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once again trump had, in newt gingri gingrich's words, a rabbit to chase. but it is what got him to victory in this campaign, a message to the country that he is not just another politician? i think that's precisely what it is, another declaration in real time that he's not one of them. expect a lot of this the next four years. what it has to do with governing, unclear. what it has to do with politics, in trump's mind, is the name of his game. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> you cannot let people die on the street. now some people say that's not a very republican thing to say. >> donald trump's latest cabinet pick set up an epic showdown over obamacare and medicare. tonight, democrats draw new battle lines for what could be the first big fight for the trump white house.
then, from his newly announced victory rallies to lashing out at reporters to threatening to revoke the citizenship of protesters, he's already abandoning efforts to unite the nation. >> now it's time for america to bind the wounds of division. >> plus new concerns over sheriff david clark's place in trump's cabinet. then previewing tomorrow's big vote on democratic leadership. >> we have a responsibility to find common ground but to stand our ground when we can't. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. breaking news tonight. nbc news confirms that donald trump will announce two more cabinet picks as soon as tomorrow. according to a top transition source. steve mnuchin, he's a wall street alum and goldman sachs alum who is expected to be named treasury secretary. while wilbur ross, a billionaire investor, is expected to be
named secretary of the department of commerce. the man who ran for office on a pledge to, quote, drain the swamp of globalists, elitists and insiders now seems to be doing his most to fill it to the brim. trump is currently at dinner with mitt romney at a restaurant. we'll keep you posted if they make any news. it's not unusual for campaign promises to fall by the way side, but with his latest nominations, particularly those related to health care, donald trump may be in the midst of pulling off the biggest bait and switch in recent memory. throughout the campaign going back to the primaries trump indicated that while he'd repeal the affordable care act he'd take a different approach to health care than most republicans. >> you cannot let people die on the street. some people will say that's in the a very republican thing to say. the problem is that everybody thinks that you people as republicans hate the concept of taking care of people that are really, really sick and are going to die. that'ssingle payer, by the
way, that's called heart. we have to take care of people that can't take care of themselves. >> among a crowded field of 17 candidates, this is one of donald trump's main selling points. he favored protections for people with pre-existing conditions and he wouldn't do anything, something he reiterated time and time again, to cut popular programs like social security and medicare and medicaid, what republicans refer to as entitlements. >> a lot of these guys, they want to cut your social security. they want to lower -- they want to do things to social security and medicaid. can't do it. it's not fair. you've been paying into it. we're not going to do it. >> not fair, not going to do it. that position is still up there at donaldjtrump.com, why donald trump won't touch your entitlements. the rest is history. which brings us to the switch. earlier today the trump transition announced two new
nominations, georgia congressman tom price for director of health and human services and seema verma. price holds the distinction of being one of the few republican lawmakers to actually come up with a plan to replace obamacare. the bill entitled the empowering patients first act. this one from congressman price is even further to the right, it should be clear. among other things price's bill would let insurers charge more to patients with pre-existing conditions. it would give out tax credits based on age bracket. the older you are, the more you get with no adjustments for income as the ryan plan does. and price's bill would simply eliminate the medicaid expansion. a program that covers millions of people, replacing it with nothing. and as the current chairman of the house budget committee,
price has also backed ryan's plan to privatize medicare telling reporters that he expects the house to move on medicare reforms six to eight months into the trump administration. it's pretty clear that the affordable care act has some problems that need fixing, but the one unequivocal success of that law is it has expanded insurance coverage to about 20 million people in this country. since 2013, the uninsured rate has plummeted to an all-time low of just 10% in the first quarter of 2016. for first time 90% of americans have health care coverage. those gains appear to have been especially pronounced among low income whites without a college degree. according to "the washington post," the unissued rate for college educated whites fell by ten percentage points from 25% to 15%. if obamacare is repealed and congressman price's bill is signed into law, a lot of those same people, many of them, could
lose their coverage. but as chuck schumer, the incoming senate minority leader signaled today, democrats aren't going to let any of it happen without a fight. >> between this nomination of an avowed medicare opponent and republicans here in washington threatening to privatize medicare? it's clear that washington republicans are plotting a war on seniors. we say to our republicans who want to privatize medicare, go try it. make our day. >> and joining me now, political analyst howard dean, former dnc chair, also a physician, and let me start with you because i think this is a fascinating civil war brewing. before we get to the merits of price's plan or ryan's plan, would you say there's tension between the rhetoric of donald trump, the promises he made across the board, social security, medicare and medicaid
which he was quick to point out, and the kind of vision of both ryan and price? >> yeah, i would say the way you summarize trump's policy point of view, he's made three key promises. one, i'll reveal and replace obamacare. two, i'm going to take care of everybody. this is a guy that you note this your opening segment who supports universal coverage. and he said he's going to do it in a way that's less expensive, less costly than the aca. those thee policy objectives can be achieved. there are reform plans out there. the one we founded, we estimate would do that. and remember, the hhs secretary doesn't write legislation. >> right. >> that's the job of congress. and not just both branches of congress, particularly the senate. you are going to have to get 60 votes in the senate to replace the aca. so democrats are going to have a say. >> what's fas ain'ting to me here is the medicare privatization angle of this. this is something that paul ryan has wanted to do forever. it's part of the ryan budget, the dream of republican think
tanks, the dream of a whole bunch of folks in the senate for a long time. if there's one thing that there's no mandate for, it's that. donald trump specifically ran saying i'm not going to do that. reminds me of the bush social security fight in 2005. >> it is the bush social security fight in 2005. i predict this won't get out of the house. why? because everybody has an opponent who will call them on it. this is the best possible way that you could get democrats to pick up more seats in 2018. >> just a simple medicare privatization? >> yeah, this basically takes medicare away from people who are hurting and give breaks to people who aren't. this is insane. there's no constituency for this except among the right wing think tank people in washington. >> that's my question for you. the famous line of barack obama when selling the aca, which republicans have sort of lorded over your head, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. even if that was broadly
conceptually true, in every individual instance, it was not, clearly, some people lost their doctors. can anyone who is going to under take this massive change to american health care, saying if you have insurance now, you're going to be insured, seems like no one can credibly make that promise. >> remember in 2010 when republicans retook the majority in the house, they passed the paul ryan medicare plan out of the house and they've done that every single year since then. >> right. >> and they haven't lost their majority. they've retained it. it's not obvious to me that there's this huge april price for passing the ryan plan out of the house. >> it's one thing to pass the bill and another thing when that bill becomes law. >> sure. >> so there's a very big difference in that republicans have spent eight years criticizing democrats' health care policy initiatives, criticizing the affordable care act, they will own it and they will, i will imagine, own it entirely. >> sure, but the really important point about the paul ryan plan, it doesn't change
medicare for anybody over the age of 55. it changes medicare for people like you and me. and that's the political genius of the plan, so to speak. >> or deviousness, depending on your interpretation. >> by the time we get through with them, it will change your -- >> wait. say what you were going to say. >> by the time we get through with it, people over 65 will think it will be attacking them. >> we meaning democrats? >> yeah. we won't give anybody a chance to explain this. >> i like governor dean announcing exactly how -- >> exactly what we're going to do. >> i remember, chris, being on your old weekend show in 2012 when mitt romney picked paul ryan as his running mate and rachel maddow was sitting next to me saying this is going to be so awesome. the democrats will be able to torch romney with seniors. he did better with seniors than any other age group. >> but it's interesting to hear you say that. because here's what my theory of the case here. donald trump won that republican primary because he rejected a whole bunch of orthodoxy on
smaller government, on entitlements, on sort of free markets and how free markets operate. he ran as this sort of populist, ran as this big government quasiauthoritarian. turned out the republican base liked that. they don't want medicare cut, they don't want it privatized. now the entire institutional nature of the think tank world and all the wonks are from the price/ryan/avik school. they'll get a chance to try that out even though as governor dean says there's no actual political constituency for that. >> i'm not so sure about that. i think there is a political constituency for it. i'm looking forward to litigating that, right? i'm looking forward to seeing whether you're right or whether i'm right about the mandate or the potential for this kind of reform. >> here's what i'm not looking forward to, is a bunch of people getting kicked off medicaid who are poor, struggling and have
coverage right now. we know that's part of the price plan. it's a big part of the sort of republican agenda which has opposed medicaid expansion in every particular -- >> that's really interesting. we'll have a way of looking at that. because in kentucky they have a hard right governor who is basically busy stripping his own constituents, the modest income white voters of their medicaid. they had the best rollout of the aca under steve brashear in the country, the best implementation, the current right wing governor is stripping it. it will be fas betecinating wha price they pay. >> maybe they won't. a test case of avik's point. >> this is something that people really need. >> to me, the bigger thing here is one thing we know about the politics of health care is people don't like disruption. whichever way that disruption moves in my ideological direction.
now republicans they'll have to disrupt in some way. >> the plan we're talking about before, the plan at our foundation which is called transcending obamacare, that plan is exactly to your point. it's all about being as gradual as possible at modernizing medicare and medicaid and the legacy health care system, making it more affordable for people. and it can be done. to your point that you made earlier, again, we should emphasize this, donald trump supports universal coverage. in the very first presidential debate he was asked by one of the moderator, you support universal coverage. why do you do that? he said, yeah, i do. and he still won. >> yes. >> the more ideological republicans who say we don't want to cover as many people as the aca, they won't hold sway. it will be donald trump's version of covering everyone that will matter. >> you won't get anything done in health care or coverage because it's too expensive unless you get rid of fee for service medicine. >> tom price is not on the side of that.
>> yes, the private sector will do it first, which is i think the genius of aca is the aco which will do this with the private sector. they have to. >> thank you for your time. >> thanks, buddy. >> from suggesting flag burners should lose their citizenship to lashing out at the media, is he getting distracted from his, quote, bind the wounds of division. that's an actual quote. it was 3:00 in the morning on election night. that he isn't able to do, and make-a-wish stepped in. we had to climb up the mountain to get the injured hiker. he fell from, like, a rock. he's been the one that has been rescued so many times. he said to me, "today, i got to be the hero." (avo) the subaru share the love event has helped grant the wishes of over twelve hundred kids so far. get a new subaru, and we'll donate two hundred and fifty dollars more to help those in need. ♪put a little love in your heart.♪
now it's time for america to bind the wounds of division. we have to get together. to all republicans and democrats and independents across this nation, i say it is time for us to come together as one united people. >> tonight there are more signs that donald trump is losing that kumbaya spirit from election night or election day after morning. three weeks ago he's pledging not to forget the forgotten men
and women. last night caught editing the tweet of a 16-year-old reporter to take a shot at a cnn reporter. a self-described 16-year-old oakland raiders fan, pathetic. you have no sufficient evidence that donald trump did not suffer from voter fraud. but as@filibuster himself hastened to point out, it did not include the ad hominem bad reporter. cnn is blaming me for calling jeff zeleny a bad reporter. donald trump added that to the end of the tweet, not me, thank you. then a bit of a stir by suggesting consequences for flag burners. perhaps loss of citizenship or a year in jail. just a small point. those are wildly divergent penalties. there was speculation that it was part of an ongoing grand design to distract the public from the growing concerns about trump's conflicts of interest or his pick for hhs secretary.
the real reason appears to be far more mundane, that trump saw a story on fox news about students who allegedly burned a flag. timing of trump's tweet lines up with fox segment at 6:25 a.m. on students burning the flag. meanwhile, he's about to embark on a thank you tour of the states that he won. it was originally dubbed victory tour. here's what i find fascinating, when democrats win, there's immediately this sort of call that they have to reach across and there was a little bit of that in 2012 after the whole republican autopsy. you can't lose these groups anymore, latinos by the margins and still win election. this time you have a guy who has got the biggest loss in the popular vote since reutut ruthe. hayes and there's no sense that he's reaching out and no
pressure to do so. >> no, none. look, the whole idea of mandates i've always found to be really worthless. >> you win or you don't win. >> you hear a lot about mandates. there's no such thing. there never was. no one has ever been constrained that way. it is really baked into the cake. >> that's right. >> as to who the politicians are. the fact that he just fired off this tweet after watching a fox news segment is really the most telling thing about this. i don't think there's any strategy. i don't think there's any sense of i'm not healing the country, i am healing the country. i just get the sense that, honestly, like the transition is moving forward. there's a whole sort of shadow -- not shadow, a whole government that's sitting and waiting. his job is to sit there and not tweet, then he gets allowed to tweet. and god knows what's happening there. but if this is what the guy is
doing, i don't think there's any grand plan. it's other people doing stuff and him sort of like, well, as long as he stays out on the porch -- >> this is what's amazing to me. the famous wedge issue memo patrick buchanan wrote nixon back in the '60s. we cleaved the country in half but we get the bigger half. in numerical sense it's not the bigger half. but donald trump knows he has a real, intense, emotional intuitive appeal to his hard core supporters and those are going to be the people this entire presidency will revolve around, rhetorically, in terms of issues he pushes. that's 100% clear to me. >> he's caught in this media bubble that we're all part of to a certain extent. and that's the feedback and that's where he's going from. and i think that's what's driving him. i'm not even sure it's as strategic as that as much as he's just like i'm going to trust me and he's a product of that and there's a lot of people out there that want to consume that.
>> speaking of mandates, there's a mandate happening right now at the popular jean george restaurant, three michelin stars here in new york. that's trump and mitt romney and reince priebus playing the third wheel. because we have tape of this, it's totally bizarre. these are rich people eating at a very nice restaurant. the romney subplot here, which is sort of a part of that, right? it's a part about the question do you move beyond your base because this is the guy that became the kind of standardbearer for never-trump republicanism. what is your interpretation of what we're watching play out with respect to that? >> my sense is -- and this really has nothing to do with politics as much as it does -- >> no, it's all personality. >> there is an entire apparatus around donald trump that has absolutely no experience in government. >> yep. >> that you've got stories of
people walking into the white house like who stays who goes? >> yep. >> you mean they all go? >> yep, yeah. >> zero experience. it seems to me if i was any number of those people the last thing i'd want is someone to show up who has some semblance of an understanding of the way government works. >> or would you want that more than anything? it depends on who you are. >> you and i would want that. >> right. >> and there are people who understand you want to surround yourself with more experience and more intelligent people. >> right. >> but if you're not one of those people, you're completely inexperienced, you want to wreak havoc, which i'm not convinced, if i'm reading stuff that bannon has said, that he doesn't want a lot of that. >> yeah. >> that you want someone who is grown uppish. >> right, right. >> mitt romney is not my -- >> right. >> for a grown-up. they perceive him that way. >> sam seder, thank you. sheriff david clark donald trump's possible pick for leader of homeland security who is
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companies like carrier simply fire their workers and move their operations to mexico, build new plants, make their product and sell it back into this country. guess what? not going to be so easy to do anymore. we're going to tell them that, look, if you move, we are going to charge you 35% every time you make an air conditioner and think you're going to sell it back into our country. okay? every time you make an air conditioning unit, carrier, who
left indianapolis, every time you make an air conditioning unit and you think you're going to sell it into our country tax free, not going to happen anymore. no more. 35% tax. 35% tax. and you know what's going to happen? when they hear that, they're not leaving, folks. >> the a favorite cause of trump, the carrier plant in indianapolis, where it told its workers they were up and moving production to mexico. >> became clear that the best way to stay competitive and protect the business for long term is to move production from our facility at indianapolis to monterrey, mexico. >> the move would eliminate 1400 jobs at least in indianapolis over a three-year time table. there's also another factory nearby. but after trump made carrier part of his campaign platform
workers said they hoped that he'd deliver, though they were skeptical. >> let's say he does follow through, i'm assuming that would be a euphoric day for everyone at carrier. >> oh, yeah. if he can come here and save these 1400 jobs here tomorrow, i'll gladly vote for him again if he's up for re-election. but i have to be skeptical. but i'm very hopeful that he can come through on these things he said he would do. >> tonight cnbc news said trump is heading to indianapolis this thursday to announce a deal that would apparently save 1,000 jobs. carrier confirming, we are pleased to reach a deal with president-elect trump and, this is key, vp-elect pence to keep close to 1,000 jobs in indy. they had been working on inducements to keep carrier there. the actual difls the deal which is a combination one imagines of carrots more than sticks, exactly what carrot was promised in return, all that remains unclear. cnbc reports the deal terms
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seeking damages. her lawyer wrote in the notice of claims that she told a corrections officer her water broke and she was going into labor. the officer laughed and ignored her. the inmate said she told the officer she was going into labor around midnight, gave birth around 4:00 a.m. and finally received attention from officers at 6:00 a.m. her child was pronounced dead later that day. that former inmate's claim is against the milwaukee county sheriff's office which has sin issued a statement she did not inform jail staff that she was going into labor and the baby is stillborn. the inmate disputes both points. it is run by sheriff david clark. he may be familiar to you from frequent fox news appearances, his turn at a speaker at the republican national convention. he made an appearance at trump tower where he met with the president-elect and is reportedly under consideration for a cabinet position, possibly department of homeland security. their office would have no
further comment on the newborn's death, but that's not the only death that's occurred in the jail system that mr. clark runs. another inmate died of profound dehydration according to the milwaukee county medical examiner. other inmates heard thomas beg for water in the days before he died. clark's office said it would not be commenting on the case until all investigations and possible lawsuits have ended. the journal sentinel reports two other inmates have died at the jail. a 38-year-old female died in august and a 29-year-old male died in late october. no information has been released about the causes of death or circumstances surrounding those two cases. since clark is under consideration to run part of the federal government, we thought we'd talk to someone who knows his record well. joining me wisconsin state representative mandela barnes representing milwaukee. representative barnes, what is your assessment of mr. clark's performance in his role as the sheriff of milwaukee county as
opposed to his role as a provocateur and talking head? >> well, that's about all he is, is a provocateur and talking head. he's shown nothing but a culture of mismanagement in his time as mach county sheriff, conveniently putting his political ambitions above the needs of the people of milwaukee county. he had so much audacity to even neglect to protect president barack obama when he was in milwaukee a few years back, yet he's parading around with donald trump, made sure he made it to the republican national convention and he does more political speeches and travel than he does, actually, working as sheriff of milwaukee county. there's been four deaths in four months. he's already been on the hook for over $400,000 in lawsuits. we're looking at potentially millions more if these four deaths are settled. >> we're quoting journal sentinel reporting and i have sources and friends in milwaukee that i talk to a bit about his reputation there. how much this is an issue, is a
scandal there. obviously, they deny that the charges of the woman who is suing, but a newborn dead in a jail is no small thing. >> right. and so this is sheriff clark not performing his duties. this is his staff under his supervision. imagine if he's the head of homeland security what kind of trouble that spells for people across the entire united states. it should be very frightening for a lot of people who only hear sheriff david clark but don't know his actions. >> we should make a point the department of homeland security is the entity that runs huge facilities that detain and incarcerate thousands, hundreds of thousands at times immigrants, sometimes families. there's been huge abuses. a lot of that's privatized even under the obama administration, human rights groups have raised concerns. that would be one of the main duties of sheriff clark were he to take that position. >> and one thing that a lot of people can identify with is travel. you have to think about the tsa,
how frustrating travel already is. imagine if sheriff david clark gets into that post what we'll be facing as average americans. >> does he have a future in milwaukee county politics or in wisconsin politics or has he become a kind of national figure? for someone who has a job, it is rare to see a public official spend as much time on cable news as he does. >> well, he's made his career deceiving the voting public in milwaukee county. he runs as a democrat. we know he's not a democrat. it's very unfortunate for the person who goes to the ballot and just seeing democrat and checks democrat or in people who see a black figure and assume that he has black interests at heart and support him. because that's what's been happening over the past several years over the past few elections. i don't believe that he has a future in milwaukee county at this point simply because his head is swollen to big his platform has become that much greater with the conservative right. he's their darling now. he's their guy.
he hasn't been milwaukee county's guy for a long time. i'm glad someone else can take ownership of him. >> he's said a lot of controversial things. he's talked about our institutions of government and big media corrupt, all we do is bitch. pitchfork and torches time. >> he incited a riot. >> he said black lives matter will join forces with isis to bring down our legally constituted republic. you heard it here first. this is someone who oversees a law enforcement agency who presumably has to provide security at protests and so forth. >> someone should have to assume what his role as homeland security director would be with peaceful protesters who could potentially be detained and potentially stripped of all of their rights. he's not a person who even abides by the constitution. he's not a person who i consider to be serious law enforcement professional. again, he's a provocateur, he's a right wing talking head. it stops there. >> mandela barnes, state representative. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up, is jason chaffetz
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few steps away from her, watching and waiting? oh, that's just dan quayle, you know, america's 44th vice president who served under george w. bush and a man who is best remembered for misspelling potato in an elementary school classroom. >> how about on the end? you're right phonetically. but put a little -- there it is. >> even the press pool didn't initially recognize dan quayle but he later offered a statement about his meeting with donald trump. >> he's moving forward and is going to make america great again. >> can you tell us exactly -- >> what did you think about the bush family not supporting mr. trump?
before the presidential election house oversight committee jason chaffetz seemed awfully excited about the prospect of trying to destroy president hillary clinton. it's a target-rich environment, chaffetz told "the washington post." even before we get to day one we've got two years worth of material already lined up. he held to that stance even after the election when clinton became another american citizen. he insists he still has a duty and obligation to get to the truth about clinton's tenure at the state department. >> we would be remiss if we just dismissed it and moved on. we have a lot of things we have to fix so it never, ever happens
again. >> you're saying that investigation continues? >> oh, absolutely. i'd be derelict from my duty if i let it go. >> the truth is that clinton's law threw a wrench into chaffetz's plans. he still has plenty to do. thanks to his refusal to liquidate his business holdings or at the very least place them in an actual blind trust, donald trump is poised to enter the white house with unprecedented conflicts of interest. indeed constitutional scholars warning that because he's poised to personally profit from the presidency he may be committing a clear impeachable offense on his first day in office. democrats are appealing to them to play fair. representative elijah cummings and his colleagues sending chaffetz a pair of letters asking him to take the obvious step and investigate trump's conflicts. how did chaffetz respond? didn't. silence. we got the same answer.
twice today we asked him to make a statement, they turned us down. he did appear on fox news where he mocked democrats' call for action. >> give him a chance. he hasn't even been sworn in yet. it's hard to criticize him or suggest an investigation by congress when the guy hasn't been sworn in yet. >> hasn't been sworn in yet. kevin mccarthy embarrassed his party last year when he suggested that the benghazi committee was in reality a partisan effort to damage hillary clinton. for some reason i can't figure out why mccarthy no longer thinks those sorts of investigations are such a good idea. telling reporters, quote, i think it's been a bad thing, it's harmed the ability for people all to work together. here's the short answer for what republicans in congress will do barring a massive story they simply can't ignore about trump's conflicts of interest and possible corruption -- absolutely nothing. the effort to hold trump
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challenge from keith schuller way back in 2010. she says she has two-thirds of the votes locked up. today she got the backing of ellison. ryan argues he would offer a more robust economic challenge that would better appeal to the working class rust belt voters who backed trump in the election. he said he still has a shot at beating pelosi. >> we're within striking distance. a lot of people are going to be surprised on wednesday. does she have support of two-thirds of the caucus in your view? >> i think that's a little inflated, but you know, we're going to see. >> joining me now, political analyst joan walsh and nina turner former democratic ohio state senator. joan, let me start with you. you know, look, nancy pelosi was an incredible speaker just in this sort of not ideological but how she ran her caucus. she delivered vote after vote.
>> best ever. >> incredible at delivering hard votes. i don't think she's really threatened here. >> right. >> tim ryan has kind of a point? >> and what is it? >> that the party could use leadership not from california? >> i agree. >> basically. like one-fifth of the house democratic caucus is from california which god knows i love california, but it is a little bit of the issue with the party right now. >> theoretically. but my challenge to tim ryan would be, you know, hillary clinton didn't carry your district. what did you do to help her? while you've been in congress, youngstown has gotten increasingly more republican. the notion that he has a secret plan to bring democratic party back in the so-called rust belt, ryan doesn't want us to call it that anymore, so i'll stop. i don't see it. an incredibly terrible thing to lose nancy pelosi, and it won't happen at a time like this. democrats are playing strategic
defense right now. i believe that she knows how to do that better than anybody else. >> from a parliamentary -- >> right. >> perspective. nina, it's interesting to me that the dnc fight has gotten a lot of attention because it feels like a proxy continuation of a lot of the primary, right? there's this sort of sanders wing, clinton wing, the white house wing. and this has gotten a little less attention because it's less contested. keith ellison, who is a sanders backer, endorsed nancy pelosi. you're from ohio. where do you kind of come down on this? >> i come down with the people, where i've always been. certainly i do agree with joan in the sense that leader pelosi has been a good leader. she was a great speaker of the house. but this comes down to -- this is an upset election year. and to blame congressman ryan for secretary clinton's loss in ohio is ludicrous. >> i didn't do that, nina, i would never do that. >> no, you did. you said that he couldn't even carry his own district. >> i raise the question. it's a point.
>> -- won 70% of the votes in 30 counties in the state of ohio. this was just an upset election year. but the bigger point is what do democrats want to do moving forward? we got beat like a drum in november, and this didn't just start happening. this started happening in 2010. so we have a lot of ground to make up. we have to determine what type of party we are going to be and who we are standing for. leader pelosi is the odds-on favorite, but let us not forget this is a secret ballot, chris. so folks can say whatever they want in public, but they can vote in secret without retribution. >> that's true. so the point you make, to me, the deeper problem here is this geographic problem. >> right. >> you've got this crazy situation. we've all seen the math, we've seen a democratic party that's been eviscerated in the obama era and still delivered a plus 2 million vote national margin to hillary clinton but that is -- i don't know the way out of that is threw a leadership fight, but
that does seem to be the central problem the democratic party faces right now. >> that's why i'm more invested in the dnc fight where i think there's -- there are a bunch of great candidates. i love keith ellison. i'm just not even going to go there. but i'd love to see a debate. i want people to put on the table their plans for rebuilding the democratic party in these places where we've let it wither and where people only come out every four years and try to organize but the people who are -- but the party as an institution is gone. >> does the leadership fight, does who is the face of the party do you think, nina, when you think about those counties in ohio and ohio, i mean, hillary clinton lost badly in ohio. >> she did. >> it was a shellacking. >> yes. . do you think that matters in that? it does seem to be the dnc fight and this bottom-up approach is the key. but does even the face of the party matter that much for your state? >> it matters not just for my state, but it just matters to the americans that we have lost.
i mean, based on our party and our party proposition, our platform and all of that stuff where people can't pay mortgages or send their kids to college, but we do have the ideas that should resonate with most of people. what we have to do is make that connection and we have to decide what type of leaders fit this moment. and that doesn't mean that leaders that are there now or leaders that have been there in the past have done a bad job, but we do have to do some real self-assessment and shake things up. we cannot limit the debate as we did in the presidential election. that cannot happen. >> there's all this talk about identity politics, something that a lot of people have been talking about in a variety of places, tim ryan's talking on "meet the press" about that. take a listen. >> i think in part we try to slice the electorate up and we try to say, you're black, you're brown, you're gay, you're straight, you're a woman, you're a man. the reality of it is there's no juice in that kind of campaign. there's no energy in that because it's divided. the key to and the magic of good
campaigns is when you pull people together. you unite them around a common theme. >> what do you think of that? >> it's impossible to disagree with that, actually. >> i thought that was one of the better articulations of the critique that i have heard. >> absolutely. but a matter of both and. there's an interesting question. as we go forward, we want to reach people that apparently we didn't reach, that we've lost in the last ten years, but we don't want to lose the people we have. when you say to me, 20% of house members come from california, i'm like well maybe they deserve to have the speaker. >> that is the base of the party. >> right. and it is a great place and doing a lot of things right. i'm not saying this is about identity politics. there is no way in which nancy pelosi is not the best person for the job. so backing tim ryan is a matter of identity politics, to be honest, for white guys. >> here's what i think ultimately -- >> well -- that's not true. i mean, listen, my congresswoman
marsha fudge is supporting congressman ryan and she's an african-american. we need to stop that. this is a robust debate and doesn't take away from all the great things that leader pelosi has done. and she's the odds on favorite, but this is an upset election year. >> you believe that people should be voting for tim ryan. it sounds like it. >> the caucus has the election. i don't really vote in that. the caucus or the dnc is really stand up for the people and let's start winning some seats. >> agreed. >> we only have five states where we control governors mansions and legislatures. we need a change. >> thank you both. that's all for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. a little late, sorry, rachel. >> you know what, chris, i've given so much extra time to the gods of karma here, you've only just started to scratch it back. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. of all the attractive and in some cases alluring governors thate