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deadly warehouse fire in oakland, california. the death toll stands at nine this morning, but officials fear that number may go up with at least two dozen people still missing. we're also learning more about the two-story building where the fire happened. it was an artist work space and illegal for a dozen residents. they say the structure was cluttered with wooden objects. as many as 50 people were partying when the fire broke out. to steve patterson outside the warehouse for us this sunday morning. what is the situation like right there? >> good morning. i can't show it to you right now, but you can probably hear it if you listen close. what happens right now is a team of structural engineers has cut a hole inside the west side of this structure to help get inside there, and what they have done is they basically brought in the big guns, excavators to help them aid with this recovery process. we have been saying as this
story started breaking, this structure, a logistical nightmare for teens trying to get inside there, so they're bringing everything to the scene that will help. miguel almaguer filed this story about that process and the harrowing scene from last night. i want to play that for you right now. blaze so explosive, firefighters forced to pull back from the inferno. the fully engulfed warehouse hosting an underground dance party, becoming a death trap for those unable to escape the blinding, billowing smoke and shooting flames. many of those inside young and feared dead. like 22-year-old alex vega and his girlfriend. >> if my brother is there, i want to find him. >> a look inside the warehouse known as the ghost ship before the fire shows a building
cluttered with wooden furniture, antiques and a maze of lumber that may have been difficult to escape. >> it was a very creative, beautiful place, but also, you know, very dangerous too. so for a fire. >> witnesses say the tinder box, allegedly converted into lofts for artists, had one makeshift stair well, made of pallets used to reach the second floor where some victims were found. >> it all happened really quick, like the fire went up really, really quickly. >> the fire department says the building has no sprinkler system, smoke alarms or permits for residential living. >> there are a lot of questions that are being asked and a lot of answers we're looking to find. >> with city officials launching an investigation into the warehouse just weeks ago, for illegal interior building structure and other complaints, the owner's daughter reportedly
told the l.a. times they didn't know people were living inside the art collective. this morning, the investigation into this tragic fire just beginning. and so is the heart break. that was our miguel almaguer reporting. part of the interesting part of this process that we're in now with the heavy machinery that is inside there, that team of engineers is that they have to be so careful, so sensitive in handling the scene. right now we're still in that recovery phase, the team doing the tough work of going inside there, identifying, finding bodies. but we're going to move in to quickly the investigation phase and they need a lot of what the debris is like in there to remain the way it is, which is a very tricky situation. this recovery phase, by the way, could last another 24, 36, 48 hours as the teams continue to do their work. we're going to have another press conference in twhouro hou. we should hear more as the investigation goes. >> a long way for those that
still waiting to get word about their loved ones. let's go politics and change of course in the green party, the election recount bid. jill stein's campaign says it will take its case in pennsylvania to federal court tomorrow. just yesterday afternoon lawyers dropped the request in state court saying the campaign would not be able to meet tomorrow's deadline for a $1 million bond. later today, a hearing held to determine when the recount in michigan can start, this as the recount in wisconsin enters its second week. she's heading to new york for a rally at trump tower said for tomorrow. a source close to the president-elect's team tells the associated press it is considering jon huntsman, former ambassador to china and 2012 presidential candidate, for secretary of state. huntsman was among trump's critics during the campaign and called for him to drop out in the wake of the tape, showing him making lewd comments about women. let's bring in kelly o'donnell reporting from trump tower on
this sunday for us. good morning to you. what is on the president-elect's schedule for today? >> well, we expect it is going to be quiet in terps ms of a puc schedule. we think they'll remain inside trump tower according to aides and there is much more to do, whether he's doing some of that behind the scenes or taking a bit of a quiet day, we don't know for sure. there are some of those big high profile jobs in the cabinet, still to be filled. but over the weekend, there was time for a little something extra. and the president-elect was in party mode. >> donald trump attended a villains and heroes themed costume party saturday at the long island home of hedge fund manager and trump backer robert mercer. aides said trump went as the 45th president. top adviser kellyanne conway as a woman of steel. but the fun comes amid the fallout over trump's controversial phone call with taiwan's president.
china state tv. reported that trump called to millions of viewers as an affront to u.s. china policy, which does not recognize taiwan. asia experts say taking the call was risky. >> it does suggest we have a president-elect coming in who is very unfamiliar with some of the diplomatic challenges the united states faces. >> allies say even with delicate diplomacy, trump will go his own way. >> donald trump is a different type leader and that's part of what he's been doing, talking to the leadership many pakistan and the philippines and leaders all over the world. he's showing an open door. >> but a caution light was on saturday, at the reagan laborry, whe . >> there is no question but what mr. putin is a very dangerous man. >> trump is still looking for his own top diplomat, a secretary of state.
after high profile meetings with mitt romney, rudy giuliani, david petraeus and bob corker. sources familiar with the trump search say he intends to interview other prospects as well. and the decision will take more time. and so advisers tell met decision could come this week, but they're also preparing us for it to take more time to do those additional interviews as trump continues his search. now, we shod you how he was out on the town going to that important party last night for a big donor and supporter of his. then he came back and did a little tweeting, saying he was trying to watch saturday night live, but he did not like the alec baldwin impersonation of him and that was a sketch that sort of said, trump was already claiming some successes before taking office. and then this morning, so he was up late, but up early as well. and today he's done a series of tweets that deal with basically headline where he says the u.s. is open for business, talking
about some of the taxes and penalties for businesses that might take jobs or manufacturing overseas. so last night it was about the parody of him on "snl." today, starting sunday talking a bit more about policy, but, again, all via twitter. >> i don't know. i've got to think the more he tweets about alec baldwin, the longer he secures that job on "snl." that's just me. but okay. kelly o'donnell, thank you so much. joining me is amy parnes, she's in the middle of writing a second book on hillary clinton and the campaign. let's get right to the recount efforts. as the stein campaign keeps moving the goal poston the recount funds. it just met the $7 million goal last week. now raised 9.5 million bucks. when the lawyers say they can't afford this $1 million bond in pennsylvania, does that make sense to you? >> it does a little bit. while they're still raising
money, they're still short of it, they're claiming that, you know, the state courts didn't quite understand them, it makes it hard for the people to have their say here, so i think you're going to keep hearing them say this, it is why they have taken it to federal court, they feel like they'll have a bigger platform there and hopefully will have, you know, so -- make some inroads. i think it still, as it has always been, remains a long shot of long shots for this to proceed. >> what do you think the endgame is here, what is the goal to all of this? and what do you think hillary clinton supporters think of all of it? are they on board? >> i've been speaking to a lot of them in recent days. i think a lot of them aren't on board. secretly they are. i think they kind of want an end to this, i think, and they want to move forward. and they're trying to beef up -- the party is trying to beef up the anti-trumpness now and you're seeing that more so than taking the recount road.
i think they're ready to sort of go back to the drawing board, start working on their party. where they went wrong, there is a lot of finger pointing happening behind the scenes, so i think they have their work cut out for them and that's where they need to focus their aim. >> how about the obvious bitterness from the clinton camp during the harvard kennedy school, the election post mortem earlier this week. i guess suggested it is because clinton camp has consisted of campaign professionals, embarrassed by losing to trump, going to go down in history as the team that lost to him. what is your sense of how they're processing the loss. >> they are a lot of them are in mourning right now. i've been hearing from a lot of them right now as my co-author john allen and i are writing the book. they're still racking their minds around how this went wrong and a lot of them are still -- excuse me, thinking about where this went wrong and, you know, was it comey, was it various -- was it analytics, other reasons, so i think right now you're hearing them sort of come to
terms with that, and try to move forward. there is a lot of finger pointing going on. i think a lot of people wanted to take a different tact. and there is a lot of second guessing happening. so what we saw play out at harvard doesn't surprise me at all. i think there is still raw emotions, still stings for a lot of people. a lot of them had really anticipated going to the white house. i think most of them did. and were planning their -- their careers and so right now they're unemployed and trying to plan the future. >> in terms of that second guessing, though, is there any looking back and thinking we should have done more campaign events. she was off the trail, certainly as compared to donald trump, for big stretches of time. >> yeah. and i think there is a lot of that. there is a lot of polling questioning too, how could they not see somewhere like, you know, a blue state like pennsylvania that hadn't gone to the republicans since 1988, you know, how they let that go. county like erie county turning
red is, you know, a big question mark to them. how did that happen? there is a lot of that. there is a lost finger pointing saying there were different tacts taken by different people within the campaign and people butted heads and so i think you're going to see a lot of this sort of play out. i think a lot of them are taking vacation right now. trying to focus on relaxing a little bit, but i think there is still behind the scenes a lot of that going on. >> i'm curious, you broke that story of the president urging secretary clinton to concede when it became apparent she had lost. what is the reaction to that? >> was a nondenial denial from the white house, but my co-author john allen and i feel confident about our reporting. we heard that from three senior hillary clinton aides, behind the scenes there hasn't been much reported on it. we got a glimpse into what was happening, you know they send john podesta out to the javits center in a very kind of dramatic feel and behind the scenes president obama is calling secretary clinton and
saying, you know, it might be time to concede, and she basically admits it and says, yes, i should, and tells an aide, calls and is very cordial to donald trump. we're seeing a glimpse of what went on behind the scenes and the confusion that was happening. i think a lot of clinton aides wanted this to play out into the morning. and not concede right away. so that's something that is happening as well. >> i can't wait to read all about this in your book, out in the spring. thank you for taking time. you have to get off the set and get back to writing. another deadline. thank you. appreciate it. why is newt gingrich comparing mitt romney to a scene from pretty woman. i love my shop,
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what donald trump did yesterday and talking to the taiwanese president is the kind of loose cannon behavior that got the word on very, very shaky -- >> well, that was democratic congressman john yarmouth adding fuel to the fire. joining me now, steve cortez, good to see you. thank you for joining me. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to get your reaction to the comment. was this loose cannon behavior? how do you explain the way donald trump launched this controversy? is there not a better way to approach foreign policy? >> i don't think there is much of a controversy. there may be for the chinese, by the way. but taiwan is a country with long-standing relationships. we sold them a whole bunch of weapons, this current administration. to me, that is, if anything, probably more provocative than a phone call. it ruffles feathers in beijing. beijing needs to know there say new sheriff in town in the
united states and whether it comes to trade or security issues, we are not going to necessarily take direction from beijing. and i think you'll find the united states both economically and in national security is far more assertive and more muscular in some ways. we don't want to provoke anything. i don't think a phone call is going to start any kind of hot conflicts, we have to be wary of protocol, but the same time, donald trump has shown us on the campaign trail and i think will show us in the warehouse he'll be a different kind of leader. >> i think he's very aware. he's taken a lot of heat for his candid conversations with some of the leaders of the world. again, he's going to speak to world leaders in a different way than the state department does. but you know who else does that? ronald reagan. he went to berlin and he ordered mr. gorbachev or dared him to tear down the wall, the state department was against that. from the foreign policy leiticy
mr. trump, i think, again, is going to have a more muscular vision of america's role in the world and america first policy that at times will ruffle feathers but always in america's interest. >> let's listen to what former u.s. ambassador to china jon huntsman said about this call. here it is. >> the issue should be this. does taiwan deserve a little more space? we share values. we have a big economy. we trade, they have a civil society that is large and robust and mature. and we ought to be giving them more space. and if that kind of comes out of this whole discussion that people recognize that taiwan may be a little different than they thought, then maybe that should kind of create a template for the way that the new trump administration sees the region. >> and that would suggest an update to u.s. policy here. today we're also hearing as you know in a report from the associated press that man there, jon huntsman, is being considered among those for secretary of state. how would you feel about him
becoming secretary of state? >> you know, it would be surprising to me to be perfectly honest. it would be surprising if he picked someone who was critical often of donald trump during the campaign trail. that is also up to the president-elect. i argued with a lot of my fellow trump partisans up in armeds that romney, for instance, is being considered for that post. i argued with them we have to have confidence in our man, in our leader. if president-elect trump decides that he needs someone who wasn't necessarily a loyalist, who wasn't in the tent during the campaign, but decides he needs them and that america needs them in a leadership position, i'm fine with that. i think that one reason why we can rest easy, those of us who supported mr. trump in the campaign, is that he has already assembled a core team who were intensely loyal to him during the campaign and i think will have his ear most closely when it comes to matters of foreign policy. >> let's listen to what newt gingrich is saying about him. >> a scene in pretty woman,
where richard gear goes up to the salesman and says we need a little sucking up here. you have never, ever in your career seen a serious adult who is wealthy, independent, has been a presidential nominee, suck up at the rate that mitt romney is sucking up. >> ouch. what is behind this kind of loathing? >> i never thought i would be on national television defending mitt rmny. he was a thorn in my side and everybody involved in the trump campaign for the last eight months or so i was having to deflect his criticisms of mr. trump. then candidate trump. i'll tell you this, i'm going to defend him here against -- i have a lot of respect for the former speaker mr. gingrich. i think both mr. romney and the president-elect, i think they have shown us by their behavior, by having several substantive meetings, they have shown us that they're putting the country and patriotism far above whatever personal differences
they had, all be them significant ones, during the campaign. i give a lot of credit, both to governor romney and to the president-elect. eventually, again, i would also be surprised here. this is a trump partisan. as a campaign insider. i would be surprised if he selects mr. romney. if he does, if he believes that's the best interest of the united states, i give him my support. >> still ahead, former nfl player shot dead during an apparent road rage incident. the sadness and pain his mother and sister are sharing with others.
laid flowers and a teddy bear at the spot where the former nfl running back was killed in an apparent road rage incident. his mother in shock. >> i just couldn't believe that my child was going and he didn't really ask for that. >> reporter: his sister missing the younger brother. >> he always made sure he never lost that big kid in him, and you could see the videos with his son, he's running around with his son like he never lost his step. he's our brother. our protector. so he will keep protecting us no matter where. >> reporter: this morning, the man who investigators say admitted to shooting mcknight is free. authorities leased him from custody on friday saying they need to conduct a thorough investigation before deciding what if anything he will be charged with. >> this investigation is not going to be moved, influenced,
coerced, changed, in any way by any external force. >> reporter: according to the jefferson parrish sheriff, gasser was involved in another incident at the same intersection ten years ago. the alleged victim in 2006 told officials gasser punched him several times after he tried to report him for unsafe driving. charges were ultimately dropped. amid the shock of mcknight's death, growing frustration. >> we think a black man was -- we are demanding answers. >> reporter: answers a heart broken family waits for as well. >> we just want things to be taken care of. we just want my brother to rest in peace. >> reporter: sara dallof, louisiana. final good-bye, the scene in cuba for the burial of fidel castro. a live report coming your way next. does your child need help with digestive balance? try align junior probiotic. so she can have a fraction dominating... status updating... hello-yellow-belt kind of day.
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31 past the hour, here's what we're monitoring for you. excavating equipment is now deployed at the oakland warehouse in efforts to reach an untold number of bodies trapped in rubble. rescue crews cut a big hole on the side of the blding for better access. nine bodies have been recovered. but authorities believe as many as 25 people are unaccounted for in that fire. happening now in cuba, fidel castro's remains arrived at the cemetery in santiago for burial. morgan radford is there for us. good day to you. what is the latest from santiago? >> good morning. this morning at 7:00 a.m., those ashes were placed inside of a rock and over that rock there was a plaque and it red definite -- fidel's definition of the revolution. a definition that he gave during a speech in havana of may of 2000. last night, world leaders packed this stage right here behind me and talked about not only fidel's legacy for cuba, but also the legacy for their countries. we're talking about the presence
of namibia, bolivia. but as they spoke, people wept openly in the streets. take a listen. >> i'm so sad. my president. i feel in my heart that fidel is alive and the cuban people, the cuban child, in the cuban -- like me. my english is not good, but i want to say fidel is here. fidel is here. fidel is here. >> people were clear to tell me
that fidel hn'kdied that fidel was still with him. some of the won i spoke to said this was more than just losing a leader. this felt like losing a father or grandfather. i want to read you a little piece, i was translating this morning what was on that plaque, his definition. and he said revolution is unity, it is independence, it is fighting for our dreams of justice for cuba and the world. it is the basis of our patriotism and our socialism. alex? >> morgan, thank you very much for that live report. let's go back to politics and new reaction from the vice president elect on the fallout over the president-elect's phone call, which the president of taiwan. here is what governor pence told chuck todd, when asked if anyone had reached out to china on the heals of the controversial call. >> should we expect a call this week to walk the carwaters? >> i wouldn't expect so, but to be honest with you, waters seem like a little tempest in a tea spot. striking to me that president
obama would reach out to a murdering dictator in cuba and be hailed as a hero and president-elect donald trump takes a courtesy call from the democratically elected president of taiwan and it becomes something of a thing in the media. >> new reaction from trump and the following that heated exchange at harvard. here is what they said about the role the fbi director's letter played in the outcome of the election. this was recorded during a calmer part. >> it is hard to imagine the kind of impact that that letter had. most of the public polling showed a distinct drop. we saw that in our internal numbers. we were expecting to perform better with suburban women in particular. we saw those numbers a lot stronger than what happened on election day. we do think that was because of the comey letter. we saw a lot of young people go to third party candidates, we think the letter had a lot to do with that. >> donald trump turned over 200
counties that went for president obama in 2012 to donald trump in 2016. that's because of messages that connect with people in those areas. not because of a letter late in the game. >> joining me now, mark ginsburg, white house middle east policy adviser. always good to see you. let's get to the president-elect's call with the taiwanese president. some from the gop have praised it, some democrats are critical. is the reaction falling along party lines? and does governor pence have a point about comparing president obama's outreach to a dictator versus trump receiving a call from a democratically elected leader? is that a legit comparison? >> there is a lot of partisanship going into this. and frankly from our viewer's perspective, let's put my diplomatic hat on. this is the -- this is not the president taking this call. this was the president-elect. number two, the new president of china, the republic of china in 2016 ran on a platform of seeking more independence from
china. there had been more or less a status quo with the main land over the last 15 years, sort of a slow absorption of taiwan back in the fold, the renegade province finally having better relations with the main land. but also let's understand that mr. trump during this campaign had singled out china because of the failure of the pivot by the obama administration to china. so we had a lot of challenges, trade currency, trade and currency fluctuation, and manipulation charges. building islands, military outposts on the south china sea, failure to support efforts to try to rein in north korea's nuclear program. a heavy dose of concerns that any administration should have with china. >> john huntsman, former ambassador to china, he had this take on the phone call. take a listen. >> there is a little too much hyperventilating about this one. we ought to be giving them a
little more space. >> do you agree? >> absolutely. i think ambassador huntsman has it completely right. this will not be an easy transition. let's understand it is not. mr. trump made it very clear he wants to hold china accountable for the trade imbalance and the currency manipulations and other issues in the south china sea. we might as well get real. and also let's not forget, alex, that during the last 2 1/2 years, there had been a huge amount of cyberwarfare waged by china against the united states. >> there is a new york times report, it is headlined how trump's calls to world leaders are upsetting decades of diplomacy. it references his calls. why is his approach to these calls generating this reaction. how should the president-elect be approaching his foreign policy and interaction with future leaders at this point? >> i've been through several
tran significa transitions. when you're in the trump tower, and you haven't been inaugurated yet and not also taking all your intelligence briefings and don't have your secretary of state and your professionals around you, it is very easy, i think, to basically use your political instincts rather than having your more trained diplomatic instincts at work here. so in some respects this period between the election and inauguration is posing a bigger dilemma. the president-elect is not waiting for his inauguration for his team to be in place. >> would it be beneficial to name a secretary of state and get that going right now? >> based on your own reporting, it looks like he's probably not going to make this decision for another week or so. so in some respects i don't think that's going to be too much of a problem, but i think the real issue here is wouldn't it be wiser at this point in time for the president-elect to basically wait to have his secretary of state ready and on board as well as to advise him on how basically to manage the
period, this particularly challenging period between the election and inauguration because it is clear foreign leaders want to get to know him and he wants to get to know them. this is a man used to reaching out and having those type of calls and he is upsetting the apple cart, so to speak, of diplomacy. let's understand that there may be ways to mitigate the challenges. >> all right. good to see you. thank you much. dissecting the passions that spilled out in the angry e exchanges. why did it get so ugly? then on am joy, donald trump and his deal with carrier. how much does the government have to pay a company to keep its jobs here at home? answers at the top of the hour.
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just one application gives you superior hold even at the end of the day fixodent. strong more like natural teeth. today, jill stein dropped her bid for a recount in the state of pennsylvania, saying the party cannot afford the million dollar price tag. she's still pursug recounts in michigan and wisconsin and raised $7 million for them.
donald trump filed legal challenges in both states. let's bring in robert trainer, vice president of communication of the bipartisan policy center. and jonathan alter, msnbc political analyst and daily beast columnist, author of the center holds, obama and his enemies. welcome to you both. jonathan, to you first. do you think there is an appetite in the clinton camp to see the recounts through? >> not really. there has been a lot of exaggeration about how involved the clinton people are. all they did was pay a couple of lawyers to go to court to watch the process unfold. they're not spending any money on this. i think there is not any hope in the clinton camp that something will happen. she got five times as many votes. combined she and johnson got, you know, way more votes than a
difference in pennsylvania, which was the desifsive state. if johnson and stein had not been in the race, hillary clinton would be the president-ele president-elect. >> any regret for the clinton team for making the concession call? >> no, i don't think there is a sense this is close enough that this could get turned around. >> if trump believes he won decisively with a mandate, why spend the time and money challenge the recounts? >> i think this is a waste of time. this would be -- if the margins were much closer, talking about five or six or 7,000 votes, then i could perhaps maybe see everyone having a conversation about a recount. but i think mr. trump, rightfully so, says, listen, the american people spoke, they spoke very loudly, very, very convincingly in those three states among -- across other states as well, and let's move
forward, let's figure out how to deal with china and taiwan and cuba. let's figure this out with respect to job outsourcing. i think mr. trump has a good point here, listen, i thought the election was rigged, it wasn't. the american people spoke. it is time to move on here. >> i can jucan i just say somet about that. we agree on the fundamentals that the election is over. for robert to say it was a convincing win was at odds with the facts and not just because hillary clinton received 2.5 million more votes nationwide, she won the popular vote, she won the people overwhelmingly. i think the american public increasingly over the next several months is -- it is going to be made clear to them, the democrats need to make it clear to them that hillary won the people, trump won the election. so for trump to say he has a mandate for radical change in this country is at odds with
what the people have said in this election. >> just a point of clarification, good sides to this coin, i think we're both right, the reality is the last time a republican won, michigan and pennsylvania, in 19888,, th last time i look at the numbers, donald trump won by 70,000 votes in pennsylvania. >> 50,000 now. the new numbers are 50,000. >> last time i checked is that donald trump won those states that have been democratic states. i think what we're saying here is there is two sides of the coin here and we're both right with the facts. >> all right, guys, i want to look at what happened this week. the staffers from both campaigns sat down from that election post mortem at harvard university. it got heated. here is one exchange of trump's campaign manager. >> i can tell you're angry, but, wow. #he's your president. how's that? you know what i was asked a hundred times on tv, they're all here, will he accept the acce
election results? will you tell your protesters -- >> he needs to show me that white prem supremacy is not acceptable. >> a million times you know it. now you're just lying. get out of here. >> are you surprised by this level of anger? it is on public display here. where is it coming from? >> tensions were high, this is the first time in many years i haven't gone to that session at harvard. it is usually very civil between the different campaigns. so, you know, clearly there is a lot of emotion here. i think for kellyanne conway to say that karen finney was lying in referencing steve bannon just steps from the oval office is another lie out of the trump camp because steve bannon said, quote, his organization was a, quote, platform for the alt-right, we now know from the
reporting of a couple of weeks ago the alt-right is a neo-nazi organization, not maybe a neo-nazi, but doing the seig heil s at the rally. you have something that is steps from the oval office who if he's not himself a white supremacist gave a platform to white supremacists and neo-nazis over a considerable period of time. >> do you think the trump camp appealed indirectly or directly to white nationalists and without that may have lost the election? >> well, what an interesting question. i don't think directly. i don't believe that at all. but i will say that there was a lot of dog whistle politics going on here. that's pretty obvious. to jonathan's point, you know, steve bannon is someone that has flirted with this on many different occasions. i am certainly not going to sit here and say anyone is a racist. i can say there is a lot of no. kellyanne conway are dear
friends of mine. to hear this emotion going on is very much a tip of the iceberg with respect to how americans feel about now when it comes to the outcome of this election. >> all right, guys. always good see you both. thank you so much, jonathan and robert. we'll see you again no doubt. >> happy sunday. a fast and loose treatment of political facts and how americans are being faked out coming up next. maas
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new revelations this morning about one of britain's most powerful monarchs. they come in a new biography called "victoria the queen" about queen victoria's rule of more than 60 years and reveals how she struggled like modern women to balance work, women, children and marram. "new york times" review praises the book as overturning stereotypes and she rips this queen down to the studs and creates her anew. victoria is not the woman we expected to meet. joining me now is julia baird, our friend. >> thanks for having me. >> you wrote this article i'm looking at here that appeared in
the "sydney morning herald" and the election and credibility of journalists and how that's been taken down to some degree. what is driving this? >> you know what's of concern to me is, yes, there is a question to be asked about the composition of newsrooms, who is being -- who is reporting the news, if there is -- and there is a noticeable across newsrooms in the uk, u.s., australia, that there is -- there are more liberal-leaning reporters, but what is of concern to me i think is that the very act of journalism itself is seen as partisan, calling into account, you know, the truth to power, fact-checking, almost journalist experts, once that's seen as just necessarily partisan i think we have a real problem. >> what about the reaction to donald trump being elected in australia, what's that were liked in. >> we were gripped, fascinated and covered it more than our own election and everyone is trying to understand what will this mean for the u.s. alliance? do we need to spend more money
on defense? what does it mean for our positioning in asia, and i cannot describe a group of people who have been more obsessed with what's happening in the u.s. >> i want to get to your book because it's one that i cannot wait to get to read. you started this book in the wake of the 2008 election. let's talk about parallels between strong women, hillary clinton in her first attempt to the presidency and queen victoria. do you see parallels in their personalities and the way they approach their lives? >> i do. both of them have an immense stamina. victoria after nine children ruled for more than 60 years, you know, and an entire century is named after her. that robustness that certainly her husband did not have, and, you know, obviously hillary clinton have it. my point of writing the book was to rescue her. i felt like she had been buried in plain sight. everyone thinks they know about queen victoria, but they really think of the black clad widow, grumpy, unamused and i really found this encybilly lively,
entertaining fascinating woman who loved sex and power and had a very complicated relationship with her husband and all of her nine children and who through her life just kept on working through all of hertravails and i really wanted to restore her as a full red-blooded woman. >> she's the person we had to thank for the white wedding dress tradition. >> that's right. >> after nine kids she said i think we need a little bit of help during childbirth, something to help us through this. >> right. >> and you talk about her voracious appetite for sex, loved her husband passionately and know him as a dark-clouded woman after death and you said you had a vignette, a small story. >> one thing, os borne house, the holiday house preserved perfectly now. there is a painting in there and one of the guides said to me and said look really closely, it's the first victoria bought for her husband. and there's a trick in it. three woman lying on the grass in the afternoon.
they have got a parasol above their heads and it's called "the picnic" and if you look really closely at one of the women's heads and her eyes are closed, and underneath her skirt is an extra pair of shoes coming out, and if you look -- if you look -- right, it's not the victoria you think of, and if you look at the skirt there's eats outline of a man's back. that's the victoria we never knew. >> i can't wait to read this book. "victoria, the queen," julia bairksd so excited for me. thanks for coming in. >> thank you. >> that will do it for me this hour. thanks for watching. "a.m. joy" is up next with potential questions and concerns and conflicts of interest with president-elect donald trump.