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basement looking at the same numbers you were looking at. >> you should have stayed in your basement. >> we wish we were in your basement. >> you ask how we got this wrong and we fell into our own confirmation bias because we thought it was inconceivable he would win and because we didn't think it was possible we told everybody it was impossible. and maybe there were things we didn't see. see in wisconsin, what i didn't see was the number of democrats who were going to stay home. the reality is donald trump got fewer votes than mitt romney four years ago in wisconsin but hillary clinton grossly underperformed. county, the biggest democratic county, she got 40,000 fewer votes than barack obama so one of the stories of this campaign is the intensity of the white working class voters, those forgotten voters who were insistent they were going to vote for donald trump who, by the way, tuned out the media, tuned out folks like us, didn't want to hear it.
the other part of the story is, frankly, what an uninspiring campaign hillary clinton ran and what an uninspiring candidate she was. there are six million missing votes the democrats will have to figure out, how did she get six million fewer votes than barack obama? that's part of the story as well because we're focusing on this weird bizarre story of donald trump not really noticing that hillary clinton had failed to give voters any reason to vote for her and to a certain extent she was kind of the white noise and as the intensity picked up and robert costa saw this when he visited wisconsin how much the trump vote was motivated by the dislike of hillary clinton and the fact is that, you know, by the end of that campaign a lot of people were willing to hold their nose and vote for donald trump but she was not able to turn out her folks and, by the way, donald trump ran more than 70,000 votes behind senator ron johnson, think about that.
republican vote in wisconsin. >> charlie sykes out of wisconsin. nicolle, last word, where's your party right now? >> someone asked me the opposite question. this is connected because i think what the republicans have to figure out is whether they want to set him up to triangulate. their arms to him and try to share a common agenda or do they want to leave donald trump as a jump ball? he is the president-elect. if they want to get business done they have to sort of not wipe the slate on his past transgressions but at least move the conversation to a policy arena where there can be some consensus because i think donald trump correctly presumes he owes the republican establishment nothing and if he has an agenda that he can get done with democrats, such as remaking trade deals with say a bernie sanders as partner or -- you
know, he has no allegiance to either side so donald trump is the jump ball. if he has priorities, he'd be perfectly willing to cross the political aisle and work with a democrat that's willing to work with him if the republicans start by saying no way, no how. >> to our panel, mark, robert, charlie everyone is spent, everyone's exhausted, thanks for staying up late with us, we truly appreciate it. we had a lot of splaining to do, as a great man once said. when we come back, the role of the american women in this election. what happened with women and what happened to women as a result of last night's election, the 11th hour continues.
>> right now i'm scared. i really don't know what to think because i don't know when i'm going see my parents again. i just hope that donald trump, um, helps us citizens. >> diversity is what makes us, it's what we are. so i just feel like he's going to ruin that. >> we want things to be, you know, white male, rich guy nation and i feel really vulnerable. rich. bigotry and oppression and misogyny and racism has won in our state and nationwide was deeply upsetting and traumatizing to me. >> did someone say we were two nations? donald trump won this race
without winning women and without winning minorities. let's talk about it, nicolle wallace remains here with us and i also want to bring back to our broadcast heather mcgee, president of demos action, a progressive advocacy group. heather, what happened last night. >> ever since lyndon johnson signed the civil rights act, no majority of white voters has voted for a democratic president. and that's something that a lot of folks in white liberal enclaves don't actually really sort of absorb as a fact. but this has been a 50-year beautifully executed southern strategy to link otherization of people who are not white with all of the economic problems in the country and, most importantly, with the sort of idea of big government. and in some ways, donald trump -- and it's usually been subtle, ronald reagan perfected the dog
whistle talking about welfare queens, donald trump turned the dog whistle into a megaphone and he just came out and came down those stairs and said "mexicans are rapists and criminals." it really is shocking and i thk for many of us who work in multiracial spaces and who do multiracial advocacy and organizing, this is a moment when a lot of white americans are saying this is a conversation we need to have amongst ourselves about how someone who was endorse bid the ku klux klan could have won the majority of white voters. >> and nicolle, this was the path that no one believed was possible because it would require exactly what heather is talking about. >> not only that it wasn't possible but why would it be desirable? >> why would you want to run a party and win without women and minorities? women make up 53% of those who vote in a presidential election. no model prior to trump's win
had it feasible to win with shrinking numbers in any democrat graphic group, latinos and african-americans, and he did that. the conversation about race should be the first priority but the second or third should be a conversation about the cultural divisions and if there are walls up in our country they are sort of walls around the coastal elites and the way they think and what is really felt as a slur when we talk about flyover nation. we have serious cultural divisions, people know our national newscasts come from manhattan and they think what do you know about my life and that was, again, not putting it on par with how important this conversation is kbuz r because people are scared and afraid but there was also a conversation to be had and some understanding about how the republican party especially grew separated from
its own voters. >> there's also the class conversation, heather. i found it interesting, j.d. vance has written this beautiful controversial book, he grew up in ohio, went to -- was deployed to iraq and the marine corps, ends up at yale law school. it's culled "hillbilly elegy." so the east coast media types who have no real connection to america there's some place west of the jersey turnpike, they were summoning j.d. vance to speak about this but it's the folks who keep our streets safe and fight our wars and fight our fires and a class, a socioeconomic class that has risen up in serious numbers here tonight. think we talked so much about the white working class and donald trump and white men that we need to look at the data from last night. white women voted for donald trump by 10 points. so it was not just -- so the gender gap that happened was because of women of color and i
also want to say that i grew up in the midwest. i work with a woman who was also from middletown, ohio, where j.d. vance is from and she wrote a book about the working class that came out around the same time and her thesis is that there's a new working class in terms of who is making up the new working class, it's women, immigrants and people of color. >> very diverse. >> i think we have a lot of myths in this country. is he spun a lot of those myths but the people who keep our streets safe, the people who see our communities well are also women and people of color and immigrant so the shared leadership of this country is what's contested right now. it was a symbolic vote for many people who cast that vote, one
out of four trump voters, according to exit poll, didn't think he was qualified to be president. was going to be president, but they somehow got it into their lot of people in this country are very, very scared for their children and for their lives. >> that's going to have to pass as the sentiment we'll end this conversation on. thank you very much for coming in. nicolle, thank you. i happen to know how late you were at work. it was a long one. another break for us. we'll talk about how people are placing this in the long history of the united states and the history of our presidential elections when we continue.
>> i know how disappointed you feel because i feel it, too. and so do tens of millions of americans who invested their hopes and dreams in this effort. this is painful and it will be for a long time. but i want you to remember this -- our campaign was never about one person or even one election. it was about the country we love. >> someone pointed out hillary clinton wore the colors of mourning today but her remarks were very well received, as were the president's. to put this in perspective we call upon a wise man, as we always do, presidential historian and author michael beschloss actually here with us in new york and not in a box
from washington. >> where we're knees and feet and everything else. >> that's exactly right. >> for all the people walking around today. there are republicans, but there are mostly democrats thinking what just happened, how did this happen, how are we going to go on? talk them through a moment like this in american politics? >> well, i think one way is i sure wouldn't predict it but, you know, some presidencies that began in a way that you expected to -- that you expected to unfold a certain way they look very different in history. ronald reagan, many of those who voted for jimmy carter were horrified, not, perhaps, in the same way they are with donald trump right now by the end of the 1980s, ronald reagan was the man who did an awful lot to end the cold war and do some other things that democrats did not expect. >> is there any other model for a man who came completely private sector, no political or
civic experience prior? >> that's why we're having such a hard time, because one thing that both voters and historians all have to do, we're always looking at past record to give us an idea of how a person will behave in the future and with donald trump, you know, we don't know all that much about his business career. there's not a long record in congress or as a governor so this is much more uncharted territory and i think to some degree that's one reason why some of those people on the streets are nervous. >> i guess the last non-politician was eisenhower. and i was guessing last night that in realtime he was the last celebrity, though vastly different. he had won the titanic struggle overseas. donald trump is the first pure celebrity, really. >> i think that's right. and the other thing, you know, you and i have talked about this, too. eisenhower had been in the military but huge leadership experience as a general and also dealing with a lot of
politicians, presidents, and in congress. the thing with trump is, is he going to pull off these grand plans while really having had almost no political experience? >> you have faith, i assume, in his running mate, governor pence, in the checks and balances, even in a country where suddenly we wake up and we have single-party rule. what did the framers say about single-party rule. >> well, james madison was nervous about that but he also helped to build in certain safeguards to make sure that things didn't go too much off the tracks. and i think trump was recognizing the fact that he had certain deficiency. that's why he put mike pence on that ticket. he knew he didn't have washington congressional experience. he knew he needed some link to at least the recent traditions, the republican party and for republicans who are nervous i think that should be somewhat calming. >> and you and i both know, or
at least we think, tomorrow will go well because both men will make sure tomorrow's meeting goes well. >> i think both of us would make huge bets that tomorrow everyone is going to be saying amazing how well president obama and president-elect got along, almost seemed like best friends, how much the two first ladies got along in a way that 48 hours ago you never would have dreamt. >> we'll end on that. michael beschloss, what a thrill and honor it is to have you to be able to talk to our resident author and presidential historian, thank you so much. >> right back at you, brian, thank you for jg me. another break and when we come back, the changes afoot in the nation's largest city because it is suddenly home to
the a couple of things here before we go on the 11th hour, or whatever hour this is where you are. this is seattle, just one of the cities where we've had protests tonight. we've had police choppers and tv news choppers up and aloft in the skies over so many cities this evening, again, mostly peaceful protests but a lot of these have come out of nowhere, thousands of people here in new york just appeared out of nowhere after a long march. there's portland. a lot of people in the bay area tonight. for a lot of people this election hasn't gotten real yet but on the web it sure is beginning to look real. the trump/pence ticket now has a web site. this is a dot-goff.
it is greatagain.gov. there is the logo, president-elect donald j. trump. that's real. the nypd and secret service have a real task ahead of them as trump tower is right smack dab in the middle of mid-manhattan. that's tiffany's on the left and the police barricades were up for the whole campaign but now cement barricades are going up and trucks full of sand sitting outside to prevent attacks or terrorism. and there's this for the airspace over new york, a notice to airmen -- and they still call it airmen -- from the faa showing midtown manhattan, a flight restriction that expires 11:59, right before inauguration day when john f. kennedy gave a freaking terrifying speech to
>> tonight on "all in" -- >> donald trump is going to be our president. >> making sense of the most shocking event in modern political history. >> we are now all rooting for his success in uniting and leading the country. >> tonight, the twilight of the elites that brought us here and the terrified millions on the wrong side of trump's america. then, the resistance. >> not my president. >> not my president. >> as the establishment is dealt a fatal blow, who leads the next era of opposition? when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight the nation and the world are still reeling from the most shocking election result in american political history. for the first time since the founding of the republic, the american people elected a president who has never served in any kind of public capacity either in the government, military or anything else. someone who has trampled on some