>> that does it for this hour. mo "meet the press" daily starts now. if it's wednesday, the trump transition team is facing a steep climb on the road to running the white house. tonight, trump transition trouble? purnls, night fights and delays. is this any way to run a transition? plus, what's the way forward for democrats and new demands for answers in russia's role in the dnc hat. >> this was a conscious effort by a nation to attempt to achieve a specific effect. >> this is mtpdaley and it starts now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here at election headquarters. i'm calling it that. it's eight days later.
65 days until trump takes the oath of office and the transition appears to be a bit of a mess. we had leaks from in the transition that describe a purge of certain allies and paperwork gumming up the works of resignations and shake-ups including today. days after trump defended his use of lobbyists in the transition. mike pence ordered the removal of all of them, probably to the cheers of some of the trump supporters. despite this chaos, they insist that things are running more smoothly than it appears behind the scenes. here's trump adviser kellyanne conway addressing reports of turmoil. >> i just don't see it that way. those are false. >> trump himself spoke out of sorts or tweeted out about pushing back against reports of chaos saying very organized process as i decide on cabinet
and many other positions. there is one big sign that trump's transition is behind. they have not named a national security adviser. the secretary of state report to the white house national adviser. secretary of state would not admit that and the adviser said that's the way it works. every white house work this is way. if you are in the running to be trump's secretary of state or defense, you don't say yes to the job until you find out who that national security adviser is. that's how influential and important that position is. moreo than any of the other national security positions right now. the fact that he has not named one is one of two things. general flynn is a done deal and they are waiting for some reason or they are looking for somebody, some alternative to him and yet to find one. trump's transition looks messy compared to obama's position which was tense, but smooth.
the financial crisis was a reallying point for him and he came in with a group of people that were designate said as ready to govern. trump doesn't have that large group of people. he has a smaller team. it's not surprising considering the campaign he ran. he ran against washington insiders and elites in his own party. why would they lineup now, why would he want to start putting them in those places. now he is facing the daunting task of putting together a government where he needs washington insiders and republican leaders on board. let's be fair to trump in this case which is not the first time. bill clinton's transition was one of the rockiest in modern times. bad vetting and controversy and all that confusion carried over into the new white house and was tumultuous for 60 days. normally they jump at the
opportunity to hold a press conference and tout their plans. obama waited days and push waited three days. it took bill clinton days and that is significantly longer than everyone so far, including trump, but he is yet to hold a press conference and if he does it tomorrow, he will do it in the same amount of time as bill clinton did in 1992. of course it's tough to "meet the press" if you don't have a good story to tell yet. let's talk about this. we will dive into the issue with two people who know how the process works. anita mcbride is an executive at the center for studies at amican university. the white house experience with reagan and bush stands two decades and three presidential transitions and thomas was chief of staff to president clinton during that 92 transition and
knows full well the stress that reince priebus and the folks in trump tower are experiencing. by the way, they are both on the advisory board at the non-part an center for presidential transition. thank you both. let me start with you. look. you guys came in with a democrat and took over a white house. it was the first time that a transition took place in a 24-7 media environment at the time. you were being watched in ways that previous transitions had not been. donald trump is dealing with this times 100. what is your observation? >> chuck, a couple of observations. first it's good to be with you and always good to be with anita. number one, there were lessons learned in the 1992 transition. you noted them. i would say this. we put an emphasis on the cabinet. i came in a bit later and we had a very good cabinet. it was the most loyal cabinet in
modern history. they were late getting the white house staff in place, but we were focused on the deficit reduction plan and the economic plan and we got that past with family medical leave and had a strong first year. you have to remember president clinton came to office with only 43% of the vote. the big difference now in transition that mr. trump has an advantage, after 9/11, there is no longer the perception of measuring the drapes in a transition. that was a real impediment for us and that changed and i would agree that the transition from president george w. bush to president-elect barack obama was a seamless smooth one and it served the country well. that's why the trump transition should be moving forward in a very different way in my opinion. >> do you agree with mac that you don't -- doesn't sound like he is giving them and the
preelection planning that is now allowed to be done without media criticizing you. >> i wouldn't say they dropped the ball, but there are procedures in place to make it a lot easier for them. they have had access to a lot of terrific information that i think people at the transition have a sense of what they are getting into. one of the things that happened here today, the memorandum of understanding was signed. that will accelerate the process now for making some of the announcements and the decisions that they have to make. let's remember one thing too. it has been one week since the election. the first announcement of the chief of staff as max says, making the white house staff decisions are really important to sort of bringing some structure to the chaos of a transition. i think today was a good move for them to sign that mou and i'm sure they are feeling the
pressure to keep moving forward. >> you know, the experience of a national security adviser, i talked about it earlier. you tell me, but i assume any secretary of state or defense, that's the first question back at you. who is the national security adviser? >> you are absolutely right. i listened carefully to your opening comment and in president clinton's case, both had been the chief foreign policy advisers on the campaign. that was a natural transition to that national security team. warren christopher had the vice president's vetting. he established a relationship with president-elect clinton and named secretary of state. those are key and there are more important now this this period of time where we had terrorism and unrest around the world. that is essential. but to be fair, you noted it. transitions are a very demanding
time. to get a jump on them is critical. >> there seems to be score settling. by the way, i'm sure you guys will claim you have never settled anything. scores get settled all the time. is it interfering with the transition? >> here's one of the things that i know and mac would agree with this. the team around the president-elect happening to make the decisions have to be people that they have confidence and trust in. that the disdroegz do a job like this. i think that there is always a bit of intrigue around any political environment and any white house and transition. things have to settle down. i think at the end of the day, the awesome burden of taking on the responsibility of leading the country and the solemn duty to the american people to make this work. it's what has to guide people.
i want to be confident in anybody coming into this job that recognizes that. >> walk me through the vetting process. rudy giuliani will be in the midst of one that has been getting a lot of media and financial stakes and interest he has done in the private sector. you have to do a vet to prepare for the confirmation. walk us through that. >> it's a demanding and thorough process and you have to remember sometimes when you interview or choose someone, you vetted them and may get down the vetting process and have to change and reverse course. it's a complicated process and demanding process in a very short period of time. usually and i would think the trump organization is set up this way. you have groups of people who are focused on various cabinet positions that do that vetting and you really have to have a really intense focused effort
and frankly a lot of power to do it. that's how it works. you don't always get it right. i think we got our cabinet to say where there was a mistake on the general. we got our cabinet in place i think quicker than any other presidency had done in many years. the republicans were cooperative with senate confirmation. >> you know, walk me through when you do reach out to people who were opponents. to fill a government, to fill the top three slots, you won't have enough loyalists. he is going to have to hire people and rubio people. what was your litmus test for bringing in a former opponent? >> i think and we had examples beyond going into former opponents. you are hiring people from the other party and seen that president clinton did that with
his secretary of defense at one point. >> norm ma netta with busch. >> very effective secretary of transportation through the most critical time of 9/11. you are reaching out because people who have worked for each of those candidates are talented people. you want to put together a team of rivals. at the end of the day, all of the management comes out of the white house. a strong chief of staff and an executive decision maker. you can manage this. it is important to bring in the best talent. it should be making these decisions. watching last night, donald trump slipped the press a little bit.
it's not uncommon for president-elects to do this. they are not yet comfortable especially first spouses too. they are not comfortable with the idea that the press will always be with them and not something they enjoy. but it is a necessity. how hard is it to convince the principal that hey, welcome to this job. you ran for it. mac and then anita. >> well, you make the right point. where donald trump is different even though he has been a media celebrity, he has not been an elected official. bill clinton and george bush had been governors and were accustomed to the coverage, but it's nothing like being president of the united states and having the national coverage and international aspect that is quite different. >> right. >> when you have these conversations like hey, this is what it's like. sorry. >> sure. i echo exactly what mac said. no one can completely prepare
you for what this is like, 24-7. every president of the united states does not get a break from it. they get a change of scenery. no vacations now. >> from the media. >> we are annoying like that, aren't we. two pros, thanks for coming on. >> thanks so much. >> coming up, democrats lost last week because rural voters voted against them and urban voters didn't turn out for them. a bad combination. how do democrats regroup? we will talk to one after this. the microsoft cloud helps us stay connected. the microsoft cloud offers infinite scalability. the microsoft cloud helps our customers get up and running, anywhere in the planet. wherever there's a phone, you've got a bank, and we could never do that before. the cloud gave us a single platform to reach across our entire organization. it helps us communicate better. we use the microsoft cloud's advanced analytics tools to track down cybercriminals. this cloud helps
chuck sumer is officially the new leader replacing retired democrat harry reid. dick durbin is coming on and patty murray gets a new title of assistant democratic leader. that's not all. take a look at the other new names in leadership. everybody gets a title. bernie sanders and joe mansion. holding the liberal and moderate wings to leadership and if you were counting along, there are ten democratic leaders in the leadership. we will see if that is a solution for them. coming up, somebody who doesn't have a leadership title anymore.
rural america turned out and a decline in democratic turn out. rural counties produced 500,000 more votes in 2016 than 2012. even though some of them lost population since the last census. in urban counties where the obama coalition resides, people dent turn out to view. 2.5 million fewer people voted than in 2012. they didn't just dupe clinton, but cost senate and democrats on the hill. they are trying to figure out how to bridge the gap. they will have 25 seats so defend and more than half. conference. republicans are only going to have to defend eight seats. they had to make the tough call. they are choosing to discipline themselves from them and they lost. democrats didn't think they had to make the call, but maybe some
of them would benefit between making time between themselves and hillary clinton. now they are left to determine if they missed an opportunity. i had to start with a panel here. the democrat from montana and not yet showing up for this. let me bring in the panel. the supporter for the "new york times." msnbc political analyst. senior adviser and spokesperson for moveon.org. let me start with you. when you see the numbers, just the raw numbers there, it's clear. the democratic coalition didn't show up. >> it's pretty sobering. i want to oako what the president said about how it's not about demographics and it's about getting out there and talking to voters. he talked about how he won iowa. he spent 86 days in iowa and
went into people's homes and had the conversation. that's the thing that democrats need to revisit. how do you talk to all voters? it's important to speak to america, but can't forget the gains we have made with the rising electorate, african americans and latinos. that's one thing that democrats have to figure out how to do. >> i feel like barack obama had the attitude in 07 that nobody thinks nobody will vote for a black man and i will go all over iowa and watch. when iowa accepts me, that will get rid of that mythology. hillary clinton's campaign just assumed those voters are never going to be for trump. clearly we know why. >> looking at the results today, a week later and then the break down of where trump visited and where clinton visited, he
outcampaigned her. >> he was just doing this rally by rally. >> it turns out that rallies did generate votes for him. what republicans are watching right now is how the democrats are going to tack. are they going further to the left and say that was our problem? for republicans that would be a plus because what this election showed was that people are looking more towards the center and it was more of a conservative election. it hurt hillary clinton that she didn't go for the rural voters. >> i did get the sense when you refer to president obama's comments, people said show in shaded hillary clinton. he was sending the message that don't just go all over here. everybody seems to be on the bandwagon to support him and let's go there. the problem is in both directions. >> the problem is in both directions and as you said, i take some issue with the idea of this being an electorate that showed us that everybody was more to the center.
some of the things that donald trump is doing is going after hillary clinton from the left. his talk about trade policies and putting america back to work and speaking to the middle class people and working class people. that was something that i think this electorate taught us. people really want their personal lives and are looking to the government in a way that holds over since 2008 and 2007. that's something that i think i got from this election. this idea that both parties have a mixture of the ideas and that is what the african-american is looking for. >> if you compare the senate campaigns and i will spend more time on this with john tester. i can't remember what the democratic talking points were in the senate campaigns outside of my opponent has not said anything about donald trump. >> it goes back to you can't be against something. you have to give voters something to vote for.
that's another place where democrats have to work hard. what is our messaging? there has been a lot about jobs and the economy and that needs to be a message. that's right, but not just for the white rural america. that will work across the board. >> here's what ought to scare democrats. what if somebody creates and has a color blind working class vote. there is plenty of working class latinos and african-americans who were mad at the system and don't trust the republicans due to race issues. that should be the motivator for democrats to get this right. >> i think that republicans are a little bit out on a because donald trump is not necessarily a republican president. he just had a hostile take over of the party. >> the third party who got the republican nomination. >> how is he going to do it and that's what they figure.
>> do democrats work where they can or not? there is a debate and they sit there and saying don't help them at all. stop flirting with infrastructu infrastructure. >> democrats and president obama said have an open mind. they saw republicans as such an obstructor and shut down the government as they didn't get what they wanted. it would serve the democratic base as well as the people they are trying to get to support them to at least look like they are working with the common goals that they can have. americans are saying if they want trade policies to be changed, it's probably not in the best interest of democrats to be struck back. >> what are your members saying? if you pult a poll, they would say don't work with them at all. >> here's my fear and this is like taking off the democratic strategist hat for a second. i am afraid of an unknown donald
trump. in the sense of we know what he said on the campaign, but god knows how far is he going to take that? what we do know is one of the two people he put into his admistration is a white nationalist. that's just a fact. i know people want to disagree and bring up the ivy league and working in hollywood, but that doesn't negate the fact that he took over breitbart and it became this dumpster fire for racism, bigotry, sexism. that is the fear that i have. this is the guy -- >> would this be the argument to chuck schumer to say don't work with him even on infrastructure because you are giving more aid and comfort to that guy. >> the fear is that we are normalizing him. >> we normalized trump, but we are normalizing -- that's true. >> having the voters normalize him? >> we are normalizing steve
bannon, the who will be whisp whispering in his ear that he will listen to. reince priebus he is not going to listen to. he's going to listen to steve bannon. >> the danger in that is steve bannon successfully pitched his vision of a populous right. ant anti-globalist and anti-free trait and resonated with the majority of the popular vote. it allowed donald trump to get elected and helped propel him into office. >> bannon wanted to be steve of staff and they said no. does that make you feel any better? >> his name came first in the press release. >> i'm just curious. >> i worked in a white house and steve bannon is in the best place. >> he is more powerful? >> he will have the time to play with ideas and figure out what to do and not make the trains run on time. you show up at 3:00 a.m.
>> and he is just going to be the whisperer in donald trump's ear. >> the influence will be telling and we will know quickly and i kind of in some ways to have agree if hishite nationalist ideas start permeating the way the white house is running. we will know quickly how much power he has. >> donald trump's presidency will be defined by the relationship between reince priebus and steve bannon. unless one of them gets fired quickly. >> who is it that truly is steering the ship. i think the jury is out until we see. you guys are sticking around. still ahead, to russia with something. now that donald trump has been elected, what kind of resets can we expect with russia? we'll be right back. today we're gonna be comparing the roll formed steel bed of the chevy silverado to the aluminum bed of this competitor's truck. awesome. yeah! first, let's check out the aluminum bed of this truck.
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welcome back. one question people are asking after donald trump's election is what's going to happen between the u.s. and russia. trump said he is ready to have a strong relationship with russia and leading foreign policy voices in his own party don't agree. lindsey graham said trump wants to reset with russia and maybe he can do it. they are a bad actor in the world and need to be reigned in. john mccain also blasted trump for any attempt to reset saying vladimir putin said he wants to improve relations with the united states. we should place as much faith in
up statements who have plunged the country into sir annie and threatened allies. other than that, john mccain is all for this. listening to the current nsa director, michael rogers on tuesday about russia and the wikileaks hacks. this was not something done by chance and not a statement been purely and so one. that is mixle rogers. nobody is more dialled in to intelligen intelligence. is that who he is referring to? >> absolutely. he is the head of cyber
security. this is not the first time and this hack actually leads back to the kremlin and senior decision making at the highest levels in moscow. president-elect trump seemed to dismiss conclusions and there have been statements based on cyber forensics and analysis that that this came out of the kremlin. will a president trump order his investigations? >> also to respond. this is a serious breech of national security. they have been ingauged in warfare and decided to use the same tactics against the united states. that is incredibly serious.
they will influence politics in a variety of other countries. i think it really is an important question for the president how we deal with what is trying to use the same tools against us. this is what congressional investigations at their best are about. looking into controversies like this when the executive branch may or may not be involved. that's what you want them to do. a republican senate and house and they could be investigating somebody in a trump administration if there is a
link. how confident are you that senate republicans will investigate. they know this is a branch that involves the dnc and could involve china and could involve our banks the next day from iran. into not just what happened, but how the russians have tried to and may try to influence. this is not just a one point in time. the russians are viewing this as a long-term campaign to influence for their own purposes and undermine u.s. interests that involves into serious inquiry.
russia's next move will dump stuff on trump. the whole thing is they provided chaos to shake-up obama and clinton and now you think he got his way, but he will try to mire and muck things up for trump. they have done this before. they used leaks and cyber hacking to influence the political debates within countries and influence elections. this is a period for the russians and thinking about this in the long-term. that scenario could be something that they are thinking about. the various committees that have authority on this.
>> if they don't hold a hearing, you have involved the democrats and there has been question about trump's or anybody connected to trump's knowledge, are they taking a partisan stand. they may look like they are. >> national security. >> whethit's not just this partr hack. this is also with respect to russia, long-term what is russia trying to do with their tools. even if people department want to go down the rabbit hole, you have to look at what's happening in the space. it's a real vulnerability or seen episode after episode where this is a vulnerability. >> what's in effect a punishment
on putin? i know some people think that too. what would make him change his behavior? >> we have sanctions to not just him and his cronies, but elements that he relies about. the panama papers exposed that he uses cut outs. we haven't used the existing executive orders to go after elements of that business empire. that could be done. we can play a symmetric warfare too and play information warfare. >> someone argued we invented it and we have been meek and mild at times, but if push comes to shove, we need to push back. in the context of the ukraine. he cares about what happens to the ukraine. we have not sent weapons. they have taken them seriously. the reality is we have tools to push back. do we have the political will to do it?
>> it's not there there is public criticism, but not really anyone rallying around her either. you are not seeing either response post election and not a heavy amount of blame nor in the popular vote. but that was not very critical. with the win house districts. they pointed at clinton's popular vote win. and seems like the clintons are quietly being wiped off the map in politics. they are being done in a public way and excommunication with
>> we will talk a little transition. let's talk transition in trump world and democratic leadership world as well. the newest name, secretary of state name that my colleague and former republican congressman floated is nikki haley for secretary of state. it would be the first time since martin van buren.
that's what it feels like. rudy giuliani could be secretary of state. people are going around and loo their back grounlds and think, are you sure this is the right fit? but they could need someone other than white men. the idea that they have her name there, means maybe it won't be overwhelmingly white which is a lot of his campaign. >> a wubunch of people seem to showing up. ted cruz, rick santorum said he wasn't interested in the job. okay. sometimes you put that out. it's interesting to me that maybe they're going, well, maybe i ought to get a job. >> it looks like they're paying court to the king right now. except ben carson has said, he is not qualified to be president or run a cabinet. >> that we know that now. >> unbelievable. he wasn't qualified to run a
federal agency. so why did he run for president? >> the direct mail scheme? >> he's sometimes dreadfully honest. >> what kind of cabinet picks could trump make would make you say, that's pretty smart. that's pretty populist of him. like nikki haley. he ought to put the best faces forward. >> that's a smart question to ask. >> it's so funny. we're hearing the leaks and the bit of chaos of the transition. but donald trump said it himself a couple hours ago. he knows who the finalists are. because the office of presidency is like the show. this continues, his cabinet and his administration will be filled with lobbyists and establishment republicans, as we know this was an anti-establishment election, and white supremacists, if it all
holds. >> i do think you see the tension of, i don't think he does want lobbyists. but they don't have a lot of people to fill the jobs. i think he twanlts outsiders but they don't have the resume. by the way, barack obama ran into. this he made a bunch of pledges and then he said, i am stuck with a bunch of exclinton people. >> i think trump is running up against the community that tends to be neo conservative. and they're trying to push a lot of their candidates. you hear senator tom cotton quoted for secretary of defense. where did that come from? john bolton, the ultimate -- >> they couldn't have a more opposite foreign policy than donald trump. >> why would trump be considering individuals the antithesis of what he believes and the more populist platform he ran? >> special when i the lobbyist thing. i know they said trump defended
it. he was uncomfortable defending the lobbyist position. almost like, what? he said, get rid of these lobbyists. i said drain swamp. i don't want to look bad. >> part of is it because he doesn't want to lose credibility so quickly with the people who elected him. if he starts filling the whole white house with someone like jeb bush or marco rubio would have picked, he will look bad and really bad even before inauguration day. >> let's talk about, speaking of transition. is there a house democratic transition? >> we saw the letter from nancy pelosi today that is basically laid out that she, i guess she got a good percentage of her colleagues to support her. so i think it will move in that direction. i have to say, it is not unexpected to see chuck schumer taking over for democrats on the senate side. on the house side, most likely pelosi. i think there are some positives. we did see elizabeth warren the
next day and we did see bernie sanders and bernie sanders is going to be doing outreach. he'll be on the budget which sit important. at the end of the day, the democrats on the hill will need to be the back bone and be in the front line for the resistance, right? they'll be the ones who have to reach out to the grassroots throughout and really listen to the people. it will be on them. >> you know, i'm just wondering. the democrats in the house and the senate will be led by a californian and a new yorker. not an iowan. not a floridian. does that reinforce the out of touchness? >> i think they're completely out of touch and pelosi represents what voters, what the back lash was. >> she's conservative in her district shelf usually gets challenged from the left. okay in. >> but she's a the at a us quo politician. she is the kind of politician to grassroots voters, to rural voters, people outside of our
camps of knowing who is a dem, who is a republican. >> she's been demonized for a long time. >> she's a career relic. >> someone, for donald trump to be able to get people in michigan and wisconsin to resonate with him. that's what midwestern people. they saw themselves in this billionaire new yorker. >> she grew up in the midwest and she was the new yorker. >> i never thought new york would be the center of the universe. thank you, much after the break. an amazing number that shows you how divided this country is. stay tuned.
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military community by the end of 2017. i'm very proud of him. male vo: comcast. i've been waiting all day on share this with you. in case you missed it, florida, florida, florida, holds a lot of meaning to us here. and florida is as competitive as it gets. a key battleground in the past seven presidential elections. just how razor thin is the margin? since 1992, there have been about 50 million votes cast in florida in presidential elections. when you add them all up. all the republican votes, all the democratic votes, it is spread by 11,296. 50 million votes cast. separated by 11,000. no other state. even the other battlegrounds come as close. two other states in the battlegrounds where the
difference since 1992 is over the same amount of time is less than 100,000 votes. virginia and ohio. but seriously. florida, 11,000 votes. since 1992 in seven presidential elections. think about what that says about how divided the battleground states really are. and ohio maintains its nation leading streak, the buckeye state, has voted for the presidential winner every year since 1964. the only state and longest current active streak. that's all for tonight. with all due respect starts now. our magic show tonight, donald trump's great escape, chuck schumer tries to piece it