do their job and we need to have a vote on when we go to war. >> senator rand paul, thank you very much. >> we appreciate you being here. >> thank you both. >> hallie -- >> speaker paul ryan, we're going to hear from him. >> he'll hold a press conference two hours from now. >> hillary clinton at 9:30. we're carrying that live. >> might be a little bit later. >> it's now 10:30. >> then we will have paul ryan around 11:15. the question for him is going to be what is his message now? what does he say to talk about the unity we're discussing. >> we shall see. >> we're in the "saturday night live" studio. you know the episode, willie, joe, with kate mckinnon and hillary clinton, the two --
>> bartender. >> celebrating at the bar. >> i know. >> donald trump as their opponent. >> how many times have we heard this story before. chris matthews loves to tell this story about how they started celebrating in 1980 when ronald regan won the republican nomination. reagan went on to a landslide. kids, if you're like taking notes at home, keep your head down and do what al franken said, work your tail off until the final vote comes in. the president of mexico has tweeted this morning. >> oh. >> it seems to be what all the kids are doing. and he's tweeted his congratulations to donald trump. >> that's awkward. "new york times" columnist frank rooney joins us next. you're watching "morning joe."
with us now "new york times" columnist -- >> i'm trying to get the words right in his piece. he writes in "the new york times" about donald trump's shocking success, quote, donald trump was just elected the 45th, take in, people, president of the united states. yes. soon to take a seat at the most important desk in the most a gust office in the most consequential residence of the world, yes, donald trump. trump defied the predictions of pundits and pollsters, more than a few of whom foresaw an electoral college landslide for hillary clinton. that's what their numbers told them, but that's not what america had to say. democrats are in the same position that republicans were when trump romped their party's nomination which they were convinced for so long he could never get. how they arrived to the surprising humbling destination.
>> this is not a morning for the republican establishment to celebrate. >> right. >> this is a morning that the republican establishment gets smashed into a million little pieces. >> a lot of these people campaigned against donald trump. they came out defiantly against him. this aspect of trumpism, that aspect of trumpism. what happens when they're on the same party side and talking about legislation. >> paul ryan said earlier that, hey, i share a lot of donald trump's values. no, he doesn't. paul ryan is as free trade as donald trump is protectionist. paul ryan, you can go down the list of five or six key items that have defined paul ryan's
political life. he's on the opposite side of donald trump. >> not just paul ryan, how many republicans came out and said we abhor everything donald trump represents. donald trump is not the republican party. this is not what we stand for. now he is president wearing the republican tag and how are they going to react to him and what happens now? >> willie? >> steve, i'm thinking about how we look at how donald trump won, the voters that have propelled him into the white house. joe touched on it earlier. conversation that we all had with joe biden at the convention in july where he said the democratic party doesn't talk anymore to the guys i grew up with in scranton, pennsylvania, the white working class guys. the conversation we had with michael moore. he has a documentary out about trump voters. >> fascinating. >> not mocking them, understanding them. he said, watch out for these guys in places where i grew up, flint, michigan, michigan, wisconsin. what's the lesson going forward for republicans and democrats. >> first of all, usually when you have a candidate who wins
the presidency, they defeat the other party. he's the president-elect who not only defeated his opposition party, but he blew up the republican party, too. he took out two parties. so the party of ronald regan, of both bushes, that party doesn't exist anymore. >> it's over. >> it's over. it's something new. i don't know quite what that looks like over time, but don't under estimate the cultural condesencion heaped on millions of these working class americans by elites in this country. their god is mocked. their service to the country is mocked. the fact that their patriotism, they get teary eyed when they see the flag. their values are scorned and you saw this massive resentment manifest itself in this campaign and it's a huge part of it. >> mike -- and you didn't have enough people in washington, d.c., and enough people in our business spending time trying to
understand those voters because every time we would have that conversation there would always be someone around the table saying, oh, you want us to understand bigots? people that are xenophobic? that's not how joe biden saw it. you traveled around with joe biden. joe biden understood the democratic party was in trouble going into this election. >> well, do not ever under estimate the resentment factor that's out there in this country toward a lot of institutions, towards a lot of business institutions, a lot of political institutions, and especially towards the media. and frank and i were just talking about it off camera. and we have a role and a responsibility that we fulfill to a large extent pretty well, but in one vital area we don't fulfill it at all, and that is when we do it on tv, last night on election night, when we do it on newspapers orion line publications, look like and write about hyphenated america.
20-year-old high school graduates, 27-year-old white women. it's hyphenated america. >> right. >> we look at a lot of people, a lot of really, really decent, hard working people as if they're lab experiments. the white or poor black worker. it's a lab experiment. let's find out what their lives are like. >> what's the matter with kansas? what's the matter with this group? what's the matter with that group? i mean, the fact is, mika, that i have always found people vote their self-interests. if anybody thinks that all of those people went out to make a statement against multi-culturalism, this ism or that ism. they don't understand what works for people. they went out there for what they believed to be their own economic interests. they came out in waves, and as frank and steve said, they blew up both parties in the process. >> the impossible became the