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not, american history. this is us going through this. some moments have become like the electoral college in the victor, like his willingness to listen when he spoke about the arithmetic realities of the affordable care act. the president-elect must listen and he must learn and tonight i worry about the talk that john bolton may be trump's choice for sect of state. picking bolton would vastly increase the number of people who were sad at what happened last tuesday and the number of people who are downright scared. scared. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> do i have concerns? absolutely. of course i've got concerns. >> the president meets the press. >> it has a way of waking you up. >> hiring white nationalism to lead his white house. tonight, the bipartisan backlash to donald trump's biggest hire.
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plus, in an "all in" exclusive, keith ellison and his intention to run the dnc. then, former clinton campaign spokesperson jess mcintosh in her first interview since the election and bill moyers on what lies ahead in trump's america when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. groups of americans took to the streets in protest. this was the scene in los angeles, site of one of several student walkouts that took place across the country. meanwhile, president obama held his first news conference since election day. the president striking a relatively positive tone while also suggesting the president-elect is in for a wake-up call. >> this office has a way of waking you up and those aspects
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of -- positions or predispositions that don't match up with reality, he will shake it up pretty quick because reality has a way of asserting itself. >> trump is poised to end the white house with zero experience in the government or military, the first time in this nation's entire history. during his meeting with the president last week, a source tells nbc news trump asked how many white house staffers he could replace and was surprised when president obama told him it is his job to replace everyone. in his remarks today, the president urged trump to send signals of unity he who owe fffd starting with staffing positions naming steve bannon, former chief of breitbart news, a
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website that has become an online home to white national i am. the decision has cause backlash and we'll have the head of council of arab and trump who famously told chuck todd last year he gets military advice from, quote, the shows, seems to be looking at many top people with posts he has seen on fox news, among those he's considering for hiring positions, fox national security commentator richard cornell, fox contributor laura ingraham and john bolton. bolton, a proponent of a very aggressive military posture across the united states across the globe is said to be a leading contender secretary of state. he wrote, "to stop iran's bomb, bomb iran." he has tapped eric jr. to run his business environment. trump section ploering the possibility of getting top
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secret security clearances for all three of those children. potentially giving them access to the nation's most closely guarded secrets at the same time they seek to grow the family fortune. all of this is happening as democrats seek to pick up the pieces after last week's disastrous showing at the polls. today, keith ellison formally launched his bid to become the next chair of the dnc with backing of elizabeth warren, bernie sanders and chuck schumer. many are pointing to this clip from last july as a central plank of ellison's resume for the job. >> all i've got to say is that anybody from the democratic side of the fence who thinks that -- who is terrified of the possibility of president trump better vote, better get active, better get involved because this man has got some momentum and we better be ready for the fact that he might be leading the republican ticket. >> i know you don't believe that but go on. >> you make me laugh.
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>> we had jesse ventura in minnesota win the governorship. nobody thought he would win. i'm telling you, stranger things have happened. >> indeed. representative keith ellison of minnesota, congressman, it's nice to have you here. >> thank you, chris. >> i think -- let's start here. i think people are looking at this position to head the dnc as the kind of first concrete step the democratic party is going to understand what happened last week and to reverse its fortunes. why do you want to lead the dnc and what is your vision for that institution? >> you know, chris, i believe every american should know that the democratic party is there for the working men and women of this party. the democratic party is the vehicle for people to reach their hopes, their dreams, to be able to live a good, quality life and have an inclusive society. what we saw is a table flip. people outraged because of stagnant wages for quite a long
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time, feeling like they have not been heard, feeling like the folks with the money put that money in to politics and took the attention away from them as citizens of our country. well, you know, i believe we've got to return that focus right back to the working man and woman of this country, affirm the idea of better wages, affirm the idea of the right to bargain collectively on the job, affirm the idea of having a clean environment. you know, these are the things that are core values and that's where i want to take the democratic party. >> it's interesting to hear you say that because, as you know, better than anyone, there's this debate happening among democrats and different writers and progressives about what happened. >> right. >> and different theories for it. what i'm hearing from you is an economic populism argument. what i'm hearing is that you feel that the democratic party -- i don't know if you mean the clinton campaign essentially -- lost its core economic message.
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is that the critique? >> you know, let me say this. if you look at the numbers in the last election, president obama actually won a larger number of white working-class voters than voted for hillary clinton. so if it's -- if it was simply some sort of racial backlash, then that is an unlikely outcome. i think what happened is trump did appeal to negativity, had a negative campaign, calling her crooked hillary, which was -- and sometimes negative campaigning can work. that's why people spend money doing it. so, unfortunately, they have been trying to tarnish hillary clinton for a long time and her good record, her excellent record of service wasn't able to break through in the last week of that campaign and i think that's pretty much what happened. >> so there's a deeper -- there's the question of the campaign in terms of the presidential, right, but there's a deeper question and it has to do with this sort of states
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across the industrial midwest that flipped including almost, shockingly, your state of minnesota. >> but it didn't. >> it did not. but if i gave you truth serum, you're going to tell me you thought it would be that close? >> no, i did not think it was going to be that close but in my district, the fifth congressional district, we got 250,000 votes out and because of that we helped keep our state blue. but they did a good, you know -- it was tougher than i thought it was going to be. >> let me ask you this, because of the district you represent, which in some ways is an urban district, a heavily democratic district, what do you say to people who say someone who represents a heavily blue urban district is not the right person to be -- have their finger on the pulse of the kinds of districts in the western part of the state that he won that trump won overwhelmingly is not the kind of person to have their fingers on the pulse of the
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kinds of districts democrats would need to win to win back the house, the kinds of places that the democrats would need to win back the senate and the white house. >> let me tell you, i go out to the seventh congressional district of minnesota all the time, sit down with people, diners, talk with folks and have a great relationship with colin. he's a very good friend of mine. i go down to iowa, wisconsin, i was born in michigan and go there quickly. i have my finger on the pulse of what i think democrats and americans more importantly want from their government, which means that everybody -- the thing that unites all of us is everybody wants to make a good living and i think when you see a trump candidacy and now president-elect trying to use different religion and divide, that can work in the short term but i believe in a message of solidarity and prosperity is going to win out and that's what the democratic party stand for
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and that's where we're going to have our focus. voter turnout, strengthening the grassroots and making sure that every working man and woman knows the democrats are on their side. >> i want to ask you, criticisms coming from a number of different directions. the gop, the republican party put out an op-ed file on you accusing you of being a lefty, you want single payer, voted for the progressive budget which would have raised taxes. your positions are too far to the left and extreme. what's your response to that? >> my response is that, you know, there's absolutely no democrat at all that would be acceptable to them. >> fair point. >> right. >> they are not going to put out a statement saying we applaud the dnc. >> that's not going to happen. so i don't think their criticism is going to be taken seriously. they specialize in trying to run down people's character. that's their main weapon, is
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character assassination. we're going to be fighting back to make sure the focus is on the people, on the people and their quality of life and not them in their character assassination machine. >> howard dean, former chair of the dnc who says he's a friend of yours, supporter of yours -- >> great guy. >> -- i know you guys have a good relationship. he's running for dnc chair and it's an impossible job to do while you're sitting member of congress. take a listen. >> look, i like keith ellison a lot. i went door to door with him for his very first election. i think his politics is great. i like him. i don't believe you can have this job and have a seat in congress or the governor's office. this job is 80, 90 hours a week. you can't do both. >> what do you say to that? >> you know, the real issue is vision. where are you going to take the party? my vision is to focus our attention on strengthening the grassroots, put our priority on
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voter turnout and to campaign 365 days a year and then talking door to door with people in their neighborhoods and in the communities. i have a work ethic that people who know me know and nobody is going to outwork me. i'm going to be tireless working all the time and i'm going to be making sure that the message gets to the people. plus, let me tell you this, chris, this is not a job just for one person. we're going to raise and inspire millions of people. millions of people all over this country. anybody who thinks that this is one guy who is going to do everything, it's not true. my vision will be to empower people across the grassroots and that's why i got support of folks who are dnc members, four party chairs supporting me already because they know i'm going to be making them -- helping to empower them to strengthen people in their state, their county, their precincts. that's the real point. >> let me ask you -- let me
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conclude on this. you're one of two practicing muslims in the united states congress. you are looking at a president-elect who has called to ban muslims from the country and who just installed as basically his one of top two people in the white house, steve bannon, who runs a website that's warned of obama importing muslims, who has trafficked in all kinds of very ugly and gross stereotypes. i mean, what is your reaction to the announcement about steve bannon? >> well, you know, personnel is policy, right? i think elizabeth warren said that. when you appoint certain people, you're telling us what your administration is going to be about. and all i have to say is this. we are going to come together. we're not going to let these people divide us and conquer us. from the folks born here, folks who came here, different religions, we're all unified. we're one america and we're
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going to come together and we're going to rebuild that ladder of opportunity for everybody. we're going to make sure people have real security, social security, economic security and we're going to make sure that folks know that the democratic party is on their side. and any of this divisive stuff to break us apart is not going to work because we're going to be on the case and everybody all over the country is going to understand that, you know, when we say liberty and justice for all, that means all. no exceptions. >> representative keith ellison, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, chris. still to come, bill moyers with his reaction and what went wrong with the clinton campaign? jess mcintosh will be joining me after this two-minute break. and. my name is yasmin belo-osagie and i'm a co-founder at she leads africa. i definitely could not do my job without technology.
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as democrats look for a way forward, hillary clinton and the people in her orbit, many who have long dominated the democratic party, are sifting through the data to try to find
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the cause of this historic loss. a few hours ago, hillary clinton called up house democrats sources on that call saying she thanked her supporters, emphasizing a need to analyze what happened and cited the intervention of the fbi as an issue. "but our analysis is that fbi director james comey's letter raised doubts that reduced momentum." polling data said, "there is no question that a week from election day, president clinton was posed for an historic win but it was one too many hurdles for us to overcome. joining us is jess mcintosh, a big friends of the show. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> how do you understand what happened last week? >> it's tough. it's been a really hard week. i have been incredibly heartened to see how quickly the activist base mobilized to talk locally,
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how do we protect our neighbors in more jeopardy than they were because of this, what can we do in the immediate sense we lost the grander war and that speaks to an amazing resilience and also the fact that we won the popular vote. there were more people who voted for hillary's positive, inclusive vision for america than voted for trump's and even more that didn't come out at all. but i think any conversation that talks about what happened without talking about sexism and racism is missing a really large point of 2016. the fact that that woman, that supremely qualified, talented woman and that campaign which worked harder than everyone in the presidential campaign is wonderful, this one was run like that. we were in every state doing everything needed to happen. the fact that that operation and that woman couldn't beat that man and that operation, which was basically nonexistent means that we have so much more work
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to do. >> where does that lead you in terms of how you think about building off of it? we should be clear, this has been the line i've been using, if you lose a basketball game by one point, you can look at the last shot. >> right. >> which is the james comey letter and look at all four quarters and -- there's a million things to determine the outcome. >> obviously everything she said today was correct. i think the james comey letter was one of those things. we had so many one of those things, variables, we had the russians hacking the personal g-mail account of our campaign chair. the dnc wikileaks, there was the comey letter. there is one unifying variable of this campaign, which was we were running a woman. >> right. >> that has not happened before. >> and my understanding, from my conversations with the clinton folks, is that there's a certain demographic -- everyone sort of comes up with their demographic path to victory and in some ways the bet was there was going to be some demographics on which she underperforms which will
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make up for ones that she overperforms and one of those was republican women, white women, women of color overwhelmingly voted for every democratic presidential candidate. >> yes. >> but she, among white women, didn't do any different than essentially obama in 2012, a point better. >> yeah. >> how do you make sense of that? >> i internalized misogyny as a real thing and it's something we have to be talking about as we go through and -- >> what does that mean? >> my guess is -- the president said it the best during this whole campaign. we as a society react poorly to women seeking positions of power. we are uncomfortable about that and then we seek to justify that uncomfortable feeling because it can't possibly be because we don't want to see a woman in that position of power. as we figure out exactly what happened with turnout, it seems to be white college educated women. my guess is that breaks down married/unmarried,
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older/younger. we have work to do talking to those women about what happened this year and why, why we would vote against ourself-interests. >> so here's my question. there's some part of me, knowing the way politicians think -- >> uh-huh. >> that if the takeaway is that sexism is the driving force behind this defeat -- >> yes. >> -- there's going to be this temptation to say, let's just run man. you and i know how politicians think. really, if that's true, the path of least resistance, we tried that, it didn't work. i remember talking to a lot of folks who thought barack obama -- >> which would be another reinforcing sexism mechanism. let's run all of these women. clearly that's the way to do it. so the idea that we would suddenly say in this case in this one variable, clearly that was the problem. i think we have to look a lot more whole lift clee, how
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carefully steve bannon is taking over a chief white house role. this is a man who speaks violent misogynist on his website and has a hateful movement and he's being moved into the white house. that can't sit well with any of us. we're fighting in increments now but we're still fighting. >> jess mcintosh, thank you for making the time. really appreciate it. >> thanks. the man who boasted his website is now donald trump's strategist in the white house and people are denouncing this announcement. both groups are joining me ahead. e track and thousands of miles away. with the help of at&t, red bull racing can share critical information about every inch of the car from virtually anywhere. brakes are getting warm. confirmed, daniel you need to cool your brakes. understood, brake bias back 2 clicks. giving them the agility to have speed & precision. because no one knows & like at&t.
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spectrum, there were condemnations of trump naming steve bannon. he was executive chairman of breitbart which he described this way, "we're the platform for the alt-right," a term for those who believe in white nationalism but don't want to call it that. two weeks after a white supremacist killed african-americans at a church, he said this, "hoist it high and proud, the confederate flag proclaims a glorious heritage." breitbart routinely portrays hatred of women. "the solution is simple, women
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should logoff." raising questions about bannon's beliefs. his ex-wife claims as part of a 2007 divorce filing, he didn't want to send their children to a school with jews. she said in her statement, june 27th, 2007, in a court filing, the biggest problem he had is the number of jews that attends. bannon denied it. in trump's campaign, of which he was chairman, didn't always push back against the anti-semitism that became intwined with the trump phenomenon, particularly online. david duke said, bannon has been right on about a lot of issues facing european-americans. he's really talked about them and supported the alt-right. this would make him one of the most powerful people in the country and on the earth and it's brought outrage from not only democratic leaders but also republicans. "the racist fas cyst extreme right is represented" and
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conservative evan mcmullin tweeted "will any national level elected gop leaders condemn steve bannon to senior white house role." among the groups, the anti-defamation league, the heads of those organizations join me next. coaching means making tough choices.
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the announcement that steve bannon will serve as a chief strategist in president-elect's white house has caused
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widespread anger. it is a sad day when a man presided over the premier website of alt-right is slated to be a staff member in the people's house." they urge trump to reconsider pointing out that the appointment of steven bannon sends a disturbing message that anti-muslim conspiracy theories will be welcome in the white house. joining me is jonathan. are you concerned about the allegations of his wife in the divorce filings, something that bannon has denied? >> i'm not going to get into gossip and talk about he said/she said. what we're focused on is what we know. under steve bannon's relationship, breitbart was the haven of white supremacist. we call it the alt-right. >> what do you see -- what message is being sent in this
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appointment, from your perspective? >> i think on both sides, this is a tense moment in this country. we've not only seen demonstrations, sometimes ascended to violence across the nation, we've seen an uptick in hate crimes and bias incidents all around the country. anti-immigrant, anti-semitic, muslim, racist, homophobic. so in this moment where we're seeking middle ground, when the president-elect talked about bringing the country together, appointing steve bannon drives a divisive message that eve though it's the people's house, not all people are welcome. >> i want to read something that the head of the -- the chair of the nazi party said today pleasantly surprised by bannon's appointment. "perhaps the donald is for real and is not going to be a controlled puppet and does indeed intend to rock the boat. time will tell." that's the party saying this sends us a message that this
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president might be more in line with our values than we thought and we're encouraged. >> you could tell an awful lot about someone in life not by what they say but by their friends, by the people whose company they keep, by the people who support them and we've seen the kkk, neo-nazis and white supremacists ex aalting over th naming of steve bannon. i can't speak to the president-elect's intentions. i can only talk about the outcome. this seems to embolden the extremists. >> what do you say to those who say jared kushner is -- obviously he's jewish and devout, ivanka is a convert. joe pollack wrote a piece defending bannon saying it's ridiculous to call him an anti-semite. this is libel.
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>> he's a cesspool of misogyny. it's the pandora's box pulled wide open. it's hard to say why this is happening. all we can focus on are the results and the results are bringing in toxicity into our political conversation and we think at the adl, we've been monitoring extremism for more than 100 years. intolerance like this has no place in the public square, certainly not down the hall from the oval office. >> jonathan, thank you. joining me is the executive director of c.a.r.e. your reaction to the naming of steve bannon? >> well, as our previous guest said, it's shocking, especially since we hear the statement from president-elect donald trump on sunday on "60 minutes" saying that he would like to move the country forward.
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he would like to unite americans. and the first thing we see is that he appointed someone who is not going to bring americans together. he's going to divide americans further and because of his not only rhetoric but the fact that he presided over a news website that denigrates women for using birth control or accusing jews for hang conspiracies against the united states and through so on and attacking african-americans and muslims and immigrants. these are the wounds that have been inflicted on our nation in the past many months in an ugly campaign and now america needs not to see further division. we need to heal the nation and we need to work together. so for a country as big as ours, as diverse as ours and as divided as ours, we need personnel in the white house who will advance and reflect the values of diversity, equal
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justice, equality and i don't see muslims, jews, blacks or women around the table if steve bannon is in the white house. >> the fbi released a report today on hate crimes for last year. and we should note this is during a year that both featured an election and several attacks on the u.s. that were later claimed by isis or by folks who pledged loyalty to isis, some of the context for what happened in 2015. but there are shocking statistics 67% surge in attacks on muslims and it's hard to get numbers on attacks in the days after the election. how concerned are you? >> very much concerned. and i get calls from parents and i get calls and text messages on behalf of children from parents and community leaders. there's a widespread concern. not only in the past 18 months but even after the win of donald
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trump of the election lost tuesday. so we see an uptick in hate crimes and acts of vandalism, women accosted on college campuses. so there is fear but also the community is resilient. we're not going to resort to intimidation. this is our country and we're going to stay here and we're going to hold the president-elect donald trump to the highest standards in defending all americans and all of those residing in accordance with the u.s. constitution. >> final question. given that we've seen swastikas, the alt-right venom for jews and muslims, is this a moment for cross-religious solidarity for jewish people and muslim people? >> absolutely. we have a lot in common and this -- why this country is great because it brings all people together and also we have great traditions.
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judaism and islam and they can bring shining examples not only of america itself but all of these communities. so why this is a challenge it can be an opportunity to bring our communities together on common ground and to fight for justice but also to uphold the values which made this country great and we celebrate. >> nihad awad, thank you. still to come, i speak with bill moyers on what to expect from president-elect donald trump. but first, thing 1 and thing 2 right after this break. when it comes to healthcare, seconds can mean the difference
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thing 1 tonight for six straight days protesters have taken to the streets in many cities across the country to voice their opposition that donald trump and one of their rallying cries has been that hillary clinton won the popular vote despite losing the electoral college. when you search google for final count 2016, pretty standard search following the presidential election, the very first news result is a website
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called 70 news. it takes you here, a page with a tropical looking pool, trump won both popular and electoral college votes. why are they leang google news searches about who won in the presidential election? that's thing 2 in 60 seconds. ♪ ♪
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the first is "hillary's health." it cites a twitter user by the name of michael. the whole thing is completely bogus. a sign that the flood of fake news has permeated facebook has extended to google as well. google said it is looking into the matter. contrary to the fake report, hillary clinton is indeed winning the popular vote by a sizeable margin, almost 700,000 votes, which is currently larger than president john w. kennedy and approaching the margin from richard nixon's first wwin in 1. a majority of counts are in new york, california and washington, all states that clinton won handily. ♪
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ifill's family and all of you, her colleagues, on her passing. she was a friends of ours, an extraordinary journalist, asking tough questions, holding people in power accountable and defending a strong and free press that makes our democracy work. >> she was as one of her colleagues put it a standard bearer for fairness and equity. tonight, reporters are paying tribute to the great veteran journalist gwen ifill, the beloved co-anchor of pbs died today following a bout with cancer. few women of color were working in newsrooms, let alone covering politics and public affairs. she recalled getting letters from readers and worked for "the
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washington post" and "new york times" before joining pbs moderating the presidential debate in 2004 and 2008 and in 2013 was named co-anchors of pbs "newshour." the milestone was not lost when she said, when i was a little girl watching programs like this, i would look up and not see anyone who looked like me. i'm very keen about the fact that a little girl now watching the news when they see me and judy sitting side by side, it will be perfectly normal. it won't seem like a break through at all. she was 61 years old. breakthrou. she was 61 years old. when you're close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment? if you have moderate to severe psoriasis,
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violence rules, predator, that never changes. >> i'm in a situation where i can't run from. but my whole time in the streets, that's all i've ever been doing is fighting so i'm looking like i'm in a place where i always trained for but didn't know it. >> the sad part is, the alternative to violence is more violence. >> the documentary is called "rikers." veteran journalist bill moyers, it's my great pleasure to welcome you here now. >> good to be with you. >> i want to start with the film which in many ways i think
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segues to where we are at this moment in america, it's about this human rights disaster in many ways that is just off the tip of queens in new york city. why did you want to be part of this film? >> i wanted to put a human face on the statistics and stories in the print press that were coming out about the culture of cruelty there. this was 15 to 16 months ago. and to raise the question, is this how, no matter what the offense is, we want to treat people? what does it say, all of the stories that have been told, powerful investigative reporting, what does it say about our society as a civilization and as a democracy and i don't appear in the film. we interviewed these men and women at length and they tell their story in their own voices. >> it's a place of great cruelty institutionally.
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i watched it after the election and we're talking about blue america, red america, racism and this is in new york city. this institution is created by the mechanisms of the state of one of the most, quote, liberal places in the whole country. >> right here in -- two miles from the financial center, from our media center, from the theatrical center and we're oblivious to what is going on. in abu ghraib, no, we don't torture or mistreat prisoners of war and then abu ghraib came with photos of american soldiers sitting on top of bodies. there's 7500, 8,000 men and women as we speak. 80% of them have not been convicted of a crime. >> right. >> 40% are suffering from some sort of mental illness and we've all been oblivious to it. >> i want to ask you about -- you're someone who has been part
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of politics. you've been in the white house. you've been a journalist. i mean, what is your reaction to what happened in this country last week? >> well, it's very complicated because i think there were many tributaries that floated in the river that ran to the gulf. many of them. i think essentially we're right to say there was this great concern out there that many people missed about inequality and the growing gap between the 1% and everybody else. i think it was a whitelash. i think 48% of the country, the voters of the country were trying to push back against the triumph of women finally getting a woman president and against the people of color, the changing nature color of the country. i think there was a big pushback there. and i think the press for too long enabled trump to get away with lies that became beliefs in the minds and hearts of people across the country, his
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followers. and i think the two parties had been rotting in washington for a long time. although, if trump has his way, he's going to restore the party in washington because it's going to be a party of insiders once again. a year that began as an uprising of the people is going to end as the triumph of the power brokers. >> i want to focus on one thing you said about the media's role in this because it's something a lot of people have been talking about. obviously there's no media out there. >> bill o'reillies and rush limbaughs. >> as of now, fake new sites that appear on facebook that don't even have the kind of pretense to factualism. but one thing that struck me was, if you look at the editorial boards of the american newspapers, and if you looked at the coverage of our papers, washington post, new york sometimes, they were quite critical. >> in time, they really did. >> and yet it -- whatever trust
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there may be between those voices of authority and a large swath of american voters has -- >> when i was growing up a long time before you came around, the saying was, a lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its shoe tide. now a lie is ten times around the world before you even get out of the bed and put the shoe on. the facebook, twitter, the speed of communications today, it's hard for lies. it's hard for a squad of lies to get caught up with a battalion of a squad of truth to get caught up with a battalion of lies. that's one thing we're overwhelmed with. it's the niagara falls in the politics of this country, bringing toxic poison into the white house. >> you worked for the white house, right? >> four years. >> now there is a question about the strength of liberal institutions, the strength of a kind of restraining set of norms
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embedded throughout the federal government from the civil service all through the national security's sphere to restrain any impulses that might fallout side the boundaries of what we consider american constitutional democracy. having been in that white house, how confident are you about that? >> not at all. and i have to be frank and say that part of this gap between fact-based journalism and untrue journalism began with the credibility gap of the vietnam war, the continuing insistence of putting a good face on what is happening out there and then reagan's very fluent ability to deceive and misrepresent. it's entered into the body of politics and into our arteries and all governments lie. there's a new documentary out about that. and our defense against those
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lies is crumbling. you know what is happening to newspapers. newspapers are in really serious financial trouble, not enough revenue to report the investigative journalism that needs to be done and this medium, our medium, television, yours and mine, is infused with entertainment so it becomes more true than the truth teller. so i'm not optimistic -- i said to a friend of mine on wall street i said why are you optimistic and he said i'm not sure my optimism is justified. i want to believe that the truth will come out but i don't brief it will any time soon. the great danger of bannon being in the met for cal room with the former republican committee, you're putting a propaganda and one that is not truthful. a tabloid publisher is going to be the senior adviser to the
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president of the united states. you showed some editorials in your previous segment of the headlines and on breitbart's website. the one that said to me, gabby giffords, the human shield for the gun control movement. i mean, how can these people be so, so brutish, so insurance sensitive to what the headlines suggest. i don't understand it. >> yeah. i mean, i think that there's a sort of -- the sheer indecency is part of the schtick. >> and we're going to have to support the truth tellers. it's going to take independent journalists because newspapers are in trouble. you know, we're going to have to find a way to support independent journalists who dare to tell the truth. >> bill moyers, such a great honor, a pleasure. come back any time. whenever you want. >> thank you. >> the documentary is called
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"rikers." that's "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. happy monday. all right. here's how it starts. it starts with a mad scientist. a mad scientist who looks just like val kilmer because, you know what, its value kilmer. he's a mad scientist. also, there are a bunch of people in a steam room. now, handily, for the purposes of this movie, there are all handsome people in the steam room and they are very sweaty and wearing almost nothing and lit in an attractive, summery way and smoulder at each other when they need to. the mad scientist turns up. he has taken those six people in

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