tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC November 11, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
person would change the democratic party. that announcement, that interview will be happening here monday night at 9:00. aren't you curious as to who it is? watch this space. >> now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> you've got to tell me who it is, because we're going to have a discussion of the race for the next campaign chair. and you've got to include every possibility. >> won't be complete, you'll have to revisit after my show on monday. my lips are sealed. >> we will discuss the "state of the race" as of tonight, prior to the next rachel maddow show. >> those are the right bets to hedge. >> there has been a third night of protests in cities across the country against the election of donald trump. this is a live shot of what's happening in miami right now.
today donald trump began filling up his transition team with family members, big donors and lobbyists. so much for draining the swamp. he also began admitting that he's not going to do what he said he was going to do as a candidate. and if you're surprised by that, you are what the industry calls a low-information voter. >> i think i have to keep saying this just so i know it's real. but donald trump will be the next president. >> this is someone who was very, very clear and declarative about his personality, his tendency, the way he thinks. >> when it's over, we respect the will of the american people. >> the talk of the day is transition. >> it can't be. rudy giuliani and newt gingrich. >> mike pence is in as the head of donald trump's presidential transition, and trump's children
are assuming many of the leading roles. >> hey, don senior, if you're trying to tone down the whole -- >> i'm particularly appreciative of the way the president handled it. >> all that was missing was the tee shirt that said "i'm with stupid." >> he got him excited to do his favorite thing, evict a black family from their home. >> this is like batman handing the keys to the cave over to the joker. >> hillary clinton got more votes than donald trump, but donald trump will become the next president because of a political card trick on december 19th when the electoral college meets to override the will of the people for the second time in 16 years, and trump voters
should now be seeing that donald trump will become president because of tricks that he played on them. >> we need a special prosecutor to look into hillary clinton. [cheers and applause] and we have to investigate the investigation. >> if you're one of the trump voters who voted for him, just fell in love with him, because he was going to "lock her up", here is what he said today when he was asked by the wall street journal if he's going to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate hillary clinton. >> it's not something i've given a lot of thought. trump supporters certainly have given it a lot of thought. they've given it a lot of emotion, a lot of chanting. they've got a lot of hillary for prison tee shirts and worn them proudly, and now he says it's
not something he's give and lot of thought. who can forget that the candidate who knows absolutely nothing about health insurance had to say about president obama's landmark insurance law. >> we've got to terminate. we've got to repeal obama care. we've got to have great health care, this is a disaster. we're going to repeal obamacare and come up with something that's so much better and less expensive. >> and today donald trump told the wall street journal, either obamacare will be amended, never said that before, amended or repealed and replaced. and so now repealed and replaced just might be amended. the democrats have been trying to amend obamacare to improve it since shortly after they passed it. it's very common to amend major legislation. social security and medicare have been amended dozens of
times since they were passed. today donald trump told 60 minutes there are some things he likes about obamacare. >> let me ask you about obamacare, which you say you're going to repeal and replace. when you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with preconditions are still -- >> yes. because it happens to be within of the strongest assets. >> you're going to keep that. >> also with the children living with their parents for an extended period. we're going to try to keep it. it adds cost, but it's something we're going to try to keep. >> obamacare allows children up to the age of 26 to be included on their parents' health insurance, and they don't have to be living in the parents' home. and of course obamacare does not allow insurance companies to deny care to people with preexisting conditions. and that's the right thing to do. it sounds humane. people with preexisting
conditions should be able to get health insurance. what donald trump does not understand is that once he says he wants to retain the part of obamacare that allows people with preexisting conditions to get health insurance, then he is stuck with almost the all the rest of obamacare, because when you force insurance companies to sell insurance to people with preexisting conditions, the insurance companies will tell you that you then must force people to buy health insurance, because a lot of people would not buy health insurance until they needed it. they wouldn't buy it until they had, in some cases, a preexisting condition. and then for the insurance business, they would tell you that would be like buying fire insurance on houses that are already on fire. and once you order people to purchase health insurance, you have to do something for people who cannot afford to purchase health insurance, like maybe subsidize the cost of health
insurance for those people the and once the government is helping to pay for insurance policies, the government has a right to be interested in what's in that health insurance policy. the government doesn't want to be paying for bogus health insurance policies, so the government then dictates what is in those policies, and that is the essence of obamacare. obamacare is not complicated because the people writing it were stupid. it's complicated because health insurance is complicated. it's easy to repeal but almost impossible to replace. the only real alternatives to obamacare are nothing, just repealing it and not replacing it, or a medicare-style government health care program available to everyone, and that's an idea to the left of obamacare, that is bernie sanders care. that is something donald trump
could never support, even though he once did support exactly that. donald trump doesn't know this, but the health care policy prescribed on his website does absolutely nothing for people with preexisting conditions. nothing. it just leaves them out in the cold like they were before obamacare. so when donald trump takes on his first day agenda item of repealing and replacing obamacare, he's going to discover what governing really is. to govern is to choose, and the choices are never easy. joining us now. jonathan allen, author of a book titled hrc. so donald trump just wants to take care of those people with pre-existing conditions, keep the kids on the policies until 26 and assumes that's easily accomplished. >> the magical thinking
surrounding a lot of trump policies is about to come home to roost. i'm going to replace it with something fabulous. you may disagree with obamacare as i did, but the thinking that you can just wave a magic wand with no political or policy impacts and just, so it replace it was something that his folks really bought into. and obamacare has caused massive premium hikes for millions of americans, and they would love to see those premiums go down. but the fact of the matter is, there's no plan here, no legislative solution and like most trump promises you're going to see most folks in washington say how do you take this machine apart. everybody can take a car apart, not everybody can put it back together gone. >> let's listen to what eric cantor said about this. >> there is going to be a test here, because certainly repeal, the repeal bill is already out there, it's the one president obama vetoed. they can pick it right back up
and pass it, but the replace bill. if you take something away from them, that is going to be a fall-down on his commitment. so that is the general commitment that's got. >> and jonathan allen, donald trump said "60 minutes" interview, that he's going to replace it in the same bill. it won't be one-day gap. so it's, his plan is repeal and replace or amend as he's saying today, but the house republicans and the senate republicans have never found anything, anything that they agree on as any form of replacement. >> yeah, lawrence, you just gave an incredible explanation of how the obamacare bill works, like that as somebody who work on the senate finance committee, and as somebody who worked there, i know you understand as i hope viewers will, that you can't do a repeal and replace bill with the one vehicle that republicans
have at their disposal if democrats don't jump on board, which is a reconciliation bill. it's too complicated to do through that process. there are a whole lot of rules that prevent that from happening under one umbrella, called the bird rule. they would need democratic support to do it. i think it's going to be very difficult to find that democratic support. it's why you saw in this last congress, when they sent president obama a repeal bill, it was a straight repeal bill. and now you've got something from donald trump, triangulating from republicans. you explained very beautifully how it doesn't really work to just do those two provisions. >> so rick, what if the republicans, paul ryan, mitch
mcconnell say, look, president trump, here's what we're going to do, the repeal just like you said, just like you told your fans and you got the big cheers for, we're going to do the repeal in week one. we'll have it to you by wednesday. and then we'll work on the replace. just sign the repeal, and then we'll busily get to work on the replace, and we'll have that to you by valentine's day, what does president trump do? >> well, look, the difficulty here is even if they have the best intentions of replacing obama care with a viable marketplace plan, you're going to end up in a legislative and lobbying war in washington, d.c. that's going to drag on for months and possibly longer. no one has anticipated this. and there's a lot of hand-waving about the trump policy questions on this, but when these guys have to sit down and grapple with it and when all the interested parties roll in, all the lobbying groups roll in, all
the hospital chains and patient groups roll in, this thing becomes a giant, sticky mess, and it's much more difficult to execute on this. and obamacare as you pointed out in your monologue was built as this interlocking set of policies, and you can't really pull one or two of them out and make the machine function easily. and while the house has a lot of interesting market-based replacements, just selling aha is not going to work. >> there is one way to do it, and that is to ignore people with preexisting conditions, to just say there is no order to cover people with preexisting conditions. that's one of the things that's expensed in obamacare, and that's the one thing, that's the one thing that donald trump says he wants to do. >> donald trump is smart enough to know that it is politically untenable to promise people for the last several years that they can move from insurance to insurance.
they can get on insurance and not be denied care, not be denied the payment for the characteristic and then yank that rug from under them. there are things in the affordable care act that were long overdue in terms of taking care of our population and making sure that safety net is there for people who can't afford health insurance and making sure they can get things done preventably. they can't take those things away and not expect an extreme political backlash along the lines of catastrophic care from the late 1980s. where congress passed a plan and they hated it and beat on dan rostenkowski's car. >> there are voters who backed president obama who then also voted for donald trump. there is a democratic
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something unusual happened in michigan this week, a republican presidential candidate won in michigan for the first time in 28 years. >> 90,000 michiganers voted, voted for every office and ballot proposal and refused to vote for president. they don't vote for trump, they knew that was wrong. but they were not going to participate in this, in what they saw as a system. >> yeah. >> that had left them forgotten. >> in the final unofficial count in michigan, the detroit free press reports that hillary clinton lost by 13,255 votes out of 4.8 million votes. in the washington post, debbie
dengle say they ignored her when she tried to warn them there was trouble in michigan. in an op ed post she writes, i was the crazy one. i predicted hillary clinton was in trouble in michigan. i observed that donald trump could win the republican nomination for president and at rotary clubs, local chamber of commerce and mosques i noted that we could see a trump presidency. that's debbie, it's hyperbole, she's nuts. it's now our reality. joining us now, debbie dengle. thank you for joining us tonight. what happened? what happened with those 88,000 votes michael moore was describes where there was no vote for president. >> it's a point i kept making to people that we have a lot of working men and women in this state that are worried about
their jobs, they're not asking for a lot. they want to make enough to live in a safe neighborhood, to put food on their table, to go to the doctor when they need to, to be able to afford the medicine and educate their kids. and for too many they feel like it's out of reach. and the fact that president obama saved the auto industry, he saved a country, and it didn't translate to them individually. and when they went into the voting booth, that is what i think drove many voters here, that they wanted somebody who they thought was going to care about them. they wanted to shake up the process. they were tired of partisan bickering, inaction in washington, and while they thought donald trump was crazy, they thought he'd shake up the system, and they ended up voting for him. >> the auto bailout is fascinating. the political benefit of it did not extend into this election. it certainly helped president obama in his reelection, but it didn't seem to have an affect -- effect this time around.
>> i think people underestimate how scared people really are after 2008 many there's a psychological scar on people back here. they're worried about, and not only do you have auto workers but teamsters back here, there's a major issue with the pension fund. their pensions are being cut by 60% and 70%. i'm worried about it. i think people really underestimate how much that fear is in them. >> and when you talk about 2008, you mean the -- >> economic crisis. >> the great recession. >> right. >> not the obama election. >> no, not the obama election, i'm talking about the economic recession that scared everybody in this country. >> was there something the clinton campaign could have done in michigan? >> you know, i'm not into firing
squads. one of the reasons i'm saying that, what motivated me more to write this now, hillary clinton worked her heart and soul out. you all laughed at me as much as anybody did, it's because we have to do some soul searching. we have got to look at working men and women and what they care about and what they're concerned about. and how do we continue our social justice agenda. how do we continue to be the voice that needs us to be there for them, but how do he make sure we're looking out for all working men and well. >> within the trump vote, there are many votes, including a racist vote, a hating muslim vote and the ku klux klan has now said our guy won. so in any analysis of that vote, that seems to me to be the group that could not be reached in any
way by a clinton campaign, but surely there is this other stratum that we're talking about here, especially that 88,000 in your state who refused to vote for donald trump but also did not vote for hillary clinton. >> and i'm really glad you said that. today somebody reacted to my op ed and said i'm standing up for racist voters, i am not standing up for them. i have one of the largest muslim communities. people don't realize how scared people are right now about living in america. that's what you're seeing demonstrations on the street, but those voters who didn't vote, the ones you just talked about, are quite frankly voters who did vote for donald trump, voted for president obama last time. they're not racist. they want somebody who they believe is going to help them have a future. somebody who can just have a job, that their pension will be there. >> quickly before you go, the
prospects of repealing and replacing obamacare. we were talking about it earlier in the program. what do you sense will happen with this, now that donald trump's said he wants to preserve care for pre-existing conditions. >> i've always said the republicans don't want to repeal it. nobody wants to sell an american now that they can't get insurance because of a preexisting condition or put a lifetime cap on it or let an insurance company cancel their insurance because they're diagnosed with cancer or diabetes. so i think the previous discussion was very real about we have, in your observations were dead on. when you talk about what's the cost going to be? how are you going to pay for this? it's much more complicated when you start talking about the reality of this, but the american people want the very
core principles of what the affordable care act was. so we've got to figure it out. >> congresswoman, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, the transition team continues to work now that chris christie has been kicked out of his job running the trump transition team. ♪ ♪ see ya next year. this season, start a new tradition. experience the power of infiniti now, with leases starting at $319 a month. infiniti. empower the drive. if you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's, and your symptoms have left you with the same view, it may be time for a different perspective.
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hon life justices on the court. it will go back to the states, and the states will then make a determination. >> it is possible by the end of the trump presidency, he might be able to appoint a supreme court justice that overturns it. what else is possible within a trump presidency? it is within the power to speed up deportations and reverse obama administration executive orders on immigration. here's what donald trump said today about his priorities. >> joining us now, an opinion columnist for the washington
post, and a writer for the business insider and national political reporter for the "new york times." josh, big-league jobs, what? >> the first policy issue that he mentioned in his acceptance speech on wednesday night was infrastructure. >> mm-hm. >> which i thought was really interesting, because infrastructure is a big priority for democrats, something that republican leaders have said is not a priority of theirs. so you're likely to is see donald trump come in and push for a big infrastructure bill and push through a big tax cut and stuff that makes it easier to extract oil and coal out of the ground. they would be economically estimate lative. >> and gigantic explosion in the deficit like we've never seen before if you do the biggest, wildest tax cut we've ever seen, which is the trump tax cut now, and then if you do big infrastructure spending with that. wildest tax cut we've ever seen, which is the trump tax cut now,
and then if you do big infrastructure spending with that. >> yeah, and i think the idea, what's interesting he's doing stuff that's more progressive in some ways than hillary clinton was doing, and he has a mandate from the people who supported him to really affect their lives quickly. i've talked to so many people in rural pennsylvania who said he told me there will be coal jobs, and he's going to give me the job my grandfather had. so he's going to quickly learn that all these numbers, all these members of the media and the numbers in the deficit going higher and higher it's going to hurt him. this is a remarkable presidency, because it's going to have both a lot of liberal agenda issues and conservative ideals in it. >> but kathryn, as soon as he just going to say, don't worry about the deficit, the growth in the economy will make up for it. >> yes, i have a general rule of thumb that the more growth a
candidate promises, the worst his economic plan really is. because they're papering over something really bad fiscally. he's promised 4% to 6% growth. even greater than that at some point, because he knows that the numbers don't add up, and he's hoping people don't notice. >> let's listen to something michael moore said earlier tonight talking with chris hayes, talking about these lobbyists influencing the transition and what he expects in the early days of a trump administration. >> how about the first ten days, seriously, capitol hill is going to look like a marx brothers movie, who's got a bill, i got a bill, another bill, all those in favor, it's going to go like that. and we're all to the white house to sign, and liberals are going to be like, whoa, wait a minute. wait, that's not fair. you know. yeah. get the game face on, everybody.
now. because, because this, they are definitely serious about this. >> josh, it's not an impossible sen aereo. >> i think it's partly true. the dodd frank, that's likely to happen. on the other hand, there are big priorities of paul ryan's, that he doesn't seem interested in. donald trump has expressed no interest in changing medicare and cutting medicare benefits. he was elected by a coalition of old white people who like medicare. so some of those lobbyists, donald trump did not come to washington to do whatever paul ryan told him to do. we've seen this through the campaign, he enjoys humiliating paul ryan, he wasn't a republican until 2012. he has no particular attachment to core republican ideology. if he wants to veto them, he will do that too.
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so now dad has the venture card, he's earning his double miles, and he made a friend at the company. can i say it? go ahead! what's in your wallet? nice job dad. the washington post, garrison keeler made this prediction. for the trump voters. the disasters he will bring on this country will fall more heavily on them than anyone else. the uneducated white males who elected him are the vulnerable ones and they will not like what happens next. donald trump clearly opposed social security and medicare cuts in his campaign, however, he doesn't know really what social security or medicare, he doesn't know how they work or what they are. so when paul ryan presents him his reforms for medicare and doesn't tell him that those are cuts, how's he going to know that he's opposed to this?
>> i think even if he knows what's in the bill, it's not clear that he knows where he stands on anything. but i would say that the white working class is more vulnerable on a number of other fronts, things like what happens to obamacare. trump has expressed interest today in preserving parts of it, but what about the medicaid expansion, what about other accomplishments of the obama administration, including a rule that requires that retirement advisers work no the best interests of their clients. there's been indication that the new administration would be interested in getting rid of that rule. there are a number of fronts in which the obama administration has enacted policies that were in the interest of protecting consumers. like dodd-frank. there are roll backs that would hurt trump supporters who have
placed their faith in him. >> donald trump and the republicans will be going into a war with elizabeth warren on a daily, hourly basis. >> they'll be going into war not only with elizabeth warren but all the democrats trying to explain to people that this is something you can't just pull off people's health care. he's already starting to face the fact that when he said he was going to repeal obamacare, 20 million people, they're not all democrats on this health insurance, are you basically going to tell your supporters, i'm going to take your health insurance from you, trust me, i'll have it back to you in a couple years, that's not going to work. what we've seen over this campaign is someone who wants to be loved. the fact that he can tweet about the protests going on, it's getting under his skin, that people aren't rejoicing for him. imagine inauguration day. and by the way, trust me, believe me, i'll be able to get
back to you soon. >> so newt gingrich is on the list of possible secretary of state. and he said this yesterday about a foreign policy issue, the building of the wall on the mexican border. he said about donald trump, he'll spend a lot of time controlling the border, he may not spend very much time trying to get mexico to pay for it, but it was a great campaign device. josh barro, i can't wait to see the moment in newt gingrich's senate confirmation hearing where that quote is read back to him. >> i'm hoping newt gingrich is not going to be appointed to a confirmable position. >> there is the background check. that's a serious problem for newt. >> his appeal was never consistency on policy, and even his supporters often said he was being hyperbolic about one thing or another. there are a lot of people expecting a real wall, but there are a lot of people who voted for him who weren't expecting a real wall or don't care if he
builds the wall. i do think he will shift immigration policy that make it is more difficult to come to and stay in the united states without legal authorization, and the extent that he delivers on that, there are things he can do through executive action and things that the republican congress will send up to him, that he can deliver on that promise. his policy is likely to end up similar to what mitt romney promised, where he would make it much harder for people in the country without authorization to work and do things you want to to while you're here, and mitt romney said those people would self-deport, which he said in 2012. >> i would add that donald trump himself said that was a terrible statement and turned off a lot of voters. >> donald trump said the republican party needed to pass comprehensive immigration reform. there are deliverables that he can provide that are not the wall. >> if he doesn't get the wall, if he gets a giant tax cut and
an infrastructure spending bill and nothing else that really resembles what he was talking about, where are his voters at that point? >> his voters are going to be deeply, they're going to be sorely disappointed manien and -- and even though it's hard to think about reelection, there are things that are vague like law and order and making america great, things like i'm going to build a wall and deport 11 million people, you either did that or you didn't. people are going to say you promised me a you will what and you didn't give it to me. there are people who say he was being symbolic. i haven't interviewed a trump supporter who thought it was symbolic. i think it's going to be a problem if he doesn't give voters what he said he would give. >> the question will be are the big population centers of this country, places in new york and
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americans are twisting and turning, fighting it every step of the way. we will never return to the days where a white man could barely graduate high school and walk on to a factory floor at 18 and get a well-paying job for life. joining us now, mark thompson, host of "make a plan" on sirius xm radio. i talked about brooklyn and how brooklyn is the real america as so many areas of america are the real america. but what the real america isn't, is a non-inclusive, homo genous area. >> people cannot hide behind the argument that they were concerned about workers and the working class. they voted for someone, as patrick wrote, who was sued by the justice department for discriminating against african-americans, who has been saying racist, xenophopic, misogynistic things throughout
the campaign. there's a great deal of voter suppression out there, stories yet to be told and fully analyzed as to how african-americans were cross-checked, caged, denied voting opportunity because of voter id. we're hearing more of that. and it equals, those numbers equals the margins by which hillary clinton lost. he played a rhetorical thing with us. he said, it's going to be rigged. i'm not going to concede. and then we went high, so to speak, the president and hillary clinton, well, he's got to accept the results no matter. so the democrats get boxed in and have to concede, probably sooner than they should, because some of these races to me are still very, very fishy. knowing what president obama did for the auto industry, why would they vote for donald trump.
>> what's your theory on the bubble in america. >> i think they both don't recognize each other. if i really think about this. i read this piece and thought, yes, it's on the one side, i interviewed a white supremacist, my first white supremacist i've ever interviewed. he kept saying "founding stock." i said what is that? he said white people. when people think about midwest, that's the founding stock. that's ridiculous, we stole the land from native-americans. america was always a melting pot, forced or not. but i think both of these worlds don't understand each other. and there are white supremacy going on and other people who feel like their values are being challenged. evangelicals who voted for donald trump knowing that he was
saying racist things but that they felt that the country was being very mean to them, because they had these ideas about same-sex marriage and other things and they feel like the world is changing so quickly, no one's allowing them to catch their breath. if they don't want to marry two people, they are turned into bigots. so i think both of these parts of america don't understand each other, and i've spent a lot of time reporting in both parts of them, both in rural pennsylvania and living most of my life on the east coast. people don't understand each other. we can't also overlook the fact that white supremacy and racism and bigotry is part of this, and that's not just about where you live but the way you were raised. how you feel about people who don't look like you. >> kathryn, what's your take on this? >> i think the whole peculiar part of this rural, urban divide is that donald trump is the person who was able to exploit it most effectively, right? he played up these fears about
how our inner cities, code word for black people, our in cities are hellholes. this is a man born and raced in queens, he lives on central park and somehow he is the man who channeled the anxieties, the anti-elite anxieties of rural america, and i just, i can't quite wrap my head around it except to realize that he's a very intuitive salesman. >> we will take a break. thank you for joining us tonight. coming up, the leadership in the democratic party, there is a fight brewing for that right now. we're going to talk about that. picking up for kyle.
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and when i left, we had, excuse me, 2005, and when i left in 2009 we had the house, the senate and the presidency. >> and support is growing for minnesota congressman keith ellison who said he will make an announcement about his decision on monday. bernie sanders and chuck schumer have already announced their support for congressman ellison, and former democratic presidential candidate, martin o'malley says he's taking a hard look at that. i want to hear keith ellison's case. let's listen to this. >> the key here's got to be a turnout-based, grassroots-based, democratic party that uses relationship building one-to-one, not based on modeling, based on relationships where we turn on during the off year, based on issue advocacy so that people know that we care
and, see, right now, it kind of feels like we go to people when the big elections come up. we have to be a part of people's lives all the time. >> this looks like it's going to be a pretty big menu of choice here. >> it is. and you're right. momentum is building for keith. i like keith a lot. i mean, and i know keith. i think he would do a great job. he represents not only his district very, very well. but he's someone in touch with those who feel a little bit locked out and may feel apathetic. because with a devastating loss like this, you've not to rebuild momentum, morale, and that means the democratic base, including african-americans, women, lgbts, all people of colors, muslims, keith's a muslim, he could do that job very, very well. >> how big a power player in this is bernie sanders?
how much influence is he going to have? >> it feels like his influence will be growing over the party, just because he made lots of arguments during the primary campaign that establishment politics would no longer fly, that hillary clinton was emblematic of the establishment. i'm not sure that i agree with all of his arguments, but certainly, that is the perception of things. >> surely someone will argue the opposite, that you have to move to the middle. they always make that argument. >> i don't think it's the job of the chairman to set policy. they're there to raise money and organize. howard dean presided over the party at a time it did quite well, and the strategy he had was that they needed to compete in all 50 states, and that is compelling when hillary clinton
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