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bloomberg politics has more on the trump transition plans. have a nice thanksgiving from us. we say to you, sayonara. "hardball" with chris matthews starts now. trump's new hires. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews. we are following up donald trump's transition. governor nikki haley seen by many as a rising star in the republican party. trump naming her his pick to be u.s. ambassador to the united nations. a one time critics of trump's candidacy. she will now be taking over one
of the key diplomatic posts. trump also naming betsy devos to be the next secretary of education. he called her an education advocate. she's been a major proponent of vouchers of the school pick for public education. devos, too, was a strong critic of trump in march shelf called him an interlope here she said does not recommend the republican party. meanwhile, nbc reporting that dr. ben carson is mulling an offer. saying that he is seriously considering carson to be the head of hud. an announcement is forthcoming is that he wrote, after serious discussions with the trump transition team, i feel that i can make a significant contribution particularly to making our inner cities great for everyone. for the latest, how trump's cabinet is shaping up. by kristen welker in palm beach.
let's start with the officials we do know about. haley devos, you're adding voices who are critical of him in the past. what else does that say about donald trump and these two picks this particular? >> i think it is striking. you see him going outside his circle. when he started to name folks, steve bannon, reince priebus, there was concern that he was not looking outside that inner circle. so you have the fact these are two former critics of donald trump. and these are the first two women he is picking to serve as part of his administration. in materials of south carolina governor nikki haley, she is a rising star within the republican party. she is someone who gained national praise when she led that fight to have these confederate flags taken down in her state. she is also someone who opposed the muslim ban but supported
blocking syrian refugees from coming into her state. so she has a large range of different policy positions. many of which do line one donald trump. but as you say, she was a former critic of his. last week after she spoke after meeting with him, she said i'm not going to pretend that i was always a cheerleader for him but did i vote for him and i was thrilled when he was selected. so she ultimately got on board with him and i think that's something that matters to president-elect trump. .to one of his top officials and they said the president had good chemistry. there is a little intrigue with this pick as well. this is a win-win for trump in a number of ways. it elevates lieutenant general henry mcmaster in south carolina to governor. he was an early ally with trump. so it gives him a little bit of an edge. in terms of the pick of devos, she is a former critic.
she is more of a lightning rod. she was praised by jeb bush. she is someone who favors the voucher program and who is opposed to common core. so she could have a tougher confirmation process. i think what you're seeing donald trump trying to diversify his cabinet in a whole host of ways. >> and quickly on ben carson, all those reporting, something is happening a week, two weeks ago. you had ben carson's people putting out this statement that he didn't feel ready to lead a federal agency. now may be on the edge of leading h.u.d. >> i think one of the concerns is that he doesn't necessarily have expertise in housing and urban development. so there was some concern from dr. ben carson himself. would he be ready for this type of position? i was told, he is mulling the
decision. then this evening i spoke to a spokesperson who said he is considering taking up donald trump on the offer. then you read the facebook posts which are a real indication, not only is he considering it. everyone who serves in an administration says ultimatel they felt as if they couldn't say no to the president. to such a high offer. so we'll have to see what he ultimately decides. but i'm told he will take this thanksgiving holiday to really consider it, really consider if he is right for this position. >> and donald trump has yet to make his selection for secretary of state but mitt romney, rorltdly a leading candidate there. publicly lobbying against that selection. >> i am for whoever the president-elect picks. i think there are huge advantages to rudolph giuliani,
frankly. i think if you want someone who will go out and be a very tough negotiator for america and represent american interests in the way the trump campaign, i think rudy is a better pick ask has the right temperament. >> there's only one way that i think mitt romney could even be considered. he goes to a microphone with a public place and repudiates everything he said in that famous salt lake city speech. and everything he said after that. he said that donald trump wasn't fit and lacked character. that's why i think he has to stop and consider. >> for more, joined now by ken vogel and jay newton small. let's talk with this choice between mitt romney, rudolph giuliani, you have gingrich, huckabee. nobody drove them more crazy than mitt romney when they ran
against him. do the anti-mitt romney forces have his ear? >> i think gingrich probably has his tear some extent. he was an early adopter that got on the train early. and a lot of this comes down to these are loyalists and these are not. one thing i think we have to look at with the devos pick. an appeal, not just to the gop establishment but to the donor class. obviously, mitt romney has a huge rolodex. devos is a major donor.
anthony on the transition committee. they will bring along folks who will fund rnc and possibly a trump reelection in 2020. >> well, both were fierce critics of donald trump during campaign. >> mr. trump's bombast is already fueling our allies. he creates scape goats of mexican immigrants. he call for the use of torture. he calls for killing the innocent children and family members of terrorists. this is the very brand of anger that has led other nations into the abyss. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university.
>> and nikki haley delivered the state of the union speech. >> we must resist that temptation. >> you were talking about those loudest voices, the angriest voices. in that context you were referring to donald trump, correct? >> he was one of them. yes. mr. trump has definitely contributed to what i think is irresponsible talk. >> donald trump is everything i taught my children not to do in kindergarten. i will not stop until we fight man who choose tos tonight disavow the kkk. >> well, we heard mike huckabee saying, look, donald trump's base, donald trump's voters, his supporters won't stand for this. you can't put somebody in a position like secretary of state like mitt romney who said those kinds of things like donald
trump and never repudiated them. is there anything to that risk that donald trump would face putting that forward in. >> i think this will be an issue through his entire tenure. especially as he looks at thinking of re-election. it is the angry base. he's done that last week with his appointments of michael flynn, with the head of the ceo, jeff sessions, sorry, jeff sessions as a.g., so you saw him do these really bombastic fire brand appointments. and now he's looking more toward branching out and make bridging to the establishment republicans who he has to work for the next four years. they control congress. these are people who obviously did not want to see him get
elected. now he has to make sure the party is behind him. he is creating a team of rivals. he is creating a team will debate very vociferously amongst. they and it will be very interesting to watch those debates. they recommend two sides of a republican party that he has to bridge and represent the whole party. >> i get feeling the decision here trump is facing on secretary of state is bigger even than that. not just the question of establishment republicans. talking about the donor class. i've been hearing the critics saying, not that they would be trump supporters but to reassure that there there be stability. >> to put whatever good face on whatever happens. as donald trump said himself, he looks like he was born to play
the part of ekt of credibility. and his fortune leaders are especially worried. he is much more isolationist. his job will be to reassure our partners no, donald trump isn't going on blow up the world and make massive change. and that's a great face to put on it. that's a common reassuring face and i think it is one that calms is that reassures people capitol hill. democrats and republicans alike who are very worried that donald trump really might basically screw up a lot of our relationships around the world. mitt romney also doesn't have a ton of experience in foreign policy. he pressed the case very
aggressively against barack obama including calling russia our number one geopolitical foe during a debate in 2012. but he is a private equity guy. he vex fits into this mode that we have seen of trump nominees who don't really have a lot of subject areas of expertise. >> is it durable though? if donald trump sxgs says something or tweet something, or just something that cause as controversy, is mitt romney not going to be able to say anything? when they are saying, do you stand by what he just said? if mitt romney says something trump perceives is a slight, is trump going to have his back? or is he going to lash out? >> on that last part, i think everything we've seen not.
donald trump likes people who like him. whether it is vladimir putin. he said vladimir putin said nice things about him or his reversal on barack obama who he criticized during campaign that you suddenly has nice things about him. he is trying on thread the need well trump. let alone mitt romney who has an edge. someone who has some air space between them. we will note that. and then i think trump given his inclination would be hard pressed to not respond. and this is an uncomfortable position. when a lot of neo cons and the hawks were going into it, making this case that the weapons of mass destruction, he privately
disagreed and they were leaked to the press. i don't know that mitt romney will ever be an insider on the trump team the way hillary clinton was an insider on barack obama's team. >> all right. thank you both for joining us. coming up, trump's transition. president-elect trump is a lot different in his sitdown than when he was candidate trump. we'll take a dive into his newest comments and see what reve reveal. and next, trump may be preparing for office but hillary clinton's vote count continues to climb. we'll tell you how many her lead has climbed. it is an historic number. we might be looking at. and getting ready for the big day tomorrow. we have a survival guide on how to speak to your families about
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>> i will say it is a great american jewel. a world jewel. >> that was donald trump with some rare words of praise for the "new york times." that during his meeting at the paper's headquarters yesterday. his op ed columnist described it as he wants nothing more than for his audience to be impressed. when it is a group of people like us who haven't clapped the way he likes, he sands down his edges. not only did trump back off his promises to prosecute hillary clinton, he showed he was rethinking his support for torture after a conversation with general jim mattis. >> i met with him at length and i asked him that question. i said what do you think of waterboarding? he said, i was surprised. he said, i've never found it to be useful. he said, i've always found, give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and do i better with that than i do with torture. >> another example of how trump now appears willing to reconsider some of the hard line positions he took on the campaign trail.
for more now, i'm joined by the "washington post" robert costa, an mbls analyst, as well as a political report we are nbc news. so robert, i'll start with you. you've interviewed him. you've been following this guy from the very beginning. the trump who showed up on what seemed to be a charm offensive, how much of that is donald trump moving into a new role now that he is president-elect and not a candidate? >> trump throughout his career has always changed his volume level, his settings politically depending on his audience. not that he changes the message or the substance but he changes the presentation. he wants to keep the populist conservative side of the party with him. but he knows he has a problem. the establishment and the media
and much of his own party is wary of him. he has to repair some relationships. >> it is an interesting situation. if he has the problems with the media, this is a guy who ran outside the republican party. he has republican leaders who are just as skeptical. he is a lot more of a blank canvas. you have the positions he took in the campaign. even during the campaign he was at odds with the republican leadership. now he goes to the "new york times" yesterday. he drops these hints that make a liberal audience maybe get a little bit hopeful. do we have any sense where he will land in. >> i don't think so. he's been bashing the "times" the whole campaign, talking about how they're losing readers. and then praised them, a crown jewel. and then he made the comments. if you look at them carefully.
he was asked about separating the business from, while he was president. he said he was asked about climb change. he gave some liberal words about climate change. he didn't really commit to it. even on torture, he said he would change view but he didn't change vision. he changed what they would hear more. he didn't really change his views. on obamacare, he said he would like some parts of it with you it is not clear what he would do. he is still leaving himself a lot of wiggle room on the right and the left. >> right. those comments that perry is talking about about obamacare, they came after he sat down with president obama. and apparently, he is now donald trump, now practically gushing when the name barack obama comes up. so just one meeting with barack obama seems to change the way he
talks about him. maybe got him to reconsider some of what he's been saying about obamacare. i'm curious if you think this is an accurate assessment. is he one of those guys, we've seen leaders before, the last person who gets to them before they have to make a decision, that's the one that will weigh on him the most. that will have the most influence in shaping where he finally come down on something. >> that's certainly a trait that has defined trump throughout much of his life. it is more than just echoing, the president-elect didn't run as part of the movement right or the traditional republican party. and so there is this pragmatism at the core of what he's doing in the transition, in these interviews. it is part of the chaos. you always see, there is this
undefined pragmatism that is in many ways a blank canvas. that's why "the new york times" takes away that impression from their conversation. and they wonder corks their own agenda be trump's if the cards are played right? >> he also spoke with the role his son-in-law jared kushner may have in the administration despite accusations of nepotism. >> the president of the united states is allowed to have whatever conflicts he wants. he or she wants. i don't want to go there. jared is a very good guy, a very smart guy. the people know him, he is a quality person and i think he can be very helpful. i would love to be the one that made baes israel and the palestinians i would love that. that would be such a great achievement. nobody has been able to do it. i think he would be very good at i. he knows the region, he knows the people, knows the players. and you can put that down in a list of many things that i would
like to be able to do. >> so during campaign when the subject of donald trump and his business, his family would come up. look, if i get elected president, i want the family to go run the business. i focus on the country. now he's saying maybe those lines being more blurry long term than he was saying. you have this role for jared kushner on the inside right now. >> what i heard, you heard a lot of criticism about nepotism and then family staying involved in the business. donald trump didn't seem to say anything that he would change his mind or move to where his critics want him to. i heard him saying jared kushner will play pretty big role, even on a foreign policy role. that's a big role. and he kept saying, he said two or three time in the interview, there is no conflict of interest. the law doesn't apply to me. that is correct technically. that doesn't reassure his
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authorities stay school bus that crashed monday in chattanooga was not on its designated route. five children died in the crash. the first family spent part of the day serving a pre thanksgiving meal serving veterans. they visited the retirement home in washington, d.c. and in new york city, security will be tight for tomorrow's thanksgiving parade. officials say they are ready. they say there is no credible or specific threat. back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." thanksgiving is upon us. it is supposed to be a time together with family and friends and express our gratitude for health, happiness and good fortune.
this year's holiday follows the election. 37% of americans say it is likely they'll discuss politics at their dinner. i think the real number might be higher than that. so don't let a political disagreement put you and your loved ones, get ready, in a fowl mood. if you can't avoid talking politics, it is best not to wing it. i promise that's the last one. how to survive a political debate at thanksgiving. ron reagan, political an list and commentator, and nancy giles. 37% in that poll say they think this will come up at their family thanksgiving. i think the real number will end up being higher. and i think that's a good thing. one thing that became clear is this idea of two americas where nobody talks to each other. a real thing. you get extended family. you'll get two together.
how do you keep it civil? what are the keys? >> i'm still in shock. i might as well put that out there. and i've been doing a lot of creative visualization exercises and get me over the hump. by the way, i really liked your wing and feather jokes. they weren't fowl at all. i've been thinking one way to bridge the dwap in the conversation is to treat whatever your eating area, kind of in the same way you would an airplane once they lock the main cabin door. check your exits to make sure you have an idea, if you have to make a hasty retreat. keep your valuables under the seat, a little bit in front so if you need on make a fast exit, you can grab those things and bolt. if you need use some alcohol, make sure you're traveling with a designated driver who are you have your a.m.s for a lyft or uber handy so you're not drinking and driving. sometimes a little booze can smooth over those conversations.
>> kit smooth them over but in many cases it makes it worse. i think that's the question. if it is inevitable it will come up at your family dinner, how does it start? you don't want to be the instigator but someone will bring it up. >> i would recommend not being the instigator. particularly if you're on the current losing side in this election. just let it go. it is also important, a lot of people travel for the holidays. all over the country. probably very important to check whether you're going to be traveling to a concealed carry state. that will probably be a trump state. and you might want to moderate your discussion accordingly. uncle bob in this case might be packing heat. and you might not want to cross him. i wouldn't know. i wouldn't instig tate conversation. let it come to you. >> let me ask you. the two americas that never get
together. your family. that would have been the situation. you're on the left. your dad obviously an icon of conservative republicanism. what were thanksgivings like in the reagan household in. >> well, like any other family. i have to say in this particular case, we would not be arguing. nobody in the family would be in disagreement over this particular result of the election. of course, we would have arguments all the time. but presidents' families are like any other family, there is the kid at the table who wants to always be poking dad and all that stuff. that would be me, often. but yes. it is like 90 family. you argue. it is about keeping it civil. you can have the discussion and there is no reason to pretend that we all have to be in a kumbaya mood. >> if you are on the losing
side, you can always try to be nice and mention things like nice republicans. and ron's father would be one. eisenhower, another one. who maybe taxed on the high side but we got roads and bridges and the interstate. >> find some common ground. >> should there be some kind of rule? it is family ultimately. if it starts getting heated, who can be the hero who challenges the single? a funny story of the family's history? well, families even without politics. that can be some loaded stuff on thanksgiving. i've been going over things like how about those cubs? what's up with kanye! or how about those kardashians can get you off the topic. >> change the subject. >> i'm still literally having problems breathing. going back to the airplane metaphor. i feel like i have to do breathing exercises to make sure the cabin pressure goes down and then i can help others after i've calmed my own breathing
down. >> are you feeling any apprehension heading into tomorrow? >> no. nobody at my table will be in agreement on this. we're having some fun with this and we should on a day like today, the day before thanksgiving. but this is one of those elections that's different than other elections. i'm old enough to remember the '60s and '60s and vietnam where the discussions were very heated. there have been other very heated periods. you can remember 1976 and uncle bob giving a roast. but this is a different sort of election. it is not just that the two sides of the table will disagree about let's say tax cuts or foreign policy or something. were unside of the table is feeling present smug and the other side genuinely worried that we've made the terrible tragic error that will drag our country down.
that's a tough thing on swallow. we need to be mindful. >> wow, that really brought me down. >> yeah. thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much. and coming up, back to our top story. donald trump stocking his cabinet. you're watching "hardball." world ugly and messy. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary, and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful. they also know you need to getg your annual check-up. now with one touch using the mycigna app you can find a doctor in your plan's network to save money.
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it is my prayer on this thanksgiving, we begin to heal our divisions and move forward as one country shared by purpose and very, very common resolve. this historic political campaign is now over. but now begins a great national campaign to rebuild our country and to restore the full promise of america for all of our people. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was donald trump in a thanksgiving video released by
his transition team, calling on the nation to come together. that video came as trump's unorthodox transition plowed ahead. for more on his transition, i'm joined by our roundtable, joan walsh, raul reyes, and kristin tate, author of federal government gone wild. how d.c. politicians are taking you for a ride and what do you know about it. thank you for being here. i'll start on the trump critic side of our panel. we've got a couple new appointments. nikki haley, absolutely a critic during the campaign. a lot of people seeing that as a signal that trump is trying to give. and also, mitt romney joining the team. as a trump critic, if you have vociferous critics like romney and haley, does that give you any reinsurance? >> not really. i cannot believe mitt romney
would take this job if offered. he would have to put his conscience in a blind trust. after listening to the clip about what you said. to then reverse that. nikki haley, it is tough for her too, but mitt really went way farther. so i'm not necessarily reassured. what i see today, i think they are rattled by the critique of white nationalists being associated with the campaign. we have a woman of color. a behind of possibly dr. ben carson and a woman. so there is a little of that. but also an astonishing lack of attention to any kind of experience on the part of certainly haily and carson if she accept. it is really staggering. that somebody who turned down syrian refugees, for example, in south carolina srgs going to be chab rating, representing us with a body so important to the resettlement of refugees wherever we think they might belong. so there is a lot of i gnorance
here. >> when you look at mitt romney and nikki haley and the things they have said about donald trump, sneespecially in the casf mitt romney. this is a level you don't normally see. would that be durable in any way? in terms of a working partnership? having somebody like that be your secretary of state? >> look, trump will be a very action and results oriented president. he is not king and he understands that he needs to work with other people to get things done. i think that's why we've seen him tone down the rhetoric. and also why we've seen him reach out to folks like nikki haily and mitt romney. people who haven't been his biggest supporters. he is not a candidate anymore,
he is now president-elect. we've all been talking about how the republican party is in so much party. i think it is the democrats in big trouble. it is the surprise republicans who are running right now. they didn't think he would win this. so what is the message right now many that you're seeing. >> we're seeing the picks, discussing today, to me it is the saner heads to main stream a candidate who we know from his own words, is a bigot, a sexual predator, has endorsed the groups. remember, the worst that we know about trump came from him. secondly what these picks have
in common, none of them as you touched on, are particularly suited for their job. even mitt romney. donald trump said yes, he looks the part. remember when mitt romney went to europe in 2012? he went to england saying they weren't ready for the olympics. off to the middle east. saying that jerusalem is the definitive capital of israel and enraged the palestinians. then he went back to poland. so three gaffes. nikki haley has no experience. even ben carson, i can see him possibly in health and human services but he doesn't really have experience. housing and urban development. >> the american people don't want political experience. that's what we learned in this election. they want outsiders. trump is going to get doers. people who have experience in the real world. look at the trump organization. he always thirs best of the best. and i want to talk about -- >> let's let her finish her thought. >> i think it is really
important that we talk about betsy devos. the woman whoo he chose to be the secretary of education. trump has said that he wants to bring prosperity to the inner cities. that was the cornerstone of his campaign. the way you do that is bringing school choice to these inner cities. and i think that is going to be one way that he is going to mark his presidency and be able to lift all americans up. i think that was a good move. >> it is an interesting distinction. you had someone saying the other day that ben carson doesn't think he can be ready. if you look at betsy devos, her back ground. this is an area she's been interested in. i can see another republican president appointing her. >> she is such an education extremist. that she will preside over public education is terrifying. >> how is school choice extreme? >> she is not just in favor of school choice. that's a part of it. >> she would be a pick.
probably any republican president. >> i disagree. >> we're in the process now of normalizing -- >> she is a very anti-lgbt candidate. she is someone who -- she is not just about school choice. what she is about is using public funds for private schools shelf herself has never, she did not receive a public school education. none of her children have. >> i think we would be having the same debate if john kasich whom she supported. >> i think she falls into the category -- >> i don't think -- >> we have to squeeze a break in. we're a little late for one. we'll be right back. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine.
on black friday make some time for black humor on a special edition of "hardball" hosted by chris matthews. you can join in at 7:00 eastern as he looks at al the rules that donald trump broke on his way to the white house. we're calling it how not to run for president and win. you can catch that friday night 7:00 eastern.
all right. we're back. and some abouting news to tell you about, hillary clinton's national popular vote lead over president-elect trump has now surpassed 2 million votes. much of that margin coming from heavily democratic california where they are sill counting. remember, trump made it to the white house by winning 290
electoral votes, could go to 306 when they certify michigan. nearly 5 million supporters have signed an online petition to urge electors to pick clinton when they vote on december 19. the chances not good. donald trump will be the next president. hillary clinton will win for actual popular votes. >> right. >> that is a symbolic thing when you look for the actual specific meaning, but from a practical standpoint, next year democrats are the opposition party. will that mean anything practically? >> i think so. i think it will give her some spine. she's going to get about 2.5 million more votes in the end. that's unprecedented. it will cause people to challenge the electoral college. if this were fair system california would have 200 compared to wyoming. the per capita mismatch given the growth in the blue states, it's unfair. absolutely unfair. >> what do you make of it? >> you said the election is over.
it's done. we have our president-elect. however, we do have researchers from university of michigan, from m.i.t., from stanford saying not that there is any evidence of hacking but that there could be -- >> we should be really careful -- we should be careful with this because when you start looking at the vote patterns they're looking at, they are explained by population distribution. >> but they do also say that there could be. now, this is something -- >> i got to be honest, this one's making me uncomfortable. i saw that last night and i took a real close look at it today. i got to say i can't see anything to this. there were no anomalies in iowa and minnesota and those are paper ballot states. if the kind of things they're talking about were happening we wouldn't see a two-point race in minnesota and a ten-point win in iowa. >> just consider for a second if this situation were reversed, without any certainty, the republicans would be demanding the -- >> we're talking hypotheticals.
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together, we're building a better california. all right. we're back. tell me something i don't know. >> during the last year the media has been trying tirelessly to paint trump as an anti-muslim bigot but no one's talking about the fact that three times as many muslims voted for trump than for romney in 2012. i thought that was a really interesting fact. >> where is that from?
>> actually care released this figure. romney received only 4% of the muslim vote, trump got almo15%. >> i have a number, 48%, 40%, basically half, that's the percentage of people in the agriculture industry who are undocumented. when we're celebrating our thanksgiving we should think about all those things come from, turkey, sweet potatoes, all those things are labor intensive and they depend on undocumented workers. >> get ready to learn more about the emoluments claus in the constitution because it will be talked about a lot. it prohibits our elected officials from taking gifts or financial donations from foreign leaders. donald trump had the hotel in washington where foreign diplomats are already staying. he's on a collision course with the emoluments clause in the constitution. >> that will be the last word tonight. >> wow. >> i'm going to learn what that word is one of these days. thank you for joining us.
that is "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. have a very happy thanksgiving. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> if i become president i couldn't careless about my company. it's peanuts. >> the historically unprecedented opportunity for self-dealing with a businessman as president. >> in theory, i can be president of the united states and my business 100%. >> plus, the latest cabinet picks. a governor for the u.n., a school voucher advocate for education, and dr. ben carson under consideration for hud? >> i know that i grew up in the inner city and have spent a lot of time there. >> then the prospects for minority rule as clinton passes a 2 million popular vote lead. the fight between the president and