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taken care of, and doing the best job we can, given the fact that the laws actually are very vague and don't contemplate this scenario. >> and full plate. dinner with mitt romney at a three-star trump tower restaurant, as trump chooses fellow billionaires for treasuries of commerce and keeps the guessing going over secretary of state. >> i'm impressed by what i've seen in the transition effort. the people he's selected as members of his cabinet are solid, effective, capable people. . >> good day! i'm andrea mitchell in washington. we are following a lot of breaking news. first, charlotte, north carolina, where prosecutors just announced that no charges will be filed against the police officer who fatally shot 43-year-old keith lamont scott back in september. that shooting, which was captured on cell phone video, recorded ly scott's wife, sparked protests and riots in
charlotte. days after the shooting, police released portions of body cam and dash cam footage, and a photo of the country that police say scott was holding when he was killed. prosecutors say the officer acted lawfully when he shot and killed scott outside his apartment. nbc's gabe gutierrez has been covering the story from the beginning and joins me now by phone. gabe, this very controversial -- the prosecutor's information today in sharp contrast to what the family was claiming. >> yeah, certainly, andrea. and sharp contradiction to what the family was saying, what keith lamont scott's wife had said from the get-go. and also, what witnesses at the scene had initially told reporters and had told police. but as you mentioned, the district attorney today, just a few moments ago, announcing his conclusion that officer brentley vinson acted lawfully in his use of deadly force. and he also had a message for the community, urging calm. again, the charlotte police is on alert following this decision. officers there are working
12-hour shifts, just in case any violent demonstrations were to break out. but as you mentioned, andrea, this was an extremely controversial case. two nights of rioting followed the shooting. and several more days of peaceful protests, throughout the city of charlotte. but several main points that the district attorney refuted that initial information that had come out. one, he said that contrary to what the family attorney had said and what several witnesses at the scene had said, the district attorney said that keith lamont scott was armed. there was initially some question about that, because even the body cam footage and the dash cam footing an that was released, you can make out an object, it was unclear whether it was a gun. the district attorney now saying that definitively, yes, it was. he also said upon further questioning, a few of the witnesses had said that perhaps keith lamont scott was shot by a white officer. he specifically said that the -- the district attorney did, that that was incorrect, and he also
said that according to text messages, a month before the shooting, that rakeyia scott, keith lamont scott's wife had been in an argument with him, and that target included references to a gun. so this is an investigation that was kicked up to the state bureau of investigation. the district attorney now urging folks not to jump to conclusions until we have all the facts, but as you mentioned, this was a very controversial case, because initially, local police had not released all that video. they released portions of the dash cam footage and the body cam footage, and now there's some questions, as well, about whether the police officers involved in this actually followed policy. the officer, brentley vinson, his body cam was not armed. other plains clothed officers, their body cameras was on. but even on one of them, it wasn't turned on until after the
shooting. and there was a 20 to 30-second buffer that allowed us to see some of what happened beforehand. but i know the family attorney had questioned whether the department actually followed policy. but andrea, this is a highly anticipated announcement from the district attorney. and again, local officials there are urging calm following this announcement, andrea. >> thanks so much, gabe. and our chief legal correspondent, ari melber, joins me now. a ari, let's talk about the legal issues here. first of all, any resource for the family, mr. scott's family, friends, and supporters? i guess a civil case, a civil rights case, if they wanted to, through the justice department, but, do they have anything -- any resource to produce their issues? >> yes, andrea. a civil case is possible. that would be for wrongful death or depravation of civil rights under law. those are the kind of federal claims this kind of case obviously had a different standard, a higher standard for
a criminal prosecution than a civil one. so while it doesn't rule it out, it certainly doesn't help. it might make it harder, it puts out information, evidence, and findings that basically back up the police's version of events or what the d.a. called today a lawful use of deadly force. the gun was the key here, because there was, as gabe mentioned, skepticism about that in the community, but the d.a. did present a lot of evidence that the gun existed before. that's why they showed that convenience store footage, basically saying, mr. scott had what appeared to be a holster and was walking around with the gun, that he had it drawn, and then a colt .380 was recovered on the scene. i would say that frankly overwhelming video and physical evidence of the gun. part ii of the question is, well, was the question being drawn, raised, or used in a manner that justifies deadly force? that certainly was a closer call. what's new today is the d.a. saying, they did find that to be the case. those many yells by the officers to drop the gun, which we've
played at the time, with the various videos that emerge, also back that up. having said that, i will reinforce what so many, what so many experts, andrea, have told us about this case, which is whether or not this was a crime. the d.a. saying today, he doesn't think it was. this type of thing, you see it on the video here, the approaching of the car, multiple officers converging on a scene that prior to their presence did not look like a violent scene. it was an individual sitting alone in a car, looked like an escalation that was unnecessary. looked like not ideal police work, to say the least. but again, that doesn't mean, in this case, according to the d.a., that the officers did anything criminal. >> and that gets you to a question that underlies many of these cases, where you can't reach a finding that there's just cause or probable cause to prosecute, i should say. police training. it's something that we heard a lot of from eric holder after ferguson. that training is so important,
where police have justifiable fears for their own safety, but when is it appropriate to bring in so much force? when is it appropriate to surround a vehicle, which did not seem, aside from the broken taillight, to indicate anything untoward? >> right, and that's something we hear from officers. and i would add to your list under that umbrella of training, what about training to deal with instances where there may be a mental, physical disability among the target population or the potential suspect? in this case, we know that that is a fact. now, his wife was nearby, yelling that, that it was a chaotic scenario. we don't have any reason to believe that the police could process that information, that he had the brain injury while this was happening. reports last year from the rudderman family foundation determined that over 35% of police shootings involve people with disabilities. that is just a heartbreaking
statistic, that goes to training, because i think it is fair to say, most officers obviously do not want to be shooting or killing people with disabilities over miscommunications. yet, they are in the difficult position of not knowing why someone is acting erratically. erratic doesn't necessarily mean threatening. it can be misinterpreted that way. that was only a piece of this. but a lot here to work on. but the news today, the dach.a. finding no criminal intent on the part of the officer in the police shooting death of the keith lamont scott. >> and the family now saying, the presence of a gun, whether or not they were aware of it, the presence of a gun should not have led to his death. so the family is not assuaged by these findings at all. thank you so much. these are difficult cases on all sides. >> thank you. >> thanks to ari, thanks to gabe gutierr gutierrez. now we have breaking news on capitol hill. nancy pelosi staving off an
advectii insurrection to be house democratic leader. this in the aftermath of the election defeats. msnbc's political correspondent, kasie hunt joins me now. kasie, you've just been at a tim ryan news conference reacting to the fact that he had one third of the caucus behind him, but she had two-thirds. but it was stronger than anticipated challenge by the ohio congressman. >> reporter: it was, andrea. and i think it reflects the level of discontent that really is on display with democrats here in washington, who are really wrestling with how to move forward after this stunning, in their view, election loss of hillary clinton, as well as, you know, additional seats in the house and senate to republicans. and tim ryan made this pitch, saying, hey, we can't just be the party of the coast. we can't just be the party of elites. we have to be the kind of party that can walk into a union hall, into a fish fry, and talk to
people. and i think there was a real response to that from a lot of the democrats here. i think some of this was also discontent with nancy pelosi and the way she has dealt with the various pieces of the democratic coalition. it really is a coalition, congressional hispanic caucus, congressional black caucus, other groups within the caucus that she has been effective in uniting in the past. i think you saw some cracks here. now, the challenge and the problem, i think, is that i was just -- we just talked a little bit to tim ryan as he came to microphones around the corner, after this election, i asked him, who is the future of the democratic party. and he doesn't have an answer for that. and i asked him, is nancy pelosi the future. and she said, yes, well, perhaps. but the reality is, that is the challenge that is going to confront democrats over the course of the next four years. with the clintons off the stage, at this point, and with it not clear that there is young, vibrant leadership in the party here in washington, where is the next leader, the next set of presidential candidates going to
come from? and i think that's a big part of what democrats are wrestling with here, because nancy pelosi has been in charge of thi caucus for so long, andrea. >> thanks so much to kasie hunt. we should point out that steny hoyer will remain as the democratic -- the number two in the democratic party. president-elect trump tweets today that he will take steps to avoid conflicts of interest after multiple reports of controversial post-election contacts with foreign investors. and a deadline today to clear up contract provisions for his new washington, d.c., hotel. this as his reality tv-style competition for secretary of state continues. last night at a fancy french restaurant with mitt romney accompanied by incoming chief of staff, reince priebus, fueling speculation that the former adversaries, perhaps, can coexist. >> would you say that donald trump and mitt romney have a comfort level personally that would allow him to hold a position in the administration? >> well, i think so. i mean, i think it's getting to that point. but, i would just caution that,
you know, i don't think anything's imminent at this point. but, certainly, what the people need to see, though, is pl president-elect trump saying, i'm going to talk to the best people in america and make the best decision i can. >> joining me now is kristen welker and senior economics reporter, steve liesman. steve, i want to ask you about how he can dis, entangle these hard assets, the real estate assets. let's go to kristen for a moment and talk about the cabinet choices he's making, as well. look, the controversy over secretary of state continues. and we know now he's going to see general kelly today. so that's one other possible choice. you see bob corker, mitt romney twice that we know of plus conversations on the phone. lying in the wings, rudy giuliani campaigning ining act actively for the post. but put together the steam,
steve mnuchin, goldman executive, at one point a partner, but then moving to hollywood. not a well-known name on wall street. more on that in a moment. wilbur ross, billionaire investor, as commerce secretary. what do we see in these kinds of choices? >> whas interesting is, they're getting criticized because, of course, president-elect trump's big promise on the campaign trail was to drain the swamp. and the question becomes, is this draining the swamp? he has chosen billionaires, people who are entrenched, wilbur ross known as the king of bankruptcy. steve mnuchin, you just talked about all of his wall street ties, and the work that he has done on wall street, the fact that he went out to hollywood. so there's some real eyebrow raising about these picks. i talked to some of his senior administration officials and transition officials earlier today, and asked about this. and said, is this draining the swamp? and the pushback on that is, look, these are people, in their words, who are winners. these are people who are going to carry out the president-elect's vision of economic populism.
they know how to cut taxes for middle class americans. they know how to deliver on more jobs. and that promise that president-elect trump made when he was out on the campaign trail. so i think that the bar is going to be very high in that regard. there's going to be a lot of scrutiny, but that is the pushback. to your point about secretary of state, we were told he's narrowed it down to four choices now. transition officials wouldn't say what those four choices are, but they said, rudy giuliani, clearly. and mitt romney. and as you just heard talking about on "morning joe" earlier today, there was a sense that the chemistry is getting better between the two. but, of course, rudy giuliani had been a favorite for a long time. and i'm told, it's still very much a process. he is still trying to make this decision, which is going to be so critical. >> we know of five people he's interviewed, so it's interesting to see who the fourth would be. it's giuliani, romney, and -- >> corker is being considered very seriously. he has advised president-elect trump when he was a candidate. so all of those are under
consideration. >> now, steve liesman, let's drill down on steve mnuchin and wilbur ross both were on cnbc today. let's talk about mnuchin first as treasury secretary. if you had to look at the universe of people, like a bob ruben, hank paulison, tim geithner, men from wall street who successfully dealt with crises and could deal with the heads of the various big investment banks, steve mnuchin that guy? >> you know, it's a good question, andrea. i would say that initially, i don't know that any one of these people who became well known and did well in their jobs, it was obvious ahead of time that they would be so successful or do quite as well as they did. i think what's important here from the get-go is that steve mnuchin is a close confidant of the president-elect. i think that's probably ciritera number one for being a successful treasury secretary, especially if economic policy making is going to remain inside the treasury and not get
transferred over inside the white house. so, steve mnuchin understands financial markets, i'd say. i would say he understands the economy. he has ideas about economic growth that aren't far from those of the president-elect. so i would suggest in that context, he's probably a pretty good choice. >> and what about this carrier deal? where, you know, donald trump today is taking credit for saving jobs in indiana. are those jobs that could have been saved otherwise? how appropriate is it to have federal pressure? we've seen, you know, state governments make deals, new york and other, you know, governors have done that to keep industries in the state. what is the appropriateness of what is about to be announced by carrier? >> there are times i can remember "the wall street journal" editorial page rallying against this kind of, i guess you could call it, retail economic policy. it's not the way that you want to make economic policy. what you want to do is set conditions for the whole country, and certainly not have
the president involved in each thousand job. remember, you know, you might create something like a couple million jobs a year. if the president has to negotiate each, you know, thousand bucket of jobs, then he's going to be very busy. there are big issues about the corporate taxes that are out there. there are big issues about how capital gains are treated, that thing the trump administration wants to address, as well as offering perhaps some more business-friendly environment. so these are things that are going to be more a broader policy. we don't know what was offered, but if donald trump is going to run this as a kind of retail economic policy, it will be very interesting to cover. >> and, you know, interesting, if you look at the data points, donald trump is inheriting a economy that is in such better shape than what barack obama inherited, the wreckage that he inherited in '08 and '09, so it's a really interesting contrast. there were certain advantages on the ground, fundamentals. let's talk for a moment, steve, about his tweet today, that
he'll be holding a major news conference december 15th in new york with his children. hasn't had a news conference in months and months. in order, he tweeted, to fully focus on running the country, in order to make america great again, while i am not mandated to do this under the law, i feel it is visually important as president to in no way have a conflict of interest with my various businesses. so he's tweeting he'll be separating himself and leaving my great business totally in order to fully focus on running the country. first of all, can he really separate himself from his brand? they can't logically sell off their real estate assets in that amount of time. so it is a real estate business -- >> and they're not talking about selling them off, right? >> and you can't really have a blind trust. he's not required to, but you can't have a blind trust with your kids running it, nor a blind trust where he knows the value of his businesses. he knows what he's got. that's hardly blind. just one other footnote, president obama put everything in treasury bills, which is the least performing certainly in the last few years, the
least-performing asset, to avoid any appearance that he was enriching himself as actions he might take as president. steve? >> so there's no way he cannot know that he has a hotel or a golf course in such and such a place. and i think the idea of a blind trust doesn't work. look, we've never been in a situation like this. a person who is a real estate developer probably shouldn't be precluded from being president, but he has to take, in my opinion, extraordinary actions to not appear to be conflicted. i think that would include making his schedule available when he meets with people, making the press more available to these meetings. i think we found out about a bunch of these meetings by accident or not intentionally. and what was said at these meetings. so i don't know that it's going to be possible, but, you know, andrea, i guess the question on the table is, how much do the american people care about this and i think his point is interesting and worth considering that you knew what i was before you elected me. you elected me nonetheless. that doesn't make it right, but
it's sthirnlg to consider in figuring out how far he should tactfully go in this regard. >> bru you made the point, if he has news conferences or will have and if he accepts press coverage. >> pool coverage. >> which has been routine for 40 years, that we can recall -- >> and releases taxes, andrea, any might add. >> releases taxes would be the number one. and also says, i'm talking to the argentinians about such and such miami talking to the japanese. i've talked to my turkish partners. they came here on election night. i talked to farage in uk about the wind farms near my golf course. if he were to say that, kristen, then we would know, this is what you're getting. >> so that's the crux, i think of what needs to happen. because we are learning about things, some of his meetings, after the fact. >> from the -- >> we're learning about attendees after the fact. you remember, he had that meeting with ivanka in the room and the prime minister of japan. and that is the type of incident
that creates potential conflicts, particularly if he does hand his business over t z his children, by the way. we need to know exactly who's in these meetings, when are they taking place? what are they discussing? so i think we will certainly be vigilant about that, and there's going to be pressure on him to agree to those terms. >> skpand as steve said, kriste we're in unchartered territory. always great to see you. >> thanks, andrea, you too. >> coming up, a live look of what is left of a fire station that was destroyed by a tornado in polk county, tennessee. we'll go live there next ton drich drch reports. stay with us. joy. so why are you still putting up with complicated cash back cards? some cards limit where you earn bonus cash back to places they choose... then they change those places every few months. quicksilver keeps it simple. with quicksilver you always earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere.
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the resort towns of gatlinburg and pigeon forge. four people are now confirmed dead. 14 others are injured. multiple fires scorched nearly 15,000 acres, damaging more than 100 buildings, forcing more than 14,000 people to flee. what sparked the fire remains a mystery, but officials have not ruled out arson. >> and some more severe weather slamming the south overnight. rescue efforts are underway after a line of storms ripped across parts of the southeast, killing five people. two people are confirmed dead in polk county, tennessee, where the storms leveled homes and businesses. in alabama, a tornado killed three people living in a trailer home in jackson county. mariana atenzio joins me now from the polk county, tennessee, fire station which was destroyed in a tornado. m mariana, it's a devastating, devastating scene there behind you. tell us what's going on. >> reporter: that's right, andrea, just look at this fire station, it's completely
destroyed, just ravaged by those tornadoes that pounded the southern part of tennessee overnight. these tornados is very deadly, as you mentioned. there are two confirmed deaths. i just spoke to the fire chief here in polk county, and he told me those two fatalities happened in that group of houses behind me. so behind those railroad tracks that you see there, the houses the there just completely obliterated. just lifted the from their foundations. as you can see, there are fire crews behind me. and i'm just going to go around, because there are just power lines that are down here. and they are trying to clean this debris up, so they can get their truck out and really start helping people. there was a storm that passed through here this morning and that has made really the assessment of the injured and just these fire crews going on rescue missions very difficult and challenging. and as you said, this state just really hit by those wildfires and now here in the southern part by these deadly tornadoes. andrea? >> mariana, please be careful with those power lines down.
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candidate donald trump famously said that he knew more than the generals. well, now, as the president-elect, he seems to be hiring a lot of them. his national security adviser is retired general michael flynn. his likely defense secretary, retired general jam mattis. today he's interviewing rired general john kelly for secretary of state. and of course earlier this week interviewed retired general david petraeus. one of the risks and rewards for turning to the military for so many key posts, william cohn who served under president-elect, former member of the armed services committee, you know the
area well. the rule of civilian rule of the pentagon, you're supposed to be out of the military for seven years. they would have to get a waiver for mattis. what are the benefits? >> you have civilian control over the military, so you want to make sure that person who occupies the position, number two in the chain of command, not the chairman of the joint chiefs, not the vice president, but the secretary of defense. you want someone who will give you straight advice. a recommendation coming from the military, but having to pass through the judgment of that secretary of defense to the president. so you want some separation, a military man, not always the case. general marshall secretary of defense and secretary of state, and he wasn't out seven years. it depends on the individual. i like general mattis, i know him very well. he's a very serious warrior, but
also a serious scholar. i would have total confidence in his judgment being secretary of defense. but that's an issue that the president-elect will have to decide in congress. but i think he's very qualified, as are the individuals mentioned. >> what about david petraeus? there is a mixed record. highly regarded foreign policy and military expert. he does have this issue of the classification, he pleaded guilty on related charges. >> it would be an issue for congress to say, is this a double standard. after all, you pilloried hillary clinton for her e-mails that went -- that were not classified or became classified. and you've got general petraeus, who's paid a pretty heavy price, but you look at the totality of the man, very gifted general, brilliant, and certainly knows the world. so he would be a good choice, even given the fact that it would be a double standard that would be applied to general petraeus versus hillary clinton. >> now, the cia director, john brennan, was speaking to the bbc about donald trump's argument during the campaign and since
that the iran deal was a bad deal, he would try to renegotiate it, canceled parts of it. this is the warning that the cia director gave. >> first of all, for one administration to tear up an agreement that a previous administration made would be almost unprecedented. and then it could lead to a weapons program inside of iran, that could lead other states in the region to embark on their own programs. so i think it would be the height of folly if the next administration were to tear up that agreement. >> that is a public warning. we don't know what the private warnings have been. but we do know that donald trump has only had three intelligence briefings since being elected, rather than the daily briefing that he's entitled to. >> i think the president-elect has to spend more time dealing with intelligence briefings, less time tweeting. and i think we have to be less concerned with tweets, chasing every one, as if it's some sort of revealed wisdom that's going out -- >> when he tweets something about isis claiming responsibility for what happened in ohio state, when that's not
at all confirmed, doesn't that raise questions about the judgment -- he is the president-elect. >> it raises questions, but also raises questions about the media. why are you chasing it? why went a story comes out with a tweet that you know is not of significance, but you spend an entire day analyzing it. so i think the media has a responsibility to take tweets that are serious seriously and those that are irrelevant, don't spend time chasing it. >> why is it our job, and how can we assess what does he mean seriously on twitter and what does he not mean -- he's using social media -- there are no news conferences. we have no access to him. if this is the only way he's communicating with the public, when he talks about flag burning or isis, we have to take that seriously. he now is in a different position. he's not a candidate. >> the problem is that the media has become -- the traditional media has become almost irrelevant, because he has -- there's no filter. so if there's no filter, there's no accountability. he can make a statement about
flag burning, but if he had a press conference to say, mr. president-elect, did you know about justice scalia's decision? do you agree with it? disagree? do you want it a constitutional amendment? how can you say something that has been judged to be freedom of speech, yet you want to put someone in prison for it. that's the role of press. now, he's bypassing you and just putting out a tweet, so now you're left guessing, what does he mean? does he mean he's going to put a constitutional amendment before the congress? so i think we've got to insist that not every tweet that he puts out is something worthy of following. and i think that the president-elect has to understand that the presidency is more than 140 characters. we can't conduct this office, this high, the highest office in the world, through 140 characters. you have an obligation to the people of this country to talk about substance and be held accountable for everything you say, and not simply put it out there with no filter, with everybody commenting around the press. >> on that, you agree, in fact, with what newt gingrich said yesterday, and i agree entirely,
that that is the responsibility of the person hitting the twitter machine, but the media are left to interpret what a man as important as the next president of the united states says. >> i think at some point, you have to turn the cameras off and say, this is not something we're going to follow. this is another rabbit hole we're going down and we're not going to do it. >> to be continued. please come back. >> okay. >> bill cohn. and meanwhile, in havana today, thousands lining the streets for the start of the four-day procession of fidel castro's ashes to their final resting place in santiago de cuba near his birthplace. last night, hundreds of thousands gathered in havana's place of the revolution to honor castro. diplomats from iran to venezuela attending the memorial. no official representation from the u.s., although the deputy national security adviser and point man, benjamin rhodes from the white house was going to cuba to represent the u.s., but not in an official category. raul castro memorialized his brother saying, he dedicated his whole life to solidarity with
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tom price, who's a doctor. he's also the budget chair. he's been picked as the next health and human services secretary. joining me now, sylvia burrell, currently secretary of health and human services. thank you very much for being with us. obamacare is the centerpiece of this controversy. he has pledged to get rid of it. he's talk about privatizing medicare. we don't know if donald trump will follow up on what congressman price has said. let me ask you to defend obamacare, with all the controversy over the higher premiums, higher-than-expected premiums. >> i'm hoping that the conversation is going to switch from the rhetoric to the reality. and the substance. and that's what i think and hope will happen over the next weeks and months. and when we do that, i think we know and the american people are going to think about three things. access, affordability, and quality. and in terms of access, there are 20 million fewer americans who are uninsured now. and that's a big difference. we have the lowest uninsured rate in the nation's history. in terms of quality, i think most americans consider it in the fabric of their health care that pre-existing conditions
can't keep you off your policy. that your child could be on your policy up to 26. that there aren't lifetime or annual limits or that you and i couldn't be charged more for health care, because we're women. and that's part of it, as well as, we have seen slowing, not as much as we'd like, but we have seen slowing in the growth of health care costs. that's a place where we want to do more and think we should do more. but i think those facts are going to start to be a part of the conversation now. >> well, donald trump told lesley stahl on "60 minutes" that he wants to keep the, you know -- pre-existing conditions. >> pre-existing conditions, and he wants to keep access for people up to 26. how does he do that without the mandate and the other aspects of this to pay for that. >> take the president-elect at his word and think those are two very important and very popular parts. but i think what's important is, it is sort of like a three-legged stool. or a jenga game and you pull a piece out. you can't just take the piece you want to pick out or keep.
and if one is going to keep pre-existing conditns, it is going to be very important that there is financial existence. one thing everyone talks about whether it's in rates or other forms, is price. so you will have to have financial assistance. and because pre-existing conditions bring people who are sicker into the risk pool, you'll need to have everyone in. that's what the individual mandate is about. >> what about women's issues. there are some people who feel very threatened that governor mike pence has proposed and certainly things that tom price has suggested about access to contraception and to other things and one of the things that has been said so far, as well, they can go to another state, when donald trump talks about, well, they can go to another state, it should be a state's issues. we saw in texas what happened when planned parenthood clinics were closed. >> the issues of contraception are very personal and preventative health issues for millions of women across this country. and i think it was referred to in one conversation as a nitty-gritty detail. but i think the questions of
both access, in terms of where you can get an affordability of contraception are very important issues to women across this country, and not just women, but men, too. because this is about families and how people approach their own family issues. and so, that's an issue that i think is a very important one. and i think most people know that because of the affordable care act, you don't have to pay an additional co-pay or anything additional out of pocket for that contraceptive coverage. and i think that's a benefit most people think is an important one to preserve. >> do you think y'all underestimated the degree to which healthy mentals would want to pay the fine and not sign up? and the fact that you didn't have healthy young people, as many as you would hope for, in the risk pool raise some of those premiums? >> right now in this open enrollment, we are very focused on those millennials and trying to make sure that we are reaching them. because right now as open enrollment, the people that can re-enroll in the market place and those that are uninsured can
come in and shop and find plans. so we're very focused. we're using tools like different types of places that millennials are either working or follow, whether that's lyft, uber, task grab it, glam squad. places where there are professionals that we think are those young people, those 18 to 34, who are about 40% of the uninsured that are eligible for the market place. so we're working with organizations like that to make sure we're reaching them. we've improved the ability to sign up on mobile, because we know that's how they do it. >> and one other thing is, some people have criticized some of the campaign contributors to tom price. he didn't have a real election challenge, but he raised a lot of money and a lot of it came from pharma and a lot of it came from drug companies who were trying to keep the costs up on critical drugs like cancer drugs. >> it's one of the things, in changes we would like to see to improve the affordable care act. we have all spoken to putting in place things that can help us reduce those drug costs are a
very important part to making health care more affordable. and there has been a very big press from pharma and the industry to not want those changes that can help us put that downward pressure. >> thank you so much. so much to get through, but we have more days to come. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> secretary sylvia burwell. and coming up, romney's reversal. one of donald trump's biggest critics now singing a different tune. could a cabinet post be next? you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count.
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that mitt romney thinks he can serve. and donald trump is looking at him very seriously, we're told. >> right. there are two theories on this, andrea. one makes mitt romney look mak less amazing. one is that romney views, takes public service very seriously. he is not willing to put his personal disagreements, which he still has with donald trump, in front of his desire to help. the other theory that makes romney look less good is romney's ambition trumps everything and he wants back in and this is a way to do it no matter what he's said about donald trump in the past. again, i'm a believer in the first theory, but who knows what goes on in the minds of these men? >> just the process we are witnessing here, we are told nothing is imminence. seems to me bob corker is a
serious candidate. he would be the safest choice, the least objected to among the factions. >> what you look at is -- i can't speak to general kelly as well. with general petraeus and rudy giuliani they are potentially tougher senate confirmations. romney would get bumps in confirmation but would be fine and corker would fly right through. how much does it matter to krump if at all? we don't know. one thing that's fascinating is the public performance art of all of this. they go to places in new york city where they know they will be seen and photographed. it's a remarkable thing and a break from the past. >> even brought in the pool to take that picture. >> right. >> thank you very much, chris cillizza. coming up, a terrible story. the latest on the investigation into the tragic plane crash out of colombia. an update from keir simmons next
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authorities in colombia recovered all the bodies and survivors from monday night's horrible plane crash that killed many of the brazilian soccer team. investigators today analyzing the black boxes recovered from the scene. nbc's keir simmons joins me now from medellin from outside the hospital where some of the survivors are being treated. what do we know about the terrible crash and the survivors? >> we just arrived at the hospital where three survivors are being treated. let me just tell you what i have been told by someone who knows. one of the survivors, a female crew member, has said about what happened. she says, quote, all of the sudden the lights went out. after that, the impact. you need to ask an aviation
expert to ask if that has relevance. there are two working theories on what may have happened. one is electrical failure. one is a fuel -- the plane ran out of fuel. perhaps there could be a true error involved. that description from that female crew member does seem to reflect toward that being a possible explanation. just in terms of the survivors, 77 people on board, 71 killed. one of the players is here. he's had an operation on -- surgery on his spine. two crew are awake and recovering from their injuries not in icu. i asked if they had survived at the back of the plane, i'm told and took the position and they have survived the pictures. a devastating crash now tonight
here in colombia we expect there to be a vigil at the stadium where the game was set to take place between the brazilian side and the colombian side. the colombians saying they want the trophy to go to the brazilians for the fallen heroes. >> thank you for the report. we'll be right back. world ugly and messy. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary, and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful. i am totally blind. i lost my sight in afghanistan. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24.
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