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this middle of diagrams now, which is part of why the time story was fascinating to me. parts come together behind congressman ellison and maybe now a little bit after wrench in the works. michelle goldburg and nina that's "all in" for this evening. wonderful thanksgiving. and everyone, let's try off for thanksgiving, i am sorry about that. and a half for your troubles. i feel like everybody i talked to this week, this week, week and a half, oh, you're getting any time off for thanksgiving
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felt like seven out of ten times people were saying, no i don't if that is you, if that is members of your family, i am sorry. and in any case, i'm happy to have you here tonight. okay. here is a story. the south surrendered to the north. ulysses grant. 14th, the president was and when lincoln was killed, that was just a devastating, disorienting disaster for our and we'd also just been through four straight years of staggering ongoing rolling disaster in the form of our civil war. lincoln was killed the same week three million americans fought each other in that war. over 600,000 americans died in
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that war. and then when it was over, and immediately lincoln was killed, and the country was exhausted and traumatized and still split, i mean, the south was defeated, right, in its efforts to leave this country. what was going on at that point is they were forced in defeat to stay in the country that they tried to leave, to stay in the country that they had waged war against. so we are in this incredibly desolate time as a country, discombobulated, tragic, and from the bottom of that desolate barrel, that was where we needed to start to rebuild. and for african americans, of course, the north winning the civil war, that meant in the most heavily african american part of the country, in the south, rebuilding after the civil war, rebuilding after lincoln meant trying to create a whole new society in the american south that was no longer a slave society, that was no longer a slave economy.
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so the task in the defeated south after the civil war was to make that part of the country a place where black men and white men were both free, free even to vote, free even to hold office. of course, if you think the south was going to go along with that idea at the time, you are nuts. and so after the civil war, the federal government sent troops to the south. but to stay there, to literally administer government in the to secede from this country and then waged war against it. in 1876, two years after the war ended, 1876, civilian governments in the southern states were dissolved. they were removed and the u.s. army came in to run things instead. and yes, freed slaves could vote in those elections. and no, the traders and the secessionists who waged war against the united states, those office in those elections.
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and those election series why we have all of these very compelling now hard to contextualize images of elected african american public officials, of state senator, state legislator, u.s. senators, congressmen, governors, african american officials at every level of government from the war. and from that same time, that is also why we've got images of the ku klux klan in full force in the 1870s fights it all tooth and nail as a huge secret terrorist organization dedicated to reinstating white rule in the states of the confederacy. that time after the civil war is such an incredible, incredible it's such a scary, such an and one of the most unnerving things about it is that for all of the things, all of the things going on in american history that led to it, the slave economy, the civil war, lincoln and
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everything that his presidency meant, with all of went into creating this reconstruction period after the civil war, you know, eons of things that had to all happen in the right way in order to make those moments happen, in order to make the black elected public officials possible, out of all of the things that had to come together to make that moment, this. it ended, boom, like it had been and it ended because of a lost presidential election. in 1876, it was republican versus democrat, just like it is today. party of lincoln. they were the anti-slavery forces. and in that presidential election in 1876, the republican party's candidate lost the he lost clearly by a quarter of a million votes. he lost the popular vote by a lot. popular vote is not how you win a presidential election. you win a presidential election
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through the electoral college. but here is the thing. in this 1876 election, the republican candidate lost the popular vote by a ton. hundreds of thousands of votes. about 3 percentage points at the time. lost the popular vote. he also lost the electoral college by 19 votes. the country was so nuts at the time, so riven, so crazed by our differences and our resentments and our fear that in three states we actually have no idea what their electoral votes were in the presidential race that year. u.s. tests they in south carolina, florida and louisiana, each party, the democratic party and the republican party in each of those states each announced that its candidate had won the so when it came time to cast electoral votes in that presidential election, the carolina stood up and said we hereby declare that south
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carolina is casting its electoral votes for the republican. democrats came out and said no, no, no, we hereby declare that south carolina is casting its electoral votes for democrat. so what are you going to do, these states would not, could not come to an agreement about how its votes for president should be counted. and that happened not just in one place. it happened in three states. that happened south carolina, florida, and louisiana. they never clearly cast their votes. the republican candidate in that by a lot. of the electoral college votes that were clearly cast that year, the republican candidate lost that vote too. but you know who ended up being president after that election? it doesn't even make sense now from this distance, 140 years later that the dude who lost the popular vote and who lost the electoral college vote with these weird votes outstanding,
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that they would give the what? they gave it to him anyway. and they gave it to him because the other party, the democratic party at the time, they were so dedicated to southern racism, they were so dedicated to bringing back white supremacy in government in the south, they were so torn up about how the war ended and how the south lost, they were so unnerved by, frankly, these pictures, that they made a decision that year to trade away the presidency. their candidate won the popular vote. with those weird disputed votes still outstanding. away. they nevertheless negotiated a compromise in which all of the disputed electoral vote, all of the electoral college votes where it wasn't clear who it should go to, they made a deal
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where all of those votes would go to the losing candidate. they would all go to the republican candidate. would win the presidency. and in exchange, you know what the democrats would get? they would get the yankee troops here, party of lincoln. sure. which you did not win in this election. gets the south back. and that's how reconstruction was switched off in the south, like somebody taking an a ax to a junction box. reconstruction got traded away. it got traded for the white house. which then went to a guy who did actually lose that presidential election. electoral college. he lost definitely in the popular vote. and that insane election, that piece of tragic american political history, that bizarre moment in time, right, it really
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feels like it's written about some other country. happen here. but that catastrophic, bizarre election, that was the last time anybody ascended to the presidency after losing the popular vote by as big a margin as donald trump just has. hillary clinton now leads donald trump by over two million votes in the popular vote. she leads him by more than 1.5 percentage points. which means the last time we ever had anyone take the presidency after losing by this much in the popular vote, it was that insane race, emphasis on race, in 1876 where they made a deal for. >> they made a deal 40. sam tilden, the democrat won, but he gave it up to rutherford b. hayes in exchange for taking the troops out of the south. back that far to find a margin that matches what happened this year.
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go back. i mean, this year of course there is not going to be a compromise of 1876. the clinton campaign apparently passed this week on a pitch from some academics who argued to them that they should challenge and force a recount in a handful of green states. candidate may try to fund the revotes. but nobody expect nice recounted results to change the overall winner in the electoral college. so now we are proceeding with i think what has to be seen as a lurking question in the background as to whether a popular vote loss this big, a loss bigger than anything we have seen in 140 years, we're left with this question of how that hangs over this next presidency. i mean, whether or not you think president governors or how he puts together his administration or what he perceives his mandate from the people, whether or not things, it is now awkward not to talk about it, because we really
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haven't seen a president win this office after losing the vote this badly. we haven't seen it since the immediate aftermath of the civil war when things are so weird, even looking back with hindsight of history affords us, things are so weird 140 years ago the last time this happens, it doesn't even seem like the history of our own country when we read it. precedent. but 140 years ago is how far you have to go back to get to something this big. and i'm saying this now. and honestly, i'm putting it at the top of the show the night before thanksgiving because in beltway conversations, and sort of polite political conversation right now, this has become already a taboo topic. this is something that only amateurs talk about, right. we are assured out of hand this popular vote loss by the new it will have absolutely no effect whatsoever on the perceptions of the next president or how he is able to governor or how he should governor or how he should
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be be suspicious of anybody who confidence. because honestly, it has been well over a century since anything like this happened. we really have not seen this before in modern times. and we do not know how this is going to go. meanwhile, however, the motions are being gone through, as they say. message from the president-elect we also got another day of unusual news about who he wants around him in office, including one of those choices i think that is getting funnier and funnier as the day has turned into night and as the night has so stick a pin in this popular vote thing. her lead is now over two million votes. it's over 1.5%. and anybody who tells you that's not going to matter, for sure that's definitely not going to matter doesn't know what they're talk about. because we've never seen anything like in the modern era. stick a pin in that. we have a lot more to come stay with us.
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yesterday a travel ban on muslims into the united states. what is your reaction to his proposal? >> it's just an embarrassment to the republic at large. it's absolutely unamerican. it's unconstitutional. it defies everything this country was based on. >> you wouldn't think somebody who thought that would then take a job with the person who proposed something that's an embarrassment, unamerican, unconstitutional, defies based on, and is just wrong. you wouldn't think that a person who felt that way would then take a job with the person who but every day is a new day. and it turns out that's not the most surprising thing about south carolina governor nikki haley accepting the new job she just took. stay with us.
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after a friend, and he lunged. he lunged that knife into the stomach of his friend. but lo and behold it hit the belt. and the knife broke. give me a break. let me tell you, i'm pretty good so i have a belt. somebody hits me with a belt, it's going in because the belt moves this way. it moves that way. he hit the belt buckle. anybody who has a knife want to anybody? it ain't going to work. you're going to be successful. but he took the knife. he went like this. and he plunged it into the belt. and amazingly, the belt stayed totally flat and the knife
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broke. i'm not saying it. he said he's got pathological disease. he actually said pathological temper, and then he defined it as disease. disease. if you're pathological, there is no cure for that, folks. okay? there is no cure for that. if you're a child molester, a sick puppy, you're a child molester, there is no cure for that. we don't want to talk about that that's the ultimate cure. no, there is two there is death but if you're a child molester, there is no cure. they can't stop you. pathological, there is no cure. so he is a pathological, damaged temper, a problem. >> pathological, damaged temper, a problem.
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believes that, watch out for everybody in his cabinet to get like big fricking rodeo star belt buckles that definitely don't move. because there is no cure for and donald trump appears to be choosing ben carson, whom he once compared to a child molester and called a pathological killer. he appears to be recommending him for his cabinet. now this is funny for a couple of reasons. number one, because of what donald trump has said about ben carson in the past. ago, dr. carson commented on reports he was being considered as potential nominee for secretary of health and human services. dr. carson responded to the reports and said that he was not only uninterested, he was unsuited to do that kind of work. post" a week ago today, quote, having me as a federal bureaucrat would be like a fish out of water, quite frankly. business manager armstrong williams flushed that out a
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little bit to the hilt. he said, quote, dr. carson says he feels he has no government experience. agency. the last thing he would want to do is take a position that could cripple the presidency. now, see, that's hilarious, because ben carson ran for if he is a person who feels he has no government experience, he any government bureaucracy somebody else's federal government working for a different president, that could cripple that presidency, ben carson would be so terrible. that is a funny view to have of yourself while asking the american people to vote for you to be president of the united government. so this is not like funny weird. this is like funny ha. but now tonight it gets better. because tonight ben carson posted on facebook that after all this, we should in fact expect a forth coming announcement from the trump transition team about ben carson getting a big new job in the
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federal fish bowl. but it's not that health and human services job that they talked about last week. that might have made no sense to put somebody like ben carson in charge of health and human services. to that field. so technically, that's related to health and human services. but that, even with that tenuous connection, that is not what he tells fox news is he is up for something entirely different. about it seriously. >> has it been offered, sir? >> we have had offer, yes. >> and is it the hud position? >> i would say that was one of the offers that's on the table. >> what would steer you to take a job for a lot of folks say hey, you have these ample medical degrees and one of the nation's top neurosurgeons. what do you know about doing this? in the inner city and have spent a lot of time there.
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and have dealt with a lot of >> by that area, he means that urban area of america on which ben carson will now be doing brain surgery. he'll not be in charge of doing brain surgery on -- i don't know. the trump campaign has not carson to run housing and urban development. ben carson has kind of announced that he has been offered that job and he is take it. ben carson has no qualifications in housing and urban development, and no expertise in that field whatsoever. field or shown an interest in it. and by the field, i mean housing and urban development, not just having ever been to an urban area. he did endorse donald trump after donald trump compared him to a child molester, said he was an incurrable murdering maniac.
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so after you endorse somebody once they said that about you, that's got to count for woo-hoo! large today over another one of the president-elect's personnel announcements. u.n. ambassador. the u.n. ambassador nomination has taken on sort of unusual weight in this transition, particularly because it's the first personnel announcement made by the transition since what i continue to believe is just their outrageously super-duper controversial decision to name general mike flynn as national security adviser. choice for a job as important as national security adviser, especially a job that is designed to bring in all points of view and fairly present the world of informed opinion on matters for the president. mike flynn is not a person who, you know -- let's just say he says that religion -- the religion of islam is a malignant cancer.
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all views in the world and no. during the campaign, mike flynn accused hillary clinton of being the chief of staff of his consulting company, who is also his son regularly posts conspiracy theories and hash tags from the mother ship info wars which says that the shooting at sandy hook, the shootings at sandy hook were the boston bombing was fake. 9/11 was fake. possessed by demons. and you can tell it because of the demonic way he smells. that's the chief of staff for his intelligence group, and he is leaving that intelligence adviser. so after picking general flynn as national security adviser, this next national security foreign policy announcement has felt like it would be a very important signal, particularly given what else is going on at the top, right? this is a president obviously
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though w.h.o. has no foreign policy, no national security the vice president, other than sitting on foreign policy other foreign policy experience, no national security experience. the chief of staff obviously has no foreign policy, no national security experience. the chief strategist, who apparently is going to be at the no foreign policy, no national security experience other than his own time serving in the navy a long time ago. substantive, current foreign policy and national security experience. and now they have named their new u.n. ambassador, and it's nikki haley, the governor of foreign policy and national the traveling she has done to carolina from foreign countries. no national security experience of any kind. kind. in terms of being diplomatic, though, should it be noted that
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she does know how to keep people >> the governor, thanks very much for coming. in. it's a pleasure to be with you. it's a great day in south carolina. governor of the great state of south carolina, nikki haley. good morning, governor. >> good morning. carolina. good to see you. do you any horses in this race? in south carolina. >> whenever someone calls your department, we need to say it's a great day in south carolina how. every person. every single person that is called, it's a great day in south carolina. how can i help you. >> how are they going to answer the phones at the u.s. mission at the u.n.? like she says, every person, every line, every day, no matter what kind of day it actually is in south carolina. when you pick up that phone -- she will now be america's ambassador to the world, to the
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dr. ben carson, if he is named to be secretary of hud, he has no experience in governing. he says he in fact is unsuited to the business of governing. betsy devos who was named by the transition team to be secretary experience in governing. we'll talk a little bit more about her in the show. and nikki haley, she has no experience in diplomacy, which is what she is being hired to do. how does that look from a joining us now is the great michael beschloss, the great presidential historian. thank you for joining us. >> happy early thanksgiving. great night here in washington, d.c. time i get to talk about nikki michael, the thing that seems surprising to me about this is i expected that because trump is who he is, i sort of thought he
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would make the kinds of did when he brought in -- >> same here. dad's administration to kind of reassure everybody. experience, but i'll bring in a you. following that pattern. >> no, they don't. and he kept on saying during the campaign, elect me and i will look everywhere and i will bring in the best people to do this. i would have thought he would have been sensitive to the thought that as we'd been saying, this is the first president with zero public service experience, zero would expect him to know what he does not know and do, for instance, what jimmy carter did, who had been one term governor spent years in the navy. he brought in cyrus vance, who had been deputy secretary of defense. or george w. bush bringing in colin powell, secretary of the joint chiefs or barack obama held over george w. bush's secretary of defense, bob gates. that's what they usually do. >> in terms of past president,
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not just past precedent, whether we should be worried, is there any hard and fast rule that history teaches us in terms of whether or not experienced people are better at these kinds are there track records that we should know about where people came in who appeared to be totally, totally unsuited for the jobs for which they're being picked but it ended up being a nice refreshing change. it ended up something where the president had more wisdom than we can see from afar. >> oh, yeah. it very much coo co. be. harry truman himself came in. had been senator for ten years. not great foreign policy experience himself like franklin roosevelt, but was able to pick but the point is we're in a world that is -- we don't need to say how complicated it is. barack obama apparently said to donald trump you've got to watch north korea.
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tests there is a world of terrorism, everything that is going on in the middle east. donald trump is coming in as a war president. not all presidents do. and the other thing, through about big changes in foreign policy of the kind that we rarely see. changes in nato, changes in our alliances, perhaps changes in what we think is a good idea for other countries controlling nuclear weapons. and to do that with a team that is as traditional terms unexperienced as this one is, >> michael beschloss, nbc presidential historian. presidential historians use words like amazing because it means we're in shaky territory. >> one president precedent going holiday. nbc news confirmed something reported from "the washington president-elect has been president-elect, he has only taken two intelligence
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briefings. he has been turning intelligence briefers away. by this point everybody thought donald trump was getting a daily presidential brief. trump to be getting the presidential daily brief every day. apparently donald trump is not and every other day he said no, doesn't want to hear it. we'll be right back.
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south carolina was one of two women named to a position in the trump administration today. trump also announced billionaire betsy devos as his pick for secretary of education. she is fairly well-known in republican circles. she served as former finance chair of the rnc. she was chair of the michigan party. advocates for school vouchers and charter schools, which means her appointment drew scathing criticism from public school advocates today. she is also the sister of erik prince. remember erik prince? that name sounds familiar it's because he is the guy that founded black water, the mercenary company that made a ton of money off the iraq war. four black water guards sentenced and given huge sentences for opening fire at a baghdad traffic circle during the war killing 17 innocent civilians. directly to prison, but their
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boss is still very rich from the war. his fortune on electing donald trump president. late days. $100,000 to one of mr. trump's key superpacs in september. and now today his sister was named as the trump administration's new education it's a small world, you know. if you know the right donors. think you put something in this massive trust.
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think you put something in this massive trust. nothing is written. in other words, in theory, i could be president of the united states and run my business 100%. i hope whoever is writing this story, it's written fairly. the president of the united states is allowed to have >> allowed to have whatever that's in the audio that they released there is also this from the transcript where they haven't released the audio yet. this quote from the transcript, as far as the, you know, the potential conflicts of interest,
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meaning the president can't have no such thing for the president. now the president is not necessarily bound by the same conflict of interest laws as other members of the government. rules that say you can't use the government or use your office to enrich yourself. one of the greatest barriers to that kind of impropriety for a president is supposed to be the desire of a president to avoid the appearance of any kind of impropriety. here is supposed to be shame. shame is supposed to guard the office from looking like it could be bought and paid for. that shame, then -- how did he put it? >> i hope whoever is writing this story, it's written fairly. the president of the united states is allowed to have whatever conflicts he wants. >> allowed to have whatever conflicts he wants. this system was not designed for somebody who doesn't mind violating the ethical
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presidency. this system is not designed for somebody who doesn't care if people know that he is i mean, if you're already using a dot gov website to advertise your properties. if you're using another your wife's jewelry line on qvc, if you're wieng and dining foreign diplomats and telling them it might behoove them to spend their money at the d.c. to take business meetings in the same office with the people who are building your power in mumbai, if you're bringing executives from your business into meetings and phone calls using foreign leader discussions as president-elect to press for specific business interests that will help your bottom line, which he has now admitted to in the case of brexit leader nigel
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farage where they discussed trump's fight against wind farms near his scotland golf course, that is also the implication of the story out of argentina, where three days after he spoke with argentina's president, it was reportedly announced that donald trump's long stalled buenos aires building would move forward. already happening, if this new president really does not care about the very blatant appearance that he is already already using the office as a means of making him and his family more rich, if he doesn't care that we can see that, what's the solution to that, then? i mean, these are the types of things we assume a president or a president-elect would hide the fact that he was doing these journalist would uncover them and win a pulitzer prize. but in this case no pulitzer. donald trump is not hiding this. everybody gets to report it.
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he is doing all of this stuff in plain sight, thought the open. those dot gov websites are still if the republicans decide that republicans are okay with this, and if donald trump is clearly i mean if democrats aren't okay with it, what can they do? we have a way to answer that i could run my business perfectly and then run the country perfectly.
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i could run my business perfectly and then run the country perfectly. and there was never -- there has never been a case like this where somebody has had -- if you look at other people of wealth, they didn't have this kind of asset and this kind of wealth, frankly. it's just a different thing. but there is no -- i assumed that you would have to set up some type of trust or whatever, and you know.
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surprised to see it. >> president-elect telling the "new york times" that he has been happily surprised to learn that there is no rule blocking him from if he wants to continuing to run his business and the country at the same time. nothing stops him from doing that. joining us now is senator ben cardin. the senate foreign relations committee. particularly the night before thanksgiving. tonight. you. thanks. introducing a resolution aimed at conflicts of interest between the president-elect, his assets, his business ties, his ongoing involvement in his business, and his work as president-elect and what's the basis for doing that? is he correct when he says he is not violating any rules, even if he keeps running his business? >> donald trump is absolutely wrong. that all public officials, including the president of the united states is prohibited from receiving gifts from foreign governments. interests in other countries, it's impossible to determine whether the foreign government which would be an unconstitutional gift. that's why every president has
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used blind trust or have sold their assets in order to avoid violating the constitution of the united states and the appearance of a conflict. donald trump is just absolutely >> now what you're talking about there in terms of that constitutional prohibition, it's restrictive to foreign governments. you don't want a foreign agent in the u.s. government. you don't want other countries able to use money to affect decision-making of the presidency. i've been struck by this story, few days that foreign diplomats were apparently brought in for a sales pitch that when they're coming in to do business with the u.s. government, when they're coming in to plead their case for the u.s. government and they're staying in washington, staying at the trump hotel. i just imagine myself as a foreign -- somebody working for
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a foreign government thinking president and saying oh, yeah, i stayed at the st. regis last night, sir. it was very nice. but those are his domestic asset. that's a gift to the president. that's doing a favor to the president of the united states. the framers of our constitution wanted to prevent that type of influence by foreign powers here in the united states. it is unconstitutional. it can't be done. what donald trump continues to cite is the conflicts statutes that were passed to make it clear the president has the commander in chief and as but that doesn't avoid the constitutional prohibitions against gifts by foreign powers. the only way, and the only way he can deal with this is to set up a blind trust or to sell the assets. following in congress, congress i hope democrats and republicans will join me to make it clear that in the next 60 days, before january 20th, it's important
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that the president-elect avoid this constitutional problem and take the appropriate steps to divest or set up a blind trust. >> senator, do you have any indication that any republicans this? conversations on this. i think most of my colleagues in the congress, both democrats and republicans will be very firm about the fact that it's wrong for donald trump to continue to own his assets and to benefit from foreign governments telling their missions to use the trump towers or for a permit to be given by a foreign power to allow the trump enterprises to build in their country. that is an apparent -- that is a definite conflict. and it violates the i am very hopeful that this is in congress. we have a responsibility as the legislative branch of government to be very clear on this. so i'm hoping thatly have support on both sides of the
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behold. excellent dad jokes. >> after a long campaign season finally turned our attention no way i'm cutting this habit cold turkey. i want to take a moment to recognize the brave turkeys who
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weren't so lucky, who didn't get to ride the gravy train to >> we didn't show my favorite. my favorite was the oh, yes we cran, thing. you don't even know the joke. yes we cran. we have a really, really, really good, really interesting exclusive thanksgiving story to end the show next.
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we just got some new news today on the eve of thanksgiving. new news about a family in
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flint, michigan named the browns. we met them back in january. kind enough to let me into their home to get a sense of the real life effects of the man-made water disaster in their town. the browns showed me their water bill, showed me how they were paying still a lot for the city water that they really could not use. flint city water of course was contaminated with lead thanks to a series of disastrous decisions by the state government after the state came in and overrode local democracy and took over the town. after we met the brown family in flint about ten months ago, a group of local plumbers banded together to help them out. they put a whole house filter on the water supply inside oscar brown's house. much with the wrecked system in the city, right? even with that whole house filter, they've still got water coming out of the tap that tests positive for lead. relying on bottled water for
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many of their basic needs, including bathing, including their 4-year-old son. >> the hardest part has been trying to cook and bathe with the bottles of water. so that's been what's been the hardest part. i don't bathe with the bottled water. but trying to bathe my son with it was -- that was stressful. i would take two of these and and then take another two without warming them and balance it out in the tub. and then that would be his little bitty water that he bathed in. >> over the course of this year, the city of flint led by their mayor karen weaver, they have begun this massive project of fixing this crisis they didn't cause. project of fixing the pipes that carry this wrecked city water
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into thousands of homes. mayor weaver announced 460 homes have had their bad service lines replaced so far. but here is the news for thanksgiving eve. today the brown family got their workers came this morning to their house, tore a couple of holes in the street, pulled out the old lead pipe that connected the brown's house to the water they replaced the service line so now the water that is gushing out of their tap is no running directly through a lead pipe cannot drink it yet. they're waiting on a new round of testing. even after the city some day will be able to declare the water safe, i got to tell you, it's still going to take time to restore the trust of people who have been living with it all this time. young son. >> i think probably -- we'll probably try cooking with it. but it's like once your trust has been broken and tooken for so long, so many years you've been lied to and say oh, it's safe, it's safe.
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and then it turned out to not be safe. was harmful, harming people? so i think it will be a process. it will be steps need to be took first before we jump into using the water but i will let my son bathe in it, though. it's going to take some time to jump back in to start using the water. kept -- actually have kept people alive. sad to say, haven't done that much harm to nobody in my family. this was serious. and it was something that was caused by, you know, the hands of another man. when you can't have access to clean water. thousands of homes to go. people not give up, to see a city not give up after what has been done to them, after they're still having to fix this problem but as you make your list of things to be thankful for tomorrow, now that oscar brown's house got new pipes today, it
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would not be a terrible idea to think about a 4-year-old american boy who may soon get to take a bath in a full tub for the first time in more than half his life. his life. msnbc live is next. it's thanksgiving, and millions are hitting the road to grandma's house with record numbers on the move. even if a quarter of you still have to work today. more additions to president-elect trump's cabinet and the eye-popping costs involved with protecting the new and very large first family. security on high alert ahead of the 90th annual macy's thanksgiving day parade. and the commander in chief's parting words for pardoned turkeys, tator and tot. >> malia and sasha are thankful this is my final presidential turkey pardon. what i haven't told them is we're going to do this every

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