tv The 11th Hour With Brian Williams MSNBC November 9, 2016 11:00pm-11:31pm PST
outside this building on fifth avenue in new york city tonight and on sixth avenue in new york city tonight we saw protesters arriving. they were determined, they walked almost half the length of the island of manhattan, you see there new york, philadelphia, seattle, and chicago. the list is long of cities where tonight spontaneous protests popped up against donald trump and about the results of last night's election. that is the backdrop so far. if crowds have been mostly peaceful. they did manage several thousand people in new york city tried to get around the base of trump tower. broadcast. fortified overnight. we want to begin our broadcast before we talk about last night's results before we talk about where this election stands. governor chris christie of new jersey for purposes of this conversation is heading up the trump transition and has been
but last night that job got very serious in a big hurry and governor, considering the fact that none of the polls were predicting what happened last night, we were all wrong, all of the known polling was wrong, how much of a shock was it inside trump world that this happened? >> well, listen, i think everybody heard the polling, brian, and had seen the polling that was out there publicly. we had always had faith that we felt the election was going to be significant closer than the polls predicted would be and last night the victory was a very, very good moment for the campaign and i think it was a good moment for the country. >> was there one of those moments like in the movie "the candidate" with robert redford sits on the bed and says "what do we do now?" was there a reckoning that the power and privileges of the office were going to be transferred to this man from new york?
>> there certainly was not a moment of "what do we do now" because we've been prae parg for what you would do since may when donald trump asked me to lead the transition. under the new law operating in the country, both the trump campaign and the clinton campaign have been working on a transition since may and doing so really assiduously but quietly and i think there's no question that i saw in the president-elect last night a real recognition that he was going to be the 45th president of the united states, a solemn nettie in that and he understands he's going to be the leader of the free world and the responsibilities that come with that. >> what did he make of hillary clinton's appearance, her concession remarks today, and the campaign she ran? >> well, first of all the remarks were very, very gracious and i know because i was with
him when it happened last night that they had a very, very gracious, respectful phone conversation last night. listen, she ran a very, very tough campaign and the fact is that she's -- as he said? the third debate that one of the things that he admires about her the most is what a competitor she is. and how she continues to be tough and come back and i think the campaign was an example of that and so i think her remarks reflected her graciousness in defeat today and i know that their conversation last night was oneover mutual respect between the two of them after the really tough fight they that they had had throughout this campaign. >> all candidates say "we're going to win this thing" all candidates go all out at the end of the race including some in the modern era who have been told hours or days before, boss, it's not going to happen. do you know of any internal data or polling that was telling donald trump he was going to win this thing?
>> well, you know, i know we had internal polling that showed it to be much closer, brian, than what the polling was showing publicly. when you add in the margin of error i think you had hope. if exit polling provides certainty, last night will stand as a lesson to them as 2004 did when exit polling was telling people in john kerry was going to defeat george w. bush and that turned out to be far from the truth. and bush v. gore in 2000, we know that elections aren't over until they're over. but certainly we went into last night being buffeted by the public polling and the commentary that came along with it.
in addition to being governor of new jersey -- and that's running this transition. tonight's "new york times" still going with a subheadline "giuliani, christie, gingrich could get top positions." can you confirm or will you deny that those three names are in play, including your own? >> oh, listen, there are dozens and dozens of names in play, brian. and those decisions will be made by the president-elect and the vice president-elect. and we had a large transition meeting today. we're going to continue to have those meetings going forward. but here's the good news for the american people -- we have a team of over 100 people working since -- those numbers, working since after the convention in july to prepare for a potential trump presidency. they've been working everyday. we're ready for what we call day next which is november 9, today, the day after the election.
and so, you know, we're ready with a whole variety of things, not just personnel. we're reviewing the current agencies in the government so we know we can go into january 20 and allow the president-elect and the vice president-elect to hit the ground running. >> was he in your meetings today? >> he was not. the vice president-elect was but he was not. >> are you going to rely on the established gop bench or are you going to rely on the team that got donald trump to the dance including and up to steve bannon? to everyone, including those who were involved with the campaign, those who were not directly involved in the campaign, we're going to give people who have been in government service prior an opportunity to be looked at. we're going to give those who
come from the private sector and had no government experience a chance. told us is that he wants to have the best group of people that he can possibly assemble who will help him to implement the vision that he laid out in the campaign and those are the kind of people we're looking for and those are the kind of people i'm confident we'll be able to identify for him, for him ultimately to make those selections because let's not forget, the transition organization that i've been leading since may doesn't make these selections. the president-elect makes these selections. >> so steve bannon, who came from breitbart has been well chronicled as kind of turning the campaign in more of an alt-right direction could very well end up with a job in this thing going forward? >> brian, i'm not going to talk about who may or may not end up with a job because. i've gotten to know steve during the course of this campaign.
and dozens of others on the trump campaign, both those who are there now and those who have run the campaign previously. and i think he will also want to have people in government that represent that experience, no one american this process is important except for the president-elect who will be making those choices. >> last time you sat here with us in this studio, i asked you if bridge gate cost you the vice president slot under donald trump. since then, two of your former aides have been convicted. do you think it will further cost you a potential role in the cabinet? >> i think exactly what i said
0to you at the time brian was you asked me if i contributed to it, not if it cost me the vice presidency, and of course it does. table to be considered for any position weighs as part of a factor that candidates will look at. but, no, i have no concerns about that because i will tell you what happens at the trial that the judgment that i made in january of 2014, which was that there were three people responsible for that fiasco was confirmed by the jury. they also held three people, the very three people that i held responsible, the u.s. attorney's office and the federal jury held responsible. now it's a sad one because it's going to end up with people going to jail but the good news is that once again three investigations later it was confirmed and even better yet the judgment i made in 24 hours after january 14 after three
investigations and three years was confirmed as well, the jury agreed with me. >> if offered a job by donald trump, would you vacate your job as governor of new jersey to take it? >> very much depends upon what job was offered, whether it was something that i thought could really contribute to moving the country in a new direction as i've been trying to do both when i ran for president and in my assistance to the president-elect since i endorsed him at the end of february of this year. so it depends. it depends on what if any job was offered and then, you know, myself and mary pat will talk about it and we'll see if it's something we want to do and continue in public service or not. point because nothing has been offered and if it is we'll
i've got a big job to do, which is help to present this the best way we can to the president-elect and help to put other people in place and policies in place for he and the vice president-elect to select so that we can hit the ground running with this new administration on january 20. >> just two more questions and thank you for your time, what do you make and do you know what donald trump makes of the pictures we showed at the top of the broadcast tonight, truly spontaneous and large protests in cities from coast to coast? >> well, you know, first off, that's one of the great american traditions is that people have the right to peacefully assemble and protest and have the right to express their views and you know, brian, this is a very emotional campaign. there are lots of emotions running on both sides of this campaign, i don't know how spontaneous they really are, i'm always a little skeptical about things being characterized as spontaneous when they happen in multiple cities across a continental nation like ours but
nonetheless people have the right to peaceably assemble and protest as long as people are not hurt and laws are not broken they have the right to do that and so, you know, i have no idea what the president-elect's take on it is, i have not spoken to him this evening, but my take on it is these things will happen especially after a highly charged emotional campaign that went on for the better part of 18 months in this country. you can't shut it off, that emotion and that energy and that commitment overnight. and so that will be changed but i think that the president-elect's speech last night really is going to go a long way towards beginning the healing of those divisions that always crop up when we have hard-fought political campaigns when people are taking differing views. >> can we agree, perhaps, these protests weren't scheduled, say, yesterday afternoon before the idea was conceivable to anyone of a donald trump presidency? >> well, you know, listen, you don't know, you don't know if people were making contingency
plans or not but the bottom line is this, brian, people have the right to peaceably assemble and protest, they can do so if they're upset with the election results but the fact is that our election system, when there was so much discussion of this during the tail end of the campaign, our election system yesterday worked the way it should. exercise their franchise to vote for the leader of our country. those votes were counted and tabulated, the electoral votes were allocated and there was a winner. and a clear winner, and a clean winner and there was a cop -- concession by mrs. clinton, secretary clinton to the president-elect and you will see the peaceful transfer of power on january 20 from president obama to president-elect trump and that's something that everybody in this country should
celebrate whether you voted for mr. trump or secretary clinton or one of the other candidates on the ballot. >> final question and we'll let you go, somehow this going to work tomorrow? and by that i mean i think everyone agreed president obama was beyond gracious in his remarks today. i think the last time they were in the same room together was that chilly evening at the correspondent's dinner where the president just had line after line and received a chilly response from donald trump and donald trump spent the interscreening years among other things questioning the president's legitimacy because he questioned the nation of the president's birth. how -- which donald trump is going to show up at the white house tomorrow -- the man we have watched during the campaign or a changed man already in the 24 hours since learning of his new mantle? united states will show up tomorrow at the white house to meet the current occupant of that office and i think both of
these men understand the really great responsibility that has been placed on them by the american people and i think you will see tomorrow much of what you saw last night from the president-elect, he put forward a very gracious, inspiring speech last night to the american people thanking them for the trust and faith they placed in them and speaking very candidly about how difficult the campaign was and how much he was committed to being the president of all the american people. and i think that's the spirit that he'll bring to the meeting tomorrow with the president and i think the president will bring that same spirit to that conversation and he displayed that spirit in his remarks as well even though he made some very pointed remarks not only that evening, and i was there as well at the correspondent's dinner in washington, d.c. about the president-elect but also during the campaign as late as the night before election day.
the president made some very pointed remarks but that's a political campaign and these are two mature men, mature leaders who will meet tomorrow to begin that greatest of american political actions, the peaceful transfer of power from one president to another. we've been doing it now for 240 years nearly now, brian and we're going to continue to do it tomorrow and i look forward to watching the president-elect and the new first lady meet with the current president and the current first lady and i think it will give the american people great confidence to watch the president-elect interact with the current president no matter what the interaction was during the campaign and prior, those two gentlemen tomorrow i'm confident will show themselves to put the country first. >> chris christie, the sitting governor of new jersey and the standing head of the transition for donald trump and we learn tonight a potential future appointee by donald trump. governor, thank you very much for your time.
>> thanks for having me, i look forward to being with you again some time soon. >> thanks very much. at this point before we talk about what happened last night, how we got it so wrong going into last night, we'll take our first break, our panel is set and in place, our coverage continues right after this.
are joined electronically by the national political reporter for the "washington post," msnbc political analyst, our friend robert costa, radio show host charlie sikes is with us from the great state of wisconsin, more on that state later. white house and campaign trail veteran, msnbc political analyst nicolle wallace and nbc news senior political editor mark murray. mark, we're going to begin with you and you get to answer for an entire industry. i want to say this clearly and concisely and forthrightly, i know of no one who got it right, no one who saw this coming, we were all in it together, we all got it wrong. i quoted from you the night before the election talking about her electoral college advantage, the polls leaning clinton, what happened? >> number one most of us were all wrong and talking about the
public polls, the private campaign poll, chris christie you were just interviewing, he said it was tightening but he didn't say we had the lead or the best path to get to 270 electoral votes. the clinton campaign was incredibly confident, the other thing that went on is that the public polling in the national polls weren't all that far off particularly as we're getting more updates that it looks like hillary clinton not only has the popular vote lead but that might expand to a point or two. most national polls had it hillary clinton plus three or four. the results won't be that far off but to me the biggest miss of all had to do with the public polling we were seeing in states like wisconsin and pennsylvania which, after the james comey big bombshell announcement still had hillary clinton up four, five points in pennsylvania, her numbers had been in double digits in the keystone state and that big poll out of wisconsined that that had her up six points and that gave us an indicationing that that blue wall was still held up and if we knew it was a one-point race or tied race, race, when chuck todd
and i were doing our maps we would have said "this is a 50-50." but as long as it seemed like she held the advantage in those states after the james comey news it seemed that, boy, donald trump had the tougher path. >> i want to show the graphics of where we have this race, the electoral vote count first if we have it and certain news organizations have moved it up and down, 228 clinton, 279 trump and let's look at the popular vote. this has captured the talk around the country tonight. you referenced this, hillary clinton has about a quarter of a million popular vote advantage you said based on experience that might raise over the hours and days ahead. i was thinking back last night, andrew sullivan said on "hardball" last week that hillary was going to lose and donald trump was going to win. mark halperin in that very chair found various paths for donald
trump to win, days ago, weeks ago. but as you say, the public polling and as far as we know the internal polling of the campaigns just missed it and the expression is they missed the hidden trump vote across this country. >> there are no certainties, even in these forecasting models we say hillary clinton has an 85% chance or 95% chance. i was often telling people i'd rather be hillary clinton going to get 270 electoral votes than donald trump and there was always the possibility that you could end up having a black swan election but i was chatting with michael beschloss, the nbc presidential historian and you have to go back to 1948, the dewey/truman race to find a contest, particularly in the age that we have so much public polling, so many interviews
where you see at least where a race is headed. and to me also very importantly in mid-october before the james comey announcement, hillary >> it feels like we sat down in 1948, nicolle was here -- >> i left you an hour ago. >> we sat down at 6:00 p.m. eastern and got up at 4:00 a.m. from our chairs after covering this wild story. where are your thoughts today? your reaction to what chris christie said and your reaction to our discussion about polling. >> >> you deal in political science, i'm more on the arts side of the industry so it's not the what, it's the how and i think the how we got this wrong is that they were each viewed -- 60% of the public disapproved of each candidate yet we -- cultural leads in the media and political establishment of both parties, democratic political establishment, republican political establishment weighted his transgressions heavier. we felt i think as an establishment that the sound of his own voice on the "access
hollywood" tape saying those things was a graver transgression -- >> must be disqualifying. >> we called things disqualifying. well, it turns out the voters thought they were equally grave transgraegss. the voters felt all of the things that made her untrustworthy than him, setting up her own e-mail server, it's not just the crime it's the coverup -- i don't mean crime but sin. it took her so long and felt so tedious for her to have to explain that, felt like such skin off her back to explain that to voters. that was as big of a burden on her and as big of a drag on her as his verbal assaults on women, on muslims, on -- all the racially tinged language. voters canceled them out and then this was a one-point race. to voters it was a pox on both houses and if i don't like either one of you i'll go with him, curtain number two, the mystery basket. >> robert cost a, your reaction
to our lead interview with governor christie and your reaction to how much we got wrong. >> the christie interview was reflective of donald trump's inner circle. it's a small group, governor christie, jeff sessions, the alabama senator, steve bannon, the former head of breitbart, his family, son-in-law jared kushner and you do have the broader republican party, speaker ryan, leader mcconnell coming to trump making phone call, the bushes making phone calls but still around trump a small group. to your other question what we're seeing is a populous uprising among white working class voters. it was hard to see unless you were on the ground in states and even when i traveled to places like wisconsin and pennsylvania and saw this intensity in rural and suburban areas among white voters it was hard to write that in a story because you didn't want to oversell it but it was out there even if it wasn't showing up in polls.
>> robert, last night i kept saying it's about the lawn signs, the lawn signs all of us saw in actual america, not midtown manhattan, not the mall in washington, d.c., quickly, are you hearing of any movement, reportable movement inside trump world. >> i am. i hear governor pence is playing an important role in being liaison to the republican party, the republican party that sees an opportunity for conservative legislation but they don't have deep roots with donald trump in terms of a relationship. i hear trump himself is reluctant to make cabinet selections. he knows he's on a tight timetable but he didn't want to make any decisions until after the election so he's rushing in his own way to catch up. >> charlie sikes in wisconsin, what a long strange journey it has been for you and for your listeners on the radio and for your great state. donald trump carried wisconsin by, what, a point give or take? your reaction.
where are you when you realized it was going to happen last night? >> well, i was down in my basement looking at the same numbers you were looking at. >> you should have stayed in your basement. >> we wish we were in your basement. >> you ask how we got this wrong and we fell into our own confirmation bias because we thought it was inconceivable he would win and because we didn't think it was possible we told everybody it was impossible. and maybe there were things we didn't see. see in wisconsin, what i didn't see was the number of democrats who were going to stay home. the reality is donald trump got fewer votes than mitt romney four years ago in wisconsin but hillary clinton grossly underperformed. county, the biggest democratic county, she got 40,000 fewer votes than barack obama so one of the stories of this campaign is the intensity of the white working class voters, those forgotten voters who were insistent they were going to vote for donald trump who, by