tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC November 30, 2016 12:00am-1:01am PST
>> tonight on "all in" -- >> you cannot let people die on very republican thing to say. >> donald trump's latest cabinet over obamacare and medicare. battle lines for what could be the first big fight for the trump white house. then, from his newly announced victory rallies to lashing out at reporters to threatening to revoke the citizenship of protesters, he's already abandoning efforts to unite the nation. bind the wounds of division. >> plus new concerns over sheriff david clark's place in trump's cabinet. then previewing tomorrow's big vote on democratic leadership. find common ground but to stand our ground when we can't.
>> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. trump will announce two more cabinet picks as soon as according to a top transition source. steve mnuchin, he's a wall street alum and goldman sachs alum who is expected to be named treasury secretary. while wilbur ross, a billionaire investor, is expected to be department of commerce. pledge to, quote, drain the swamp of globalists, elitists and insiders now seems to be doing his most to fill it to the brim. with mitt it's not unusual for campaign promises to fall by the way side, but with his latest nominations, particularly those related to health care, donald
trump may be in the midst of pulling off the biggest bait and switch in recent memory. >> you cannot let people die on the street. the a very republican thing to say. really, really sick and are that'ssingle payer,ake care of themselves. >> among a crowded field of 17 f people with pre-existing anything, something he reiterated time and time again, social security and medicare and medicaid, what republicans refer >> a lot of these guys, they want to cut your social security. to do things to social security
and medicaid. you've been paying into it. we're not going to do it. >> not fair, not going to do it. that position is still up there at donaldjtrump.com, why donald trump won't touch your entitlements. earlier today the trump nominations, georgia congressman tom price for director of health and human services and seema verma. being one of the few republican lawmakers to actually come up with a plan to replace obamacare. this one from congressman things would let insurers charge more
to patients with pre-existing conditions. it would give out tax credits based on age bracket. the older you are, the more you get with no adjustments for income as the ryan plan does. and price's bill would simply eliminate the medicaid a program that covers millions of people, replacing it with nothing. and as the current chairman of price has also backed ryan's plan to privatize medicare telling reporters that he expects the house to move on medicare reforms six to eight months into the trump administration. affordable care act has some the one unequivocal success of that law is it has expanded insurance coverage to about 20 million people in this country. has plummeted to an all-time low of just 10% in the first quarter for first time 90% of americans
have health care coverage. especially pronounced among low income whites without a college degree. post," the unissued rate for college educated whites fell by ten percentage points from 25% to 15%. if obamacare is repealed and congressman price's bill is same people, many of them, could lose their coverage. incoming senate minority leader signaled today, democrats aren't without a fight. >> between this nomination of an avowed medicare opponent and republicans here in washington threatening to privatize medicare? it's clear that washington republicans are plotting a war on seniors. we say to our republicans who want to privatize medicare, go try it. >> and joining me now, political
analyst howard dean, former dnc chair, also a physician, and let me start with you because i civil war brewing. price's plan or ryan's plan, would you say there's tension between the rhetoric of donald across the board, social security, medicare and medicaid which he was quick to point out, and the kind of vision of both ryan and price? >> yeah, i would say the way you summarize trump's policy point promises. obamacare. everybody. this is a guy that you note this supports universal coverage. and he said he's going to do it in a way that's less expensive, less costly than the aca. those thee policy objectives can be achieved.
there. would do that. and remember, the hhs secretary doesn't write legislation. >> right. and not just both branches of congress, particularly the senate. votes in the senate to replace the aca. say. privatization angle of this. this is something that paul ryan has wanted to do forever. it's part of the ryan budget, the dream of republican think tanks, the dream of a whole a long time. if there's one thing that there's no mandate for, it's that. donald trump specifically ran saying i'm not going to do that. reminds me of the bush social security fight in 2005. >> it is the bush social i predict this won't get out of the house. why? opponent who will call them on it. that you could get democrats to pick up more seats in 2018.
>> just a simple medicare privatization? >> yeah, this basically takes medicare away from people who people who aren't. this is insane. there's no constituency for this except among the right wing think tank people in washington. >> that's my question for you. when selling the aca, which republicans have sort of lorded over your head, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. conceptually true, in every individual instance, it was not, clearly, some people lost their doctors. take this massive change to american health care, saying if you have insurance now, you're no one can credibly make that promise. >> remember in 2010 when in the house, they passed the paul ryan medicare plan out of the house and they've done that every
single year since then. >> right. majority. it's not obvious to me that there's this huge april price for passing the ryan plan out of the house. bill and another thing when that bill becomes law. >> so there's a very big have spent eight years criticizing democrats' health care policy initiatives, criticizing the affordable care will, i will imagine, own it entirely. important point about the paul medicare for anybody over the age of 55. of the plan, so to speak. your interpretation. >> by the time we get through >> by the time we get through with it, people over 65 will think it will be attacking them. >> yeah. to explain this. >> i like governor dean announcing exactly how --
>> exactly what we're going to do. your old weekend show in 2012 when mitt romney picked paul ryan as his running mate and rachel maddow was sitting next so awesome. the democrats will be able to torch romney with seniors. he did better with seniors than any other age group. >> but it's interesting to hear you say that. because here's what my theory of the case here. primary because he rejected a whole bunch of orthodoxy on smaller government, on entitlements, on sort of free markets and how free markets operate. ran as this big government quasiauthoritarian. turned out the republican base liked that. they don't want medicare cut, they don't want it privatized. now the entire institutional nature of the think tank world and all the wonks are from the price/ryan/avik school. they'll get a chance to try that
out even though as governor dean says there's no actual political constituency for that. i think there is a political constituency for it. i'm looking forward to i'm right about the mandate or reform. >> here's what i'm not looking forward to, is a bunch of people are poor, struggling and have the sort of we'll have a way of looking at that. because in kentucky they have a basically busy stripping his own constituents, the modest income constituents, the modest income white voters of their medicaid. they had the best rollout of the aca under steve brashear in the country, the best
implementation, the current it. price they pay. >> to me, the bigger thing her't whichever way that disruption moves in my ideological direction. disrupt in some way. >> the plan we're talking about before, the plan at our foundation which is called transcending obamacare, that plan is exactly to your point. as possible at modernizing medicare and medicaid and the legacy health care system, people. to your point that you made emphasize this, donald trump in the very first presidential
debate he was asked by one of the moderato do. and he still won. >> yes. republicans who say we don't want to cover as many people as the aca, they won't hold sway. it will be donald trump's that will matter. >> you won't get anything done in health care or coverage unless you get rid of fee for service medicine. >> tom price is not on the side of that. do it first, which is i think which will do this with the they have to. >> thanks, buddy. >> from suggesting flag burners should lose their citizenship to getting distracted from his, quote, bind the wounds of division. it was 3:00 in the morning on election night. he gets a lot of compliments.
he wears his army hat, walks around with his army shirt looking all nice. and then people just say, "thank you for serving our country" and i'm like, that's my dad. male vo: no one deserves a warmer welcome home. that's why we're hiring 10,000 members of the military community by the end of 2017. i'm very proud of him. male vo: comcast. now it's time for america to bind the wounds of division.
we have to get together. to all republicans and democrats nation, i say it is time for us to come together as one united people. >> tonight there are more signs that donald trump is losing that kumbaya spirit from election night or election day after morning. not to forget the forgotten men and women. tweet of a 16-year-old reporter reporter. a self-described 16-year-old oakland raiders fan, pathetic. you have no sufficient evidence that donald trump did not suffer but as@filibuster himself hastened to point out, it did reporter. cnn is blaming me for calling jeff zeleny a bad reporter. donald trump added that to the end of the tweet, not me, thank you.
suggesting consequences for flag burners. year in jail. those are wildly divergent penalties. there was speculation that it design to distract the public from the growing concerns about trump's conflicts of interest or his pick for hhs secretary. the real reason appears to be far more mundane, that trump saw a story on fox news about students who allegedly burned a flag. timing of trump's tweet lines up with fox segment at 6:25 a.m. on students burning the flag. meanwhile, he's about to embark on a thank you tour of the states that he won. tour. here's what i find fascinating, when democrats win, there's immediately this sort of call
that they have to reach across that in 2012 after the whole republican autopsy. anymore, latinos by the margins and still win election. got the biggest loss in the popular vote since rutherford b. hayes and there's no sense that he's reaching out and no pressure to do so. look, the whole idea of mandates i've always found to be really worthless. >> you hear a lot about >> you hear a lot about mandates. there never was. no one has ever been constrained that way. it is really baked into the cake. >> as to who the politicians are. this tweet after watching a fox telling thing about this. i don't think there's any strategy.
of i'm not healing the country, i am healing the country. i just get the sense that, honestly, like the transition is moving forward. shadow -- not shadow, a whole government that's sitting and waiting. tweet, then he gets allowed to tweet. there. doing, i don't think there's any grand plan. and him sort of like, well, as long as he stays out on the porch -- the famous wedge issue memo patrick buchanan wrote nixon back in the '60s. we cleaved the country in half but we get the bigger half. in numerical sense it's not the bigger half. but donald trump knows he has a real, intense, emotional intuitive appeal to his hard core supporters and those are
going to be the people this entire presidency will revolve around, rhetorically, in terms of issues he pushes. that's 100% clear to me. >> he's caught in this media bubble that we're all part of to a certain extent. that's where he's going from. and i think that's what's driving him. i'm not even sure it's as he's a that and there's a lot of people out there that want to consume that. a mandate happening right now at the popular jean george restaurant, three michelin stars here in new york. that's trump and mitt romney and reince priebus playing the third wheel. it's totally bizarre. these are rich people eating at a very nice restaurant. the romney subplot here, which right? do you move beyond your base because this is the guy that
standardbearer for never-trump republicanism. what is your interpretation of with respect to that? >> my sense is -- and this really has nothing to do with >> no, it's all personality. >> there is an entire apparatus around donald trump that has absolutely no experience in government. >> yep. people walking into the white >> yep. >> zero experience. number of those people the last thing i'd want is someone to of an understanding of the way government works. >> or would you want that more than anything? >> you and i would want that. >> and there are people who understand you want to surround yourself with more experience inexperienced, you want to wreak
havoc, which i'm not convinced, if i'm reading stuff that bannon has said, that he doesn't want a lot of that. grown uppish. >> right, right. >> mitt romney is not my -- they perceive him that way. >> sam seder, thank you. sheriff david clark donald trump's possible pick for leader of homeland security who is facing questions for four recent ty.
simply fire their workers and move their operations to mexico, build new plants, make their product and sell it back into this country. guess what? anymore. look, if you move, we are going to charge you 35% every time you think you're going to sell it back into our country. okay? conditioning unit, carrier, who left indianapolis, every time unit and you think you're going to sell it into our country tax free, not going to happen anymore. 35% tax. 35% tax. happen? when they hear that, they're not leaving, folks. >> the a favorite cause of trump, the carrier plant in indianapolis, where it told its workers they were up and moving production to mexico.
way to stay competitive and protect the business for long term is to move production from our facility at indianapolis to monterrey, mexico. >> the move would eliminate 1400 jobs at least in indianapolis over a three-year time table. there's also another factory nearby. workers said they hoped that skeptical. through, i'm assuming that would be a euphoric day for everyone at carrier. if he can come here and save these 1400 jobs here tomorrow, i'll gladly vote for him again if he's up for re-election. but i'm very hopeful that he can come through on these things he >> tonight cnbc news said trump is heading to indianapolis this
would apparently save 1,000 jobs. pleased to reach a deal with president-elect trump and, this close to 1,000 jobs in indy. they had been working on inducements to keep carrier there. the actual difls the deal which is a combination one imagines of carrots more than sticks, exactly what carrot was promised unclear. include new inducements from state. indiana governor pence. inducements were made. milwaukee jail in july. saying the jail staff ignored a
30-year-old woman who was almost nine months pregnant is seeking damages. her lawyer wrote in the notice of claims that she told a corrections officer her water labor. her. officer she was going into labor around midnight, gave birth around 4:00 a.m. and finally received attention from officers at 6:00 a.m. later that day. that former inmate's claim is against the milwaukee county sheriff's office which has sin
inform jail staff that she was going into labor and the baby is stillborn. it is run by sheriff david clark. he may be familiar to you from frequent fox news appearances, his turn at a speaker at the republican national convention. he made an appearance at trump tower where he met with the president-elect and is reportedly under consideration department of homeland security. their office would have no further comment on the newborn's death, but that's not the only death that's occurred in the jail system that mr. clark runs. another inmate died of profound dehydration according to the milwaukee county medical for water in the days before he died. clark's office said it would not all investigations and possible lawsuits have ended. other inmates have died at the jail.
two cases. consideration to run part of the federal government, we thought his record well. joining me wisconsin state representing milwaukee. representative barnes, what is performance in his role as the opposed to his role as a provocateur and talking head? >> well, that's about all he is, is a provocateur and talking head. he's shown nothing but a culture mach county sheriff, political ambitions above the needs of the people of milwaukee county. neglect to protect president barack obama when he was in milwaukee a few years back, yet he's parading around with donald trump, made sure he made it to
the republican national political speeches and travel than he does, actually, working as sheriff of milwaukee county. months. for over $400,000 in lawsuits. we're looking at potentially millions more if these four deaths are settled. >> we're quoting journal sentinel reporting and i have sources and friends in milwaukee reputation there. how much this is an issue, is a scandal there. obviously, they deny that the charges of the woman who is suing, but a newborn dead in a jail is no small thing. >> right. and so this is sheriff clark not performing his duties. this is his staff under his supervision. imagine if he's the head of trouble that spells for people across the entire united states. it should be very frightening for a lot of people who only hear sheriff david clark but >>
we should make a point the department of homeland security is the entity that runs huge facilities that detain and incarcerate thousands, hundreds of thousands at times immigrants, sometimes families. there's been huge abuses. a lot of that's privatized even human rights groups have raised concerns. duties of sheriff clark were he to take that position. >> and one thing that a lot of people can identify with is travel. how frustrating travel already is. gets into that post what we'll be facing as average americans. >> does he have a future in milwaukee county politics or in wisconsin politics or has he become a kind of national figure? rare to sea public official spend as much time on cable news as he does. >> well, he's made his career milwaukee county. we know he's not a democrat.
it's very unfortunate for the person who goes to the ballot and just seeing democrat and checks democrat or in people who that he has black interests at heart and support him. happening over the past several years over the past few elections. future in milwaukee county at this point simply because his head is swollen to big his platform has become that much greater with the conservative right. he's their guy. he hasn't been milwaukee county's guy for a long time. i'm glad someone else can take ownership of him. controversial things. he's talked about our institutions of government and bitch. pitchfork and torches time. >> he said black lives matter will join forces with isis to bring down our legally constituted republic. this is someone who oversees a presumably has to provide forth.
>> someone should have to assume security director would be with potentially be detained and their rights. he's not a person who even abides by the constitution. he's not a person who i consider to be serious law enforcement a right wing talking head. it stops there. representative. coming up, is jason chaffetz as interested in investigating trump as he was for the possible clinton presidency? we thought we'd ask him about that.
top of the ticket and their running mates. >> are you following the political season? >> more or less, yes. >> would you like to meet senator tim kaine? >> yes. >> senator kaine. >> hello so nice to meet you. please vote for me in november. >> does he look exactly the way you thought he would look? >> more or less, i guess. i was picturing a white guy, and i'm not disappointed. >> i am a white guy. >> mike pence also struggled to get his name out there, including this moment after a 37-minute haircut and chat. >> your name? >> mike pence. i'm the governor of the state of indiana, running for vice president of the united states. >> go ahead, man. oh, whoa. oh, whoa. vice president? >> yes. sir. vice president?
kellyanne conway is the star of the moment having jumped ship from a ted cruz super pac. changing her twitter to simply, we won. today she walked into trump tower, someone even asked her for a selfie. but who is that guy standing a few steps away from her, watching and waiting? oh, that's just dan quayle, you know, america's 44th vice president who served under george w. bush and a man who is best remembered for misspelling potato in an elementary school classroom. >> how about on the end? you're right phonetically. but put a little -- there it is.
>> even the press pool didn't initially recognize dan quayle but he later offered a statement about his meeting with donald trump. >> he's moving forward and is going to make america great again. >> can you tell us exactly -- >> what did you think about the bush family not supporting mr. trump? >> i supported mr. trump. >> as did vice president cheney, the two vice presidents. >> there you have it. james danforth quayle, he is sure about trump.
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it's a target-rich environment, chaffetz told "the washington post." even before we get to day one we've got two years worth of material already lined up. he held to that stance even after the election when clinton became another american citizen. he insists he still has a duty and obligation to get to the truth about clinton's tenure at the state department. >> we would be remiss if we just dismissed it and moved on. we have a lot of things we have to fix so it never, ever happens again. >> you're saying that investigation continues? >> oh, absolutely. i'd be derelict from my duty if i let it go. >> the truth is that clinton's law threw a wrench into chaffetz's plans. he still has plenty to do. thanks to his refusal to liquidate his business holdings or at the very least place them in an actual blind trust, donald trump is poised to enter the
white house with unprecedented conflicts of interest. indeed constitutional scholars warning that because he's poised to personally profit from the presidency he may be committing a clear impeachable offense on his first day in office. democrats are appealing to them to play fair. representative elijah cummings and his colleagues sending chaffetz a pair of letters asking him to take the obvious step and investigate trump's conflicts. how did chaffetz respond? didn't. silence. we got the same answer. twice today we asked him to make a statement, they turned us down. he did appear on fox news where he mocked democrats' call for action. >> give him a chance. he hasn't even been sworn in yet. it's hard to criticize him or suggest an investigation by congress when the guy hasn't been sworn in yet. >> hasn't been sworn in yet. kevin mccarthy embarrassed his party last year when he suggested that the benghazi committee was in reality a
partisan effort to damage hillary clinton. for some reason i can't figure out why mccarthy no longer thinks those sorts of investigations are such a good idea. telling reporters, quote, i think it's been a bad thing, it's harmed the ability for people all to work together. here's the short answer for what republicans in congress will do barring a massive story they simply can't ignore about trump's conflicts of interest and possible corruption -- absolutely nothing. the effort to hold trump accountable will be left almost entirely to democrats which is why tomorrow's house leadership election is so important and we'll break that down right after this.
house democrats will vote tomorrow on who will lead them. with tim ryan challenging 76-year-old californian nancy pelosi who has led the house democrats since 2003. pelosi beat back a similar challenge from keith schuller way back in 2010. she says she has two-thirds of the votes locked up. today she got the backing of ellison. ryan argues he would offer a more robust economic challenge that would better appeal to the working class rust belt voters who backed trump in the election. he said he still has a shot at beating pelosi. >> we're within striking distance. a lot of people are going to be surprised on wednesday.
does she have support of two-thirds of the caucus in your view? >> i think that's a little inflated, but you know, we're going to see. >> joining me now, political analyst joan walsh and nina turner former democratic ohio state senator. joan, let me start with you. you know, look, nancy pelosi was an incredible speaker just in this sort of not ideological but how she ran her caucus. she delivered vote after vote. >> best ever. >> incredible at delivering hard votes. i don't think she's really threatened here. >> right. >> tim ryan has kind of a point? >> and what is it? >> that the party could use leadership not from california? >> i agree. >> basically. like one-fifth of the house democratic caucus is from california which god knows i love california, but it is a little bit of the issue with the party right now. >> theoretically. but my challenge to tim ryan would be, you know, hillary clinton didn't carry your district.
what did you do to help her? while you've been in congress, youngstown has gotten increasingly more republican. the notion that he has a secret plan to bring democratic party back in the so-called rust belt, ryan doesn't want us to call it that anymore, so i'll stop. i don't see it. an incredibly terrible thing to lose nancy pelosi, and it won't happen at a time like this. democrats are playing strategic defense right now. i believe that she knows how to do that better than anybody else. >> from a parliamentary -- >> right. >> perspective. nina, it's interesting to me that the dnc fight has gotten a lot of attention because it feels like a proxy continuation of a lot of the primary, right? there's this sort of sanders wing, clinton wing, the white house wing. and this has gotten a little less attention because it's less contested. keith ellison, who is a sanders backer, endorsed nancy pelosi. you're from ohio. where do you kind of come down
on this? >> i come down with the people, where i've always been. certainly i do agree with joan in the sense that leader pelosi has been a good leader. she was a great speaker of the house. but this comes down to -- this is an upset election year. and to blame congressman ryan for secretary clinton's loss in ohio is ludicrous. >> i didn't do that, nina, i would never do that. >> no, you did. you said that he couldn't even carry his own district. >> i raise the question. it's a point. >> -- won 70% of the votes in 30 counties in the state of ohio. this was just an upset election year. but the bigger point is what do democrats want to do moving forward? we got beat like a drum in november, and this didn't just start happening. this started happening in 2010. so we have a lot of ground to make up. we have to determine what type of party we are going to be and who we are standing for. leader pelosi is the odds-on favorite, but let us not forget this is a secret ballot, chris.
so folks can say whatever they want in public, but they can vote in secret without retribution. >> that's true. so the point you make, to me, the deeper problem here is this geographic problem. >> right. >> you've got this crazy situation. we've all seen the math, we've seen a democratic party that's been eviscerated in the obama era and still delivered a plus 2 million vote national margin to hillary clinton but that is -- i don't know the way out of that is threw a leadership fight, but that does seem to be the central problem the democratic party faces right now. >> that's why i'm more invested in the dnc fight where i think there's -- there are a bunch of great candidates. i love keith ellison. i'm just not even going to go there. but i'd love to see a debate. i want people to put on the table their plans for rebuilding the democratic party in these places where we've let it wither and where people only come out every four years and try to organize but the people who are -- but the party as an institution is gone.
>> does the leadership fight, does who is the face of the party do you think, nina, when you think about those counties in ohio and ohio, i mean, hillary clinton lost badly in ohio. >> she did. >> it was a shellacking. >> yes. do you think that matters in that? it does seem to be the dnc fight and this bottom-up approach is the key. but does even the face of the party matter that much for your state? >> it matters not just for my state, but it just matters to the americans that we have lost. i mean, based on our party and our party proposition, our platform and all of that stuff where people can't pay mortgages or send their kids to college, but we do have the ideas that should resonate with most of people. what we have to do is make that connection and we have to decide what type of leaders fit this moment. and that doesn't mean that leaders that are there now or leaders that have been there in the past have done a bad job, but we do have to do some real self-assessment and shake things up. we cannot limit the debate as we did in the presidential election. that cannot happen.
>> there's all this talk about identity politics, something that a lot of people have been talking about in a variety of places, tim ryan's talking on "meet the press" about that. take a listen. >> i think in part we try to slice the electorate up and we try to say, you're black, you're brown, you're gay, you're straight, you're a woman, you're a man. the reality of it is there's no juice in that kind of campaign. there's no energy in that because it's divided. the key to and the magic of good campaigns is when you pull people together. you unite them around a common theme. >> what do you think of that? >> it's impossible to disagree with that, actually. >> i thought that was one of the better articulations of the critique that i have heard. >> absolutely. but a matter of both and. there's an interesting question. as we go forward, we want to reach people that apparently we didn't reach, that we've lost in the last ten years, but we don't want to lose the people we have. when you say to me, 20% of house members come from california,
i'm like well maybe they deserve to have the speaker. >> that is the base of the party. >> right. and it is a great place and doing a lot of things right. i'm not saying this is about identity politics. there is no way in which nancy pelosi is not the best person for the job. so backing tim ryan is a matter of identity politics, to be honest, for white guys. >> here's what i think ultimately -- >> well -- that's not true. i mean, listen, my congresswoman marsha fudge is supporting congressman ryan and she's an african-american. we need to stop that. this is a robust debate and doesn't take away from all the great things that leader pelosi has done. and she's the odds on favorite, but this is an upset election year. >> you believe that people should be voting for tim ryan. it sounds like it. >> the caucus has the election. i don't really vote in that. the caucus or the dnc is really stand up for the people and let's start winning some seats. >> agreed.
>> we only have five states where we control governors mansions and legislatures. we need a change. >> thank you both. that's all for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. a little late, sorry, rachel. >> you know what, chris, i've given so much extra time to the gods of karma here, you've only just started to scratch it back. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. of all the attractive and in some cases alluring governors that we have in these 50 fine states in our country -- and honestly, they're an unusually handsome bunch of governors in this country. of all the governors we've got in this country, you would not necessarily expect that the one governor of all the 50, the one governor who would be living through a raging sex scandal right now complete with sex tapes you wouldn't expect that the one with the sex scandal would be this handsome devil. but he is the governor of alabama. and his ongoing lurid sex