tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC December 1, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PST
that, because the law says we've got control of the military, you can't be secretary of defense if you were on active duty in the last seven years. congress would have to pass a waiver to that law in order to approve him for that job. we've got a little bit of breaking news. democratic u.s. senator kirsten gillibrand has just put out a statement saying while i deeply oppose mattis, i will oppose a waiver. i will not vote for an exception to this rule. we'll see if that catches on, but that could be a big deal for a big nomination. that does it for us. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. now. >> congress voted for one exception to this rule in 1950. and what they did, they said, this better never happen again. >> right, it's like a signing statement, saying we're doing this now, but it should never happen again.
it will be tested. >> once for george marshall, that's it. thank you very much, rachel. donald trump made news tonight announcing his choice for defense secretary. the only problem is, there is a law in place that prevents donald trump's choice from becoming defense secretary. former labor secretary robert reich is here to talk about the jobs that donald trump claims he saved today in indiana and the jobs in the very same factory in indiana that are still scheduled to move to mexico in complete defiance of donald trump's powers of persuasion, but first, a look at donald trump's first post-election rally tonight. >> what are we going to do? we're going to make america great again, you watch. although we did have a lot of fun fighting hillary, didn't we? we won in a landslide.
that was a landslide. there's no way that donald trump can break the blue wall, right? we didn't break it, we shattered that sucker. they don't know that hillary lost a couple of weeks ago. they forgot. do you agree with my stance? that if people burn the american flag, there should be consequences. are we doing a good job with our cabinet and our people? a billionaire at commerce. well, that's because this guy knows how to make money, folks. we are going to appointment mad dog mattis as our secretary of defense. today we have only 12.3 million manufacturing jobs left in the rust belt. we're going to bring them back. we're going to bring them back. anything we want for our country is now possible.
>> it is impossible to imagine donald trump ever reading orwell, he has after all confessed to not being a book reader, but donald trump's presidency now promises to be flawlessly orwellian. he knows something that no president before him has ever known, because before no president before donald trump has it ever been true. what donald trump knows is if he says it, it is true, meaning it is true to donald trump voters, and it also means it is partially true to most of the american news media. and so when donald trump goes to indiana today to congratulate a company that is moving 1300 jobs to mexico against donald trump's wishes, he says he is there because the company has agreed not to move an additional 800 jobs to mexico. and so donald trump calls that a victory and pundits on cable news say it's a victory, and headlines will say donald trump saved jobs in indiana, and somewhere down in the body of
the news stories, there will be reporting on the number of jobs that the company is still moving to mexico, very much against trump's wishes. donald trump made an effort to stop over 2,000 jobs from going to mexico, and he failed. 1300 of those jobs are going to mexico. donald trump got about 40% of what he was trying to get in that deal, and if you get 40% right on an exam, you get a failing grade. today donald trump gave himself an a for getting 440%, and his supporters are probably giving him an a plus. it's true because he says it's true. hillary clinton got 2.5 more million votes than donald trump, but he told his supporters tonight at a rally in ohio that he won a landslide. he used that word landslide, in that room it was true. it was a landslide.
donald trump won in the landslide, because donald trump said he won in a landslide. we have never been here before in our politics. never. tonight donald trump said he's going to bring our manufacturing jobs back from foreign countries. and his audience believed him. no one at the rally yelled out a question about when he's going to bring back those necktie making jobs from china, the place where donald trump has his gaudy line of neckties made, because he does not even want to pay the minimum wage to american workers to make those neckties. even though the united states of america has dozens of necktie factories. donald trump did make news tonight at his rally when he confirmed something already reported in the washington post. >> i will not tell you that one of our great, great generals -- don't let it outside, right?
and of course the press is very honest. they'll never let this go. even though it's all live, they've got about seven stations live. we are going to appoint mad dog mattis as our secretary of defense. but we're not announcing it till monday, so don't tell anybody. mad dog. he's great. he is great. >> retired general james mattis does have another nickname, "warrior monk." because he is a lifetime bachelor. when you give donald trump a choice of nicknames, mad dog or warrior monk, which one do you think he picks? probably he'll have a difficult road ahead for senate confirmation, because as i said it is against the law for a
secretary of defense to have served in the military in the previous seven years. there's actually been one exception to that law since it was first enacted in 1947. and that was for george c. marshall appointed in 1950. and when congress approved the bill, they included a line saying how this should never, ever be granted again. it was the sense of the congress that after general marshall leaves the office of defense, no additional appointments should be approved. new york senator kerr stin gillibrand said she was opposed to an exception for general mattis. joining us now, joy reid, she is the host of a.m. joy, also with us, sam, mad dog stein. >> no. warrior monk stein.
>> sam, the monk guy, senior politics editor. at the huffington post. and ana marie cox. the esteemed. >> mad cat, mad kitty. >> where to begin. so the rallies have started. the guy who won with rallies is now back on the rally stage, where he calls home. >> yeah, you know, i half expected him to regale the crowd about how he saved the nfl, or how he saved delta airlines by buying the eastern shuttle and then destroying it and having to get rid of it and there by opening up the eastern corridor between new york and d.c. and making delta more profitable. it's really remarkable the way
donald trump spins failure. and to your point, i'm really glad you said it. because he doesn't talk, anything he tweets becomes reality for much of the media, which is credulously reports what have he says as if it was true. so the carrier deal is exactly as you explained it. the removal of 1300 jobs, not just those 1300, but carrier has another facility not that far away that's also moving to mexico. so he was able to spin that, and then this idea that he's doing this thank you tour, and he goes to one of the parts of ohio that he lost. so he wasn't even in a part of ohio that he won. so the ability of this guy to spin failures. i guess you have to call it remarkable. >> i'm going to make mad dog stew a little while i go to ana. >> warrior monk. >> the beard is the warrior monk thing.
>> this problem that we have in the coverage, which is, as joy pointed out, donald trump can just tweet that he's saving jobs in indiana, and there will be a headline, certainly online instantly and a lot of the tv screens will have something quoting him, it will be in quotes, you know, donald trump saving jobs, but that's the message that gets delivered out there, and the inside of that story is something that never gets the same exposure as whatever donald trump decides the headline is, because donald trump is now writing these headlines, not the media. >> how do you even keep up, right? i mean, how do you decide, which, if you're going to put lie in the headline, how do you decide which lie to put. because there were many in that speech. you know, hundreds of thousands of refugees pouring into our borders? there are less than 100,000, actually. as i'm sure everyone on the panel knows. the fact that there's a crime wave, there's no crime wave.
that crime is mostly down except in some cities, that's true. i found this speech, we can laugh about it, and there are parts of it that are absurd, but in the end, i'm terrified, quite frankly. he is laying out the kinds of language and the kinds of policies that, you know, that lead to a police state. i mean, he's talking about an invisible crime wave, putting people in jail for expressing their first amendment rights, the press being untrustworthy. it's fact of fascism to traffic in this kind of lies. to make the truth unclear, to say that there is no truth, to make the truth something that you fight about. that is something that happens in undemocratic states. that's how undemocratic states happen. as absurd as this all is, i really don't want to lose sight of the fact that there are very serious consequence for losing our grip on reality. >> yeah, that's a very important point.
trump will always say things that are absurd, and in our discussion of them, we're going to smile, and we're going to laugh at certain moments. by the way, you can't go to an irish wake without seeing smiles and laughter. it's a way of dealing with grim situations. but that is one of the challenges here is balancing everything about this coverage, including the tone. >> sure, and i think the most important thing that was said all day today actually came in the appearance he gave at the carrier plant where he was explaining why it was that he felt that he had to go make this deal. the explanation was, when he was on the trail and talking about saving this plant, he didn't think he was speaking literally. he said i never actually meant that i was going to do this, and then some light bulb went off on top of his head, and he realized >> he said he saw it on lester holt's show, the evening new, someone thinking about it in
indiana thinking that donald trump was going to save the plant and that made him think he ought to try. >> if you're optimist, you can say he's up there making stuff up about crime and refugees, and he doesn't believe it. he doesn't speak literally. then i look at it another way, which is if you speak unliterally, if you are spreadsing false its, and you get people's hopes up and go and do policies to make sure you don't these people down, then i'm trying to figure out where the trump presidency's going to go. >> for example he doesn't really mean that he wants to ban muslims from entering the country, but he said it, and he saw a guy on tv saying he said it, so now he better do it. >> you have, if you go back and remember when there was the story that donald trump's son went to john kasich, the governor of ohio and said if you will be trump's vp, you'll be
running everything, he's just going to go around the country making america great again. i think what you saw today was the real living out of what is probably going to be the default way the trump administration operates. donald trump didn't actually do anything. mike pence, the current sitting governor of indiana simply handed over millions of dollars in indiana state tax credits and tax breaks to carrier in order to temporarily, we don't even know what the terms of it are. are they going to lose their health insurance? how do they choose who gets -- mike pence did the actual deal. keep your stadium in our city, don't move it to another city deal. but because it is sidelined, the pence wing is picking whatever billionaires they want to execute the tax cuts and the corporate tax cuts for their friends, but the trump wing, the bannonite wing still needs something to do. he likes to go to rallies and receive the adulation of his
fans. build the wall, lock her up, he gets them whipped up. but pence is married to somehow executing those policies. i don't think there's almost any limit to what trump fans will believe and what they'll accept and what they'll go along with. but at some point what he's saying at some of those rallies, some of those things are going to have to happen. >> he just needs 49 more governors. before we break this segment, i want to go to one thing that may become a perennial. and that is about flag burning. let's listen to what he said about it tonight. >> you know, a lot of the people that protested, we said, did you vote? no, i didn't vote. they don't vote. they never vote. and do you agree with my stance?
that if people burn the american flag there should be consequences. >> now, a crowd that size, there might be a few vfw members in it, veterans of foreign wars. i happen to have the guidelines for disposal of flags. first of all, they would like you to fold it in the customary manner and the fire to be sufficient enough in intensity to ensure complete burning of the flag. that is a quotation from the vfw manual on how to dispose of a flag. the only honorable way to do it is to burn it, which non-veteran doesn't seem to know, sam stein. >> a nice bit of research you did there. >> i think we're going to be hearing this for a while. >> this is such a funny thing, too and says a lot about trump. apaintly, this whole crusade happened because he saw a segment on fox and friends at 6:25 in the morning.
>> your point again. >> if this is how you get your ideas from cable news, unless it's this show of course, that's not a smart way to go about governing. he really likes to have some kind of cause, some crusade, something to be agitated about and to whip people up in a frenzy. and these proxy culture war battles like flag burning, so i think this is going to be a four-year thing, every now and then we'll have this thing we're supposed to be mad about that has no broader pertinence to society. >> sam, the thoughtful monk gets the last word. >> coming up, hillary clinton's vote total grows after a big shift of votes in the pennsylvania count. and, as we showed tonight, donald trump not only is bothered by it, is forced to
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hillary clinton's lead over donald trump is now more than 2.5million votes according to the cook political report. and donald trump's margin got smaller today after philadelphia updated its vote tally. donald trump now leads hillary clinton by about 46,000 votes in pennsylvania. that number matters, because green party candidate jill stein got about 49,000. her margin is now larger than the number of votes separating donald trump and hillary clinton in those states. if hillary clinton had won those three states, she would be the president-elect. joining us, elysse, he comes in, on the verge of describable as a distant second. and today's vote world. he tells his people it's a landslide. they seem to think it's a landslide. congress doesn't think it's a landslide.
>> it's a battle of perception. you say it enough times. >> for him it's only once. >> and he's going to keep saying it over and over and over. tonight, the speech was interesting in that it started out actually in a quite hopeful tone. i thought he was talking about indiana, jobs, he was talking about a better economy for all americans. and then he just went off on this tangent about the media. and it all went downhill, normal trump rally style. he's not going to change when it comes to controlling his message. he had the real opportunity to make this night about indiana and general mattis, a hugely respected military figure on both sides of the aisle, and yet the take away is flag burning, the media are devils. >> he clearly had written material that he varied with from time to time. i want to listen to what he said about hillary clinton which, from his crowd managed to get "lock her up" going again.
>> i'm going to discuss our action plan to make america great again. we're going to discuss. [cheers and applause] although we did have a lot of fun fighting hillary, didn't we? [cheers and applause] right? [ crowd shouts "lock her up" ] >> ana, they're chanting "lock her up", to a guy who's said he's not going to lock her up, even though he promised to lock her up back when he was asking for their votes. >> oh, but wait until he sees this clip being played on fox&friends, right? >> yes, according to the previous theory, yeah. yeah. >> right, he will now have to lock her up.
and we will become one of those countries where the new person in power locks up the previous regime. and that is also, that's known as a banana republic. again, i have to sort of come back to there are interesting things to talk about here, but it is all slightly terrifying to me, even sort of the idea that this is a battle of perception over whether or not he has a mandate or whether or not he won in a landslide. it's not a perception. there are a number of votes that we can tell him he lost by in terms of the popular vote, right? there's not a perception of whether or not he has fewer votes among americans that voted, right? you know, i was thinking, like, we almost saw the debut of president trump, right? that's what it felt like he might have started with as elysse was saying, a more hopeful tone. but it occurred to me, they say, you know, trump did not campaign in poetry. he will not govern in prose. i mean, he campaigned in tweets, and he will govern in tweets.
and that is it. like that is his thought process. he may speak for hours at a time, but he thinks in 140 characters, and that's the kind of policy we're going to get. >> i want to go back to that point he made about as he put it, one of the moderators of the debates crying. let's look at what martha raddatz actually had to say the night of the election. >> tim kaine has a son in the marine corps, he was asked, so if donald trump is democratically elected and your son is serving as a marine, you wouldn't trust his life under that commander in chief? and kaine said i wouldn't. that's a pretty extraordinary thing to say if you have a son in the marine corps and you don't trust the commander in chief. people in the military defend the constitution. >> that's the moment that joy remembers more than any other. >> donald trump is a person who
you and i have had lots of conversations with tony schwartz. he was a person without empathy. remember donald trump who did not serve his country, who was the correct age, got five deferments, was never asked about it by the way during the entirety of the campaign. no one ever asked him to defend the fact that he's never sacrificed nick. >> not one opportunity to interview him had him walk us through the deferments. now bill clinton when he ran in 1992, who also avoided service. which is what most men were doing. bill clinton had to go through every step of what he did, and he couldn't be proud of every step of what he did because of stuff that looked deceptive, but he was dragged through every part of that. >> every man who's run for
president since the vietnam era has had to account for the vietnam era. donald trump was never asked about it, unlike tim kaine or mike pence, none of his family have served. they've essentially been a family whose entire service has been to themselves, their own pocket books, their own egos, their own needs. and for any journalist to dare to not be elated that donald trump will be their president is intollerable to him. it triggers him to be reminded that hillary clinton beat him in the popular vote, because just the idea of being beaten, bested by a woman and any woman, not, absolutely being in awe of him triggeres and bothers him. this is a needy, narcissistic man who is not a man who understands and can conceptionualize sacrifice for one's country, so yeah, if i had a son or daughter in the
military, i would be concerned. caitlyn dawson was talking about the fact that anything with trump's name on it around the world becomes a target. if i'm in the military, i don't want that to be my child's mission, to defend the name of trump, the person of the state. that isn't what we are as americans. >> elise jordan, you get the last word in this round. >> wow, heavy and dark. i really wonder, though, how long he can continue to keep having days like today where he had the carrier moment. was it a one-of? can he keep pulling it off? i kept thinking they were setting these sky-high expectations and that was the mistake of the night. now after the train wreck second half of the speech, i'm not even sure. >> joy reid, ana marie cox, elise jordan, thank you for joining us. coming up, former labor secretary robert reach will go through the art of the deal. i thought i married an italian.
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united technologies and carrier stepped it up. and now they're keeping, actually the number's over 1100 people, which is so great, which is so great. and they're going to spend so much money on renovating this plant, but we're going to have a lot of phone calls to companies when they say they're thinking about leaving this country, they're not leaving this country, and the workers are going to keep their jobs.
>> you would never know from listening to donald trump today that 1300 people there at that plant are going to lose their jobs because those jobs are being moved to a plant in mexico. that is the real news of the day at that plant, but he was there to celebrate, as he put it, that over 1,100 people were not going to lose their jobs, even though that isn't true. he is obviously embarrassed that carrier is only leaving 800 jobs at that plant, 800 jobs that they previously considered moving to mexico. but that's not a big enough sounding number to donald trump, so he just lies and adds a couple hundred to it. and he did not get carrier to keep those jobs in indiana by threatening to impose tariffs. he got them to do it by providing a massive advertisement for carrier on tv
today, including the advertisement that carrier is getting right now, right here, as i speak these words about carrier, today's free tv ads for carrier were worth tens of millions of dollars. there is no u.s. company that could possibly have afforded to spend the money to purchase the tv time on all of the national tv networks, on all of the local tv stations around the country, all that tv time that carrier got today for free. carrier also got $7 million directly from the government of indiana, which at the moment happens to be headed by donald trump's vice president to be, indiana governor mike pence, so the trump deal was to pay carrier, to pay carrier, to keep only 40% of those jobs in indiana. and carrier doesn't have to keep them there forever. and that's what donald trump calls winning. joining us now, robert reich, former labor secretary of state under president clinton. he's current at the university
of california at berkley and is the author of "saving capitalism for the many, not the few." can you grade the deal paper that donald trump gave us today? >> it's like a c minus or a d. it's not big of a deal. i don't want to sound like an ingreat. there are jobs that were saved. and those 800 jobs are important to those 800 people, and let's be clear about that. but donald trump did give away a lot, not just the free publicity, and not just the $7 million, but also carrier is a company that has a parent called united technologies. united technologies is a major military contractor. donald trump is planning a huge military buildup. and you can bet that there's going to be some quid pro quo there. in addition, united technologies has about $6 billion parked
overseas in tax jurisdictions that actually provide very low taxes, and united technologies is very hopeful that there's going to be a deal struck to repatriate that money back to the united states at very, very low tax rates. and you can bet that that was also in the background of this deal. >> the, there are many things about the deal that are peculiar to say the least, and you couldn't replicate them in other situations like this around the country. and also, the very tiny number of jobs here that was involved. what president obama did for example with the auto industry, saving over a million jobs never got the kind of media splash that these 800 jobs got today. >> well, that's right, and don't forget, i mean donald trump is a showman. he is a barnum & bailey put together.
so if he saves 800 jobs it's going to be a big deal, and he's going to be in a stadium and in a big rally and talk about it forever. but you're absolutely right. as an economic matter, if he tries to use the same techniques as the art of the deal to save every manufacturing job that night leave the united states, that is going to be a 24-hour job for president trump. >> let's listen to what he said today about where he will allow companies to move and take and move the jobs away. >> they can leave from state to state. and they can negotiate good deals with all the states and all of that. but leaving the country's going to be very, very difficult. >> so when they leave from higher-wage states to lower-wage non-unionized states where they can cut labor costs dramatically, why don't those workers who lose their jobs in that transaction have a complaint? >> well, that's a good question. they will have a complaint.
they will have lost their jobs, obviously, but donald trump will probably say, well, from the standpoint of making america great, not making new york state or making illinois great, but making america great, we are preserving jobs, even though the jobs pay less, we're theoretically preserving jobs. but there's also something else going on here, lawrence, and that is he brought on as his treasury secretary a fella named steve mnuchin who has spent much of his life putting pressure on companies from wall street to actually cut their pay rolls, to cut their jobs. to move jobs ashore. because pay rolls, jobs, are the biggest single cost that these companies in the united states face. and every wall street investment analyst and investor has been pushing these companies to get rid of jobs. so here we have, and wilbur ross is coming in as the commerce
secretary has been doing such the same thing in the bankruptcy arena. so you have his economic, trump's economic kind of key players, have been the ones who have been pushing this whole notion of getting jobs down, getting jobs out of the country or replacing them with technology. >> robert reich, thank you very much for joining us tonight, really appreciate it. >> thanks. >> up next, there are 704 days until the next congressional elections, and democrats are already plotting how the trump presidency can help them win back the congress.
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[cheers and applause] we didn't break it. we shattered that sucker. we shattered it. >> what happened to that blue wall, and can it be rebuilt? joining us now, cornell belcher, of brilliant research and strategies. he is the author of the new book "a black man in the white house." as the votes keep coming in and being count, and you see the three states that donald trump just mentioned, he won in each one of those states by less than 1% of the vote, and margins that are getting narrower in these final counts every day. so it seems like at best there were some very tiny chips in the top of the blue wall that needed to be repaired, and maybe the only repair you need is a candidate who's not subject to fbi investigation in the last couple of weeks of a campaign
where you get hit with two different fbi public statements about that candidate. >> well, a couple things. one is, and thanks for having me on, lawrence. i love your show. one is, the outcome of the, of the race was catastrophic for a lot of, for a lot of people. but if you get inside and look internally, this is not a sea change election. quite frankly, if you look at where he is right now, he doesn't even have the vote that mitt romney got, right? so what you do have is you do have, you know, the fraying of that democratic sort of obama coalition, particularly those younger voters. and the democrats have to work really hard right now. and there's a lot of conversation in the democratic party about whether they double down and go after more blue collar white voters or as i would argue do they in fact try to completely realize that the barack obama coalition, barack obama won back to back, you know, majorities here.
and it's not like, you know, so we should, you know, spend more resources going after a shrinking, more resistant, you know, swath of the marketplace, or should we in fact go after expanding less resistant swaths of the marketplace. and you all talked about it earlier tonight. if you look at where hillary was off from holding the barack obama margins with certain voters, if you look at, you know, younger african-americans and younger latino voters, 8 to 9% of them in some of these battleground states protested their vote, rejected both candidates saying i'm not going lesser of two evils and going to the third party, that's the margin of her losing, so wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, ohio, you have him winning basically with the
romney coalition, which shouldn't be a winning coalition if in fact we can hold together that obama coalition that depends heavily on what america, young america looks like, which is a browner, younger, more diverse swath of the electorate. >> cornell belcher, thank you for joining us tonight. his new book is "a black man in the white house." barack obama and the triggering of america's racial aversion crisis. coming up, the looming crisis at standing rock.
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this is an election about truth. and you're not going to get it from the dishonest media. they are the most dishonest people on earth, okay? i get knock but bad press from the dishonest media. it is absolutely disgraceful. the world's most dishonest people are back there. look at all the cameras going. the people back there, the extremely dishonest press. >> the last that you just heard was donald trump attacking the media tonight at his rally in ohio. the news media is now transitioning from a challenge
that it never mastered, covering the trump for president campaign to a new more important challenge, covering the trump presidency. joining us, founder and ceo of axios. msnbc is a media partner of axios. one of the items tonight is the secretary of state sweepstakes has two more names on it, the current ceo of exxon and former ceo of exxon, the correspondent ceo, rex tellerson, lee raymond. for secretary of state. this is an extraordinary departure from the people that donald trump has already been considering, and no word yet whether any of them have been officially dropped out of the running in order to make room for these guys. >> yeah, it's really been an extraordinary process, right? especially the one for secretary of state where it's almost like a reality show, and there's a different contestant who seems to be in the running each and every day. you do have these new candidates largely because there's been opposition for, i think he would
have liked to gone with rudy giuliani, but there's controversy around him, mitt romney. it's hard to tell how much of it is real and how much of it is, again, the pageantry part of it. he clearly is enamored with the idea of romney. but there's so much opposition to him. and then there's a lot of folks on the hill pushing for petraeus. so my guess is, with a lot of this stuff, it's very hard to tell which direction trump will go in, because it's a mix of impulse and improvisation. >> there was always a certain rationale. you can hear a name and you go oh, i get why that name is on the list. we don't get why some of these names are on the list, and that's a challenge to how the media evaluates this stuff. >> no doubt. it's going to take us a while to figure out, what does this cabinet mean? what do these picks mean? every day, you say that's a
hard-liner ahardliner, a predict and then he'll surprise you and go with a pick that has democratic tendencies in the past. petraeus, the democrats love him, the military loves him. there's some days you'll see the things that scare people. there's other days you see where he goes with priebus as chief of staff and he didn't undercut ryan when he could have. >> good luck on new venture, jim. >> thank you. appreciate it. > msnbc coverage continues into "the 11th hour" with brian williams. the campaign has been over for almost a month. > msnbc coverage continues into "the 11th hour" with brian williams. the campaign has been over for almost a month. the president-elect is still in fighting mode. also the shouting match