tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC November 10, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
now it's time for the last word with lawrencee o'donnell. >> last night i suggested that elizabeth warren could be busy four years from now, running for president,ndnd i'm glad you narrowed tt t down and got her to admit that she's running for president. she didn't say ,, i'm not running for president. in politics, that means you're running for president. >> that meansns yes, with an exclamation point. >> she may not be the only woman in the senate running four years from now. we'll see. >> thank you. >> for a second night in a row, people are peacefully demonstrating against the elecection of donald trump in cities acrosshe country, including his hometown, new york city. milwaukee, baltimore, and just moments ago, the president-elect returned to twitter in c cssic protests.
people who spontaneously have risen up against them, he referred to them, as, quote, professional protests. that is, of course, a lie. and today, donald trump visited the oval office, where he met president obama for the first time, and also apparently for the first time he did not insult esident t obama. >> why do bad things happen to good people? e electoral college. >> more people in this country voted for clinton, not trump. >> so once again, donald trump college. with you. >> surreal to watch, knowing the history of the two of them. >> it is important for all of us to now come together, work together, to deal with the m man challenges that we face.
>> that doesn't mean that he agrees with dononald trump. it doesn't mean all the concerns he raised no longer apply. >> which donald trump are we working with? if it's the same donald trump that has shown himself don't want any parts of it. >> it looked to me as if he was starting to realize the weight of the job. >> you're probably looking at the map of the united states, an thinking, wait, how long has this walall got to be? >> i have learned how difficult politics can be,ut thatt doesn't mean you run away. >> get with us, oppose trump when he is wrong. >> pick yourself up, as the president said, and you fight even harder for o country, because it's ours. it's ours! >> the peaceful transition of por ritual that was begun at the white house today is performed as much for the world ast is for this country.
we take for granted the transition of power, but many countries do not. the president and pridenent-elect played their of the oval office script that has now been used for generations. >> i want to emphasize toyoyo mr. president-elect that we now are going to want to do everything we can t help you succeed, because if you succeed then the country succeeds. >> i very much look forward to dealing with the presidentn the future, including counsel. it was a great honor being with you, and i look forward to be being with you many, many more times in the future. >> there was a moment there we will show you later in our discussion where donald trum said i respect, and y you would have expected him to say president obama, but he didn't. it wasn' a at all clear what he respected. he just couldn't finish the
sentence that way, b because tru susuorters are not quite ready toear that, if ever. we'l'll have a full discussion a analysis of what we saw today. but first, in the coverage of today's ritual, there was an important historical fact that was st.. she won. she won the popular vote. hillary clinton got more votes than donald trump did. she won the presidential election held on election day, but that's not enough to win the elect a president on electio day. thee electoral college elects a president. monday after the second wednesday in december. now you kn you're deep in the rld ofof ritual when your meeting must occur on the first monday after the second wednesday in december. it sounds like you're deep into the world of cultish superstition. ose e words are actually written in law to specify whenhehe electoral college meets many of
the and just by reading them, just by saying them, you can feel the absurdity of the electoral college, how outdated it is. the electoral college is one of the most euring mistakesf the fndingg fathers. and the two men who designed the electoral college wod be horrified at what it has become. they believed that the way it operates today was unconstitutional. a serious violation of thehe spirit of the constitution. the constitution was written by men who did not trust voters. they didn't trust them completely. allowed voters to elect only members ofof the how long of representatives. the constitution said senators would be elected by state legislators. the founding fathers clearly thought that the job of senator was too importantnto be decided by the man on the street. and that was back when most
people couldn't vote. no women werellllowed to vote. no slaves were allowed to vote. and only certain kinds of men were allowed to vote. in some areas, you had to own property to vote, indicating that you werere a man of substance, a man of judgment, that's what the electors in the electoral college were supposed to be, because in alexand hamilton's words,s,hey needed to be men who possessed the information and discernment to make that decision. the electoral college was designed by alexander hamilton and james madison. their iaa was that on election day, voters would vote not for the president but for an elector. someone smarter than themselves who then would vote for president of the united states when the electoral college met at a later date. that date was formalized in lawa in 1887 as the first monday after the second wednesday in december.
the electors were free to vote for whoer they wanted to vote for for president. they believed that back then, new york state's is 12 electors each, could and should make up their own mind as to who the next presidentnt should be. new york might produce four votes for one candidate, three for anotr candidate, three for another then two for another. they didn't want new york state's electors to get togogeth and make aolitical deal toll vote for the same candidate. madison and hamilton became alarmed when they saw electors in some states realizing that they could do that, that they could get together and choose a candide. thee electors in certain states thenll banded together and voted for the same person so that their candidate would be more likely to win, and hamilton hated that. and he hated even more the idea that some of the electors wod
certain candidate for president. he didn't want electors who weren't going to think about who the best president would be. he didn't want electss who were pledged t to a candidate and won votes s from voters by pledging themselves to a candidate, which is exactly what w have right now. hamilton said that the point of choosing electors was to make sure that the president would b chosen, quote, by menost capable of analyzing the qualitiethat a president should have. hamilton didn't want robots in his electoralcollege. he thought thatouould be a violation of the constitutional description of how the electoral college should work. when he saw that the electoral college was being abused, hamilton actually wrote an amendment to the constitution to try to correct it,n amendment that was never passed. and so you win the presidency now, noty winning the most
votes. you win the presidency by winning the most robots in the electora college,, an anti-democratic eaea, an idea so anti-democratic that no democracy designed after ours has adopted the electoral college. for centuries for many developing dememocracies around the world, but none ofhem chose the ectoralal college. no one wants that. real democracies actually a allo people to vote directly for the president. she won the popular vote. that's what you hear. e pulular vote. a phrase that exists only in the united states of america. u u know what they call the popular vote in the rest of the world? the vote. you win the tete, you win the fice. and that isrue for every elective office in the united states from school committee to town council to alderman to mayor, to state legislator to congress, every single elected office in the united states
except the most important one, and of course, votes in the electoral college are not democratically distributed not fairly distributed according to population, wyoming only gets the electctoral votes. that's the least that any state can have. north dakota and south dakota get three votes. but wyoming has 586,000 people. south dakota has 300,000 more people than that, but it doesn't get one more electoral vote than wyoming. votes th wyoming. it just gets those three. so south dakota voters are not fairly represented in the electoral college as wyoming voters are. but california has 39 million people, and it only gets 55 electors in the electoral college.
if california voters got equal presenentation in the electoral college, california would get 1 99 electors. that is how this is. the electoral college was designed when california was still mexico. it was designed when the variation in population from state to state was nothing like the extremes that we see today. today's population numbers a the patterns of settlement ross the continent were unimaginable to the men who designed the electoral college, but we're stuck with it. this archaic device designed by men who did not trust voters. it would take a constitutional amendment to change it. which means we are stuck withtt for the unimaginable future. if we observed a foreign country using it when we go there to foreign countries as election no, no, you can't do that. can't do that.
i've been an election observer in foreign country on election day. watching people vote. and no one called it t pular vote. no one said i'm going to have to come back on the first monday after the second wednesday to watch a small group make the final decision about who the president should be. in any real democracy today, the president today wouould be hilla clinton. you can win the presidency through a political cardd trick called the electoral college. she got more votes. more people voted for hillary clinton than voted for donald trump. and we are now 48 hours into the discussion of what hillary clinton didn't understand about america. 48 hours into the discussion of what the democrats have to do w to change their message.
48 hours into the discussion of what the party and the candidate whgot the most vototes must do. to getet more votes. in order to actually win. only in america. that is a discussion that c happen only in america. where winning the election is not enough to win the office of the presidency. winning the most votes, not enough. that's what winning the election is in a real democracy, winning the most votes. the world knows this. we have embarrassed ourselves to e world once again. with the world watching, twice in 16 years now, the winner of the vote was notwornrn in as president of the united states. dootot expect the world to understand that. do not expect the world to admire our democracy. alexander hamilton would be horrified to see the perversion
united states got his twitter machine back, and he's already complaining about peaceful protests againststis election, and lying about those protests, saying that they are professionalprotests. the one in new yk cityty is taking place,s you see there, right front of his home and office building, trump tower. to what happened today in the oval office.
i have great respect. the meeng lasted for almostn hour and a half. and it could have, as far as i'm concerned, it could have gone on for a lot longer. >> joining us now, msnbc political analyst, and april ryan with amecan urban radio networks. fascinating home in there was when donald trump said "i have great respect", and hedidn't say, there was no word, there was no object, , as they say, in that sentence, because i think he realized that if he were to say, as would logically make sense in the words he was saying
there, i have great respect for present oba,a, that would be stantly horririfying to all o his supporters who heard exactly the opposite from him for oh, over five years now. >> yeah. well, lawrence, you know, and i picked up on that as well, but when i walked into, i w was part of the pool thatt walked into th oval office today, a just that sight alone was, was stunning. to see these two men who have been fighting for a while and the c crescendo moments have haened in thehe last couple days, the accusations and the name-calling and things back and forth, and then election day happened, and they called for their better selves, and today we saw both of them calling on their better selveves to sit her for the greater good of the country. anwhat strucuck me, lawrence, is when i heard donald trump say he would look to president obama for counsel.
>> yes, yep. >> because i had to do a double take when i was in the ovaval officehehe said wait a minute, did he say that? he did. and we pressed josh earnest. i asked him, how does that look? what is the construct of that, talk to us about how that happens. and he said something, josh earnest s said something on how president obama has calledd on george h.w. bush on occasions. i talked to bill clinton a couple years ago, he said he had actually talked to george w. bush about some issues to include, trying toorork out the pricing for drugs for those in africa, with hiv and malaria and things of that nature. so it really struck me. i don'tnow if it was surreal, but it was a very serious d for the good of the country. bothth men had not agrd before, but they are doing it for the
good of the country. and it seemed like a real moment. an hr and a half is not a short time for the president of the united states and for this president-elect. >> so jonathan alter, it turns out t nald trump went beyond the known maximum of his attention span and went to 90 minutes. but what we know with absolute certainty is today was the day in donald trump's life where he spoke tohe wisest man he has ever spoken to about government. >> i think he may have realized that. that was the look o trump's face, kind of like i got a little more than i bargained for here, and i better learn from the presenent about how to be prprident, which could be very productive and helpful for the country. obama, as i found out when i was him, was very appreciative of george h.w. bush or george w. bush's help in the transition, so he w wants to be really helpf to trump, but he can also get something out of that, which is maybe a little bit o trump's
time when it comes to deciding which of those executive orders to repeal. remember, trump has committed to repealing some, but not all, of obama's executive orders. obama is very concerned, rightly, with his legacy. if he can help trump become president, be, you know, a succesul president in n his early days, maybe in exchange, because trump is a deal maker, trump, who's not an ideological guy, will not repeal everything that obama did. >> my personal bet is he probably, the thing the president probably stressedd the most is do not try to undo this iran deal, but let's listen to what elizabeth warren just said to rachel in the last hour. let's listen. >> donald trump did not get the majority of americans voting for him. they did not. that's not how it worked in this election. that means he will have certain tools, but we are the american
people. and we speak for the american people. and weave the values that hav made us a strong country. >> april, i'm hoping evevery discussion of where we are today begins with "donald trump did not get the majority of americans vototg for him ". discussion in the white house. but i can say this. he's very well aware of the fact that, donald trump is on twitter as wee know and on social media. i'm sure he's aware of that fact. the fact that he has to ufy those who are in his corner and those who support hillary clinton as well as b bernie sanders as well as elizabeth warren who voted for hillary clinton. so, at issue is how does unification work out for him. what does that l lk like?
and from the way undstanand it, what, a lot off that rhetori that was on the road leading up to his win to the oval office to become number 45, i understand he may not come back with that. some of that may begone. this is what i'm hearining. it remains toe seen, but if he indeed tries to do that, that is unification of tho who voted, the more, the most votes that voted for hillary clinton versus him and trying to unify his hillary clinton's people did. >> jonathan alter, it turns out, if you go back far enough in donald trump's twitter feed you can find spots where you aee with him. donald trumpmp said, the elector college is a disaster for democracy. i'm going to have to retweet that tomorrow. >> that's great. clearly it is right now. i think one of the things people
can do to channel this anger at the electoral college is at least learn about what's called the national popular vote compact, npvc. what it is, state legislatures determine the details of their electors. and 13 states have declared that their electors have to vote for the popular vote winner, when it gets to 25, we won't need a constitutional amendment, it will be the end of the electoral collllege, because it will be a mamajority committed to being wi the winner. so if pennsylvania, if the three states had, hillary clinton would be president. people do not understandd that there is a way to reform and get rid of the electoral college without a constitutional amendment, it's a tiny bit complicated, but these states commit tooting f for the popular
there, we've gotten 13 of them in the 15 years since the 2000 election, and people can work in their state legislatures to get every state to commit to this. >> if y y are wahing this from a foreign country, you m might b tempted to use a word like "rigged", or something like that. thank you both for joining me tonight. appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. upnext, donald trump is back on twitter, which means he's lying once again. and about these protesters of the united states got back to
the united states got back to twitter and, of course, lied. he tweeted now professional protesters incited by the media are protesting. very unfair. msnbc's cal perry is outside trump tower in new york city. >> reporter: i'm joined by diamond and michael. now professional protesters incited by the media are protesting. donald trump exclamation point. what's your impression? >> this guy's crazy. nobody's paying us to be here, wee doing what our democracy allows us to dodo. >> i'm not a professional protester, i'm here because i
want to be. >> reporter: this is much like a rally, a campaign rally. we'll get the pro-trump folks come by,ell at the media, yell at these folks. the other thing talking to new york city police officers, this is a protection nightmare. 56 stories of a glass building in the middle of downtown manhattan, this is going t be a chchlenge. >> it's really changed traffic patterns in that area and the way of life in that neighborhood. >> reporter: yeah, traffic is backed up all the way down fifth avenue. in talking to some of these officers, thehe'soo place to land a helicopter.
time to the. i ththink we're goi to do some absolutely spectacular things for the american people. we hook forward to starting. in fact, truthfully, we can't get started fast enough. so we had a very good memeeting. >> after meetiting with preside obama, donald trump met with the twtwtw men who control his legislative agenda. house speaker paul ryan and senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell said his meeng ryan described it this way. >> wonderful, wonderful. >> you're not just saying that. >> no, i'm not just saying that, wonderful. >> a month ago, exactly aonthth ago, dononald trump said this about thmann he had a wonderful meeting with today. >> paul ryan, you know, open borders and amnesty and lots of
-- and bad budgetstsy the way, very, very bad budgets. franan the only one that obama negotiates well with is paul ryan with the budgets, because that's the only negotiation he can win. >> if you're elected president, you're going to need mccain, and you're goioi to need ryan. >> they'll be there. i would think that maybe ryan wouldn't be there, maybe he'll be in a different position. i wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with a lot of these people, let me tell you, includuding ryan. >> including ryryan. >> i got that. >> joining us now, sam stein, and a great guy to be in a foxhole with, and michael medved.
i've been saying all year when trump would go on these rants about people like paul ryan, that the president spends good deal of the time begegging these people to get packages through. >> i don't think begging is appropriate, but i think's appropriate to respondhe way mr. ryan did, which isoo cut mr. trump some slack, if you ok at the video that you're showing the whole world here, one of the things mr. trump said today, he said barack obama was a very good man. now that's a very good thing for him to say. it's obviouslytrue, and i believe ththe honestly is trying to sorort of put some of the excesses of his previous 70 years of life behind him and to become presidential. and i think that what patriots should to, wheer they're left, encourage that. bebeuse what president obama said today was emphatically true, which is the only way for america to succeed is to have a successful president. shouldn't, no one should repeat the misis that some
conservatives made when obama became president and say we want him to fail. i didn't support trump, but i want him to succeed, because i want my couountry to succeed. >> sam stein, there's donald trump a ntnth oo talking about paul ryan's very, very bad budgets. donald trump is going to be handed one of those, or i mean the ritual is that the president hands a sketched-out budget to the congress, which the congress alwa ignores, and then they write their open and hand it t back to the president. >> so i keep going back to a story that came out over the summer. i believe in the "new york times" magazine, i might be ong, and it detailed h donald trump was offerin the vice president's shot to john kasich. and the basic premise of the story was this, was that donald trump wanted to give john kasich the domestic and foreign policy portfolios of the white hououse while he, donald d trump, went a madedehe country great, ostensibly through pr exercises, which i think is what his
interest is primarily in. did that deal offered to john kasichendd to mike pence? and if it did extend to mike pence, is what you are looking at is the possibility of conservative budgets authored by a very conservative republican-run hse and senat becoming law by donald trump having no interest in the details. that is a shock to the system of liberals. they could see a lot of president obama's legacac torn away from them. what they have to hang onto is that donald trump is unpredictae. and maybe he will want to gain control and he won't give all that responsibility that he promised to mike pence and john kasich. democrats will hav to figure out,ow much c can t they use carrots, and howucuch can they use sticks going forward. >> a conservative republican budgets like to take money out of social security and take money out of medire, because those are giant piles o o money, effect.
>> and donald trum has said he doesn't want to do any medicare cuts at all. doesn't want to do any social security cuts at all. >> yes, he has. he b been very explicit on that and i don't believe that h he's going to walk thatat back. i don't think he's going to mess with entitlements, and i don't think there's any eagerness on the part of paul ryan or mike pence to fht president trump on entitlements. what ihinknknkill be very telling will be what his first iorities are. and people are talking about the very first priority will be an infrastructure bill, some stimulus spending to get the economy going, to createe some jobs. there are a lot o of demococrats will join in that effort.
and d i think, if they can actually begin accomplishing things of that nature, if, if they can do tax reform, i s spok today on my show to larry kudlow who's goingo be one of, i believe, one of preresident trump's major economic advisers, they're talking about doing tax reform. if the democrats insist that any tax reform should actuallll also do something to reduce the a great position to take, there are all kinds of deals to be made. he really is a great deal maker. we'll see. >> s so sam, what i and donald trump, the only tngng h talkedd abouthe other night was infrastructure spending, house republicans do not like, and they haven't gone for. but what if the deal, the paul ryan/mitch mcconnell deal is, re, p president trumump, here's your infrastructurebill, it is paid for with cuts from medicare. million dollar question. what does he do at that juncture? you know, i keep thinknking that trump has p promised his supporters an incredible set of
realistic visions that they can both get all their jobs back that have been gone away from decades of globalization that has nothing to do reallll with politics, th theyy can see border wall constructed that mexico will somehow pay for and that will stop heroin from coming into their communities. i don't know how that works necessarily. some point in time reality will hit the road. the question is, does it hit sooner or later? an i is trump the guy who makes that happen? so does he go and say, you know what, i'm wrong, i'm going to cut your medicare. i'm not going to do the wall, or does he let that message be delivered by the republican and i'm not re w wt happens. >> thank you b bh for joining us. read on trump voters.
across this country who voted for himecause they are angry about what's happening in this country, because they are worried about what's happened in this country, and b because they are hopeful that hee is someone whwho will comen and break a system that is not working for them. economically. it is not working for them politically. >> and one of the states where those umump voters lives wisconsisi as the results came in on tuesday night, steve kornacki went to the boards and showed us what it looks like when democrats lose in wisconsin. >> look at this s sea of red in wisconsin, a state that last voted fo a r republican 32 years ago in 1984. what did this look like just four years ago? look at all that red in the obama election, look all that blue. donald trump has taken them and
turned them red tonight in wisconsin. congressman representing years before retiring in 2010. thank you for joining us tonight. >> what happened in wisconsin? >> well, it's been happening for the last 30 years. i mean, in 1986, and then again in '96, i issued this report when i was chairman of joint economic committee, talking about income dispaty in the country an how wages hadeen suppressed. ifif you take a look at what has happened, tax policy, retirement policy, moving from defined benefits, retirement program to 401(k)s, which is a rip-off for worker, nafta, a steady progression of events that has
been seen by many middleclass, blue collar and white collar workers as being against their interests and helping create more miserable economic conditions and what happened is those workers finally had it. yes, trump appealed to rasm, and yes, there were some racists who got sucked up by that, but that wasn't the main problem. the main problem is that this cotrtry has had a policy for the lalast 30 yrsrs that has not bee workrkrk friendly, and the secon thing that's happened to wisconsin is labor has been destroyed as a political operation in wisconsin. the governor and the legislature wipedut much of uninion protection in that state. the labor movement used to be the transmission belt for information that would get information about these issues
back to the grassroots. that's virtually gone now, and so that also really, really hurt democrats i in the election. >> what did those voters who used to vote for dave obey, what did that t t you about why they couldn't vote for hillary clinton? >> i think it's because she was seen as the person who was in office. she has been around a long time. they were trying to send a message that they wanted, they wanted a really strtrg departure from pasas policies. and they didn't see hillary as getting that. the other problem is simply that for 30 years, she has been pounded like nobody in public life. and so after 30 years, ittt take its toll. >> chairman dave obey, former chairman of the house appropriatio c committee. >> thahank you. coming up, how the world is
trust number one doctor recommended dulcolax use dulcolax tablets for gentle overnight relief suppositories for relief in minutes and stool softeners for comfortable relief of hard stools. dulcolax, designed for dependable relief following the tradition of phone chats with leaders around the recacalled would. but asf n now he has not yet spoken to germany's angela merkle. russian president vladimir putin was within of the first to reach out to donald trump after the
russian president vladimir putin was within of the first to reach out to donald trump after the election. the trump campaign always denied contact with the russian government, but today russia's deputy foreign minister said there were contacts with trump's team. obviously, we know most of the people from his entourage, i cannotot say all of them, but quite a few have been staying in touch with russian representatives. joining us, senior editor at fusion and a senior fellow at atlantic council. ucuch. trump's speech in april, the major foreign policy speech, which richard burt worked on.
that's regular contact with the russian government. and, youknow, carter p paige and general flynn who has been a, has made paid appearances at russia today, the propaganda channel. so it't's an opening secret, a g that's saying that they're a little more ongoing than t tse earlier meetings. i think these guys, some of them work for them. this is the k street lobby that russia has bought, and much of it is in the trump family. >> fex, where do you tnk donald trump needs to direct his attention, most of his attention in his first, say, 90-100 days around the world? >> right now, angela merkle is thee leader of nato, riright? >> yes. >> she h h na, because he doesn't want it. and so he needs to decide whether that's something that he wants to get behind or something that he doesn't.
internationally, that's all tha matters. >> according to the campaign, his s rst set of p phone callsnn that is supposed to be calling up countries saying pay your dues, pay your dues. >> right, it's not a great look. our entire history, we have this american hedge mawn, he's decided he doesn't want to do that anymore, he'd much more deal with the russians. that's turning the entire internatnal ororder on its head. you can'n' thahat in the first 90-100 days, but where there's a vacuum, i think merkle will step in. >> vladimir putin will be very couraging to donald trump, make them pay dblbling their dues. >> mrs. merklkle oddly enough is moving toward the 2% share gdp. oddly, some of the people he's not yet communicated with are f fllining that promise.
i do think that we should be a little more kind of wary of the idea that putin, that putin is going, i think putin's going to try to manipulate trump. but ii don't know if it's going to work. >> whahat is the putin agenda? >> it was chaos and disorder within the alliance, doubts. i think he likes the idea of a a tar key that the united states pulls out of relationships. so i think that fits his bill much more so than some concord act with russia. >> whatt about trump and putin i a discussion aboutukraine? >> i think trump will do trump was the one who famously came out and said during the campaign and said oh, yeah, putin hasn't invaded ukraine. he's cpletely got the russian points down cold. there's going to be no opposition. buy off greedy politicians.
greedy politician. >> what invesestmt imperatives might be involved in donald trump's dealing with russian leadership? there are all these suppositions that he has some sort of deep, capitalntnterest in his investnts.s. should be aware of, that there is another group of niemi that entourage, senator corker, sessions, newt gingrich who are nott of the same ilk as general flynn. the two tendencies. >> it's going to be amazing to watch. tonight. really apprecie it. msnbnblive coverage continues now into "the 11th hour with