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>> i'm going to learn what that word is one of these days. thank you for joining us. that is "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. have a very happy thanksgiving. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. chris hayes is up next. tonight on "all in." >> if i become president i couldn't care less about my company. opportunity for self dealing with a businessman as president. >> in theory, i could be president of the united states and run my business a hundred percent. >> plus the latest cabinet picks of governor for u.n., school voucher for education and dr. ben carson under consideration for hud? inner city. and have spent a lot of time there. minority rule as clinton passes
a 2 million popular vote lead. and fact checking donald trump's latest tilt at wind milles. >> the wind is a very deceiving thing. the united states. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. york times yesterday, his administration, quote, we are trying hard to get the best not necessarily the people that people because that hasn't been working. some are known and some are not their field as being the best. so trump says it is very important to get experts in their field. people known to be the best. that is what he told the "new york times." trump tapped as ambassador to the united nation webs south carolina republican governor nikki haley who said she accepted the position out of she
was urging republicans to reject him and gop response to the state of the union response earlier this year. quote the people of south nikki haley, exclamation point. the daughter of indian immigrants will note the top five picks were white men. it is also a gift to one of trump's most loyal backers. south carolina lieutenant governor who nominated trump for president at the republican national convention and who will now be promoted to governor, not a bad career break for him. yesterday trump tweeted that he dr. ben carson as head of hud. department of housing and urban development. offer. forthcoming about my role in helping to make america great again. carson accepted the position but if trump were to tap carson for hud it would be a remarkable
choice and not just because trump once compared carson's pathological to that of a child molester. >> i don't want some not with pathological disease. i'm not saying he's got it, he said it. pathological liar, i'm not saying it. disease. sop retired neuro surgeon has zero relevant experience. the job trump is eyeing him for. the fact he was pressed on yesterday. >> what would steer to you take a job for which a lot of folks degreeses and one of the nation's top neuro surgeons, this? inner city. and have spent a lot of time there and have dealt with a lot of patience from that area. and recognize that we cannot
have a strong nation if we have weak inner cities. >> if having spent time in the quote inner cities and growing up there qualifies carson for hud there are little rattly millions of people qualified for the job. last week when reports surfaced that carson was considered for secretary of health and human services, his business partner, armstrong williams who speaks for him, said carson simply doesn't have the experience to run a federal bureaucracy and believes it would be, and i'm quoting here, be a diser isses have -- be a disservice to try to do so. 8400 employees, budget of $48 will.9 million within one enforcing fair housing laws or doesn't sometimes and oversees funding for 1.2 million public housing. jay i will start with you. i have to say, you know, this feels like he was maybe going to get hhs his own spokesperson says he is not qualified to run a federal agency and now he is
floated for hud which seems like a blatant humiliation of the department, frankly. last fall when ben carson cared so much about his campaign that book tour. this is not the man who has ever cared about being president. this is not man who ever cared this is a man who earlier this campaign season said well i'm kind of endorsing trump because he offered me the best deal. he is grotesquely unqualified for this position. it is an embarrassment he would possibly accept it. speaks to the mind of donald trump. over in housing and urban development regardless of what his actual skill set may happen to be. but i guess that is fitting for supremacist to be senior council.
>> you know, one of the thing -- i know a lot of people in the housing world. familiar with. is this idea that like maybe we better have carson who doesn't know anything, than someone who is super qualified to destroy public housing. or wage war on the department. >> maybe. though the thing i find weird about this is that trump made middle class housing. whithering away of federal subsidies for department construction. they know who is competent and qualified for this job it would be the first real estate developer president in history. >> and the other thing, i would not think of donald trump of thinking as hud as a throw-away housing. it is not just managing housing projects. i would think donald trump would think this is an important position. >> it is important.
that he thought it was. there are other things i thought he wouldn't care about. and the other thing is, i wonder if he would get confirmed if he was named. >> i think would he have a problem. >> he is so obviously unqualified. people like ben carson who run these campaigns. of the united states. >> right. sass or some other senator who doesn't care for donald trump or the circus of the republican party, this seems like a place you might vote no on the doesn't seem like a terrible pick. the fact that this is a huge promotion for one of its earliest backers who now gets to take the throne. >> yeah. president-elect trump managed to pay off so many people already in two weeks of president-elect.
this is what is problematic not that she has no international experience one way or another, she had a few meetings with indian business connections. not as if she has a large. a foreign investment as governor in south carolina. she knows nothing about this particular area she is being put in. given the fact donald trump has get rid of the iran deal. i want to get out of the paris agreement it would matter to have someone at u.n. who knows >> i do not think it is an overstatement to say that world feels as unstable and precarious right now as it any time in the last 60 years. and the u.n. is a key body to navigate that.
>> yeah. although i am trying to prior advertise my outrage -- >> yes. it's not john bolton. >> someone with foreign policy. >> my sense is that nikki haley is within the mainstream of the republican party. she seems to be a smart talented person. nasty politics that she has diplomatic way that suggests that she might at least have a raw skill set and at the u.n. even if she doesn't have direct foreign relations experience. as for with a why she would want the job and nikki haley probably wants it run for president. she has no foreign policy experience. if she takes this job, she will >> there was something floated for treasury today that you were freaking out about. >> yeah. former ceo of bbt and ran thecato institute think tank. john ellison has the banking get willing rid of the fdic, get rid of federal reserve --
>> get rid of deposit insurance. >> but he said banks should be required to have much more capital. and so the, i think it would be quite a bad pick. he seems like the sort of person who would say in 2008 -- >> let all else fail. >> i don't think wall street would like his nomination so my hope is there would be a coalition of republicans and democrats that would kill the nomination. >> thanks to you both. >> thank you. >> trump's other big announcement is his choice to be the next secretary of education. koch brothers align, mega hard activist, focussing on charter schools and vouchers for private schools at the expense of traditional public education. trump is proposing spending $20 billion on school choice
initiatives which is almost as much as the country now invests special education programs combined. both described as driving force behind the school voucher programs if her home state of michigan. amount of kids in charter schools than any other city other than new orleans. they have fewer regulation answers as reported in june many detroit students feel they have lots of choice with no good choice as half charters perform only as well or worse than detroit's traditional public schools. super psyched about this pick. >> no. if trump wanted someone as big destroyer of public education, that's what he got and that's what he looked for. he said there's is no regulation he likes. and frankly there's no public we were concerned about there when
he raised $20 billion that is more money than goes to every single poor kid from federal government for education in and more money than goes to every single special needs kid. so he picked somebody who will destabilize or who will attempt to destabilize and defund -- >> let me ask you this. you represent the teachers a large one. if it were marco rubio or mitt romney, could you imagine a secretary of education you would be happy with. >> yes. >> ultimately you could see a secretary of education that came from a state because he had a coalition with lamar alexander and john cline on the change of federal education policy to bring that policy back to the
local communities, to let teachers and parents run their own schools. anding make sure the federal government did the equity work but to focus on children and not testing. what we saw chris, is that in detroit where i spent a lot of time this year, the faith community, business community, parents, teachers, all came together on a rescue plan for detroit schools which passed the the one person who hated it was betsy devos and she spent $1.4 million, think about draining the swamp, in about six weeks, to stop that plan. the labor rights continued. what did that stop? that plan required charters to require the same playing field and same things for our kids as public schools.
she wanted no none of it and that's why she stopped it. >> in some ways, this is the first pick that's the most connected to the koch brothers billionaire donor class ideological wing of the >> absolutely. >> they give lots of money. she is very clear about the fact that they would like to get rid of the public education. call it government education. this is a very hard-edged agenda. ironic. remember, donald trump said the drain the swamp. money to buy influence. let me give you a quote. i know a little something about soft money as my family is the largest single contribute our of soft money to the republican national party. i decided to stop taking offense at the subject we are buying influence. now i concede the point. what they have done is drain funding out of public schools.
31 states pay less for public schools than they did before the recession. at and which think tanks and liberals endorsed charter schools, is the ideological difference between what she represents and arnie duncan represent thread large? >> yes. having charters -- i didn't like what arnie did about testing. >> yeah, you guys are very critical. it about testing as opposed to about teaching. there are a lot of excess that was reigned in. i give the president a lot of credit because he saw the but this is the difference. arnie duncan never wanted to destabilize and defund public schools and use vouchers that bronx.
graduation rate. a union represented charter. it got one of the new blue the point is clarters were supposed to have a role in a bigger system to help ensure that all kids get a descent c donald trump's time as president-elect, there are ominous signs about his conflict of interest including his own suggestion he could run his he to whom does he owe favors? with wlom is he secretly partnered? to his head as he is poised to the first rule of being a viking.
the show during the campaign repeatedly and kept stressing is that the people, political world were generally underappreciating the scope of possible con fliblgts of interest should donald trump become president the real estate empire ease >> i have ivanka and eric and don sitting there, run the company, kids. i'm going to do it for america. >> so put your assets in a blind trust? trust if ivanka and eric and don run it. is that a blind trust? i don't know. blind trust. in his first interview after winning the election, donald trump said his business was peanuts in the importance of running the country. >> this is big league stuff.
this is our country. our country is going bad. i'm going to save our country. i don't care about hotel occupancy. we will do. >> now is trump essentially bragging he could run his business out of the oval office if he wanted to. >> i think there is something massive trust and also -- nothing is written. in other words in theory, i could be president of the united states and run my business a hundred percent, sign checked on my business -- i could run my and then run the country and there was never a -- there's never been a case like this where somebody had -- like if you look at other people of wealth, they didn't have this kind of asset and this kind of
wealth frankly. but there is a no -- i assumed that you would have to set up some type of trust or whatever and you know, and i was actual lay little bit surprised to see it. anything. something. i would like to try and formalize something. because i don't care about my business. so i don't have to do anything but i want it do something, if i can. unprecedented opportunity as trump notes for say corruption or self-dealing that comes with having a president with such a large business enterprise is now here. his latest piece is called trump's conflicts will be crippling. i feel like this is something that is not really ideological in any real sense. not about obama care repeal. not about public education. just about what you can trust that the president is doing the people's business and not trump's business. evil guy, in this just to get himself even richer. but that's totally unnecessary. the normal measure we use when
measure -- when looking at these things, conflict of interest, do everyone a serving the national interest, does that conflict? and obviously, yes. even if it happens on a subconscious level that is something we have to worry about. tenant, the industrial and commercial bank of china, largest bank in the world and state-owned enterprise by the that's a problem. because a lot of our foreign policy clashes with china having the state-owned enterprises. even if he is not trying to enrich himself the fact he has one pull which is how his company would profit and another poll serving the public >> and it seems to me, one of the things about this, that that example which i hadn't thought of, which is that that bank is a tenant in trump tower, they rent space, he collects collection he >> presumably. seems like if i were politically advising him, and i wanted his agenda to succeed, it does seem
like something that will be a pain. before the election, a lot of people saying, they have to shut down the clinton foundation because whatever you think of it, and i tend to think that the conflict stuff was overblown but the perception was real, you don't want to deal with this everyday. if i were advising president-elect trump, i think i would be telling him the same thing. elijah cummings and msnbc are going to come after trump for every apparent conflict of interest. are for the people being done in conflict. >> and it makes it easier to get done what he wants to get done if he clears it away. another things is trump's personality. we know how impressionable he is. a lot of people say oh, he is a hard line right winger. that's bogus. he is very impressionable, what do you think of this person, chuck shumer? oh, schumer was good when i had this real estate deal. how people treat him affects how
he sees them. we kind of laughed when george w. bush said he looked into the ice of vladimir putin and saw his soul. someone treats one of his businesses well, is that all it takes to convince trump to -- >> right. >> that's where i'm worried that trump is very impressionable. even with no bad intent his businesses make him susceptible to that sort of -- >> that's a great point too. you don't have to pause at the dark profit mode, that you will use the office for profit. all you have to say is if they start steering business or regulatory favors to turkish properties or if anything happens in another place, right, does that essentially end up with state favor with the most powerful person in the world that country? >> right. and you see it on a dozen other stuff is the stuff that worries on the domestic stuff, this is
trump's style of governance. tank that hosted the event. now found with founder fabian and along with his wife worked with russia and syria in the russian/syrian conflict. after, his wife said there is hope russia and the united states will reach accord in the issue of the syrian crisis such hope and belief is the with donald trump junior in don was addressing a roundtable in paris and shs was present for that talk in a group of 30 people. matter. sus suspended talks with russia over the serious cease-fire and john kerry called for cease-fire for bombing hospitals in rebel-held aleppo which the u.n. said resulted in 376 villain deaths over two weeks. just two weeks after u.s. called out russia for war crimes and donald trump jr -- last week upon trump's election there were signs of putton air strikes in aleppo resume as there is new
said resulted in 376 villain deaths over two weeks. just two weeks after u.s. called out russia for war crimes and donald trump jr -- last week upon trump's election there were signs of putton air strikes in aleppo resume as there is new offensive in syria. being the child of nation's president is enough to qualify for you key matters of state craft. but of course we are in a after the break, world leader who may be most analogous to trump and won three election came to power front business rather than politics. oh yeah one bottle has the grease cleaning power of two bottles of this bargain brand.
bolter to reporters yesterday that he can quote be the and run my business a hundred directly run list international business a. holding talks with russian supporters. new system of government in the if you are looking for global comparisons look no further than silvio berlusconi. he said quote there are some obvious similarities. he made his first fortunate as real estate developer. his critics disagree with him
and saw him as unfit to lead the country. in the end result, he is italy's longest serving prime minister. served until 2011 when eu leaders forced him to resign. while the parallels are there, while trump steam rolled the party in his way to victory, berlusconi made his own party. as recently pointed out on twitter, berlusconi analogies compelling in many ways but italy doesn't have nuclear weapons end the u.s. doesn't have eu institutions as a check. it would be a terrible mistake for america's political establishment to dismiss trum. him uneliktable. >> all right, start explaining where you see the parallels as most important between these two
figures. >> hi, chris, thank you for having me. over the place, the conflict of interest, the fact that they are not only businessmen but they want to continue with their transactional way of doing office, trump and berlusconi alike continue doing businesses even after elected. berless coney tried to approve 13 laws to help his business or to shield him from indictment. i mean, the smell of corruption is all over the place since the moment donald trump was elected. his daughters, his sons participated at meetings he had with dignitaries, heads of state, talk about the japanese meeting, indian partner meeting, even the phone call with argentina president when after the next day all of his
businesses were approved. he wasn't even hiding it. yesterday, he said something like obviously his name is becoming hot. he used that word. meaning we will do business all over the place. the problem with that, government around the world would smell corruption and think the only way it please the president of the united states country. of conflict of interest and border line corruption. but /- burr less coney, who ran his business as head of state, enduring in the head of state
with list wife, parties with workers and extremely crass and offensive comments. people would thought would be disqualifying and yet he had an appeal that persisted past that. talk about that. >> it is exactly what happened with tru trump. he was deflecting. when he knew what was happen appealing to hate groups and islam phobic and these kind of groups and i would say, neofascists using trump as an after avatar to get back into power. we never knew what he would do on the -- about education. in his way we kept talking about
to this and that and basically fall into the trap of talking about trump all the time. he personalized politics, just like berlusconi. it was dominated like berlusconi. they kept talking about his scandals, insults, gaffs, here and there. and basically he dominated italian politics for so long because he decimated opposition. opposition couldn't come up with public opinion. he saw the public opinion a dream, to become rich like him and have beautiful women around him. some heads of state who wasn't good looking. sacrifice himself. christ of politics. trump says he will create millions of jobs.
he promised millions of jobs. by the time he left office, didn't create any jobs. only person that got rich was himself. the problem with that in america, i think, sooner or later, when reality will hit, and it is usually hits, it is like gravitiy, people will wake up to a disaster as foreign policy, disasterous economic pol of corruption all over the lace. >> thank you for joining us. eye appreciate it. while hillary clinton's popular vote lead continues to grow, highlights a major dilemma for the democratic party. the first rule of being a viking.
very expensive. they kill the birds and they look terrible. the wind mills they kill all the eagles. the wind mills kill your birds. killed. blow, folks. things. >> thing 1 tonight, donald trump has never been shy about sharing his dislike for wind power. instead when pressed about keep off-shore wind farms away from one of his scottish golf courses during meeting with british politician and brexit instigator trump pivoted way from a possible conflict of interest to possible wind power instead. power recently? >> you brought it up in the meeting, didn't you? not doing with me. wind is very deceiving. united states.
>> fact check 2 in 660 seconds. according to donald trump when it comes to renewable wind powered energy quote we don't make the wind mills in the that is categorically untrue. the reason we know it is categorically untrue is because two years of ago we followed wind turbine blades from a north the wind turbines came from ge, an american company. >> it allows to you operate the >> this is made into reality at factories like lm wind power in grand forks, north da yoeta. business is good. seven days a week and they expect to produce 1800 blades this year alone. >> about six blades, sometimes five, come out every single day. >> last month ge announced plans to purchase lm wind power which employs 640 people.
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than nixon's win over humphrey eight years later. when it looked like hillary clinton loss -- it is an unprecedented split. increasingly sorting itself this is the standard electoral map showing which candidates won each state's electoral votes. county, courtesy of new york times, it is a sea of red across the country surrounded bay ring of blue around the outer edges and chicago. many of those red areas got check out this map. from 2012 also from the times. all those red arrows show where donald trump did better than the more he outperformed. the blue arrows show where clinton outperformed obama. there is a lot more red than but clinton made significant for example, harris county, texas, home to houston, in 2012
president obama barely eeked out a win beating obama by .08%. this year clinton blew trump out point. talking about. this is houston. george w. bush country. geography is one of the many ways the electorate divided itself up. clinton won fewer than 500 counties but those counties supplied 64% of the gross do mestic product in 2015. the metropolitan areas clinton won are where most of the new jobs are being generated end to live, where immigrants settle down and where college graduates move after getting degreeses. these are mapping on to the same
geographic distribution we see in the map of election votes, what this means is that the over correct one. this country. but in 2016, demographic coalition is so geographically concentrated clinton lost the electoral college by at least 62 votes. party to figure out it is fair to say minnesota congressman keith ellison, out
in front-runner to be next chairman of the dnc with support from chuck schumer and from sanders whom ellison supported for president during the primary. york times ellison may not have the backing of the top democrat in the country. president obama's loyalist uneasy with the and setting off nina, i would imagine the fact that you spent a lot of times on the trails of bernie sanders and no keith ellison you're behind his candidacy. my question is how you reacted to all these anonymous quotes from the obama circle basically saying he is not the man for the job? >> i'm surprised, chris, that interest.
because democrats have been since 2010. and 2014 we got handed both ill list sit such concern about the possible leadership of keith ellison would have had that same concern as democrats have started to erode our cannot connection to the people governor's mansions. >> the point i just made about the map is a crazy. the obama team put together this incredible thing, two consecutive elections of the majority of the country, not done since fdr. unbelievable monumental -- >> now three consecutive with the country. >> incredible achievement and at the same time, state level, state legislature, state houses and we saw in the electoral college in this case completely
decembercated. geographic sorting of the country is coupled with systems that both state level and obviously at national level that completely -- they are completely prejudice against people who live in urban areas. there are overprep zen tags which a rural minority is going majority that has now no say in >> but there is also the fact, nina, that that is -- that's true, there is a structural problem intersected with the combination of the senate and electoral college. but also the fact you've got to build democratic power. the job for this next chairman is build democratic power at the local level state by state, legislative district by you have seen it up close in ohio. wisconsin and ohio, those three states, those are three states that elected republican governors in the great tea party
backlash whose governors hammered organized labor, hammered the interest of the left, did everything to disempower and look what that produced in this election. >> right, chris. responsibility for this. again, there is an african proverb that one should never build their shield on the democrats. of all the times to lose, you lose right before the redrawing of lines? were redrawing lines and democrats again decimated because when it comes to the of politics works, we have been we have to reconnect to the office so we are in the positions to make the >> what's the difference, nina? i will come to you in a second, michelle. interesting proxy battle. and sanders loses the primary but wins the battle for the party. look around and say clintons
aren't going to run the democratic party. obama is leaving. bernie sanders at least had this what exactly is that message? what does that mean? >> at first it starts with making sure that we -- you remember the republicans did an autopsy in 2012 that they didn't really follow. but i'm hoping that democratic party will do an autopsy in 2016 to figure out what went wrong, how it went wrong and how we can recapture, having robust conversations. and make sure we never lose sight of the grass roots and when people have an outcry, especially about the disproportionately hurts people the poor white sisters and brothers too. we have to say we got it. we have to listen more. we have to listen to the people. >> interesting you mention the autopsy. i don't want to cut you off. >> although it is a proxy war, i think keith ellison is perfectly
positioned to bridge. on the one hand you have bernie sanders saying they need to ditch the politics -- >> he didn't quite say that -- >> he didn't mean it that way. >> some people in this move that are kind of purely class placed politics will throw women and people of color under the bus to win back the white working hand with the sanders movement behind him but he also is never going to work with donald trump. he is going to -- >> right. resistance in this country. he will never forget that donald trump is an existential threat to his future in this country. he is not going to be deal maker. he is someone again, he is going -- i think he would approach this job as leader of the resistance.
this middle of diagrams now, which is part of why the time story was fascinating to me. parts come together behind congressman ellison and maybe now a little bit after wrench in the works. michelle goldburg and nina that's "all in" for this evening. wonderful thanksgiving. and everyone, let's try off for thanksgiving, i am sorry about that. and a half for your troubles. i feel like everybody i talked to this week, this week, week and a half, oh, you're getting any time off for thanksgiving