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they're hasking for it for years, and now we have a -- just a week ago, we were talking about the shattered republican party, and now it's the most consolidated republican since 1928. >> whose is it? >> donald trump's. >> donny deutsch, we love you. >> i love you, but i'm going to beat you. >> seriously, that's the sort of hatred you have to leave behind. >> messed up the beginning, you mess up the end. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> we have to leave that hatred behind. good morning to all of you. i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning, team of rivals. the first big decisions of trump's presidency. rnc chair reince priebus named chief of staff, and stephen bannon, the former head of breitbart news, as chief strategist. democrats and republicans are blasting the bannon pick, calling him a white nationalist footsteps from the oval office. >> the agenda. the president-elect's first big interview on building a wall.
>> so part wall, part fence. >> it could be some fencing. >> on gay marriage. >> these cases have gone to the supreme court. they have been settled. and i am fine with that. >> hmm, and after another night of nationwide protests, donald trump says this to demonstrators. >> don't be afraid. we are going to bring our country back. but certainly don't be afraid. >> and all in the family. trump's son-in-law may now be part of his administration. as his team says there should not be a blind trust for his businesses. it wouldn't be fair to his kids. >> he would basically put his children out of work. and they would have to start a whole new business. >> we're going to begin today with donald trump and the fallout from his first major personnel decisions as president-elect. this morning, newly named chief of staff reince priebus took on the criticism of top adviser
stephen bannon, saying bannon is not the right-wing nationalist he's made out to be. >> you judge people as you see them, not as other people have said. i have only seen a generous, hospitable, wise person to work with. >> maybe we'll get to see more of stephen bannon and make that choice for ourselves. we have it covered with the best correspondents and analysts in the business. for more on how the trump team is taking shape, i want to bring in peter alexander. why these two men? reince priebus, stephen bannon? what do they bring to the table? >> what's important to understand is they really sort of represent different factions of the republican party. bannon, who has long anning itinized the establishment, reince priebus who in effect represents it. the republican party chair dating back to 2011. he helped development the get out the vote operation for dt. he stuck with trump through all the ups and downs of the course of the campaign. after he became the nominee, and his loyalty is being rewarded
with this position. steve bannon is another story. what has been notable is the sort of lack of comment from the people who have been praising the choice of reince priebus, lawmakers and others within the republican party, have said little to nothing about bannon himself. of course, that ultra conservative website breitbart that he was the man behind for years, is important to give us a sort of better understanding about his world views that some describe as being white nationalist, even anti-semitic. we have spoken to those close to bannan who insist that he's just a champion of a diverse range of conservative views. that he is not in any way an anti-semite. one individual in breitbart saying as much. saying he strongly believes in the state of israel. and the like. nonetheless, his controversial placement as an equal partner to reince priebus is one we'll be focused on very closely. >> thanks, peter. donald trump's first big interview as president-elect showed a slightly different donald than the one we saw on the campaign trail. on the issue of abortion, for
example, he did not explicitly call for the end of roe v. wade, but he did tell "60 minutes" he would appoint pro-life judges, and quote, see what happens. >> if it ever were overturned, it would go back to the states. >> some women won't be able to get an abortion. >> no, it will go back to the states. >> some -- >> well. they'll perhaps have to go to another state. >> on immigration, he backed off calls for the wall a bit, suggesting it could be just a fence in some places. and amid fears of mass deportations, he said his first priority would be on undocumented immigrants with a criminal record. >> what we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, we're geing them out of our country or we're going to incarcerate. >> as for hillary clinton, trump would not commit to investigating her, no matter what his supporters might want. >> well, i'll tell you what i'm
going to do. i'm going to think about it. she did some bad things. >> special prosecutor? >> i don't want to hurt them. i don't want to hurt them. they're good people. >> i want to bring in two of our msnbc political analysts, former rnc chairman michael steele and "washington post" national reporter robert costa. we're going to get to the interview in a second, but michael, i want to start with you. reince priebus, stephen bannon. is this a battle royale? these two men seem so different. >> it is a yin and a yang there, no doubt about it. the reality of it is donald trump is trying to maximize two opportunities. one is with reince to get a little closer to the establishment on the hill in paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. and the lay down some tracks with them and have that connection. but the more important one, i think, will be the bannon piece. i think with bannon, that represents the movement. that represents what got him to
the white house. and so there's got to be some serious attention given to that. and i think that's really going to be the anchor piece. you know, i was talking with someone recently who said that there's going to be a bridge built, but it's more of a bridge for the establishment to come towards the movement as opposed to the movement moving towards the establishment. >> robert, chief strategist, sort of what stephen bannon has always been, the man behind the curtain pulling it all together. he did pull it together. donald trump won the election. but for those who are panicked right now, talking about what breitbart news represents, racism, anti-semitism, anti-muslim. who is this man? what does he represent? >> good morning. what we're looking at with stephen bannon and reince priebus at the white house is a power structure that's one of sharing and this is often how the campaign was run. with priebus being in charge of, as we say, running the trains, making sure organizationally,
fn financially, trump had the resources in the state, and bannon was the big picture strategist. a bannon site has published some incendiary material that has offended various groups across the board, ougat his core, his associates tell me he's a populist and a nationalist, someone who wants to be a disrupter to the system. how far that will go we shall see in the coming weeks. >> michael, what role has more power? >> well, technically, the chief of staff should have more power. but again, it all depends on who has the last word in trump's ear at the end of the day. or first thing in the morning. so that's going to be the bench right now. what role does trump, president-elect trump see for each of those individuals? how much power does he give them? that ultimately determines the kind of power they'll be able to wield in washington. >> robert, donald trump is sending a bit of a mixed message here, or do you think he's doing this to sort of, i don't know,
make everyone happy? i want to share what he said on "60 minutes." >> everybody that works for government, they then leave government and they become a lobbyist essentially. i mean, the whole place, it's one big lobbyist. >> you're basically saying you have to rely on them, even though you want to get rid of them. >> i'm saying they know the system right now, but we're going to phase that out. you have to phase it out. >> so, donald trump wants to drain the swamp, so one would say, reince priebus, he's, you know, gop central. and those who are criticizing him for bringing his son-in-law or his children or stephen bannon, who aren't part of the system, they don't like that either. is donald trump damned either way here? >> he could be. but what we're seeing with trump is a candidate who was such an outsider with washington that he comes into washington with very little infrastructure. he doesn't have the people across the board in these agencies and departments ready to go. so he has to rely in part on official washington to help build the government.
we will have to see if he actually does phase out some of these lobbyists who end up in the trump administration. but trump's people tell me that they're not too worried about some of these lobbyists because when it comes to environmental regulations, energy regulations, the kinds of things they want to pull back that president obama installed, they may be clever in deregulating and taking things away. >> michael, give me a history lesson. for those who are flabbergasted saying what is he doing with his own children on his transition team, that's totally inappropriate? is this a behavior that has existed before and we don't see it? >> of course. you often find presidents have family members nearby. the former attorney general was the brother of the president. their relationships in the family that are stable, stabilizing for the presidential candidate. someone, to robert's point, coming into an environment where you don't have the kind of network already built in, it's nice to know you've got someone close to you who understands you, who knows you, who's got
your back. and so a lot of times, particularly in the transition part, having a family member serve on transition is not unusual in the least. >> robert, "new york times" reporting that donald trump, he might not want to spend 24/7 at the white house. he's already sort of walking back, saying, well, i may go back to new york on the weekends. is this the donald trump you know? >> he's very comfortable at trump tower. throughout the campaign, he would fly home to new york because that's where he wanted to spend the night. i wouldn't be surprised if he spent some time at his hotel on pennsylvania avenue, some time at the white house, some time at other golf courses across the country, and at trump tower. when it comes to his family, one thing i wanted to bounce off michael, we have steve bannon as chief strategist, reince priebus who is chief of staff, and there's someone as important, jared kushner, he's in trump's ear every day, who is close with
bannon, close with priebus. you have not just two people sharing in the power, but multiple people including the family. >> a lot that's going to unfold here. robert, michael, thank you for joining me. >> we have to take a turn now. anti-trump protests are not showing any signs of letting up. protesters gathered in cities across the country for a fifth straight day over the weekend, stretching from florida to new york, out to the west coast. donald trump addressed that on 60 minutes. >> there are people, americans, who are scared. and some of them are demonstrating right now. demonstrating against you. against your rhetoric. >> that's only because they don't know me. >> msnbc's cal perry is live outside trump tower here in new york city where some of the protests have been taking place. i have seen you in some videos over the weekend. people say they're peaceful, but they're angry. >> yeah, people are angry. especially at the media when it comes to the pro-trump
supporters. that message throughout the campaign really lasting. the biggest protest saturday night here in new york city, 25,000 people on the streets, organized by facebook, sort of two different categories. the big cities, new york city, los angeles, philly, san francisco, and portland. portland is where we have seen continued violence. 70 people arrested there saturday morning. a shooting in the early hours of saturday morning. a motorist shot by, it appears, protest protesters, unclear if it's related to the protest, but it spurred continuing protests in portland over the weekend. facebook also targeting some small cities. springfield, massachusetts, saw protests. erie, pennsylvania, saw protests. in florida, ft. lauderdale. the question will be, of course, will protests continue? this message, as you said, a little anger, but a flat rejection of donald trump's election. take a listen to what some protesters said. >> this election is very personal for many people. >> he did not win the popular
vote. >> this is not the kind of world i want to bring my son into. >> i'm here for my daughters. >> this is not the man who should be our president. >> so still a divided country. one of the questions we have and we will have for protesters tonight and throughout this second week of protests will be a reaction to steve bannon. a lot being said online, facebook and twitter and these protests sort of chat rooms about the early sort of appointments that the president-elect has made, stephanie. >> thanks so much, cal perry joining us from outside trump tower in midtown manhattan. up next, the democrats are regrouping. hillary clinton set to call house democrats today, and president obama is calling in to the dnc. what happens next? and what did hillary tell her supporters was the reason for her loss? when it comes to healt, seconds can mean the difference between life and death. for partners in health, time is life. we have 18,000 people
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president obama will hold a press conference later today before he leaves on the last overseas trip of his presidency. before departing, he's going to call members of the dnc to talk about moving forward. hillary clinton also plans to call house democrats. kasie hunt joins me from capitol hill. kasie, what is the message president obama and hillary clinton are looking to deliver here? >> reporter: well, steph, the challenge is figuring out how to tell a pretty demoralized group of democrats how to move forward. and especially in the environment that we have been seeing with protests. there's been, of course, as we saw over the weekend, a lot of pressure on donald trump to talk to these protesters. but there's al been suggestions there might be responsibility on the part of democrats to try to say, hey, give donald trump a chance. this is everybody's president now. so there's just a lot. it's hard to overstate how stunned democrats across,
whether they're elected democrats, whether they're people who have worked for the president, people who work here on capitol hill, how stunning this donald trump win still feels. so they have a lot to do to rebuild the party as well. one thing that's looming on the horizon, who's going to be the next chair of the democratic national committee. some leaders seem to be wrapping themselves around keith ellison. he's a progressive congressman from minnesota, one of the first muslim americans to serve in congress. he's viewed as kind of a progressive champion. that's one that leaders harry reid, chuck schumer, have gotten behind. potentially bernie sanders, elizabeth warren. we'll see how they move forward with this. there's a lot of work to do. and frankly, democrats don't have a deep bench after this loss, steph. >> thanks, kasie. this weekend was the first time we heard hillary clinton talking about the reasons why she lost the election. and she clearly pointed her finger in one direction. can you guess where? senior political editor for nbc
news, mark murray, joins me with more on the campaign postmortem. secretary clinton basically thinks fbi director james comey cost her the election. >> yeah, well, stephanie, none of the numbers that i have actually seen showed that james comey was the culprit in this. but what we did end up finding was that what seemed to be an incredibly stable race over the past year in the general election was incredibly unstable, of course, at the very end. in my conversations with the clinton campaign officials, they end up saying it was almost a one-two punch. one, the james comey letter and the news coverage that followed. and then actually, they say more importantly, how donald trump and republicans were able to capitalize on this. and ended up saying, look, the clintons are always going to be under some type of investigation. and the clinton campaign believes that one-two punch was really very difficult. when you look at the entire news environment, it was really james comey that dominated the last two weeks of the election, where the clinton campaign, of course,
was hoping it was the debates or the "access hollywood" video or the allegations against donald trump, and they believe in the very least, the news environment was much, much more different because of the james comey letter. >> that second james comey letter came just ten days before the election. when we look back, many people across the country made their decision back in september. how does hillary clinton or any members of the dnc address her ground game? we talk so much about the huge budget she had in terms of ground game, all the teams across the country. if you look at the amount of time donald trump spent in the midwest, it's almost double as hillary clinton. that's where he won. >> yeah, stephanie, not only the ground game, but as you mentioned, the travel. what really struck me about what the clinton campaign was doing that even when they were hitting the midwest states, for example, in ohio, the campaign activity would be in the clevelands and cincinnatis and columbuss, the big urban areas, but very little in the places in which hillary clinton seriously underperformed
barack obama even in 2012. i'm struck at her performance in places like scranton, pennsylvania, as well as willss wilkes-barre, pennsylvania, where she struggled. not only was it ground game and travel, but where and actually their decision just to really win over the urban areas thinking that was enough, and sometimes you have to actually win the other places and overperform to be able to carry some of those midwestern states. >> we're talking about the call hillary clinton had over the weekend with her donors. she's expected to speak to senior members of -- senior democrats today. one thing we haven't heard her talk about much are these protesters. there's been some criticism that hillary clinton should tell the protesters, not necessarily that they should stop, but in terms of being more peaceful, do we expect to hear from hillary clinton on this front? >> you know, stephanie, i don't know. and of course, we heard from
donald trump actually saying i don't want any kind of violence from my protesters or incendiary rhetoric at all. but what i will end up saying, this is kind of democracy, and that people have the right to protest, and also, in an election in which you had one candidate who decisively won the electoral college vote and another candidate who decisively won the popular vote, and we're seeing this urban versus rule divide. this is playing out where it was rural america that fueled trump's win. >> in terms of the popular vote versus the electoral vote, that is a hate the game not the player. the united states saw that play out when al gore did not win the presidency. there has been ample time for those who didn't like the system to truly raise it and make a change. >> oh, stephanie, i'm saying i know how the game is played. i am saying if you're a clinton supporter and these people have taken to the streets, that's one of the arguments they end up having. and that, you know, again, there
is this humongous divide where between rural and urban america. yes, donald trump is president. you win the electoral college. you win the presidency. but how it all happened and this two fundamentally different americas, i think, is what we're seeing still in the aftermath. >> without a doubt. thanks. we have to take a break. next, he's been called the anti-semitic leader of the alt-right movement. what does alt-right actually mean? we'll examine who steve bannon is. plus, do fake facebook stories affect the election? the company is now trying to change the way fake news is handled on its site. ♪ ♪ is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the season of audi sales event is here.
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>> president-elect donald trump announced on sunday that he would not be taking a salary as president. he would be the third president to do so, with herbert hoover and jfk both donating their salaries to charity. >> there's more strong aftershocks after two people were killed when a powerful 7.8 magnitude earthquake shook new zealand. the quake brought down buildings and triggered a tsunami. for more, let's bring in janice mackey, so far, two people have died. are they expecting more as the rescue efforts continue? >> stephanie, that is the concern because rescue crews are only now beginning to reach the areas cut off by ruptured roads and landslides. towns near the earthquake's epicenter are accessible only by air. new zealand's military is bringing in more helicopters to help with the relief effort as well as a navy frigate to help with evacuations. about 1,000 tourists are stranded near a coastal town two
hours north of here. it was hit by several aftershocks today. some quite strong. as you can see, there's heavy weather moving in. there are concerns the rescue effort could be further hampered. the tsunami alert has been lifted, but people are still being warned to stay away from the coast. the concern is that the death toll could rise as these rescue teams begin to clear the rubble. there are lot of communities without electricity, without running water, and they're running short on food. so the focus in the hours ahead will be reaching those remote areas to help people get out. stephanie. >> thanks. four americans were killed and 17 were injured after an explosion at bagram air field set off by a taliban suicide bomber. the attack came as soldiers were preparing for a post-set rns day fun run. and in sports, the seahawks beat tom brady and the patriots after an incredible, listen, even if you don't like either team, this was incredible. a last-minute goal line stand. extraordinary.
and meanwhile, the dallas cowboys overcame a fake spike touchdown to win their eightths straight game, scoring a game-winning touchdown with nine seconds left. exciting. and there has been fierce, fierce reaction pouring in to donald trump's decision to name steve bannon as his chief strategist. here's the headline from the "huffington post" calling ban n bannon, quote, a white nationalist. for more on who bannon is, let me bring in josh green. you were the first person i thought of. a year before this election, you had stephen bannon on the cover of business week. you profiled him. you said he is the most dangerous political operative in america. who is stephen bannon? >> well, he's an odd guy. he is a former goldman sachs investment banker. went to harvard business school, former naval officer. basically beginning about ten years ago, he became caught up in the tea party movement. was a close ally of sarah palin. made a documentary movie about
her, and eventually took over the breitbart news website after its founder andrew breitbart, died a few years ago. and bannon and breitbart news are really the leaders of the splinter group of populist republicans who got behind donald trump in the republican primaries and were key to p powering him to victory and in the election last week. >> some people have said since donald trump won the election, relax. it's not going to be so extreme. donald trump tapped into something because he was looking to win the election. now that he's won, he's going to be a far more centered person that people realize, but the appointment of stephen bannon has many scratching their het. one gop strategist said the racist, fascist extreme right is represented footsteps from the oval office. be very vigilant, america. what is your reaction to this? you know stephen bannon. >> well, it's really not surprising. i mean, in elevating reince priebus to chief of staff and bannon to chief strategist,
trump is really only continuing the power structure he's had in place since august when he brought bannon aboard to essentially run his campaign. i think what that tells us is that trump is comfortable with these two very different people around him. he thinks it worked and got him elected. that's the direction he's going to take in the white house going forward. how that manifests itself in policy, i don't think anybody has any idea yet. i doubt trump himself even knows. >> how much time have you spent with stephen bannon personally? >> quite a bit over the last year or two. i did a 7,000 word profile of him in business week. i have known him going back to 2011, since he was doing his sarah palin documentary. so, you know, a lot. >> is he the racist, anti-semite people say he is? i have never even see him speak. >> i mean, certainly not in private conversation with me, he's not. i think where most of that stems from is the fact that breitbart news is a very racially polarized site that runs what a
lot of people would consider to be appalling, offensive headlines. the anti-defamation league came out and objected to him as chief strategist. he's someone and comes from a publication is well, well outside the mainstream of american politics. especially republican politics. but this is who powered donald trump to victory. this is the group that has essentially taken over the republican party, and now they have taken over the white house too. i think bannon's elevation radifies what is going on for the last six months. >> people are afraid of what this man represents, who he is. you're saying as someone who has spent hours and hours with him personally, privately, you don't see him as a racist on anti-semite. >> i said he's never been racist or anti-semitic in my presence. i can't speak for what he says in private. you can read the breitbart news website. you can listen to the hours and hours and hours of radio. he used to have a sirius xm
radio show. his views are out there, and he's not someone to try to hide them away or polish himself up for a public audience. you know, the guy's motto is, well, he is known as the honey badger. if you're familiar with the internet meme, i got in trouble once for saying this on television, so i'm not going to make that mistake again, but honey badger don't give an expleti expletive. that's donald trump's chief strategist. it doesn't seem like things are going to settle down. >> if honey badger doesn't give a uknow what, reince priebus versus steve bannon, in terms of a power struggle, who wins? >> bannon. >> pardon? >> i would imagine bannon. he is certainly the guy who is guiding the trump campaign all along. i think priebus is probably a moderating influence and as chief of staff, he can be an emissary to the traditional gop.
i interviewed trump about a week after he won the nomination in may, and he told me that he had given reince priebus a nickname, mr. switzerland, because he was a neutral party who could kind of serve as emissary between the trump wing of the republican party and the paul ryan establishment wing of the republican party. i think that's the role that he's going to play in a trump administration going forward. as far as the tone and the focus of trump's administration, i think that's going to be more or less bupure bannon. we'll have to see. >> in terms of nicknames donald trump has come up with in the last nine months or so, mr. switzerland is a big win for reince priebus. >> you're right about that. >> josh green of bloomberg business week. >> we have to take a break. next, despite a recent change in tone, president-elect trump has promised to appeal and replace obamacare. our correspondents are standing by to examine how he can actually do that, what it would mean for the business world, and for your personal world.
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we will be able to immediately repeal and replace obamacare. we will do it, and we will do it very, very quickly. >> it was one of donald trump's biggest campaign promises. get rid of obamacare and replace it. but now, donald trump says there are certainly parts of the health care law he would consider keeping. >> when you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with preconditions are still covered? >> yes, because it happens to be one of the strongest assets. >> you're going to keep that. >> also with the children living with their parents for an extended period. >> we have our team of reporter covering all of the angles of this developing story. let's go live to capitol hill. kasie hunt standing by. kasie, how, let's get technical, would republicans actually go about repealing obamacare? >> that is a great question, steph, because on the face of it, they would need 60 votes, which they frankly don't have.
at this point, it looks like they'll have at least 51 run seats. that makes this inherently, extraordinarily difficult. the reality is both parties know that there are major problems with the health care law. there are things that democrats want to fix. they, of course, haven't cracked it open on capitol hill because republicans have pushed to repeal and replace it. now, republicans are in now challenging position of coming up with the plan that keeps the elements of it that everybody agrees on, making sure that people with pre-existing conditions can still get health insurance. as you saw trump talk about there, keeping kids on their health care plans until they're 26. but in practice, it's very hard to figure that out. speaker paul ryan has put a plan on the table to try to fix the pre-existing condition issue. he was asked about it a little bit on sunday, didn't really get too specific. it's not clear exactly where donald trump stands on that potential proposal, but the reality is this is politically
paralyzing. this issue. and it's very, very hard to see how they chart a path forward on repeal and replace. >> all right. i want to bring in msnbc's business correspondent, ali velshi. if obamacare is repealed, what does it mean for insurance companies? it was those spiking premiums that infuriated so many americans. >> so there are two things that donald trump says he will keep, he wants to keep the ability to have your kids who live at home insured. that's not a big deal because kids tent to be cheap from an insurance perspective. this is the problem, guaranteed issue. the legal way of saying if you have a pre-existing condition, you cant be thrown off your insurance. the problem with this is you can always say, i'll insure everyone, if i think your health care costs are going to be $200,000 a year, i'll charge you $210,000 a year in insurance. obamacare has something called community rating, which means you cannot charge sick people more money for their insurance. a 58-year-old man pays whatever every other 58-year-old man pays. this is the problem, which is why obamacare had the insurance
mandate. the insurance company is not against obamacare. they like it because it brings more people in to the fold. they are worried about the risk profile. they're saying not enough young healthy people are being insured and unless they are, we can't charge older, ill people the same rate. it's a two-pronged issue. how you keep errand insured and how you pay for it. it's very, very unclear right now, like kasie says, how that's going to happen, steph. >> thanks. another big question, what about just as ali said, the parts of obamacare that remain popular. i want to bring in medical contributor dr. john torres. to ali's point, people with pre-existing conditions, young people who are living with their parents, if obamacare was repealed, how do you keep these aspects? >> that's going to be the tough part. that's also the important part because those are people that probably need the most coverage, the people with pre-existing conditions, they have health issues that need to be covered. the young children, up to 26 years old, they tend to have more trauma, which is be very expensive.
but beyond that, medicaid expansion. he's talking about doing state block grants. the problem is states might not cover medicaid sufficiently. that's going to cause problems, especially for the poor. that domino effects to everybody else. birth control for women. that's another thing they looked at saying they don't want to cover that. that causes lots of issues as well because unplanned pregnancies and those type of thing kz cause a lot of issues. there's a lot of details that need to be worked out to keep people healthy. that's the bottom line, making sure you keep the people healthy. >> keeping americans healthy and safe, that's an important part of the agenda. thank you so much. sknr we're going to take a break. coming up, the facebook collection. did the social media giant tip the scales of the electorate by allowing fake news stories to be shared unchallenged? >> good news for your 401(k)s, the dow hitting an all-time high. as we speak, 12 minutes into the trading day, and the markets continue to react in a big way following donald trump's election.
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donald trump says his electoral victory proves the power of social media, even more than the all mighty dollar. here's what he said on 60 minutes. >> i really believe that the fact that i have such power in terms of numbers with facebook, twitter, instagram, et cetera, i think it helped me win all of these races where they're spending much more money than i spent. >> but there are some who say the scales were tipped unfairly through fake news. jo ling kent joins me. fake news, all across the board, if you look at your twitter feed, i mean, your facebook feed, my mother calls me with absurd stories she got from social media. the argument that there's not that many out there, come on now. >> he in fact says the fact he could have tipped the election or facebook could have done it is quote/unquote crazy and less than 1% is masquerading as fake news. i want to read you a couple examples you may have seen.
first of all, pope francis endorses donald trump. that was shared about 100,000 times if not more. another bogus article saying clinton personally bought $137 million worth of illegal weapons, and this one, even trump was targeted in an image that quoted him as saying republicans are the dumbest voter s out there. you chances are have seen some of these articles and facebook saying not our job to take those down. >> facebook is saying this is not our job. mark zuckerberg making no statements here, isn't saying i own this in any way? some of those i have called my own producers and have said, is this true? people use social media today as their news source. >> yeah, exactly, and in fact, 62% of americans do, according to pew research. and what mark zuckerberg said on saturday night was this. of all the content on facebook, more than 99% of what people see is authentic, only a very small amount is fake news and hoaxes. the hoaxes do exist, zuckerberg said, not limited to one partisan few or politics.
overall, it makes it extremely likely that hoaxes have changed the outcome of the election in one direction or another, but what we see is the point you made. mark zuckerberg saying we're not a media company. we're not going to curate, sensor or change anything. we're a technology content company, a technology sharing platform at heart. one commenter pushed back and said, guys, you're sharing tons of news. you're making it possible. he said that's actually not our responsibility. >> hold on a second. it's literally called a news feed. >> correct. >> but they're not a news orgz wrag. >> they say they don't create the content. it's about who you follow, engage with, and connect with. content is not as much of a priority for them. we see a lot of pushback, and some academics and analysts are telling me, look, what we can do is counter it with more truth. and more corrections, but oftentimes, you see with the
fake news headlines, the truth and corrections do come, of course, they're there, but they don't get as much traction. so that's the technological issue that facebook really is coming up against right now. >> then maybe mark zuckerberg should consider renaming the news feed, the just stuff out there from people who you follow feed, because to the best of my knowledge, it is called your news feed. thank you so much. this issue is not going away. in fact, i think it's going to get scrutinized a whole lot more. coming up, the chinese president called donald trump to congratulate him over the weekend. could donald trump's business relationship influence his political relationship with the country he said, quote, is raping our country. you work at ge? yeah, i do. you guys are working on some pretty big stuff over there, right? like a new language for crazy-big, world-changing machines. well, not me specifically. i work on the industrial side. so i build the world-changing machines. i get it. you can't talk because it's super high-level. no, i actually do build the machines. blink if what you're doing involves encrypted data transfer.
>> we can't continue to allow china to rape our country, and that's what they're doing. >> but overnight, a very different tone. the president of china called donald trump and according to his transition team, trump told him the two leaders will have one of the strongest relationships for both countries moving forward. donald trump already has a long standing relationship with china. a business one. and now there are new calls for him to totally sever himself from his businesses and put them in a real, not run by his children but a real blind trust. why? according to his election financial disclosure forms, trump has interests in at least six companies that do business in china with names like thc china development and if you've visited the business web site trump.com, they're with the suits and ties, many of which are made in china and if children are put in charge of business as he wants. >> we'll take care of the business. i think we're going to have a
lot of fun doing it and make him very proud. >> that makes it even trickier. let's look at ivanka's clothing line. according to harvard professor howard lawrence, of the 838 products, a total of 354 are made in china. so now trump called for massive tariffs for goods made overseas. >> the 45% is a threat that if they don't behave, if they don't follow the rues and regulles an regulations, we will tax you. >> a 45% tariff would be unheard of. backed off of that a little bit already but as donald trump negotiates not only with china but any foreign country, is it in the best interest of his country or company? his team says trust him. >> you have to have some confidence in the integrity of the president. i don't think there's any real fear or suspicion he's seeking to enrich himself by being
president. >> almost all modern presidents put their assets in a real blind trust run by independent third party and of course, don't forget, they all released their taxes as well. guess what? we're going to stay on top of this throughout the transition. it's clearly an important subject. and coming up, the architects of obamacare will be here to weigh in on donald trump's plan. the question is, is it enough to keep america healthy? but next, you knew snl was going to have something to say about the election. we'll bring you the pg version next.
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so i know how important that is. our mission is to produce for african women as they try to build their businesses and careers. my name is yasmin belo-osagie and i'm a co-founder at she leads africa. i definitely could not do my job without technology. this windows 10 device, the touchscreen allows you to kind of pinpoint what you're talking about. which makes communication much easier and faster than the old mac that i used to use. you can configure it in so many different ways, it just, i don't know, it feels really cool. i feel like i'm in the future. "snl" had fun with the outcome of america's election. >> on thursday, trump went to the white house and showed us how brave he is by meeting face to face with a man who founded isis. >> dave chappelle of course was
the host but a message from dave chappelle and said he'll give donald trump a chance, wish him luck but holding him accountable and he would be watching. dave chappelle delivered laughs clearly the country needed. that's going to wrap us up for this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. you can find me anytime on twitter. more from my friend and colleague, kristen welker. >> great show and good morning, everyone. right now, trump's polarizing pick. backlash over the trump campaign's first appointments to the administration. steve bannon, former head of the alt right web site breitbart promoted to chief strategist and reince priebus picked as white house chief of staff and also hearing from donald trump for the first time since his stunning election night upset. on "60 minutes" seemed to soften on some of his more hard line rhetoric. hillary clinton, obamacare. >> when you replace it, are you going to make sure that people
with preconditions are still covered? >> yes, because it happens to be one of the strongest assets. >> are you going to build a wall? >> yes. >> they're talking about a fence in the republican congress. would you accept a fence? >> for certain areas, i would. >> are you going to ask for a special prosecutor to investigate hillary clinton over her e-mails? >> well, i tell you what i'm going to do. i'm going to think about it. i don't want to hurt them. they're good people. i don't want to hurt them. >> different tone there. also denounced people targeting minorities with personal threats in his name. take a listen. >> you want to say anything to those people? >> i would say, don't do it, that's terrible because i'll bring this country together. >> they're harassing la tee thou, latinos, muslims. >> i'm so saddened to hear that and i say stop it. if it