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sanchez, and barbara lee are the two members vying for the job. that means no matter who wins, a woman of color will be elected to a democratic leadership position for the very first time. pretty remarkable. that is all for tonight. "with all due respect" starts right now. >> i'm john heilman. >> and i'm mark halperin. with all due respect to mitt romney, who is reportedly having dinner with donald trump tomorrow, would you consider secretary of steak? it has been a news-filled november monday. more fallout from the death of fidel castro, a frightening attack this morning, but we'll start the new week with three unsolved mysteries. we'll get to the mysterious case of the green lady's recount in just a moment, but first, the riddle of kellyanne conway and an ongoing secretary of state's
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thriller. donald trump's decision over who to make as america's top diplomat took a few interesting tips over the weekend. for some time, it appeared that he had narrowed his choice to rudolph giuliani, who has been aggressively promoting his own credentials for the post. and to mitt romney, the former republican presidential nominee, and in the past, a pretty vociferous critic of donald trump. among giuliani's the frequent sel self-appraisals, his chances seem to have diminished. and amid a brazen series of rebukes from transition adviser kellyanne conway on the sunday shows is sparked a classic monday morning tv frenzy. >> this seems like a pretty bitter internal battle that is going on in the transition team over the nation's top diplomat decisions. >> former new york city mayor, rudy giuliani, remains a top contender. former cia director, david petraeus and retired four-star general john kelly are also in
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the running. >> for mitt romney potentially become the next secretary of state, rudy giuliani, a longtime trump loyalist, also thought to be a contender as well. >> some of the toughest times in that campaign, who don't like the idea of mitt romney, just on principle, and greatly prefer rudy giuliani. >> were kellyanne conway's remarks about mitt romney, were they sanctioned or is trump now angry with her. >> if trump chooses mitt romney, my thought was, she's risking a lot. because what if he chooses mitt romney, what's that mean for her? >> how dare she speak out of turn without permission. but my view is, how refreshing it is to see someone say what she really thinks on television. >> the loyalists and those who work so hard for trump think, this guy threw you under the bus at every turn. >> kellyanne's sense that in mitt romney, you could have a secretary of state that's presiding over somewhat of a
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rogue agency is very real. >> this is not saying that mitt romney will be secretary of state. this is just saying that kellyanne conway hurt herself yesterday, by going rogue at the worst possible time. >> why would we think that kellyanne is going rogue? why don't we think that she's channeling donald trump, her po boss, who for some reason has soured on mitt romney? >> so one of the non-rudy, non-romney contenders for secretary of state visited trump tower to talk about the job. how'd it go, general petraeus? >> i was with him for about an hour. he basically walked us around the world, showed a great grasp of the variety of the challenges that were out there. and some of the opportunities, as well. so, very good conversation, and we'll see where it goes from here. >> tomorrow, the next president of these united states is going to sit down with the chair of the senate foreign relations committee. tennessee's bob corker, long thought to be under consideration for secretary of state, and donald trump will hold a second meeting with mitt romney reportedly over a tuesday night dinner. we're going to talk about kellyanne conway's curious
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comments from the weekend in a moment. but, john, more broadly, when it comes to the important slot of secretary of state, where do you think trump is headed? >> i have this feeling that david petraeus is the goldilocks candidate here. i think trump does not -- he wants to reward giuliani, but does not do anything that would spark that degree of criticism. i think the romney thinking, it's like toying with romney, like playing peekaboo with a baby. but petraeus, i think that could be the direction that we're headed. >> david petraeus is a brilliant guy and a charmer. i think the vetting issues is something they want to avoid. i still believe that the senate controlled by the republicans are not going to harshly vet too many people. but i think that petraeus may end up with the short stick, simply because -- and he'd love the job, i'm sure, simply because of vetting issues. i still think kelly or romney are the two most likely. that's just my gut.
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i tried to reach a lot of people this afternoon to talk about. no one wanted to talk about where this stands. everyone says the same thing, this is trump's pick. i do believe giuliani won't get it. corker is an interesting pick. he's got warm relations with a lot of people on team trump. but trump has in his mind the image he wants. >> corker does not have that image. bob corker is a smart guy, but does not cut that figure. petraeus does. and romney clearly does. there's no question that he -- trump has said that, he looks like a secretary of state. petraeus, i really think, i know there are vetting issues, it's true. but the reasons you said, i think it's more than just that it's a republican senate. it's also that a lot of republicans in the senate are on record as saying they think petraeus was wrongly treated. that he was cast aside, in a way that was not commensurate with the crimes, that hillary clinton did much worse things in terms of handling classified material and so on. >> and going through the system of justice. i'll say this. the mystery here, which i tried to get to the bottom of and i
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failed is where is mike pence on this? mike pence was bullish on romney. there were other people who were bullish on romney who were trying to get a romney rally going, and trying to get romney back, to top the fact that they're going to have a long meeting says i think that trump's still interested in him. but where is mike pence? >> i feel as though the thing about this all feels to me like part of the reason why my gut -- i'm doing this on gut. i'm asking everybody in the world and i can't get a real straight answer. i think this is the one where trump would feel like he owned this pick. and he wasn't lobbied into it. >> we're way over. i'll tell you one more strike against petraeus. there's some indication that trump thinks having a retired military as head of national security council or retired military defense and retired military of state is a retired general too far. >> if that were his thinking, it would be a reasonable thought, in my view. >> all right, so, we were talking about kellyanne conway already. she called a hella ruckus when
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she took a meat cleaver to romney on the sunday shows, basically saying that trump is betraying his backers by even considering installing him at foggy bottom. according to their trump transition sources, the president-elect was furious, furious at conway for going public with her criticism. so, mark, there are theories galore about what conway was doing when she took out the aforementioned meat cleaver. and why she was doing it. but what is your take on what all that is about. >> she didn't just do it on sunday shows. she did it on twitter and walked it back on twitter. donald trump can be furious at someone in one moment and the next moment, perfectly happy with them. >> sometimes even in the same moment. >> number two, also true, there are long knives out for kellyanne conway at trump tower. >> 100%. >> number three, although she says it's her own choosing, she does not have a job yet within this enterprise. >> those are all facts. number four, donald trump really likes kellyanne conway. and number five, kellyanne conway is not stupid.
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and i don't have the chance to whether trump had any idea if she was going to say what she said, authorized it, suggested it, whatever. but i can tell you she doesn't feel any less confident than her place in trump world today than she did yesterday. she might not be seeing the long knives, but she's not any less confident. >> here's the two things i'll add. i'll really affirm one fact of yours and throw it into context. kellyanne conway has driven me crazy on this show as of late, she's hard to get a straight answer out of, she won't answer a question, but not a dummy. not a dummy. a very smart woman. and the second thing that i think is manifestly true that i saw throughout the entirety of the campaign, donald trump loves chaos. he thrives on chaos, he likes chaos, he likes to pit people against each other. i don't know whether he authorized her to go forward and say those things, but it would not surprise me if even as he's furious with her in some ways, he actually sort of likes this
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kind of thing that's going on right now. >> again, my point about sean spicer and jason -- >> just a cheap shot at our friends sean and jason. go ahead, just say it. you took a cheap shot. >> they're all spokespeople for the force, the empire. all right, final mystery we're going to talk about tonight involves three states, a series of trump tweets, and about 6 million bucks. after mucho build up last week, green party candidate jill stein officially filed for a recount on friday in wisconsin just ahead of that state's recount deadline, citing that their voting machines could have somehow been hacked, despite the fact that there's no real evidence to back that claim, stein's team, which has raised more than $6 million so far for recounts, took steps towards initiating a similar recount in pennsylvania today. they plan to do the same in michigan later this week. three states whose results, if somehow overturned, would give hillary clinton the presidency. over the weekend, clinton's
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lawyer, mark elias wrote a post on medium, that's some sort of website, stating that the campaign will assist in these recounts now that efforts are now underway to ensure the process proceeds in a matter that is fair to all sides. twitter reacted and did a twitter rant for the ages. he lashed out at both stein and clinton, and turned up the counterpunch valve a bit more, spreading fully unsubstantiated allegations of widespread alex fraud by citing this, in addition to winning the electoral college in a landslide, i won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally. trump also tweeted this, serious voter fraud in virginia, new hampshire, and california. so why isn't the media reporting on this. serious bias, big problem. so what are they up to with jill stein's recount effort? >> i saw that tweet about how he
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would have won the popular vote and this voter fraud, i tweeted, two lies for the price of one. this has been a consistent thing with trump since he enters the race until today. he lies all the times. sometimes he tells small lies, sometimes he tells big lies. he is now the president-elect. it was bad enough when he was a candidate going around, trying zwrour undermine the legitimacy of the system, saying the system is rigged, but to claim without any evidence whatsoever that millions of people illegally voted in this race, and that just in passing that he won the electoral candidate in a landslide, which as of today he's up to 306 electoral vote s which is not a landslide by any means. just, why? >> it's bad for him, bad for america, bad for the children, it's bad for everybody. and i hope he did this without asking anybody. because i hope that if he'd asked somebody before they tweeted, they would have said,
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don't do that. it is no longer proper at all. it wasn't proper before, but we're in a different phase to tweet something unsubstantiated with no evidence. >> he's the president-elect! >> and this time is a bad thing. now, look, hillary clinton, the thing that her lawyer wrote on the web was very nuanced and reasoned and said, we don't expect this to overturn the results, ya day yada yada. if the democrats were doing this, the republicans would be up in arms. they have no hope of overturning the results. so what is the point of participating? it sends a bad signal. they should just say, we see no evidence there was anything wrong. if these recounts are going donate, great, but we're staying out of it and hoping for the success of the president-elect. >> that's all he said. >> but they said they're participating. they put their imprint on it and said, this is -- >> slightly. >> more than they should. more than they would accept trump doing. >> trump would never have -- there would never have been anything that legalistic. >> the guy wrote a very -- >> totally reasonable. he said, we do not expect this to change the outcome.
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we have no reason to think -- >> in a world are reason prevads, great. >> everyone go on or whatever it is and read that thing. we'll take a break and come back and talk about the mixed reaction, the death of fidel castro, and what donald trump and others are saying about the dead communist leader, right after this quick break. t my shof the morning ritual around here. people rely on that first cup and i wouldn't want to mess with that. but when (my) back pain got bad, i couldn't sleep. i had trouble getting there on time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last into the morning. ♪ look up at a new day... hey guys! now i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. my bladder leakage made me feel like i couldn't be the father that i wanted to be. now i use depend. i can move the way i really want. unlike the bargain brand, depend fit-flex underwear is more flexible to move with you. reconnect with the life you've been missing.
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male vo: no one deserves a warmer welcome home. that's why we're hiring 10,000 members of the military community by the end of 2017. i'm very proud of him. male vo: comcast. memorial services began today in havana following the death of former leader fidel castro who died at the age of 90. president obama and vice president biden will not be attendance. obama's statement about castro's death has been panned by republicans for making no mention of the skprinviolence a oppression that occurred under castro's rule. for his part, donald trump released a scathing statement about the brutal dictator. on friday, trump tweeted about
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castro, making use of far fewer than the 140 characters allotted to him in his favor medium. quote fidel castro is dead, exclamation point. that was it. that's actually true. today he tweeted at length, if cuba is unwilling to make a better deal for the cuban people, the cuban american people as a whole, i will terminate deal. this is the first thing that will have ongoing implications, how do you think he's handling this? >> not horribly. i think he's leaving his options open. he's not playing just to the base of the republican party or some of it, but i think he's also playing to his own instincts about kind of the style he wants to have and in particular contrasts with barack obama. but it does show he'll have just a ton of running room. one of the things they're thinking about how much they want to shake the world up in the first couple of months of the administration, by going on offense.
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everyone's talking about, he's going to be tested by china or tested by isis or whatever. there's some thought within the trump camp of, on cuba, on iran, maybe some other areas, go big early and shake the world up. >> there is no good reason, from the standpoint of a free market republican or from the standpoint of a liberal democrat to go back and undo what has been done with respect to normalizing relations with cuba. we took a long time to get there. it's not a obama left-wing there. countless business people, fortune 500 ceos, wall street people and free market economists have been arguing for it as the best way to help the cuban people, to normalize or liberalize the economy -- >> but the republican base don't agree with you. >> i understand that, but donald trump is supposed to be the businessman president. let's try to rule on the merits. >> that's why he's leaving his option open. >> let's rule on the merits and stick wit. we'll be right back to talk with two reporters about donald trump's transition and the aide that everyone is currently profiling, that would be steve
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bannon, right after this.
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job? why is he on a list with all these other very impressive people? >> reporter: well, at the moment, he is the senior-most foreign policy kind of responsible person on capitol hill, in that he is the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. that is a post which really allows him to speak to ministerial-level officials from all over the world. and so, he is constantly thinking about issues that are the same sort of portfolio as a secretary of state. so, he's got that. he's also in his former life was a real estate investor, and so he can speak trump in that way, as a businessman, and he's a traditional republican who was among those early to come out in kind of quiet support of donald trump. he was not waving the flag so much, but he cited things that he thought were positive in trump's policies and backed those. so, that gives trump and his sort of menu of choices someone from the traditional mold who's got a portfolio that would work.
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john kerry, our current secretary of state, was previ s previously the head of the foreign relations committee. so it gives you an idea of that portfolio matching up with the job that is currently open for a future trump administration. >> we are also going to bring in to join kellyanne conway, the deputy washington bureau chief for the "boston globe," matt visor, whose latest piece is is on steve bannon. matt, good to have you here. i have run in a crowd that has known steve bannon for a long time. and one of the things that's coming out of all of these profiles is the notion that some of the more controversial things that he has provided a platform for and sometimes espoused, he may not actually believe. tell us what your piece tells us about that question and what your reporting has revealed. >> yeah, i mean, i talked to many of his classmates at harvard business school, where he was for two years.
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and almost universally, people did not hear the type of rhetoric that's often associated with him now. it wasn't anti-semitic language, racist language, anything like that during his time there. the conclusion that many of his classmates draw is that he's found a market place where there is a segment of our society that is interested in that type of rhetoric. breitbart provides some of that. and bannon has kind of used his skills at harvard business school to market towards some of that, through breitbart. but bannon himself, a lot of those people believe, don't believe those kind of things, that are sometimes promoted on the website, that he has been running. >> kelly, there was some concern on capitol hill at the time bannon was named, people say much more comfortable on the leadership, at least, with reince priebus. are they adapting themselves? he's made some courtesy at least phone calls up to the hill. are they gets more comfortable with the notion of being on team bannon? >> well, they can find comfort in seeing that a president-elect should be able to choose those
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around him. democrats very strongly against bannon, citing all the things that you were just talking about, that came out through that breitbart kind of as hi -- part of the bannon economy, the click bait bannon who wanted to have things that would strike a market place, where there are people who want to see those provocative ideas. democrats, still very comfortable. republicans are saying things like they don't know him yet, and also, looking for any strands that kind of build him up. so, for example, the rjc, the republican jewish coalition, says they do not believe that steve bannon is anti-semitic. so that's gone a long way in trying to sort of bolster him. mostly, it has been avoidance or tiptoeing on the subject of bannon, trying to kind of get behind the fact that there are many other jobs to be filled and republicans on capitol hill are sort of keeping their powder dry when it comes to steve bannon. >> i want to come back to secretary of state, and i've got a question for each of you. i'll start with you, kelly, about something we were talking about earlier in the show, which is david petraeus and whether or
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not petraeus would have -- he obviously has some vetting issues, but do you think, from your sense of republicans on capitol hill, do you think those would be problematic enough to keep him from being secretary of state or would they be easily overcome if that was the way that donald trump went? >> i think that there would be a lot of explaining that he made a mistake, he owned up to the mistake, he has paid a price for the mistake, and he's got a large portfolio of experience that is key to that position. so you would have some republicans, sort of the mccain/graham coalition,ed th t would strongly support a david petraeus in any foreign policy role. it is a challenge to get around the obvious, that he was convicted of a misdemeanor related to passing secrets, especially at a time when there was so much question about what extent the clinton e-mail should be probed and investigated and so forth. and we're not even sure that's entirely over from a capitol hill perspective. so that makes it difficult, but in terms of the david petraeus most lawmakers knew in their
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interactions, you get a lot of praise and a lot of respect for his service to his country, and his knowledge about the issues that are really kind of front burner for anyone in that job, going forward. >> matt, as a "boston globe" guy, i know you covered mitt romney and know a lot of people in his world. is there any growing sense that maybe donald trump is toying with romney and about to publicly humiliate him? >> that has been the concern in romney world, how seriously to take this. they feel like they don't want mitt romney to be set up for something. the meeting last week, 90 minutes long, sort of gave assurances that this was something more serious than just a staged meeting. them having dinner tomorrow night is also an indication of some seriousness of this. but there still a fair amount of caution in romney world about sort of where this may lead. there's a hope that romney is taken seriously by the trump campaign, because they believe
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that mitt romney would be good in that role, but there's still a little bit of skepticism, i think, among his supporters. >> matt visor, writes for the paper of presidents, or at least presidential candidates, kelly o'donnell, nbc news, thank you both for joining us. we'll talk with the editorial page editor of t"the new york times". james behnen joins us after this. like more vitamins d, e, and omega 3s. and 25% less saturated fat. only one egg good enough for my family. because why have ordinary when you can have the best. eggland's best. the only egg that gives you so much more: better taste. better nutrition. better eggs.
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we're back. we're joined now by the editorial page editor of "the new york times," the king of eighth avenue, james behnen. it's eighth avenue. >> never been called that before. never will again. >> it is eighth avenue? >> it is. >> you'll be called it every time you come back on the show. every time. >> that's awesome. >> so you hear a lot from people on the left who say, the press must hold donald trump
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accountable. >> do not normalize him. >> but also, just hold him accountable. lots of news organizations, including yours on the news side and on the editorial side, have, in many respects, investigative pieces, editorials denouncing certain things he does. you used to be a working reporter, what could the press at large do more than we're doing to hold him accountable? >> this is a question we're asking ourselves, i think, all the time right now. you know, i think there's -- you know, the times are certainly doubling down on its investigative capacity in washington and other papers, other news organizations are, too, just because there's so many questions emerging about potential conflicts of interest and what's going to happen with his business interests, how that might influence foreign or domestic policy. i think there are a lot of questions we have to ask ourselves, you know, about -- >> just give me -- give me an example of one thing. let's say the head of the top 15
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news organizations in the country were called in and said, james, we want to hold him more accountable, we'll do whatever you say. what's one thing that people could do, news organizations, reporters, editors, anchors could do to hold him more accountable? >> i think investigative reporting is number one. but the scary thing is what you were talking about earlier. which is the fact that he has his own giant megaphone, as he should, as president-elect and now as president. and has this pattern of simply denying widely-accepted reality. >> let me just -- >> and in that environment, it's very -- we're just kind of -- we're in a new -- >> let's say we're an investigative reporter. "the times" had an incredibly great piece over the weekend, looking at his holdings in individual countries, very long piece, overview, and broken it down market-by-market. there were tons of things in there that raised red flags. and yet, i have no sense that that's impacting donald trump's life in any way. >> i agree with you. i think, we as journalists need to keep doing our jobs and doing
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them as well as we can, which means reporting the truth as we understand it, digging deeply. you know, being fair, obviously, and trying to understand the man in full and his interests, his side of the story, too, but it's ultimately up to the citizens and how they receive and process those messages. and, you know, the voters spoke in this election, editorial boards like mine were arguing for a different outcome. we didn't get the outcome we were arguing for. and i think we do have to ask ourselves hard questions about how we should be reaching people. whether we're reaching them as effectively as we'd like to be in this day and age. >> this is very kind of conventional conversation that i would like to make -- >> sorry, that's my fault. >> it's not just because of the way -- no, back it up to the thing you just said a second ago. first of all, like, there is a great debate going on right now. you guys, there was a piece in the magazine about reince
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priebus this weekend, normalizer in chief or whatever. and normalization is now a big debate, right? so within the halls of "the new york times" at the highest levels, is there a posture on this question? should the press -- to what -- what is the posture on normalization? it's clearly not -- he's clearly not a normal president-elect. he's clearly doing all kinds of things that are breaking precedent every moment, right? so what's "the times'" posture with respect to -- does it have a posture with respect to, normalizing this man as president? >> i want to understand what we normal by normalizing. this is what i'm struggling with a little bit. because if by normalizing we mean denying the reality of the fact that this guy has been elected president, i don't think that's going to get us very far. if what we mean is that we shouldn't simply accept that it's normal for a president of the united states to have as many conflicts of interest as donald trump is entering office -- >> and to claim it's impossible
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to have conflicts of interest -- >> yeah, he's quite cunning about all of this stuff, and that's the way he articulates it. and he's got a point, by the way. but that isn't the same thing as saying, therefore, he has no conflicts of interest and might be having a big impact on policy. so, you know, we can put a whole lot of things in a big bucket and call that normalizing the president, when, in fact, what we're doing is trying to report as aggressively as we can on what he's up to. >> so last night, when trump tweeted this thing about how he won the electoral college in a landslide, which he didn't, and then went on to say he would have won the popular vote if it weren't for millions of people who voted illegally, which was a lie, right? >> right. >> there was a whole debate on twitter that broke out about how to handle that. because when he asserts things that are demonstrably untrue, and we say, that's demonstrably untrue, what we hear back is, you guys are all biased. and in some ways, it strengthens
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him, in the sense that by saying these things and drawing the rebukes from us that it draws, his followers then say, you know, again, it's trump against the world. the mapinstream media is out to get trump. in some weird way, do you think he's playing a very cunning game by doing these things, by lying as overtly as he does, by saying the sky is red rather than blue? >> yeah, i think he is. i think it changes the subject for him. it gets us all talking about something else. but i think it's possibly deeper than that, you know? i do think at last this notion that, you know, that's loose in the land, that's out there, that everything's narrative, and you have your version of the fact and he has his version of the facts, and it's the same debate that we've been having around climate change, where the proof is all on one side, yet the other side continues to insist the case isn't proved. and i think it's a really scary question for the whole country.
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we used to talk about spin, right? but spin was about an accepted version of truth, you were just trying to put the best possible -- the 40-yard-line. >> now we're just operating completely off the field. and he never, that i know of, ever says, oh, yeah, i got that one wrong or let me go back and do a do-over on that one. he just kind of moves on, leaving us in his wake, arguing about, bickering about what, you know, whether he was lying, whether the right word is lie. >> as a factual matter, has "the new york times" written a favorable editorial about donald trump since he became a presidential candidate? >> i've got to give that some thought. we've certainly said favorable things about him, including about the boldness of his infrastructure plan, we threw a big number out there. and we've given -- no, we have,
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in fairness, we've given credit to him for different positions that he's taken, as a candidate. >> okay. but, in fact, the campaign's kind of a blur for me now, mark. >> we look forward to next year. >> when i come back, i'll -- >> when you're back. >> james behnen, perhaps making his final appearance on this show. we shall see, not because he wasn't great, because he was. when we come back, john's interview with the q tip, the abstract of the group, tribe called quest. you're not going to want to miss it. and if you're watching the show in washington, d.c., you can listen to the show on radio radio on bloomberg 99.1 f.m. on your radio device. we'll be right back. urke] at fan almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. even a rodent ride-along. [dad] alright, buddy, don't forget anything! [kid] i won't, dad... [captain rod] happy tuesday morning! captain rod here. it's pretty hairy out on the interstate.traffic is literally crawling, but there is some movement on the eastside overpass. getting word of another collision.
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jon batiste has mastered new ways to play old classics. with chase atms, he can master new ways to deposit checks too. easy to use chase technology for whatever you're trying to master. this might turn out to be an evergreen headline, but the number one billboard headline is "thank you for your service" by a brand called tribe. it might be that its overtly political themes and lyrics landed with perfect timing or maybe people just love amazing hip hop that is simultaneously gloriously old school and exquisitely modern. as millions of americans and especially of those of color still coming to terms what trump's election might mean, a tribe called quest has given
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their version. lyrics can only get you so far, so we were ecstatic when q-tip showed up here late last week for an extended conversation. we started talking about his appearance on "saturday night live" when guest host dave chappelle said he was willing to give trump a chance. i asked tip if he was willing to give trump a chance, too. >> i guess we have no choice but to give him a chance, right, because he's the president. but i think that, you know, it's probably more heightened disillusionment with him. because he's been a public figure for over 30 years. i think that the platform that he ran on is one of, is very scary. it's, it's extremely polarizing. it's divisive, it's not necessarily inclusive.
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and it's dangerous and it's one that brings about an almost absolutely fear. i wouldn't want to give someone like that a chance, per se. but the actuallity of the situation is that he is the president and people voted for him, although i didn't vote for him. he is the incumbent, and you know, he's my president now. >> yeah. so, i said before this record was unusually political, unusually political for modern day hip pop, also unusually political for tribe, right? >> yeah. >> so the first song you did on "saturday night live" is "we the people." that's the most popular song right now on spotify off the record, and i thought it was fascinating. it was a great performance you gave, and immediately you saw people tweeting, this is our new national anth national anthem, right? >> yeah. i want to put the lyrics up here, i want you to unpack it a little bit and tell me what you
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were thinking. i want you to do me a favor. give me the open here. >> we don't believe you, because we the people are still here in the rear, yo, we don't need you. you're in the killing off good young [ bleep ] mood. when we get hungry, we eat the same [ bleep ] food. the chorus is, all you black folks, you must go. all of you mexicans, you must go. all of you poor folks, you must go. muslims and gays, boy, we hate you ways. so all of you bad folks, you must go. >> unpack that for me,bringing ? >> you know, it's really real. we don't have that much faith in our political figures, because time and time again, we see broken promises, broken agendas, lines drawn between different aisles of the party.
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we see a lot of infighting and then you expect us to believe that you really have our best interests. are you dialing back to globalization? seems like it. are you trying to have kind of like a our interests as people are not really valued. only at election time, these things up that are kind of pertinent and near and dear to us. and we're still hear in the rear, yo, we don't need you. that line is really saying that we as people have to understand our power. we have to understand that, you know, the president-elect, you know, the whole cabinet, they work for us and we put them in that office. our moneys pay their salaries.
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li like, they are supposed to be representing our necessities and supporting our dreams and the ideas and the principles of this country are not just some sort of flowery hemingway preface. you know, it's a real deal thing and we hold you accountable. and, you're in the killing off good young [ bleep ] mood, you know, that's really speaking to the -- what i believe to be the continuation of slavery, you know, when slavery was abolished, you see that it goes to jim crow and, you know, you get to the civil rights movement, obviously, and then the prison industrial complex and now that that has been kind of like, you know, front and center for over the past 20 years, you see a lot of, you
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know, good energy surrounding the reversal of that. you just see out and out, you know, horrific and, you know, screened executions of black men. >> but it's clear to me like, as you think about this record, you guys were tabbed in over the course of the year you were making it, you were tapped into the fear that a lot of non-white voters and americans feel right now. you were tapped into it early. there's a lot of expressions of it in the course of the records, part of it, again, why i think the record is so resonant. are you afraid right now of the incoming administration? that they're tolerant of racism. that things will get bad for communities of color? is that something that worries you? if so, what are you going to do for it? >> there are going to be a lot of voters that voted for trump, that if he does not come through on what he ran on, that group is going to be very irate.
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and there's already a group here who is the antithesis of everything that he ran for, who are scared, right? so you have fear and you have anger. >> yeah. >> i think that's a cocktail that if it's not settled and dealt with in transparency, in truth, and we don't know where you're shooting from, you continue to stoke that flame, it's going to wind up blowing up. i think it's going to be a problem. so do i fear for me? do i fear for the people? no. because i think the people are so at the edge o their emotions, that any reservations are kind of long gone.
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so i think it's just -- this incumbent has a lot on their hands, and they have to really -- this is going to be interesting to watch. >> we will have more from q tip, including his thoughts on kanye west, right after this. our eyes...they have a 200-degree range of sight... which is good for me hey! ... and bad for the barkley twins. take care of all your most important parts with centrum. with our most vitamin d three ever.
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elevated him. >> i'm. >> crusade for him, you know? >> just because that's my boy. and that's what we're supposed to do. you know what i mean? >> but i'm so, i'm just ecstatic about everything. and, the way that it's all unfolded, you know, i remember looking at that picture. i remember that night, you know, when we were -- i think i was -- i think he was 18 and i was 19. and i just had a birthday. because the album, the first album that came out. so, just thinking thoughts like that, you know? >> yeah. >> just in a for instance, in a brother sense. you know, i'm definitely happy that it could have been scripted better. it's like, a poetic justice, if
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you would. >> does it sadden you that he's not around to see it? >> definitely. for sure. >> yeah. >> the selfish part of me wants him here. >> are you going to tour with the record? >> um, i don't know. you know, people have been writing in, skpsking about that. >> well, we've all got questions. first of all, we want it. and second of all, we want to know who's going to do that. >> i don't know. >> you've got some -- you've got some ideas. make some news for me here. >> i really don't know. it's hard to like really tackle that. like, that's my guy. he wouldn't be there. you know what i'm saying? how do we approach it. now, the other part is, you want to deliver it just because of the music and we want to move the music around and you want to give it to people and share an exchange. and also what this record seems to be shaping up to mean to certain people and where we're
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at, we should maybe take a lap, but, i don't know. >> i'm sitting here thinking in my head, who could do those fife rhymes? it's hard to figure out. >> you're angling. >> no, i'm -- >> that's what it is. would you come out? >> you know, all you've got to do is ask, man. >> so if we were to do a show -- >> i'd give it a shot. >> let me ask you on television. if we were to do a show in the house. >> yeah? >> a microphone check. see, i'd come out there and do that. >> handshake? >> a 5-foot assassin. i'm 6'5", so it doesn't really work. but i've got the roughneck business. >> thanks to q-tip. that was great. a crowd called quest. we got it for here, thank you for your service. it is number one and we'll be right back.
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you have access to the world wide web. it's on we'll be back here tomorrow, same bad time, same bad channel. sayonara. coming up, "hardball with chris matthews." count the ballots. let's play "hardball". >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. donald trump says the 2016 presidential election saw millions of illegal voters casting ballots. people who were no entitled to vote did so. thereby rigging the election in favor of his rival, hillary clinton. so why would trump make such a claim? why would someone who's won this historic election, who stands on the verge of becoming an american president, want to discourage the very election that brought him to power.


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