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according to the latest count, we've spent $6 trillion in the middle east. and the middle east today is far worse than it's ever been. you will see changes very quickly. a shrinking -- you will see it. a shrinking workforce and flat wages are not the new normal. we're not even talking about flat. we're talking about wages where some of you in this audience, hard working, incredible americans, were making more money 20 years ago than you're making today, and today you're older and you're working harder. in many cases, you have two jobs. some of that is because of obamacare and by the way, we're repealing and replacing obamacare. [ applause ] we can reverse the stagnation
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and usher in a period of true opportunity and growth, endless gridlock is not a way of life any longer. we don't have to accept that. government can be responsive. we can become proud again of how washington works, and i've spoken to democrats, and i said to them, look, we can't go on with this gridlock. it's gone on for so many years. it's gone on for so many years. they can't get together. we're going to get together. i believe they want to get together. you know why? because it's time. the people are angry. they're angry. and they're going to get together. we're going to make joint decisions. we are. the nice part, our victory was so great, we have the house. we have the senate, and we have the presidency. [ applause ] but we want to get them onboard
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also. people are constantly telling me and telling you to reduce our expectations. those people are fools. they're fools. but this campaign proved that the old rules no longer apply, that anything we want for our country is now possible. anything. right? [ applause ] now is not the time to downsize our dreams but to set our sights higher than ever before for our country. [ applause ] now is the time to push for real profound change that restores the full promise of america for all of its people and those people are great people. i got to know them. believe me over the last 18
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months. and what we've created is a movement, and it's a beautiful thing. you take a look here. the roads are all gridlocked. all gridlocked. all locked down. all secured up and people pour in. it's an amazing thing. now is the time to unlock the potential of millions of americans left on the sidelines, their talents unused, their dreams unrealized and their aspirations totally forgotten. these are people of great talent. this is the moment. this is our chance. this is our window for action. this is the hour when the great deeds can be done and our highest hopes can come true. we're going to do it, folks. we're going to do it. [ applause ] we're going to do it. >> usa! usa!
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usa! usa! usa! usa! usa! >> thank you. i love you too. some guy. look at this guy. i do love him. he's a rough looking cookie i'll tell you though. we love -- we have a lot of love. believe me. going to be a lot of love in our country. driven by these goals, i'm working to assemble a detailed action plan for america. my plan begins with the bold structural reform to create millions of new jobs and rapidly expand our economic growth. you see what's happening with taxes. you see what's happening with regulations, which are totally out of control. right now we punish companies for doing business in america. they're actually punished. that's why they're leaving. and by the way, i have to say
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this, we are going to reduce taxes to a point that our -- for the middle class in particular but for our companies. we're going to reduce the regulations. but if a company wants to still leave the state of ohio or pennsylvania or how about north carolina, how well did we do in north carolina? right. [ applause ] remember when they said he cannot win north carolina. so we just won ohio. iowa. we had just won florida. breaking news. donald trump has won florida. they say whoa. [ applause ] we won it big. but then the people back there, the extremely dishonest press said, right --
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[ booing ] >> ve very dishonest people. how about -- how about -- how dishonest -- how about when a major anchor who hosted a debate started crying when she realized that we won. how about that? tears. tell me this isn't true. you know what she doesn't understand? things are going to be much better now. she doesn't understand. [ applause ] i mean think of it. we won in a landslide. that was a landslide. and we didn't have the press.
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the press was brutal. you know what? hey, in the great state of ohio, we didn't have the upper echelon of politician either, did we? i will say this. i will say this. it was very nice. your governor, john kasich, called me after the election and was very nice. he said congratulations. that was amazing. he couldn't believe how much we won ohio by or the election by. remember, you cannot get to 270. the dishonest press. there is no road. folks, how many times did we
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hear this? there is no path to 270. there is none. [ applause ] there is no path. there is no path for donald trump. texas is in play. do you remember that one? now, as a republican, i'm supposed to win texas. as a republican, i'm supposed to win georgia. as a republican, i'm supposed to win the great state of utah. i love utah. love those states. remember when they said donald trump is going to lose to some guy i never even heard of. who is that guy? he is going to lose to this guy. but the people of utah were
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amazing. we trounced them. we trounced. and by the way, hillary came in second and that guy came in third. i am still trying to figure out -- i'm still trying to figure out what was he going to prove? did he want to -- what the hell was he trying to prove? i guess he wanted us to lose the supreme court. but think of it. they said, i'll tell you what two to three weeks before the election and my friends telling me the opposite that live in texas and georgia. they say georgia is in play. texas is in play. that means we're even. then we won in a landslide. both states. i said what happened? [ applause ] they, go, for weeks texas is in play. then you turn on the television like two minutes later. donald trump has won texas.
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[ applause ] these are very, very dishonest people. okay. [ booing ] should i go on with this just a little bit longer? [ applause ] how about, it's like 12:00 in the evening, and pennsylvania -- i'm leading by a lot. we couldn't get off 98%. they didn't want to call it. we're leading by so much that it's impossible if i lost every other vote, and they refuse to call. then at 3:00, i'll never forget, i watched a particular person, and we won wisconsin. and we won michigan. and we won pennsylvania.
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right? and that person is doing the map, and that person was saying for months that there's no way that donald trump can break the blue wall, right? we didn't break it. we shattered that sucker. we shattered it. [ applause ] we shattered it. man. that poor wall is busted up. i'll never forget it though. it felt so good. you know, more so because they kept saying there's no path and all this nonsense. i go out and see the people like this. i would say how are we going to lose? how are we going to lose? what happened? they say we win wisconsin. donald trump 38 years or so, donald trump has won michigan. and then they look at the map.
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they're saying, oh, wow. there's no way for hillary clinton to become president. donald trump is president of the united states! [ applause ] amazing. amazing. really amazing. and one of the announcers, one of the announcers, i have to tell you, from espn. they cover football and boxing and everything, right? he went out. he said i got to tell you, that event last night, meaning the election results, was better than any fight, any baseball game, any football game. [ applause ] he said that was the most exciting event i've ever seen. it was politics. and then you look at the nfl,
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well now they should start recovering. but their ratings were so far down, and you know what the reason was? this. because this business is tougher than the nfl. it's crazy. the people liked it. ratings were down 20% or 21%, and it was because of us so we had a lot of fun. bottom line is we won. we won. we won big. [ applause ] whether it's reducing steel, building cars or curing disease, we want the next generation of innovation and production to happen right here in america and right here in ohio, right? first on taxes. we're going to massively lower taxes and make america the best
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place in the world to hire, to invest, to grow, to create and to expand. we're going to do that. on regulation, we're going to eliminate every single wasteful regulation that undermines the ability of our workers and our companies to compete with companies from foreign lands. we're going to do that. we have the greatest competitors on earth. by the way, i've put on some of the greatest business people in the world. one of the networks said why, he put on a billionaire at commerce. that's because this guy knows how to make money, folks. [ applause ] he knows how to make money. i would like to put on a guy that failed all of his life, but we don't want that, do we? no. i mean, i would put on a killer.
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i've been honest. i said i'm going to be putting on the greatest killers you've ever seen. we need that. it's time. it's time. it's time. we have a great, great cabinet i'll tell you. it's coming. wait until you see what we have next week. are we doing a good job with our cabinet and our people? [ applause ] and i don't want to tell you -- i don't want to tell you this because i want to save the suspense for next week, so i will not tell you -- i refuse to tell you -- don't let it outside of this room. do you promise? raise your hand. promise. so i will not tell you that one of our great, great generals --
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don't let it outside, right? of course the press is very honest. they'll never let this go. even though it's all live. they got seven stations live. we are going to appoint mad dog mattis as our secretary of defense. [ applause ] but we're not announcing it until monday so don't tell anybody. mad dog. he's great. he is great. i asked one of the generals, i love the generals. i won't use his name, but he probably would come forward. but i said to him, you're a good general, aren't you? yes, sir, i am.
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i said so how do you compare to general mattis? how do you compare to mad dog? sir, he's better than i am. i loved it. i said i love you to say that. they love him. so we're going to be announcing him on monday of next week. keep it inside the room. but that's what we have. he's our best. they say he's the closest thing to general george patton that we have, and it's about time. it's about time. [ applause ] okay. i gave up a little secret. usa! usa! >> my people over there are probably saying you weren't supposed to do that, mr. trump. on energy, we will pursue energy independence and cancel the job killing restrictions on the production of shale energy, oil,
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natural gas and clean coal and put the miners of ohio back to work. on infrastructure, we will build new roads, tunnels, bridges, railways, airports, schools and hospitals including major projects in the inner cities. there's such potential in the inner cities. we're not using our potential. remember when i would make the speeches i would say what the hell do you have to lose? the african-american community was so great to me in this election. they were so great to me. amazing. i couldn't believe it. i started off at a low number and every week, boom, boom,
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boom. i got it up to a number that's higher than all of the republican candidates for years and it was great. the hispanic community, i did great with the hispanic community. great. higher than people that were supposed to have done well. i felt it. is this really a big surprise? we did great with women. can you believe it? [ applause ] great with women. [ applause ] a couple of polls came in. a couple of polls came in in the early states, and they said we don't believe it. he's doing well with women but every time i went out, i saw those beautiful pink signs.
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women for trump. i knew we were going to do well. we did great with everybody. we will deepen new lanes of commerce across the nation. we have harbors that ships can't go into. we'll have two simple rules when it comes -- they don't know that hillary lost a couple of weeks ago. they forgot. [ applause ] where do these people come from? oh well. they're taking her back home to mom. it's true. it's true.
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they don't realize. they don't know. a lot of people that protest we said did you vote? no, i didn't vote. they don't vote. they never vote. and do you agree with my stance that if people burn the american flag there should be consequence, right? [ applause ] think so. >> usa! usa! usa! usa! usa! usa! usa! usa! >> we will have two simple rules when it comes to this massive rebuilding effort. buy america and hire america. we're going to do it ourselves. we're going to do it ourselves. that will be our new mantra.
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on trade, the history of nations teaches us that the strength of a country and its trade and manufacturing sector is vital to both its economic prosperity and national security because we don't do that. our borders are weak. our trade is terrible. you're going to see a turn that is so big, it's going to happen so fast, and we started today in indiana. believe me, that's just the beginning. that's just the beginning. [ applause ] our trade deficit now is nearly $800 billion a year. it's a chronic drag on growth and a destroyer -- it destroys the wealth of our country and jobs. and jobs. ohio has lost one-third of its manufacturing jobs since nafta.
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you know the nice part? now i don't have to say signed by bill clinton and approved by hillary. who cares. all i can tell you is that nafta is a disaster. what difference does it make? we will fix nafta, or we'll terminate it and start all over again. [ applause ] america has lost 70,000 factories. hard to believe. i always say that's a typo. 70,000 factories since china joined the world trade organization. think of it. in the year 2000, america had nearly 20 million manufacturing jobs in the rust belt, okay? today we have only 12.3 million manufacturing jobs left in the rust belt. we're going to bring them back. we're going to bring them back.
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[ applause ] we're going to bring them back. the rust belt has been hammered, and one of the reasons i won. it's one of the reasons i won. ohio, as an example, is down from 1.2 million manufacturing jobs in the year 2000 to only 690,000 jobs today. not going to happen anymore, folks. or take michigan. they're down from 900,000 manufacturing jobs in the year 2000 to only 600,000 manufacturing jobs today. i see these numbers and it's sad. but what isn't sad because this is all about hope, but it's real hope because we're going to turn that around so fast. and we don't want ford leaving and going to mexico to build its
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small cars. we don't want it. we're going to turn it all around. we're living through the greatest jobs theft in the history of the world. i've been saying it for months. it used to be the cars were made in flint, right? and you couldn't drink the water in mexico. today the cars are made in mexico, and you can't drink the water in flint, michigan. you know that, right? what a difference. we're turning that around. what a terrible thing that was too. gross incompetence on so many levels. the era of economic surrender is over. we're going to fight for every last american job. it's time to remove the rust from the rust belt and usher in a new industrial revolution. we're going to do it. [ applause ] on health care reform, we will
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repeal and replace obamacare. we have no choice. we have no choice. and we will finally fix health care for america's incredible veterans. we love our veterans. where are the veterans? raise your hand. who is a veteran? we have a lot of veterans. our veterans have not been treated properly. and i want to thank our veterans, and i want to thank our military, and i want to take our police forces because the number of votes i got was staggering. staggering. for whatever reason, people in uniforms like trump. i don't know. tough to figure that out. these are great people. we're going to take care of our veterans, and we're working right now on somebody to run the
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veterans administration who will be terrific. believe me. terrific. i'll be watching too. i'll be watching. on child care, i'm asking congress to pass legislation to support the american family and make safe an affordable child care assessable to all. it's so important. our agenda will fight to increase pay and opportunities for women in the workforce. support women entrepreneurs. who is a woman entrepreneur here? who are the women? a lot of them. hate to tell you, men, generally speaking, they're better than you are. [ applause ] now, if i said it the other way around, i would be in big trouble. we're going to make sure that no one is penalized for the decision to have a family. right now they're penalized.
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on crime, the murder rate has experienced its largest increase in 45 years in our country. think of that. we're going to support the incredible men and women of law enforcement. they are incredible people. [ applause ] my administration will use federal resources to bring this crime wave to an end. most in 45 years. we believe all americans have the right to live in safety and peace, and we will never back down in fighting to deliver that security to every community in our land and to our inner cities that have been forsaken. [ applause ] take care of our inner cities and the people in our inner city. on defense, we will begin a major national effort to rebuild
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our badly depleted military. we have no choice. we have no choice. you look at this world, it's a tinder box. we have no choice. we want a strong military, and we don't want to have to use it. ideally we don't have to use it. although, we will destroy isis. [ applause ] at the same time, we will pursue a new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past. we will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments, folks. remember, $6 trillion. 6 trillion in the middle east. 6 trillion. our goal is stability, not chaos, because we want to rebuild our country.
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it's time. it's time. we will partner with any nation that is willing to join us in the effort to defeat isis and radical islamic terrorism. okay. we have to say the term. have to say the term. in our dealings with other countries, we will seek shared interest wherever possible and pursue a new era of peace, understanding and goodwill. on immigration, we will restore the sovereignty of the united states. we will restore the sovereignty. [ applause ] we will finally end illegal immigration. have to. [ applause ] we will construct a great wall at the border. [ applause ]
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dismantle the criminal cartels. and liberate our communities from the epidemic of gang violence and drugs pouring into our nation. [ applause ] we will ask congress to reform our visa and immigration programs to protect jobs and wages for american workers. i love american workers. i love these people. you know what i call the american workers? the forgotten men and women of our nation and those men and women came out to vote. nobody ever thought that was going to happen. they came out by the millions. these are great, great people. to keep our nation secure from
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terrorism and extremisextremism. we have regions of the world, people are pouring in. i don't have to say who is letting them in anymore. i just have to say they're pouring into our country. we don't need san bernardino. we don't need another orlando. we don't need another world trade center. we don't need paris. you look at paris. you look at nice. look at what's happening to germany. we don't need that, folks. we have enough problems. believe me. your state has just experienced a violent atrocity at the great ohio state university. that is a great place. that further demonstrates the security threats that are created and these are just threats that are stupidly created by our very, very stupid politicians. refugee programs. we offer our thoughts, prayers
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and deepest sympathies to the victims and our hearts go out to the entire community of ohio state. what a great place. great place. we're with you, and we will stand with you every single step of the way. the job of the president is to keep america safe, and that will always be my highest priority. [ applause ] we will do everything in our power to keep terrorism out of our country. we're going to keep it out of our country. just so you understand, people are pouring in from regions of the middle east. we have no idea who they are, where they come from, what they're thinking, and we're going to stop that dead cold
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flat. [ applause ] you just take a look at what just happened in your state. just take a good look and really think about it. ethics reform will be a crucial part of our 100-day plan as well. we're going to drain the swamp of corruption in washington d.c. drain the swamp. >> drain the swamp! drain the swamp! drain the swamp! >> thank you. i will impose a five-year ban on becoming lobbyists and lifetime ban on officials become lobbyists for a foreign
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government. change is not easy. i need you to fight as hard for these proposals as you fought for this great campaign of ours. we are going to need our government and this movement to be more engaged and more vigilant than ever before to help us accomplish the reforms and overcome decades of stalemate and gridlock. we're going to get it done, folks. now that you put me in this position, even if you don't help me one bit, i'm going to get it done. believe me. don't worry about it. easier if you help but that's all right. don't worry. i'll get it done. importantly, we are all going to have open arms. we're going to invite everyone from all political persuasions to join our movement, to help us
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achieve our goals for this country. great schools. safe neighborhoods. a thriving economy, and a government that answers only to the people, our people. [ applause ] we are going to have to dig deep, and i know you and i and all of the people working with us are up to the task. there are a lot of people working with us. every single day you will be the agents of change. change for our country. good change. great change. americans must ignore the pessimists and embrace the optimism that has always been the central ingredient of the american character. we are the nation that won two world wars, that dug out the panama canal, that put a man on the moon, and satellites all
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over space. but somewhere along the way, we started thinking small. i'm asking you to dream big again and bold and daring things for your country will happen once again. i'm asking you to join me in this next chapter of this unbelievable and unprecedented movement as we work toward prosperity at home, peace abroad, and new frontiers in science, technology and space. i am asking you -- is that right? yeah. i am asking -- i love this guy. he's a believer. you are a believer, right? he's a believer. i am asking you to believe in america once again. we have many challenges, but this is truly an exciting time
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to be alive. there's been no time like it. the script is not yet written. we do not know what the next page will read. i'll tell you, it's going to be a great page. for the first time in a long time, what we do know is that the pages will be authored by each one of you. each one of you. [ applause ] americans will be the captains of their own destiny once again. you know, i talk about our great movement, and you are the movement. i'm the messenger. i'm just really the messenger. i've been a very good messenger. let's face it, right? i've been a pretty good messenger. [ applause ]
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so once again i want to thank ohio. i want to thank the great people of ohio. it's an incredible place, an incredible state. there's been nothing like it. remember this, it was when they called the landslide that we had in ohio that these extremely dishonest people started saying something is happening very big tonight. something is happening very big. i've been saying it to you for many months, but i'll say it one last time tonight. we are going to come together and make america great again! thank you very much. thank you, ohio. thank you. [ applause ]
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♪ >> well, that is the future president of these united states, donald j. trump, current president-elect giving his first address as president-elect sounding very much like the man who ran for president for 18 months or so. pursuing a variety of grievances. calling the press dishonest. spouting off an untruth about refugees pouring in from all over the middle east, which is simply not the case. that twined together with a speech on the teleprompter that sound like it came from the mind of steve bannon, his senior adviser, the america first anti-globalism ideology that has become kind of central to the version of donald trump that we now have before us. joining me now, former ohio state senator and current msnbc political analyst, nina turner, and josh barrow, senior editor
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of "business insider." let me start with you, david, who wrote a book on trump because i think we saw tonight that it's always been obvious there's no pivot, no changing. the man is 70 years old. he's going to be how he is. we're going to see a completely different kind of presidency. that to me was the most clear thing tonight. it will be like the campaign every day for the next four years. >> well, we're going to see a campaign of how much he loves you but defining america in a narrow way despite the occasional throw away line about all americans and one where facts don't matter. he said we have an $800 billion trade deficit. no, we don't. and this is very troubling that we're going to have a president here who doesn't have any regard for fact. donald trump creates his own reality. >> nina, i'm curious what you
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made of this. obviously one thing that is clear to me here is already they understand that their fortunes for reelection run through ohio, wisconsin, michigan understanding that's what made the difference. understanding also although he didn't mention that it was a narrow margin. wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania, not in ohio where he won big by eight points. what's your sense of how this message, the kind of prompter parts resonates in your state? >> the prompter parts, chris, are the reason why he won. he really tapped into some of the frustration that many ohioans are feeling and our state and other midwestern states were hit very hard by nafta and some folks have never really recovered from that. the teleprompter was right on. i started to think about the greatest show on earth and that is exactly what he gave tonight. a little bit of rally. and then a little bit of we are
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the best country on the face of the earth, and i'm going to make america great again. he's going to say that over and over and over again. it's like a song you can't get out of your head until he convinces everybody that he's going to do that. it was very smart on his part to come back to ohio because so often politicians will win an election and they never come back. he is very much running for 2020. >> and, josh, we've seen -- i mean, the most remarkable thing and most authentically trump thing tonight was not the prompter speech. it was the long extended rifts about the dishonest media, the almost sort of second by second reliving of election night, which again the guy won against all expectations in the electoral college. he lost the popular vote by almost two percentage points. you know, he's welcome to relive that. but it just strikes me that that's going to be -- you know, in the campaign he was sort of at his best when he was able to stay on message and sort of do the kind of america first line and got into trouble when he
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pursued vendettas and you wonder how that's going to play given tonight was the first chance to show himself as president-elect and he clearly cannot stop himself from pursuing them. >> i think he got in trouble in the campaign when he pursued vendettas against specific american figures who were sympathetic figures. he won't get in trouble for fighting the media. the thing he seems to be maddest at the media about is thinking he wasn't going to win the election. if i were donald trump and thinking about what the media did that was potentially damaging to me, that would not be at the top of the list. in fact, it probably helped his cause that people didn't think he was going to win because it meant that he got less scrutiny than he would have gotten. i think partly that this is not strateg strategic. partly he thinks his brand is about winning and he showed that he was able to win and he wants to take a victory lap about that. i think today has been a good messaging day for him. i don't think that the media
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stuff matters so much. i think that his event with carrier was a real political success and that's a message that he'll carry through. >> the thing is that this sort of idea of this america first kind of right wing nationalism and version of brexit and the immigrants are pouring in. they're bringing drugs and globalists are outsourcing your jobs and we need to get back to building up america and supporting our troops and our police, this kind of right wing nationalism that bannon is the chief crafter of, there is an audience for that certainly and it's a question about what that looks like on capitol hill. david kay, the thing i thought about tonight was there's also a lot of promises being made. a lot of things, a lot of expectations being set and you wonder whether it will matter ultimately if he delivers on them particularly if the folks that voted for him come to believe he did whether he does or not. >> donald has presented himself
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as this very strong authoritarian father figure who is going to protect you if you identify with him. if he fails in that, people are going to turn on him with a vengeance and he's proposing things that are mutually contradictory. you can't cut taxes for those at the top and have massive new government spending programs. the math just doesn't work and you don't have to be a wonk to grasp that. we'll see how the performance actually works down the road. right now what we're seeing is what josh said. a victory lap. politically, he was very smart today. >> nina, i also just felt -- two things. one is whether the reality matters on the ground in ohio, right, which is once the republican party is governing the entire federal government, are they delivering tangible improvements to people's lives,
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a, and b, what we saw tonight you have to take a step back and remark once again that it's a real departure. deporture fr departure from decorum and citing of incorrect statistics about refugees pouring in, i mean, this is going to be a period in american history with this figure whose goal is to command the national drama at all times with him at the center. >> i mean, drama is the president-elect's specialty. he is really in his orbit when he is out there. so to the extent that he's saying i'm going to rebuild the inner cities and roads and bridges and hospitals, that speaks to the needs of americans, but at the same time, you know, i agree that you can't give those same tax breaks. that money has to come from somewhere. you know who is paying for that kind of stuff? it's the every day american. so while the folks in indiana
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whose jobs were saved and those families, they are absolutely happy but think about the $7 million that now has to come from somewhere else so it really is a catch-22 because i think very much people are in a honeymoon period but as he said tonight, they control the senate, the house and the presidency and they are going to have to deliver and if he does not deliver, americans should come at him with a vengeance. >> that is the sort of big question right now and particularly when we look at the domestic agenda being assembled and being primed by paul ryan, by head of hhs, possible privatization of medicare or repeal of obamacare or replacement even, there is going to be a really rubber hitting the road moment from the day he takes office january 20th. it's going to be unlike anything we've ever really seen. we're already in unchartered territory. we'll just continue to walk into further unchartered territory. nina turner, david kay johnson,
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josh barrow, thank you for your time tonight. coming up, my exclusive interview with bernie sanders. stick around for that.
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particularly fond with right now, not a particularly fond -- i don't have great feelings about them. so we're going to say every unit you make and bring it into the united states you'll pay a 35% tax. >> that's how donald trump said he'd convince companies like carrier to keep jobs in the u.s., but in the end he went with the opposite approach. according to multiple reports, indiana will now give carrier's parent company united technologies exactly what he said he loathed, $7 million in tax breaks to keep them in state. trump said he also promised to create more favorable conditions for the company if it stayed, an inducement aimed at the private sector in general. >> i just want to let all of the other companies know that we're going to do great things for business. there's no reason for them to leave anymore. because your taxes will be at the very, very low end. and your unnecessary regulations are going to be gone. >> this sounds more like bribing
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companies to stay than threatening them with consequences. it sets what could be a dicey precedent. the carrier approach wasn't even totally effective-while 1100 jobs are being saved, the deal would cover 800 from the furnace plant and 300 in research and headquarters positions that weren't slated to go to mexico. the company still plans to move 600 jobs from the carrier plant to mexico and that's on top of 700 jobs from a plant in huntington, indiana. some of the huntington workers turned out in indianapolis today to try to get the president-elect's attention. >> it's gloom in our plant. so we just -- we're down here to make trump -- we want trump to look at our plant, not forget about us. we feel like we've been forgotten. there's 700 jobs in huntington that's being lost. that's 700 families that are without. >> to recap, that's 1100 jobs saved is, 1300 still leaving the
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country. but no word on whether that still applies to carrier. >> they'll be taxed very heavily at the border if they want to leave, make product in different companies and different countries and then think they're going to sell that product over the border. >> joining me now is senator bernie sanders. senator, you wrote an op-ed blasting this deal. you know, at one level you could imagine a world in which you would be happy with this. i mean, it was some combination that looks like a carrots in the forms of incentives and maybe mixed with federal contracts. what's wrong with this? >> well, first of all, we're happy for a thousand families that now have jobs that would have otherwise gone to mexico. but you know, chris, during the x campaign, we had mr. trump running around the country saying he was going to be really tough on these corporations if they outsourced america jobs and
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threw american workers out on the street and they wanted to bring their products back in from mexico and china, he was going to slap a huge tariff on them. that's what he said in the campaign but what he's doing now is very, very different. he's saying to these corporations, well, it's okay for half of the jobs to go to mexico where people will be paid three bucks an hour and for the other half, well, we're going to give a very profitable corporation, united technologies made $7 billion in profits last year, we're going to give them a $7 million tax break in order to keep these jobs. united technologies two years ago gave their ceo $172 million golden parachute. united technologies does not need a tax break. united technologies today has $6 billion in defense contracts. and what trump should tell them is you're not getting a tax break, you're going to lose your defense contracts if you don't do the right thing and keep
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these workers, all of these workers here in indiana rather than sending half of those jobs to mexico. >> so two questions on that. on that last thing, i mean, you have -- if i'm not mistaken, you have actually called for a policy to be enshrined much like the federal contracting policy on paying a living wage that would essentially enshrine a policy that if you're getting federal contracts you can't do this kind of outsourcing. is there a danger, though, is there a difference between enshrining it as policy and this ad hoc approach. is there a danger of abuse of essentially the president calling up various companies in the way that he does here? >> well, i don't mind a president being aggressive in trying to protect jobs. i think that's a good thing. what i think is an absurd thing is that the taxpayers of this country have to subsidize multibillion dollar corporations who are making huge profits in order to beg them to keep jobs in this country. what we should be saying is we
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demand of you to be a patriotic corporation. no, you're not going to throw american workers out on the street and move to other countries and then expect your products to simply come back into the united states tariff-free, no. don't expect that you're going to get huge defense contracts from the taxpayers of this country. we want you to be a good corporate citizen. and what being a good corporate citizen is about is protecting the interests of american workers not just your own bottom line. and not just the salaries of your ceo. and what trump is doing is setting a very dangerous precedent. my guess is today there's some corporation who may not have thought one second about leaving america, now they're going to announce, hey, we're going to mexico, we're going to china. hey, mr. trump, what are you going to do for us? how many millions in tax breaks are you going to give us for staying in america and not throwing our workers out on the street. very dangerous precedent. >> that's an interesting point because i've seen people raise
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this, the idea that essentially trump gets a political victory in a certain sense. he gets to go and sort of be the savior of these jobs. carrier gets a pr victory and $7 million in taxpayer money and a thousand people get to keep their jobs though a whole bunch of other people will lose them anyway. you can imagine that being replicated if he can pull those strings on the incentives time and time again. >> absolutely. look, you're a corporation out there who doesn't intend to leave the country and you are hearing trump saying they're willing to bribe you to stay in the country. these guys are smart. oh, hey, mr. trump we've got a thousand jobs. we're thinking of leaving. give us a tax break as well. the bottom line is he campaigned on being tough on corporate america, on slapping a very large tariff on them and what he ended up doing is kafbing in and giving multibillion dollar corporation making huge profits a significant tax break. that is the wrong policy. >> all right. we'll have much more of my
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interview with bernie sanders tomorrow night including his opinion on trump's plutocratic cabinet picks and the man of the people campaign promises that don't seem to be square with the trump agenda. that's "all in" for this evening. rachel maddow show starts right now. >> good evening, chris. can you come over? >> i'm on my way. >> thank you very much. we'll see chris hayes in a different light, literally, in a moment. thanks to you at home for staying with us this hour. it's a weird night. we're officially having a weird night in the news. we just through the last hour just covered this. and it was interesting. the chyron at the bottom of the screen, that's like the -- see, there it is, the lower third thing, the red banner. the chyron on the screen for most of our coverage for that live event tonight said "trump holds first rally since election." and that's just weird. i mean, i'm not criticizing the producers who wrote that headline. it's true. it's just weird, right? it's weird. you have


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